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1. 05:52 AM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
2. 06:47 AM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (Ed Anderson)
3. 07:26 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/18/11 (cheathco)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/18/11 (Michael Kraus)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (Matt Dralle)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: Carpet Source (Matt Dralle)
7. 10:35 AM - how to delete posting (Robert Murillo)
8. 02:21 PM - RV-8 Insurance... (Charles Brame)
9. 05:59 PM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (HCRV6@comcast.net)
10. 07:06 PM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (n801bh@netzero.com)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
Bobby,
I have Global through NationAir also and my premium goes down every year.
Tom-in-Ohio (RV6-A)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Hester" <bobbyhester@newwavecomm.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:25:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
You need to try NationAir. Mine has always been cheaper through them.
Sent from my Verizon iPhone
On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>
> I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy is
up on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The quotes
from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper than
the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3 times
higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just
hadn't done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently Avemco
doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
>
> Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
I originally insured with AVEMCO with my rotary powered RV-6A back in 1996.
They were not cheap but at least I obtained coverage for my alternative
powered aircraft.
However, as my pilot time and time in make/model increased so did my
premiums - just the opposite of what I would have expected. After a few
years of steady increases in premiums, I switched to SKYSMITH who acquire
coverage from the AIG aviation underwriter (can't recall who it was), my
premiums for the same coverage was approx 1/2 of AVEMCO. Been with Skysmith
for over 5 years and very satisfied with the premiums.
Ed
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com
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From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:53 PM
<rv7-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
>
>
> I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy
> is up on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon).
> The quotes from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in
> $500 cheaper than the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker.
> Avemco's quote was 2.3 times higher than the AOPA's quote! I called
> Avemco to make sure that they just hadn't done something wrong. It was
> right. That's just crazy. Apparently Avemco doesn't really want to write
> Experimental polices.
>
> Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/18/11 |
Yes, avemco quote of 2 years ago thru Eaa was a shocker. I told them they
were WAY above aopa and another. They shot back with how extra good there
policy was. Frankly I dont see how they stay in business, any pilot in my
view would be a fool to go with them. charlie
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1. 06:56 PM - RV-8 Insurance... (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:22 PM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (vanremog)
3. 07:33 PM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (Bobby Hester)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 06:56:16 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy
is up
on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The quotes
from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper
than
the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3
times
higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just
hadn't
done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently Avemco
doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 07:22:18 PM PST US
From: vanremog <vanremog@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
Matt-
You might also want to call Bev Gassen at Chaparral 800-339-5736. I'm on my
second
year with Global (after previously being with those slimy pond scum sucking
dogs AIG beginning in 1998) and my rate actually went down.
-GV (RV-6A Flying 962hrs)
In a message dated 03/18/11 18:57:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
dralle@matronics.com
writes:
I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy
is up
on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The quotes
from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper
than
the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3
times
higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just
hadn't
done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently Avemco
doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 07:33:52 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@newwavecomm.net>
You need to try NationAir. Mine has always been cheaper through them.
Sent from my Verizon iPhone
On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>
> I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy
> is
up on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The
quotes
from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper
than
the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3
times
higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just
hadn't done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently
Avemco
doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
>
> Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/18/11 |
Not to stick up for them, but I think they are high on experimentals, but competitive
on certified planes. At least that is what I found a few years back when
I sold my Cherokee and finished my RV-4....
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2011, at 10:14 AM, "cheathco" <cheathco@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, avemco quote of 2 years ago thru Eaa was a shocker. I told them they
> were WAY above aopa and another. They shot back with how extra good there
> policy was. Frankly I dont see how they stay in business, any pilot in my
> view would be a fool to go with them. charlie
>
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>
> 1. 06:56 PM - RV-8 Insurance... (Matt Dralle)
> 2. 07:22 PM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (vanremog)
> 3. 07:33 PM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (Bobby Hester)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:56:16 PM PST US
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
>
>
>
> I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy
> is up
> on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The quotes
> from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper
> than
> the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3
> times
> higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just
> hadn't
> done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently Avemco
> doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
>
> Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:22:18 PM PST US
> From: vanremog <vanremog@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
>
> Matt-
>
> You might also want to call Bev Gassen at Chaparral 800-339-5736. I'm on my
> second
> year with Global (after previously being with those slimy pond scum sucking
> dogs AIG beginning in 1998) and my rate actually went down.
>
> -GV (RV-6A Flying 962hrs)
>
>
> In a message dated 03/18/11 18:57:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
> dralle@matronics.com
> writes:
>
>
> I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy
> is up
> on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The quotes
> from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper
> than
> the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3
> times
> higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just
> hadn't
> done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently Avemco
> doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
>
> Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:33:52 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
> From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@newwavecomm.net>
>
>
> You need to try NationAir. Mine has always been cheaper through them.
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy
>> is
> up on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The
> quotes
> from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper
> than
> the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3
> times
> higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just
> hadn't done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently
> Avemco
> doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
>>
>> Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Matt Dralle
>> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
>> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
Yeah, you can't beat EAA/Falcon for the first year because they will cover the
Test Flight and the First Ten Hours. Avemco made a point of the fact that they
didn't cover either. Okay, I get that, but a year later and with 153 hours
on the RV-8, 153 hours in my logbook in type, and with no incidents, I would have
expected a significant drop. Falcon only came down $100 from last year.
Avemco when UP by $2k.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
At 03:50 AM 3/19/2011 Saturday, you wrote:
>Matt,
>
>I had a similar experience . . . when I asked the agent she got kind of snippy
with me and told me thats what they needed to cover their expenses? Not when
everyone else can do it for less!
>
>Mines for first flight and in type experience becomes an issue and Avemco had
the most liberal restrictions there follow by EAA. Im waiting on some paperwork
and the airworthiness inspection . . . I believe Im going to go with EAA (Falcon).
>
>Regards,
>Bob Christensen N83RC . . . still waiting!
>
>From: <mailto:dralle@matronics.com>Matt Dralle
>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:53 PM
>To: <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>rv-list@matronics.com ; <mailto:rv8-list@matronics.com>rv8-list@matronics.com ; <mailto:rv7-list@matronics.com>rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 Insurance...
>
>--> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
>I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy is
up on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The quotes
from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper than
the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3 times
higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just hadn't
done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently Avemco
doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
>
>Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
>
>
>-
>Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet Source |
Talk with Luke Doughton luked@classic.aero at Classic Aero. They did the upholstery
and carpet on my RV-8 and I couldn't be more pleased. On the carpet for
the RV-8, I did spend a good deal of time laying out exactly what I wanted on
CAD, printing it on a plotter, adjusting the fit, then updating the CAD, etc.
But when I finished that process, I just emailed the CAD file to Luke, and he
converted it into a carpet that literally fits like a glove. I was very impressed.
Quality of the carpet is excellent and Luke makes sure it is fire treated
as well.
http://www.classic.aero
Best upholstery and carpet available for RV's in my opinion.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
At 07:51 AM 3/19/2011 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>
>Has anyone purchased just a carpet kit for the RV-10? I'm looking for a nice,
drop in kit, something that will cover the tunnel (standard layout) and all floors
including the baggage area. Not just floor mats.
>
>I know I can get carpet from Airtex and do it myself, but I was hoping to find
something alittle more drop in.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks
>-Mike Kraus
-
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| Subject: | how to delete posting |
Hi Martt:
I Posted my rv6a for sale.....It has been sold...
How I do to remove the posting now?
I look everywhere, could not find the how to, I am missing something?
thanks
bert
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| Subject: | RV-8 Insurance... |
Try Nationair. Cheapest I found for my RV-6Ak and its been that way
for five years. Talk to Jenny Estes at 877-475-5860. Avemco quote was
$1,500+ higher for exactly the same coverage.
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
--------------------------------------------
> Time: 06:56:16 PM PST US
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
>
>
> I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current
> policy is up
> on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon).
> The quotes
> from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500
> cheaper than
> the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was
> 2.3 times
> higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that
> they just hadn't
> done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently
> Avemco
> doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
>
> Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
My experience also. I have been with Nationair for14 years and they have always
been the lowest by a substantial amount every year.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Brame" <chasb@satx.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:17:58 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
Try Nationair. Cheapest I found for my RV-6Ak and its been that way for five years.
Talk to Jenny Estes at 877-475-5860. Avemco quote was $1,500+ higher for
exactly the same coverage.
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
--------------------------------------------
Time: 06:56:16 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle < dralle@matronics.com >
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy is up
on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The quotes
from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper than
the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3 times
higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just hadn't
done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently Avemco
doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
I think we all can gain more knowledge by comparing the actual premium p
rice. Anyone care to share the policy limits and yearly premium costs?
do not archive
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From: HCRV6@comcast.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
My experience also. I have been with Nationair for14 years and they hav
e always been the lowest by a substantial amount every year.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Brame" <chasb@satx.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:17:58 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
Try Nationair. Cheapest I found for my RV-6Ak and its been that way for
five years. Talk to Jenny Estes at 877-475-5860. Avemco quote was $1,500
+ higher for exactly the same coverage.
Charlie BrameRV-6A N11CBSan Antonio
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Time: 06:56:16 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current poli
cy is up
on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The qu
otes
from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper
than
the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3
times
higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they ju
st hadn't
done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently Ave
mco
doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
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