---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/18/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Robin Marks) 2. 01:23 AM - Re: RV-6A/7A test plan (John Ciolino) 3. 04:24 AM - Re: RV-6A/7A test plan (Dale Ensing) 4. 06:09 AM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Richard Martin) 5. 11:43 AM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Robin Marks) 6. 12:53 PM - Stormy's Fly-In 6/26/10 (Bill Boyd) 7. 02:39 PM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Bruce Gray) 8. 02:39 PM - RV8 Building Question (Jerry Grimmonpre) 9. 04:01 PM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Robin Marks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:48 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=100711999?KEYS=christian_eagle?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=3?SERIAL=00300129883?SHOWBUTTONS=YES *Mark,* * * *Here is how we drilled and attached our canopy (no cracks)!!* * * *1. We heated the garage to about 90 degress 6 hours prior to starting to * *work.* * * *2. We drilled the initial holes with a #40* * * *3. Opened up the #40 hole to the proper size with a Uni-Bit (single flute no * *grabbing!* * * *When we installed the canopy and shirt we use semi-weld (Pro-seal) in * *caulking type tube that premixes it ( you'll need to use/borrow a * *specialized caulking type gun to use the tubed material. We used minimal alu * *pop rivets (mostly as keeper riviets). The semi-weld method is the same as * *used on the Christian Eagles and Pits (without any rivets). You can also * *paint the semi-weld after.* * * *Works and looks great and has some ability to flex (read deal with stress,* * * *Good Building,* * * *Chuck & Dave Rowbotham* *RV-8A (Nianitc, CT)* *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *MLWynn@aol.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:40 PM *To:* rv-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion Hey gents, I am at the same spot. Have been considering sikaflex (how I did the canopy) and 3M 5200. Where in the archives would I find this information? Regards, Michael Wynn RV 8 Finishing San Ramon, CA In a message dated 6/17/2010 10:54:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, crowbotham@hotmail.com writes: Hi Robin, We used the same adhensive that Christian Eagle uses on our 8A. The complete details with product info are in the archives. The RV was hangered in CT and flown on a regular basis through out the year over nine years - No cracks and no change in the seal. Hope this helps - Keep at it - it's really worth the effort! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A (Sold) RV-9A (Dave's building) ------------------------------ From: robin@PaintTheWeb.com Subject: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work? Thanks, Robin * * * * *p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* *ronics.com* *ww.matronics.com/contribution* * * ------------------------------ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. * * * * *====================================* *="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* *====================================* *ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com* *====================================* *tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* *====================================* * * * * * * * * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:42 AM PST US From: "John Ciolino" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-6A/7A test plan Tom, Take a look at Kevin Horton=99s web site: www.kilohotel.com. Click on =9CFlight Test Links=9D in the column on the left, then on =9CTest Plans=9D. Plenty of sample plans to use. John Ciolino RV-8 N894Y From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas sargent Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: RV-List: RV-6A/7A test plan I am starting to work on a test plan which the FAA wants you to have by the time you get an airworthiness certificate. Are there any samples of these of these available on the web anywhere? Does any one have one they would be willing to divulge? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:51 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A/7A test plan Give your local EAA Flight Advisor a call. Find Flight Advisor here http://members.eaa.org/home/lookup/FindFlightAdvisor.asp He can help you with the plan and first flight prep. Dale Ensing EAA FA & TC ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas sargent To: rv-list Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: RV-List: RV-6A/7A test plan I am starting to work on a test plan which the FAA wants you to have by the time you get an airworthiness certificate. Are there any samples of these of these available on the web anywhere? Does any one have one they would be willing to divulge? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion From: Richard Martin robin, 10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started. I procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use ie rivets or adhesive. I used rivets because I did not understand or trust the adhesive process. That was a mistake. No matter how careful you are during the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear from the rivet points. This forced me to stop drill the cracks. I have watched other installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks. I noticed after flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates substantially with weather changes, especially in winter and summer. I live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this experience helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive process. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans > call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets > (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work? > > > Thanks, > > Robin > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:46 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion Thanks Dick, This morning we ordered two ordered two 2 oz. kits of Scotch weld from Spruce. $35 per kit, but I know it's good stuff, we have used it before. I was not going to use rivets. I remember what rivets did to my RV-4 canopy. Nothing will make you cry quicker than seeing your first crack in a perfectly clean canopy. Thanks, Robin *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Martin *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2010 6:06 AM *To:* rv-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion robin, 10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started. I procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use ie rivets or adhesive. I used rivets because I did not understand or trust the adhesive process. That was a mistake. No matter how careful you are during the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear from the rivet points. This forced me to stop drill the cracks. I have watched other installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks. I noticed after flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates substantially with weather changes, especially in winter and summer. I live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this experience helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive process. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robin Marks wrote: It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work? Thanks, Robin * * * * *t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* * * *ttp://forums.matronics.com* *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* * * * * * * * * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:37 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Stormy's Fly-In 6/26/10 From: Bill Boyd As we reach one week from the festivities, I'd like a nose count for food planning purposes. Private e-mail to my gmail address would be fine. Thanks, everyone! Bill & MIriam Boyd 12VA ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:49 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion Over here in the plastic airplane world, the rule is to never drill holes in plexiglass. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion Thanks Dick, This morning we ordered two ordered two 2 oz. kits of Scotch weld from Spruce. $35 per kit, but I know it's good stuff, we have used it before. I was not going to use rivets. I remember what rivets did to my RV-4 canopy. Nothing will make you cry quicker than seeing your first crack in a perfectly clean canopy. Thanks, Robin From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Martin Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 6:06 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion robin, 10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started. I procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use ie rivets or adhesive. I used rivets because I did not understand or trust the adhesive process. That was a mistake. No matter how careful you are during the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear from the rivet points. This forced me to stop drill the cracks. I have watched other installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks. I noticed after flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates substantially with weather changes, especially in winter and summer. I live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this experience helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive process. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robin Marks wrote: It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work? Thanks, Robin t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV -Li =====================< - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> m">http://forums.matronics.com -Matt Dralle, List A; ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:52 PM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: RV-List: RV8 Building Question Dear Listers, My thanks to those who contributed their expertise, experience, and just down to earth tips about how to start building a purchased project. In this case the building manual had missing pages. This list has highly qualified people who love to share their stories. I'm now launching this build in the middle of something I'm confident about. Many thanks fellow builders ... Jerry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:37 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion Unless you want to stop a crack (probably from the hole you drilled in the plexiglass!) Scotch Weld it is, no drilling required. Robin Do Not Archive *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Gray *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2010 1:00 PM *To:* rv-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion *Over here in the plastic airplane world, the rule is to never drill holes in plexiglass.* * * Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2010 1:09 PM *To:* rv-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion Thanks Dick, This morning we ordered two ordered two 2 oz. kits of Scotch weld from Spruce. $35 per kit, but I know it's good stuff, we have used it before. I was not going to use rivets. I remember what rivets did to my RV-4 canopy. Nothing will make you cry quicker than seeing your first crack in a perfectly clean canopy. Thanks, Robin *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Martin *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2010 6:06 AM *To:* rv-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion robin, 10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started. I procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use ie rivets or adhesive. I used rivets because I did not understand or trust the adhesive process. That was a mistake. No matter how careful you are during the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear from the rivet points. This forced me to stop drill the cracks. I have watched other installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks. I noticed after flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates substantially with weather changes, especially in winter and summer. I live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this experience helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive process. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robin Marks wrote: It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work? 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