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1. 05:46 AM - Re: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts (Joe & Jan Connell)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts (Bob Collins)
3. 10:14 AM - Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration! (Matt Dralle)
4. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration! (Linn Walters)
5. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration! (Les Kearney)
6. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration! (MacDonald Doug)
7. 05:40 PM - Re: positioning right angle AN fittings (j. davis)
8. 06:57 PM - Re: positioning right angle AN fittings (Brian Alley)
9. 06:59 PM - Re: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts ()
10. 07:22 PM - Re: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts (Bob Collins)
11. 07:42 PM - Re: positioning right angle AN fittings (Jerry Springer)
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| Subject: | Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts |
Thanks for the info Bob. I've also gotten several direct responses on
the issue. I'll send pictures when I get the last bolts installed.
I've had to use a mallet to drive the bolts. Knowing this I would have
used a reamer on the center section spar carry-thru before I built up
the fuselage.
I've also learned the two nut plates on the wing spar stubs are
worthless. The is so much resistance on the AN4 bolts that the nut
plates threads are stripped by the time the bolts are secure. A better
solution would have been to use nuts instead. These can be easily
reached by leaving off the wing tanks when the wings are installed.
Thanks again for your ideas and experience...
Joe
Time: 03:53:37 PM PST US
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts
You have to put the nuts in place before the bolts come through. I use a
pair of needle nose vise grips to hold the nut, then as I turned the
bolt,
the vise grips would jam against the weldment. I torqued the bolt rather
than the nut on the bottom row.
_____
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| Subject: | Re: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts |
I don't know if I would make any adjustments to the holes at all. The
close tolerance bolts are supposed to be very tight. I don't believe
Van's would endorse a reamer on the holes at all. I used the rivet gun
set on very low psi to encourage them in. I also put the bolts in the
freezer overnight although I'm not convinced that really does anything.
Another person wiggling the wings doesn't hurt either.
On 8/17/2010 7:41 AM, Joe & Jan Connell wrote:
> Thanks for the info Bob. I've also gotten several direct responses on
> the issue. I'll send pictures when I get the last bolts installed.
> I've had to use a mallet to drive the bolts. Knowing this I would
> have used a reamer on the center section spar carry-thru before I
> built up the fuselage.
> I've also learned the two nut plates on the wing spar stubs are
> worthless. The is so much resistance on the AN4 bolts that the nut
> plates threads are stripped by the time the bolts are secure. A
> better solution would have been to use nuts instead. These can be
> easily reached by leaving off the wing tanks when the wings are installed.
> Thanks again for your ideas and experience...
> Joe
> Time: 03:53:37 PM PST US
> From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net
> <mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts
>
> You have to put the nuts in place before the bolts come through. I use a
> pair of needle nose vise grips to hold the nut, then as I turned the bolt,
> the vise grips would jam against the weldment. I torqued the bolt rather
> than the nut on the bottom row.
>
> _____
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| Subject: | Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration! |
I was thinking about bopping on up North for Homecoming, but haven't decided for
sure yet. I definitely want to get up and show it off! :-) I really wanted
to get it painted before I showed it off too much, but I'm having too much fun
flying it to take it down for 5-6 weeks for paint!
We're planning a trip to Orcus Island in late September. Its about 760 miles from
Livermore to Orcus. If I manage my fuel right, I should be able to do it
on one tank full at altitude. But I don't know if my "tank" will last that long.
4 hours is a long time to be sitting in one place. I'll probably make a
stop alone the way for a stretch, a drain, and a fill. I've been dreaming about
flying an RV to Orcus since we drove there around 2002. Lot's of great B&B's
and a sweet little airport. I'd love to buzz over to Vancouver Island too.
Has anyone had any experience getting into Canada lately in an RV? I think
my passport just expired. Do you need one now?
Matt
At 03:57 PM 8/15/2010 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>That is an exceptional climb rate Matt with your empty weight, but I have never
flown behind a IO-390 either.:) beautiful airplane, whens it coming up North?
>
>Jerry
>
>Matt Dralle wrote:
>>We flew up to Brownsville California on Saturday and since the RV-8 had just
had baby's first bath since the test flight (now at 85 hours TTSN, and almost
10,000 miles), there were some great opportunities for photo ops. Everyday I
seem to enjoy flying the RV-8 even more. It is truly a joy to fly in every respect.
On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP
/ 2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to 18,000ft
(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH, and
202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less reserves.
Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo, its a truly amazing machine!
>>
>>Keep at it! You won't be sorry! It is so worth all the hard work!
>>
>>Matt Dralle
>
>-
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
>http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>Status: 90+ Hours TTSN - Enjoying Every Minute...
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| Subject: | Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration! |
Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> I was thinking about bopping on up North for Homecoming, but haven't decided
for sure yet. I definitely want to get up and show it off! :-) I really wanted
to get it painted before I showed it off too much, but I'm having too much
fun flying it to take it down for 5-6 weeks for paint!
>
That didn't surprise you, did it???
> We're planning a trip to Orcus Island in late September. Its about 760 miles
from Livermore to Orcus. If I manage my fuel right, I should be able to do it
on one tank full at altitude. But I don't know if my "tank" will last that
long. 4 hours is a long time to be sitting in one place.
From my reply on another list about bigger tanks:
It's been my experience that as the pilot ages the planned legs get
shorter too. :-P
I'm a believer that it's the journey that's more important than the
destination. I plan on 2 hour legs ..... depending on fuel prices .....
so I can poke around in T-hangars. I see many surprising things and
talk to so many interesting people along the way. It all depends on the
mission, I guess.
> I'll probably make a stop alone the way for a stretch, a drain, and a fill.
I'm past being in a hurry to get somewhere. There is so much to see
along the way ..... the anomalies in the countryside that folks on the
interstate are blissfully aware of. Memories of a green polka dot in
the middle of a brown desert, huge copper strip mines, and an aquaduct
flowing out of the face of a cliff to meander across the valley .... are
favorites. Always fly with your camera handy.
> I've been dreaming about flying an RV to Orcus since we drove there around
2002. Lot's of great B&B's and a sweet little airport. I'd love to buzz over
to Vancouver Island too. Has anyone had any experience getting into Canada lately
in an RV? I think my passport just expired. Do you need one now?
>
I believe so.
Linn
> Matt
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration! |
Matt
You will need a passport to return to the US. You will also need to master the
intricacies of the US Customs eAPIS system to notify them of departure and return.
Canada Customs. Is a breeze compared to the process used by CBP.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2010-08-17, at 1:08 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was thinking about bopping on up North for Homecoming, but haven't decided
for sure yet. I definitely want to get up and show it off! :-) I really wanted
to get it painted before I showed it off too much, but I'm having too much
fun flying it to take it down for 5-6 weeks for paint!
>
> We're planning a trip to Orcus Island in late September. Its about 760 miles
from Livermore to Orcus. If I manage my fuel right, I should be able to do it
on one tank full at altitude. But I don't know if my "tank" will last that
long. 4 hours is a long time to be sitting in one place. I'll probably make
a stop alone the way for a stretch, a drain, and a fill. I've been dreaming about
flying an RV to Orcus since we drove there around 2002. Lot's of great B&B's
and a sweet little airport. I'd love to buzz over to Vancouver Island too.
Has anyone had any experience getting into Canada lately in an RV? I think
my passport just expired. Do you need one now?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 03:57 PM 8/15/2010 Sunday, you wrote:
>>
>> That is an exceptional climb rate Matt with your empty weight, but I have never
flown behind a IO-390 either.:) beautiful airplane, whens it coming up North?
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Matt Dralle wrote:
>>> We flew up to Brownsville California on Saturday and since the RV-8 had just
had baby's first bath since the test flight (now at 85 hours TTSN, and almost
10,000 miles), there were some great opportunities for photo ops. Everyday
I seem to enjoy flying the RV-8 even more. It is truly a joy to fly in every
respect. On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4"
MP / 2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to 18,000ft
(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH,
and 202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less reserves.
Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo, its a truly amazing machine!
>>>
>>> Keep at it! You won't be sorry! It is so worth all the hard work!
>>>
>>> Matt Dralle
>>
>> -
>> Matt Dralle
>> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
>> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>> Status: 90+ Hours TTSN - Enjoying Every Minute...
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration! |
Matt, you might be able to con your way past Canada Customs to get into Canada
without your passport (but not likely). However, my understanding is that the
US Customs is pretty strict about having a valid one to get back into the US.
Also, be aware of the electronic manifest procedures and the correct flight planning
before trying to cross the border in either direction. My understanding
is that it is not that difficult once you have doen it but neithter government's
customs agents have much of a sense of humor about the rules.
Sweet performance numbers on the new bird though
Doug MacDonald
RV-4 newbie
NW Ontario, Canada
Do Not Archive
> Vancouver Island too. Has anyone had any experience
> getting into Canada lately in an RV? I think my
> passport just expired. Do you need one now?
>
> Matt
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| Subject: | Re: positioning right angle AN fittings |
On 08/16/2010 04:12 AM, StooDDS@aol.com wrote:
> Best way to handle this is to run the male thread of the fitting into
> the appropriate pipe thread die. These are available at the hardware
> store. Screw it in by hand until it is tight, then just a little more.
> Clean the threads and try it. If you use a tap on the female threads,
> the chips are going to fall into the oil cooler-----------
> Stewart Willoughby
> 6,finishing
>
Hmmm, not sure I understand this. These are tapered pipe fittings, are they not?
When
tight, there are still exposed threads. Adding a few more threads with a die wouldn't
change anything, would it?
--
Regards, J.
Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jabiru 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
restoring the Johnston Special
http://cleco.ca
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
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| *NIX consulting, SysAdmin | email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca |
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My uncle's an airline pilot... Kinda makes it difficult
to hold the bottle though.
--- Steven Wright
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| Subject: | Re: positioning right angle AN fittings |
Yes it would. The threads would be cut the full length of the taper, not just more
threads on the uncut end as a straight die would do. This is an excellent
idea and I'll be purchasing dies for my tool box ASAP.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
www.carbonfibercomposites.net
304-562-6800 home
304-395-4932 cell
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
--- On Tue, 8/17/10, j. davis <jd@lawsonimaging.ca> wrote:
> From: j. davis <jd@lawsonimaging.ca>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: positioning right angle AN fittings
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 8:26 PM
> davis" <jd@lawsonimaging.ca>
>
> On 08/16/2010 04:12 AM, StooDDS@aol.com
> wrote:
> > Best way to handle this is to run the male thread of
> the fitting into
> > the appropriate pipe thread die. These are available
> at the hardware
> > store. Screw it in by hand until it is tight, then
> just a little more.
> > Clean the threads and try it. If you use a tap on the
> female threads,
> > the chips are going to fall into the oil
> cooler-----------
> > Stewart Willoughby
> > 6,finishing
> >
> Hmmm, not sure I understand this. These are tapered pipe
> fittings, are they not? When tight, there are still exposed
> threads. Adding a few more threads with a die wouldn't
> change anything, would it?
>
> -- Regards, J.
>
> Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jabiru 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
> restoring the Johnston Special
> http://cleco.ca
>
> +-------------------------------------------------------------+
> | (computer science)
> |
> lawsonimaging.ca |
> +-------------------------------------------------------------+
>
>
> My uncle's an airline pilot... Kinda makes it difficult
> to hold the bottle though.
>
> --- Steven Wright
>
> Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts |
Hope you greased them that will help too.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Collins
To: Joe & Jan Connell
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts
I don't know if I would make any adjustments to the holes at all. The
close tolerance bolts are supposed to be very tight. I don't believe
Van's would endorse a reamer on the holes at all. I used the rivet gun
set on very low psi to encourage them in. I also put the bolts in the
freezer overnight although I'm not convinced that really does anything.
Another person wiggling the wings doesn't hurt either.
On 8/17/2010 7:41 AM, Joe & Jan Connell wrote:
Thanks for the info Bob. I've also gotten several direct responses
on the issue. I'll send pictures when I get the last bolts installed.
I've had to use a mallet to drive the bolts. Knowing this I would have
used a reamer on the center section spar carry-thru before I built up
the fuselage.
I've also learned the two nut plates on the wing spar stubs are
worthless. The is so much resistance on the AN4 bolts that the nut
plates threads are stripped by the time the bolts are secure. A better
solution would have been to use nuts instead. These can be easily
reached by leaving off the wing tanks when the wings are installed.
Thanks again for your ideas and experience...
Joe
Time: 03:53:37 PM PST US
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts
You have to put the nuts in place before the bolts come through. I
use a
pair of needle nose vise grips to hold the nut, then as I turned the
bolt,
the vise grips would jam against the weldment. I torqued the bolt
rather
than the nut on the bottom row.
_____
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| Subject: | Re: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts |
I did. Being careful not to get any on the threads.
do not archive
On 8/17/2010 9:44 PM, av8er2fly@peoplepc.com wrote:
> Hope you greased them that will help too.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bob Collins <mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> *To:* Joe & Jan Connell <mailto:jconnell@fmwildblue.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 6:31 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts
>
> I don't know if I would make any adjustments to the holes at all.
> The close tolerance bolts are supposed to be very tight. I don't
> believe Van's would endorse a reamer on the holes at all. I used
> the rivet gun set on very low psi to encourage them in. I also put
> the bolts in the freezer overnight although I'm not convinced that
> really does anything. Another person wiggling the wings doesn't
> hurt either.
>
> On 8/17/2010 7:41 AM, Joe & Jan Connell wrote:
>> Thanks for the info Bob. I've also gotten several direct
>> responses on the issue. I'll send pictures when I get the last
>> bolts installed. I've had to use a mallet to drive the bolts.
>> Knowing this I would have used a reamer on the center section
>> spar carry-thru before I built up the fuselage.
>> I've also learned the two nut plates on the wing spar stubs are
>> worthless. The is so much resistance on the AN4 bolts that the
>> nut plates threads are stripped by the time the bolts are
>> secure. A better solution would have been to use nuts instead.
>> These can be easily reached by leaving off the wing tanks when
>> the wings are installed.
>> Thanks again for your ideas and experience...
>> Joe
>> Time: 03:53:37 PM PST US
>> From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net
>> <mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>>
>> Subject: RE: RV-List: Wings, final installation, difficult NAS bolts
>>
>> You have to put the nuts in place before the bolts come through.
>> I use a
>> pair of needle nose vise grips to hold the nut, then as I turned
>> the bolt,
>> the vise grips would jam against the weldment. I torqued the bolt
>> rather
>> than the nut on the bottom row.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: positioning right angle AN fittings |
If it was my airplane I would not be cutting on any AN fittings!!!!!!
Jerry
Brian Alley wrote:
>
> Yes it would. The threads would be cut the full length of the taper, not just
more threads on the uncut end as a straight die would do. This is an excellent
idea and I'll be purchasing dies for my tool box ASAP.
>
>
> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
> CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
> 101 Caroline Circle
> Hurricane, WV 25526
> www.carbonfibercomposites.net
> 304-562-6800 home
> 304-395-4932 cell
>
> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>
>
> --- On Tue, 8/17/10, j. davis <jd@lawsonimaging.ca> wrote:
>
>
>> From: j. davis <jd@lawsonimaging.ca>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: positioning right angle AN fittings
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 8:26 PM
>> davis" <jd@lawsonimaging.ca>
>>
>> On 08/16/2010 04:12 AM, StooDDS@aol.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Best way to handle this is to run the male thread of
>>>
>> the fitting into
>>
>>> the appropriate pipe thread die. These are available
>>>
>> at the hardware
>>
>>> store. Screw it in by hand until it is tight, then
>>>
>> just a little more.
>>
>>> Clean the threads and try it. If you use a tap on the
>>>
>> female threads,
>>
>>> the chips are going to fall into the oil
>>>
>> cooler-----------
>>
>>> Stewart Willoughby
>>> 6,finishing
>>>
>>>
>> Hmmm, not sure I understand this. These are tapered pipe
>> fittings, are they not? When tight, there are still exposed
>> threads. Adding a few more threads with a die wouldn't
>> change anything, would it?
>>
>> -- Regards, J.
>>
>> Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jabiru 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
>> restoring the Johnston Special
>> http://cleco.ca
>>
>> +-------------------------------------------------------------+
>> | J. Davis, M.Sc.
>> | (computer science)
>> |
>> | *NIX consulting, SysAdmin | email: jd at
>> lawsonimaging.ca |
>> +-------------------------------------------------------------+
>>
>>
>> My uncle's an airline pilot... Kinda makes it difficult
>> to hold the bottle though.
>>
>> --- Steven Wright
>>
>> Forum -
>> FAQ,
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> List Contribution Web Site -
>> -Matt
>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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