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Matt,
Nobody so far has addressed your original question: is there any real per
formance/economy benefit... From my experiences on two RV-6A's (both O-320
D1A engines) and an RV-7A (IO-360) one P-Mag and one Slick Mag will result
in about a 10% fuel savings. Adding the second P-Mag doesn't add much more
economy. You will also find that starting on a P-Mag Vs a Impulse Mag will
result in quicker starts. As others have pointed out, there is less chance
s of foiled plugs with the P-Mag.
That all being said, I currently have one P-Mag and one slick on the RV-
7A IO-360 setup. I have the P-Mag firing all the lower plugs as they tend t
o foil more often than the top pugs. I'm using the standard "A" curve for t
iming.....
I currently have just over 500 Hrs on the Slick Mag, and will be replaci
ng it with a second P-Mag.......
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N925RV 2008 Hrs (Sold)
RV-6A N926RV 875 Hrs (Sold)
RV-7A N924RV 525 Hrs Flying
Time:
11:01:48 AM PST US
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com<mailto:dralle@matronics.com>>
Subject:
Re: PMag
I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool,
but the web
site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/
economy
benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world experience along th
ese lines?
I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on
a pair of
P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already sta
rts and runs
great. More power and better economy are always welcome, though...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
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Subject: | Re: Need an altimeter |
My altimeter has stopped functioning recently. Just wondering if anyone mig
ht be upgrading and might have a working unit (or know of one available) fo
r a reasonable price
David Wentzell
RV6- N233DW
600 Hrs,- Port St Joe, FL
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- ---1. 11:01 AM - Re: PMag- (Matt Dralle)
- ---2. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: PMag- (Linn Walters)
- ---3. 12:06 PM - FOR SALE- (Robert Murillo)
- ---4. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: PMag- (Ed Anderson)
- ---5. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: PMag- (Panama Red)
- ---6. 02:27 PM - Re: FOR SALE- (Ralph & Maria Finch)
- ---7. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: PMag- (Ed Holyoke)
________________________________- Message 1- __________________________
___________
Time: 11:01:48 AM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: PMag
I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, but
the web
site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/econom
y
benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world experience along these
lines?
I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a pa
ir of
P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 already starts
and runs
great.- More- power and better economy are always welcome, though...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?-
>
>I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the com
peting
LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings?
>
>I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a Mag
neto,
but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions?
>
>Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI syst
ems
would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?---
>
>Konrad
>
>
>On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
>>I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on
some
recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of us
e.
I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder vers
ion.
>>Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but I
would
never run two Light speed either.
>>
>>
>>Robin
>>
>>
>>From: <mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@m
atronics.com [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-
list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@com
cast.net
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>
>>HI Konrad,
>>
>>Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More and m
ore of
them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may
have
worked through those early problems.- I remain somewhat cautious but thin
king
about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net>
>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>Hi Harry,
>>
>>
>>Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething pr
oblems
in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
>>
>>
>>Konrad
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net w
rote:
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and
counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question
comes up that I can help with.
>>
>>BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putti
ng together
group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was interested when I saw it
but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me wh
o it
was and how to get in touch with him,- Thanks.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
________________________________- Message 2- __________________________
___________
Time: 11:45:28 AM PST US
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
Matt.- If it ain't broke ......
$2200- will buy a couple tanks of avgas ....
Linn
On 3/9/2011 1:54 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> -->- RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, bu
t the
web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/ec
onomy
benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world experience along these
lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a
pair of
P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 already starts
and
runs great.- More- power and better economy are always welcome, though.
..
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the c
ompeting
LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings?
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a M
agneto,
but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions?
>>
>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI sy
stems
would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based o
n some
recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of us
e.
I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder vers
ion.
>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but
I would
never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> From:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@
matronics.com [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6
-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@com
cast.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>> HI Konrad,
>>>
>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More and
more
of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they
may
have worked through those early problems.- I remain somewhat cautious but
thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Konrad/Conny"<<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net>
>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
problems
in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
>>>
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM,<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours an
d counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question
comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>> BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about put
ting together
group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was interested when I saw
it but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me
who
it was and how to get in touch with him,- Thanks.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
>
________________________________- Message 3- __________________________
___________
Time: 12:06:09 PM PST US
From: Robert Murillo <murillo1099@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: FOR SALE
Lost My medical:
I have to sell my beautiful RV6A..
A steal at $36,000 FIRM has all the goodies...
Plane at Deland Airport, Florida
Nick picking,, tire kicking, need not apply.. If you have the money and are
serious
about, you got yourself e nice plane....have references
friends pilots, who know my plane and me, for a long time.
beautiful Yellow white and blue trim
150 HP Lyc. total time 100 hrs.
call; 407.878.3491 after 7PM
Bert
- - -
________________________________- Message 4- __________________________
___________
Time: 12:09:33 PM PST US
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
Matt, In addition to many other nice features and factors, one of the
"features" of the Pmag is that the ignition parameters can be changed by th
e
user fairly easily.
That is - such parameters as your maximum rpm limit, maximum ignition
advance permitted, the aggressiveness of your advance curve, etc, can be
changed.- The Pmags come with two pre-set curves and "A" and a "B" curve,
with the "B" curve being a bit more aggressive (by about 5 deg) than the
stock Lycoming ignition advance.
For most- folk this is sufficient, but what some may- not realize is th
at
you can set up your own ignition configurations for your Pmags.
For those with forced induction (turbocharger), the Pmag can be set up to
use an even less aggressive advance curve than the stock Lycoming ignition
set up.
another example, if you fly with high compression pistons, it might be nice
to have an ignition configuration that would retard ignition timing - if yo
u
ever had to use Mogas or low octane fuel.- This would enable you to fly h
ome
without danger of damaging your engine.
Another possibility is for those who like to fly at 17,500 MSL and would
benefit from more ignition advance to gain better fuel economy - could set
up a configuration with great ignition advance to meet those conditions.
And- for those individuals who perhaps like the pylon pattern, a "Race"
ignition configuration might be set up, etc.
The other thing that may be worth considering is the TBO for the Pmags - th
e
last time I checked, I believe at 1400 hours the Emag folks wanted you to
return the unit for a check up.- So for some, this benefit may be worth t
he
cost over time.
Ed
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.eicommander.com
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM
<rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv7-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: PMag
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, bu
t
> the web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real
> performance/economy benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world
> experience along these lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a
> pair of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 alrea
dy
> starts and runs great.- More- power and better economy are always wel
come,
> though...
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>>Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>>I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the
>>competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fue
l
>>savings?
>>
>>I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a
>>Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic
>>ignitions?
>>
>>Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI
>>systems would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?
>>
>>Konrad
>>
>>
>>On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>>I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on
>>>some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in
>>>years of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release th
e
>>>6 cylinder version.
>>>Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but
I
>>>would never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>>Robin
>>>
>>>
>>>From:
>>><mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@matron
ics.com
>>>[mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-serve
r@matronics.com]
>>>On Behalf Of <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>>HI Konrad,
>>>
>>>Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More and
>>>more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks
>>>like they may have worked through those early problems.- I remain
>>>somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and see how it
>>>goes.
>>>
>>>Harry Crosby
>>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net>
>>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>>Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
>>>problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all
?
>>>
>>>
>>>Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and
>>>counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply i
f
>>>a question comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>>BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putt
ing
>>>together group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was interested w
hen
>>>I saw it but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate it if anyone coul
d
>>>tell me who it was and how to get in touch with him,- Thanks.
>>>
>>>Harry Crosby
>>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
>
>
________________________________- Message 5- __________________________
___________
Time: 12:44:00 PM PST US
From: "Panama Red" <panamared505@brier.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
Wait until the slick mags need to be replaced/OH then go for the P-mag.
There are a lots of extra upgrades that you will probably do over the life
of the airplane, you do not have to do all them now!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linn Walters" <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
>
> Matt.- If it ain't broke ......
> $2200- will buy a couple tanks of avgas ....
> Linn
> On 3/9/2011 1:54 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>> -->- RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>>
>> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, b
ut
>> the web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real
>> performance/economy benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world
>> experience along these lines?
>>
>> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a
>> pair of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 alre
ady
>> starts and runs great.- More- power and better economy are always
>> welcome, though...
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
>> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>>
>>
>> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>>
>>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the
>>> competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as
>>> fuel savings?
>>>
>>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a
>>> Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic
>>> ignitions?
>>>
>>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI
>>> systems would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based
>>>> on some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues i
n
>>>> years of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release
>>>> the 6 cylinder version.
>>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags bu
t
>>>> I would never run two Light speed either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server
@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-ser
ver@matronics.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HI Konrad,
>>>>
>>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More an
d
>>>> more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks
>>>> like they may have worked through those early problems.- I remain
>>>> somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and see how it
>>>> goes.
>>>>
>>>> Harry Crosby
>>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Konrad/Conny"<<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net
>
>>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Harry,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
>>>> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it
>>>> all?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Konrad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM,<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours a
nd
>>>> counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply
>>>> if a question comes up that I can help with.
>>>>
>>>> BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
>>>> putting together group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was
>>>> interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate
it
>>>> if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in touch with him,
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Harry Crosby
>>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________- Message 6- __________________________
___________
Time: 02:27:39 PM PST US
From: "Ralph & Maria Finch" <ralphmariafinch@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: FOR SALE
Yes, I am interested. Do you have a website with more information?- I sha
ll
call also.
Ralph Finch
Davis, CA
530-756-7791 home
916-396-7702 cell
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Murillo
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: RV-List: FOR SALE
Lost My medical:
I have to sell my beautiful RV6A..
A steal at $36,000 FIRM has all the goodies...
Plane at Deland Airport, Florida
Nick picking,, tire kicking, need not apply.. If you have the money and are
serious about, you got yourself e nice plane....have references friends
pilots, who know my plane and me, for a long time.
beautiful Yellow white and blue trim
150 HP Lyc. total time 100 hrs.
call; 407.878.3491 after 7PM
Bert
- - -
________________________________- Message 7- __________________________
___________
Time: 08:28:14 PM PST US
From: Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
The principal improvements of EIs over magnetos are a much hotter spark
over a larger plug gap, spark advance as well as more reliability. A
hotter spark will ignite a leaner mixture more reliably. It should start
easier, too. Magnetos stay at the same timing whatever the RPM and
manifold pressure, until the points wear anyway. They were made with no
advance to avoid the possibility of detonation at high power settings.-
EIs advance at lower manifold pressure, where detonation margins are
increased, to gain back some of the lost power that occurs as the flame
front takes longer to make it's way across the bore. This puts the
timing of the maximum cylinder pressure at the proper angle for the
connecting rod to do it's best work. With one EI and one mag and when
the EI is advanced, the magneto fires much later than the EI and much of
the burn is over before the magneto contributes. If I turn mine off at
altitude, it's barely noticeable, if at all. We have a Lightspeed and a
Bendix on an O-320, so you know.
There shouldn't be a problem with mixing brands of EIs. The advance
curves aren't likely to be exactly the same and that probably won't
matter much, especially if the maximum advance is the same for both.
There should be a measurable fuel savings with the use of EIs. I can't
document that as our plane has always been equipped like this. The
Lightspeed has no moving parts which can be a consideration for
reliability. The P-mag will run if electrical power to it is lost.
Here's a link to an article from Sport Aviation that covers some of the
basics of ignition systems:
http://www.lightspeedengineering.com/Technicalities/sport_aviation95.html
I've flown for more than six years behind an EI and I do like it better
than the magneto and trust it more. I've never had a fouled plug on the
EI and the plugs are cheap enough to throw out every year. Can't say the
same for the aviation plugs fired by magneto. I'm not trying to sell one
EI system over another. Do your own research. With any electronic
ignition, you'll get most of the performance/economy boost with the
first one. A second one will add a little, but not as much. One approach
might be to replace one mag with an EI and save the other mag for when
the first one starts acting up. If and when the second one needs
replaced, you'll probably want a second EI.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
On 3/9/2011 10:54 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> -->- RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, bu
t the
web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/ec
onomy
benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world experience along these
lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a
pair of
P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 already starts
and
runs great.- More- power and better economy are always welcome, though.
..
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the c
ompeting
LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings?
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a M
agneto,
but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions?
>>
>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI sy
stems
would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based o
n some
recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of us
e.
I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder vers
ion.
>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but
I would
never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> From:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@
matronics.com [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6
-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@com
cast.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>> HI Konrad,
>>>
>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More and
more
of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they
may
have worked through those early problems.- I remain somewhat cautious but
thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Konrad/Conny"<<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net>
>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
problems
in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
>>>
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM,<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours an
d counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question
comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>> BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about put
ting together
group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was interested when I saw
it but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me
who
it was and how to get in touch with him,- Thanks.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
>
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- ---2. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: PMag- (Linn Walters)
- ---3. 12:06 PM - FOR SALE- (Robert Murillo)
- ---4. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: PMag- (Ed Anderson)
- ---5. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: PMag- (Panama Red)
- ---6. 02:27 PM - Re: FOR SALE- (Ralph & Maria Finch)
- ---7. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: PMag- (Ed Holyoke)
________________________________- Message 1- __________________________
___________
Time: 11:01:48 AM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: PMag
I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, but
the web
site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/econom
y
benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world experience along these
lines?
I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a pa
ir of
P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 already starts
and runs
great.- More- power and better economy are always welcome, though...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?-
>
>I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the com
peting
LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings?
>
>I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a Mag
neto,
but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions?
>
>Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI syst
ems
would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?---
>
>Konrad
>
>
>On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
>>I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on
some
recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of us
e.
I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder vers
ion.
>>Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but I
would
never run two Light speed either.
>>
>>
>>Robin
>>
>>
>>From: <mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@m
atronics.com [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-
list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@com
cast.net
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>
>>HI Konrad,
>>
>>Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More and m
ore of
them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may
have
worked through those early problems.- I remain somewhat cautious but thin
king
about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net>
>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>Hi Harry,
>>
>>
>>Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething pr
oblems
in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
>>
>>
>>Konrad
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net w
rote:
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and
counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question
comes up that I can help with.
>>
>>BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putti
ng together
group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was interested when I saw it
but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me wh
o it
was and how to get in touch with him,- Thanks.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
________________________________- Message 2- __________________________
___________
Time: 11:45:28 AM PST US
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
Matt.- If it ain't broke ......
$2200- will buy a couple tanks of avgas ....
Linn
On 3/9/2011 1:54 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> -->- RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, bu
t the
web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/ec
onomy
benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world experience along these
lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a
pair of
P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 already starts
and
runs great.- More- power and better economy are always welcome, though.
..
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the c
ompeting
LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings?
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a M
agneto,
but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions?
>>
>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI sy
stems
would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based o
n some
recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of us
e.
I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder vers
ion.
>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but
I would
never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> From:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@
matronics.com [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6
-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@com
cast.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>> HI Konrad,
>>>
>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More and
more
of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they
may
have worked through those early problems.- I remain somewhat cautious but
thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Konrad/Conny"<<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net>
>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
problems
in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
>>>
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM,<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours an
d counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question
comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>> BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about put
ting together
group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was interested when I saw
it but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me
who
it was and how to get in touch with him,- Thanks.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
>
________________________________- Message 3- __________________________
___________
Time: 12:06:09 PM PST US
From: Robert Murillo <murillo1099@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: FOR SALE
Lost My medical:
I have to sell my beautiful RV6A..
A steal at $36,000 FIRM has all the goodies...
Plane at Deland Airport, Florida
Nick picking,, tire kicking, need not apply.. If you have the money and are
serious
about, you got yourself e nice plane....have references
friends pilots, who know my plane and me, for a long time.
beautiful Yellow white and blue trim
150 HP Lyc. total time 100 hrs.
call; 407.878.3491 after 7PM
Bert
- - -
________________________________- Message 4- __________________________
___________
Time: 12:09:33 PM PST US
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
Matt, In addition to many other nice features and factors, one of the
"features" of the Pmag is that the ignition parameters can be changed by th
e
user fairly easily.
That is - such parameters as your maximum rpm limit, maximum ignition
advance permitted, the aggressiveness of your advance curve, etc, can be
changed.- The Pmags come with two pre-set curves and "A" and a "B" curve,
with the "B" curve being a bit more aggressive (by about 5 deg) than the
stock Lycoming ignition advance.
For most- folk this is sufficient, but what some may- not realize is th
at
you can set up your own ignition configurations for your Pmags.
For those with forced induction (turbocharger), the Pmag can be set up to
use an even less aggressive advance curve than the stock Lycoming ignition
set up.
another example, if you fly with high compression pistons, it might be nice
to have an ignition configuration that would retard ignition timing - if yo
u
ever had to use Mogas or low octane fuel.- This would enable you to fly h
ome
without danger of damaging your engine.
Another possibility is for those who like to fly at 17,500 MSL and would
benefit from more ignition advance to gain better fuel economy - could set
up a configuration with great ignition advance to meet those conditions.
And- for those individuals who perhaps like the pylon pattern, a "Race"
ignition configuration might be set up, etc.
The other thing that may be worth considering is the TBO for the Pmags - th
e
last time I checked, I believe at 1400 hours the Emag folks wanted you to
return the unit for a check up.- So for some, this benefit may be worth t
he
cost over time.
Ed
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.eicommander.com
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM
<rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv7-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: PMag
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, bu
t
> the web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real
> performance/economy benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world
> experience along these lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a
> pair of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 alrea
dy
> starts and runs great.- More- power and better economy are always wel
come,
> though...
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>>Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>>I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the
>>competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fue
l
>>savings?
>>
>>I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a
>>Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic
>>ignitions?
>>
>>Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI
>>systems would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?
>>
>>Konrad
>>
>>
>>On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>>I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on
>>>some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in
>>>years of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release th
e
>>>6 cylinder version.
>>>Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but
I
>>>would never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>>Robin
>>>
>>>
>>>From:
>>><mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@matron
ics.com
>>>[mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-serve
r@matronics.com]
>>>On Behalf Of <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>>HI Konrad,
>>>
>>>Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More and
>>>more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks
>>>like they may have worked through those early problems.- I remain
>>>somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and see how it
>>>goes.
>>>
>>>Harry Crosby
>>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net>
>>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>>Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
>>>problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all
?
>>>
>>>
>>>Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and
>>>counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply i
f
>>>a question comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>>BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putt
ing
>>>together group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was interested w
hen
>>>I saw it but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate it if anyone coul
d
>>>tell me who it was and how to get in touch with him,- Thanks.
>>>
>>>Harry Crosby
>>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
>
>
________________________________- Message 5- __________________________
___________
Time: 12:44:00 PM PST US
From: "Panama Red" <panamared505@brier.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
Wait until the slick mags need to be replaced/OH then go for the P-mag.
There are a lots of extra upgrades that you will probably do over the life
of the airplane, you do not have to do all them now!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linn Walters" <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
>
> Matt.- If it ain't broke ......
> $2200- will buy a couple tanks of avgas ....
> Linn
> On 3/9/2011 1:54 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>> -->- RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>>
>> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, b
ut
>> the web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real
>> performance/economy benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world
>> experience along these lines?
>>
>> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a
>> pair of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 alre
ady
>> starts and runs great.- More- power and better economy are always
>> welcome, though...
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
>> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>>
>>
>> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>>
>>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the
>>> competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as
>>> fuel savings?
>>>
>>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a
>>> Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic
>>> ignitions?
>>>
>>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI
>>> systems would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based
>>>> on some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues i
n
>>>> years of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release
>>>> the 6 cylinder version.
>>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags bu
t
>>>> I would never run two Light speed either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server
@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-ser
ver@matronics.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HI Konrad,
>>>>
>>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More an
d
>>>> more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks
>>>> like they may have worked through those early problems.- I remain
>>>> somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and see how it
>>>> goes.
>>>>
>>>> Harry Crosby
>>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Konrad/Conny"<<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net
>
>>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Harry,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
>>>> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it
>>>> all?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Konrad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM,<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours a
nd
>>>> counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply
>>>> if a question comes up that I can help with.
>>>>
>>>> BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
>>>> putting together group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was
>>>> interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate
it
>>>> if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in touch with him,
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Harry Crosby
>>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Time: 08:28:14 PM PST US
From: Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: PMag
The principal improvements of EIs over magnetos are a much hotter spark
over a larger plug gap, spark advance as well as more reliability. A
hotter spark will ignite a leaner mixture more reliably. It should start
easier, too. Magnetos stay at the same timing whatever the RPM and
manifold pressure, until the points wear anyway. They were made with no
advance to avoid the possibility of detonation at high power settings.-
EIs advance at lower manifold pressure, where detonation margins are
increased, to gain back some of the lost power that occurs as the flame
front takes longer to make it's way across the bore. This puts the
timing of the maximum cylinder pressure at the proper angle for the
connecting rod to do it's best work. With one EI and one mag and when
the EI is advanced, the magneto fires much later than the EI and much of
the burn is over before the magneto contributes. If I turn mine off at
altitude, it's barely noticeable, if at all. We have a Lightspeed and a
Bendix on an O-320, so you know.
There shouldn't be a problem with mixing brands of EIs. The advance
curves aren't likely to be exactly the same and that probably won't
matter much, especially if the maximum advance is the same for both.
There should be a measurable fuel savings with the use of EIs. I can't
document that as our plane has always been equipped like this. The
Lightspeed has no moving parts which can be a consideration for
reliability. The P-mag will run if electrical power to it is lost.
Here's a link to an article from Sport Aviation that covers some of the
basics of ignition systems:
http://www.lightspeedengineering.com/Technicalities/sport_aviation95.html
I've flown for more than six years behind an EI and I do like it better
than the magneto and trust it more. I've never had a fouled plug on the
EI and the plugs are cheap enough to throw out every year. Can't say the
same for the aviation plugs fired by magneto. I'm not trying to sell one
EI system over another. Do your own research. With any electronic
ignition, you'll get most of the performance/economy boost with the
first one. A second one will add a little, but not as much. One approach
might be to replace one mag with an EI and save the other mag for when
the first one starts acting up. If and when the second one needs
replaced, you'll probably want a second EI.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
On 3/9/2011 10:54 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> -->- RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week.- They look pretty cool, bu
t the
web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/ec
onomy
benefit to them.- Does anyone have any real world experience along these
lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390.- If I dumped $2200 on a
pair of
P-Mags, would I really notice any difference?- The IO-390 already starts
and
runs great.- More- power and better economy are always welcome, though.
..
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011- Wednesday, you wrote:
>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the c
ompeting
LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings?
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a M
agneto,
but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions?
>>
>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI sy
stems
would be mixed on one engine???- Hmm...?
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based o
n some
recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of us
e.
I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder vers
ion.
>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but
I would
never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> From:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@
matronics.com [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6
-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@com
cast.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>> HI Konrad,
>>>
>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have.- More and
more
of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they
may
have worked through those early problems.- I remain somewhat cautious but
thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Konrad/Conny"<<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net>
>>> To:<mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking about P-Mags.- Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
problems
in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
>>>
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM,<mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still here.- My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours an
d counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question
comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>> BTW,- someone recently posted on one of the lists something about put
ting together
group purchases of P-Mags.- I didn't think I was interested when I saw
it but I am rethinking it.- I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me
who
it was and how to get in touch with him,- Thanks.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
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