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1. 04:27 AM - Re: Jacking Point (Rick Galati)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: Lubing The Tail Wheel Fork Bearing... (Dale Ensing)
3. 05:23 AM - Re: Re: Jacking Point (Dale Ensing)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: Jacking Point (Rick Galati)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Jacking Point (Bob)
6. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Jacking Point (David Leonard)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Jacking Point (Kevin Horton)
8. 10:58 AM - tailwheel lube (Frazier, Vincent A)
9. 01:35 PM - Re: tailwheel lube (Linn Walters)
10. 01:37 PM - Fuel Boost Pump (Bruce B. Bell)
11. 01:51 PM - Airventure tickets (cknauf@comcast.net)
12. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Jacking Point (Paul Rice)
13. 04:05 PM - Airventure tickets - SOLD (cknauf@comcast.net)
14. 11:08 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
15. 11:14 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking Point |
Hey Matt,
I use two entirely different methods to jack up my RV-8 and both systems wo
rk very well. The first method uses a commonly available bottle jack from H
arbor Freight. Many builders before me have made their own version of a win
g jack based upon the HF bottle jack and my interpretation-is no exceptio
n. Investing-just a few hours work using off the shelf parts, the Harbor
Freight bottle jack be quickly transformed into a-very useful wing jack.
http://tinyurl.com/7eb5ed
The second method I use is the "Handy Jack."- Using leverage, it too-is
a quick and very easy way to lift an RV8-wheel clear of the floor.
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http://www.rvtraining.com/html/atp//html/products_pics.html#RVJACK
Rick Galati
RV6A N307R
RV-8 N308R
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| Subject: | Re: Lubing The Tail Wheel Fork Bearing... |
Matt,
I suggest you try/use Molykote G-n paste. It is a molybdenum disulfide paste
(much higher moly content than a moly containing grease) that is especially
good for sliding friction and the minimal back and forth movement of the
tail wheel gear. It will stay in place better and reduces the "stick -
slip" you get when using a grease when there is minimal movement of the
shaft in the bushing.
Apply a good film to the bearing, shaft and locking pin with your fingers or
by brush after cleaning the parts.
BTW I use G-n paste on the friction washers and bushing on the front wheel
of my 6A. It does a much better job of allowing a smooth "brake out" of the
front wheel fork when steering yet maintains the necessary brake out force
important to a free swiveling front wheel.
Link to G-n paste
http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/search/products/details.aspx?prod=01889877&type=PROD
There is also a link on this page to find a distributor in your area. It is
available in an 80 gram tube which should be enough for several applications
over the years.
Dale Ensing
RV-6A
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From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
<rv7-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: RV-List: Lubing The Tail Wheel Fork Bearing...
>
>
> How the heck do you lube the bronze bearing on the tailwheel fork short of
> taking the giant nut off. I lubed it up good during initial assembly,
> then at about 40 hours, it started to kind of stick, so I dissembled and
> lubed it again. Now at 70 its doing it again. I foolishly put a Zerk
> fitting in the body of the thing, thinking that next time I could just
> shoot some lube in there. Great idea except that it doesn't work for such
> a tight fit.
>
> Is there some "super lube" you can get that will last forever? I've used
> both graphite wheel bearing grease and Aeroshell #6 grease.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking Point |
Rick,
Did you make any kind of stabilizing frame for the bottle jack or use them
as purchased? Would be interested in pictures or description if you made
stabilizer.
I too have a set of the HF bottle jacks. A "pocket" was created on the top
of the shaft to fit the plastic screw in buttons in the tie down fixtures
( from Van's) Did this with a large counter sink tool. This makes a secure
point at the wing. But, I am always a little concerned about the jack
tipping while jacking or if I bump the airplane while on the jacks - even
with the other wheel chocked.
Dale Ensing
RV-6A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:26 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Jacking Point
Hey Matt,
I use two entirely different methods to jack up my RV-8 and both systems
work very well. The first method uses a commonly available bottle jack from
Harbor Freight. Many builders before me have made their own version of a
wing jack based upon the HF bottle jack and my interpretation is no
exception. Investing just a few hours work using off the shelf parts, the
Harbor Freight bottle jack be quickly transformed into a very useful wing
jack.
http://tinyurl.com/7eb5ed
The second method I use is the "Handy Jack." Using leverage, it too is a
quick and very easy way to lift an RV8 wheel clear of the floor.
http://www.rvtraining.com/html/atp//html/products_pics.html#RVJACK
Rick Galati
RV6A N307R
RV-8 N308R
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking Point |
Dale Ensing wrote:
> Rick,
> Did you make any kind of stabilizing frame for the bottle jack or use them
> as purchased? Would be interested in pictures or description if you made
> stabilizer.
Dale,
I made up the jack in about 4 hours using a 2'X2'X3/4" precut piece of plywood
as its base, two 3-1/2" band clamps and one 10' stick of 1/2" electrical conduit
all purchased from Home Depot. In practice I find the jack to be very stable.
Perhaps it helps that the ball joint I fashioned from a spare tie-down ring
is allowed a small degree of movement within its socket on the jack itself and
that allows the ball to find its own center under load while lifting the wing.
Rick
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303245#303245
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking Point |
I didn't see it mentioned in this thread. Avery makes this:
http://www.averytools.com/p-181-rv-jack-stand.aspx and it's what I used
when changing tires on my RV. After seeing what happens to an airplane
wing when it falls off the jack (no, not me. It was a Bonanza), I
thought this method made a lot of sense and it worked very well.
Bob Skinner
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking Point |
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Bob <Deerlake@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
> I didn't see it mentioned in this thread. Avery makes this:
> http://www.averytools.com/p-181-rv-jack-stand.aspx and it's what I used
> when changing tires on my RV. After seeing what happens to an airplane wing
> when it falls off the jack (no, not me. It was a Bonanza), I thought this
> method made a lot of sense and it worked very well.
>
> Bob Skinner
>
>
But then how do you get the wheel off?
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking Point |
On 2010-07-01, at 10:41 , Bob wrote:
>
> I didn't see it mentioned in this thread. Avery makes this: http://www.averytools.com/p-181-rv-jack-stand.aspx and it's what I used when changing tires on my RV. After seeing what happens to an airplane wing when it falls off the jack (no, not me. It was a Bonanza), I thought this method made a lot of sense and it worked very well.
That won't work in Matt's RV-8, as it doesn't have hollow axles.
--
Kevin Horton
RV-8
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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SNIP >>>>>>>How the heck do you lube the bronze bearing on the tailwheel fork short
of taking the giant nut off. I lubed it up good during initial assembly,
then at about 40 hours, it started to kind of stick, so I dissembled and lubed
it again.
Now at 70 its doing it again. I foolishly put a Zerk fitting in the body of the
thing, thinking that next time I could just shoot some lube in there. Great
idea except that it doesn't work for such a tight fit.
Is there some "super lube" you can get that will last forever? I've used both
graphite wheel bearing grease and Aeroshell #6 grease.
Thanks!
Matt<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<SNIP
Matt et al,
You are spitting in the wind by using the zerk to lube the tailwheel shaft and
locking pin. There is no other way to properly lube it except to disassemble
it.
IMHO, Van put the grease zerk back there to: 1) look good or 2) to positively lock
the bronze bushing in place against any chance of rotation. It danged sure
wasn't put there to effectively grease the system.
Many of you know that we produce a retrofit tailwheel fork for the Van's unit.
It is superior in that it has about double the obstacle clearance and has a shorter
arm for decreased steering forces, a nice thing to have particularly on
the tandem RVs when you've got a heavy pax. If you don't upgrade to one of our
tailwheel forks, do yourself a favor and get one from Doug Bell. Both are
similar in function, but differ in construction.
I have a "tailwheel maintenance" document that you may find useful. I'll gladly
email it to anyone who replies to vfrazier@usi.edu with a note asking for it.
You'll still have to disassemble the tailwheel to properly clean and grease
it occasionally.
Here's a link to our tailwheel products: http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=66&zenid=7p0ddvhbkde4177qjrc2gtdru1
Thanks,
Vince Frazier
Flyboy Accessories
3963 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839
1-888-8FLYBOY
1-888-835-9269
www.flyboyaccessories.com
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel lube |
A little wear and the zerk fitting will do just fine. Patience,
grasshopper(s).
Linn
do not archive
Frazier, Vincent A wrote:
>
> SNIP >>>>>>>How the heck do you lube the bronze bearing on the tailwheel fork
short of taking the giant nut off. I lubed it up good during initial assembly,
then at about 40 hours, it started to kind of stick, so I dissembled and lubed
it again.
> Now at 70 its doing it again. I foolishly put a Zerk fitting in the body of
the thing, thinking that next time I could just shoot some lube in there. Great
> idea except that it doesn't work for such a tight fit.
>
> Is there some "super lube" you can get that will last forever? I've used both
graphite wheel bearing grease and Aeroshell #6 grease.
>
> Thanks!
> Matt<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<SNIP
>
> Matt et al,
>
> You are spitting in the wind by using the zerk to lube the tailwheel shaft and
locking pin. There is no other way to properly lube it except to disassemble
it.
>
> IMHO, Van put the grease zerk back there to: 1) look good or 2) to positively
lock the bronze bushing in place against any chance of rotation. It danged sure
wasn't put there to effectively grease the system.
>
> Many of you know that we produce a retrofit tailwheel fork for the Van's unit.
It is superior in that it has about double the obstacle clearance and has a
shorter arm for decreased steering forces, a nice thing to have particularly
on the tandem RVs when you've got a heavy pax. If you don't upgrade to one of
our tailwheel forks, do yourself a favor and get one from Doug Bell. Both are
similar in function, but differ in construction.
>
> I have a "tailwheel maintenance" document that you may find useful. I'll gladly
email it to anyone who replies to vfrazier@usi.edu with a note asking for it.
You'll still have to disassemble the tailwheel to properly clean and grease
it occasionally.
>
> Here's a link to our tailwheel products: http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=66&zenid=7p0ddvhbkde4177qjrc2gtdru1
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vince Frazier
> Flyboy Accessories
> 3963 Caborn Road
> Mount Vernon, IN 47620
> 812-464-1839
> 1-888-8FLYBOY
> 1-888-835-9269
> www.flyboyaccessories.com
>
>
>
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Hi All,
Thanks to all that responded to my message on the use of electric fuel
pumps. I will continue to use it for purge, start, take off, landing.
switching tanks and use 1000 AGL as a on off point. Thanks again!
Bruce Bell
RV-4 N23BB
Lyc O-320 with AFP injection system
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
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| Subject: | Airventure tickets |
We decided not to attend OSH this year, but not before buying our online ti
ckets. =C2- I have two daily member and spouse tickets that are nonrefund
able but completely transferrable. =C2- I have $92 into them but would pa
rt with them for $50.=C2- Reply to cknauf@comcast.net .
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking Point |
For my RV8=2C I have the handy jack from avery. Works great and nothing is
in the way when taking the wheel off. http://www.averytools.com/p-913-the
-handy-jack-eldorado-aviation.aspx
Paul Rice
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Jacking Point
> From: khorton01@rogers.com
> Date: Thu=2C 1 Jul 2010 12:35:44 -0400
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
>
> On 2010-07-01=2C at 10:41 =2C Bob wrote:
>
> >
> > I didn't see it mentioned in this thread. Avery makes this: http://www.
averytools.com/p-181-rv-jack-stand.aspx and it's what I used when changing
tires on my RV. After seeing what happens to an airplane wing when it falls
off the jack (no=2C not me. It was a Bonanza)=2C I thought this method mad
e a lot of sense and it worked very well.
>
>
> That won't work in Matt's RV-8=2C as it doesn't have hollow axles.
> --
> Kevin Horton
> RV-8
> Ottawa=2C Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Airventure tickets - SOLD |
Tickets are sold.=C2- Thanks for your interest.
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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toward the bottom of the following web page:
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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