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1. 06:10 AM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (Gene Lee)
2. 08:16 AM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (steve)
3. 12:18 PM - Re: Canopy Skirt Buzz... (Matt Dralle)
4. 01:09 PM - max gross weight test (thomas sargent)
5. 02:59 PM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (Matt Dralle)
6. 03:11 PM - Re: RV-8 Insurance... (Bobby Hester)
7. 03:55 PM - Re: max gross weight test (Kyle Boatright)
8. 07:38 PM - Re: max gross weight test (vanremog)
9. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: RV-8 Insurance... (vanremog)
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| Subject: | RV-8 Insurance... |
In the interest of seeing what others pay I'll offer mine.
RV-7a
1st year.
260hr TT, 0 in type, $95k hull = $2,200
2nd year.
420hr TT, 130hr in type, $95k hull = $1,440
Chartis Aerospace Ins.
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
I think we all can gain more knowledge by comparing the actual premium price. Anyone
care to share the policy limits and yearly
premium costs?
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From: HCRV6@comcast.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
My experience also. I have been with Nationair for14 years and they have always
been the lowest by a substantial amount every year.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
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From: "Charles Brame" <chasb@satx.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:17:58 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
Try Nationair. Cheapest I found for my RV-6Ak and its been that way for five years.
Talk to Jenny Estes at 877-475-5860. Avemco
quote was $1,500+ higher for exactly the same coverage.
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...
I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy is up
on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon). The quotes
from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper than
the EAA's this year. But here was the shocker. Avemco's quote was 2.3 times
higher than the AOPA's quote! I called Avemco to make sure that they just hadn't
done something wrong. It was right. That's just crazy. Apparently Avemco
doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.
Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
RV-7 Tail Dragger.=C2-=0A=C2-=0A1st year=0A440hr TT, 0 in type
, $70k hull =C2-= =C2-$2,276 =0A=C2-AOPA (thrua AIG)=0A=C2-=0A2nd
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=C2-=C2- Airpower Insurance=0A(Note:=C2- AOPA (thru AIG)=C2-quoted
$2026.00)=0A=C2-=0AI may only carry liability for 2011.=C2- I'm reading
where lots of guys after the =0Afirst year or two just self-insure their h
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arch 22, 2011 8:05:46 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...=0A=0A=0A
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tronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Insurance...=0ADate: Sun, 20 Mar 2
011 00:56:16 +0000 (UTC)=0AMy experience also.=C2- I have been with Natio
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Skirt Buzz... |
At 10:25 AM 3/22/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
>Matt,
>Did you settle on a material that you preferred for deadening the canopy buzz
[on your RV-8]? We are experiencing the same thing but at a very narrow speed
range. Before we reinvent the wheel I figured I would ask.
>
>Thanks,
>Robin
Hi Robin,
Yes, solved mostly. Here the stuff to get:
http://cshyde.thomasnet.com/viewitems/tapes-with-psa/uhmw-tape--black-anti-stat-rubber-adhesive?forward=1
This is black UHMW table with a rubber adhesive (good to 150F). I got the .020"
stuff.
Its not very bendable sideways, so don't try to get the .5" kind and wrap it around
the s-curve in the back. It definitely won't stick for very long.
Get the 6" wide stuff - Part number <http://cshyde.thomasnet.com/viewitems/tapes-with-psa//item/tapes-with-psa/uhmw-tape--black-anti-stat-rubber-adhesive/anti-stat-uhmw-19-20blk-6-5?>19-20BLK-6-5 (5 yards) or <http://cshyde.thomasnet.com/viewitems/tapes-with-psa//item/tapes-with-psa/uhmw-tape--black-anti-stat-rubber-adhesive/anti-stat-uhmw-19-20blk-6-18?>19-20BLK-6-18 (18 yards) - and lay it flat over the skirt on the inside and then trace the contour. Move it up by about .75" and then trace again. Then cut out the piece which should be a perfect fit around the inside edge of the canopy skirt. I forgot to take any pictures of the process! That's so not like me! :-)
I also used the .5" stuff (<http://cshyde.thomasnet.com/viewitems/tapes-with-psa//item/tapes-with-psa/uhmw-tape--black-anti-stat-rubber-adhesive/anti-stat-uhmw-19-20blk-5-5?>19-20BLK-.5-5) for along the straight left and right side of the skirt. Although, I wish I'd used the .75 stuff.
Seems to dampen the vibration and also doesn't mark the paint/metal due to its
low co-efficient of friction. Its basically the same stuff that Van's sells for
the flaps, but much thicker and black. I also like the high-temp rubber adhesive.
We'll see how it holds up over the Summer.
My only complaint is that I wish they made a .040" thick version.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
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| Subject: | max gross weight test |
I am just about done testing my 6A. I specified a max gross at 1720lbs and
will fly it at that weight in a couple days. (Empty weight was 1076.) I
know some planes have significantly higher max gross weights. So far in my
tests (all solo), weight doesn't seem to change behavior very much.
Fully loaded the CG will be at 74.6" (in the 68.7 - 76.8 range), so it's
still more than 2" forward of the aft limit, although I haven't flown it
that far aft before. I think I've had it no further aft than about 72" or
72.5".
Should I approach the max gross configuration in a few steps or is it
reasonable to just go for it in one flight?
--
Tom Sargent
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
Here's this year's Insurance Quotes along with the coverage details on my RV-8.
Can you guess which one I went with?
$1m/$100k Liability
$5000-$10000 Medical
$0 Deductible
$150k Hull Ground/Air
153 Hours, Aircraft
153 Hours in Type, Pilot
450 Hours Total, Pilot
242 Hours TW, Pilot
Avemco: $5811
EAA/Falcon: $2975 ($3075 last year included Test & 1st 10 hours)
NationAir/Chartis $2888
AOPA/AIG $2475
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
RV-7A unpainted
1st year 2007
0 hrs TT (Hobbs), 5 hrs in type, $70,000 hull = $1702
2nd year 2008
About 150 hrs TT, 135 (Tach) hrs in type, $70,000 hull = $1621
3rd year 2009
About 250 hrs TT, 200 hrs in type, $70,000 hull = $1465
4th year 2010
About 320 hrs TT, 270 hrs in type, $70,000 hull = $1465
5th year 2008 still unpainted :-(
About 400 hrs TT, 320 hrs in type, $70,000 hull = $1297
Global Aerospace though NationAir
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On 3/22/2011 8:05 AM, Gene Lee wrote:
>
> In the interest of seeing what others pay I'll offer mine.
>
> RV-7a
>
> 1^st year...
>
> 260hr TT, 0 in type, $95k hull = $2,200
>
> 2^nd year...
>
> 420hr TT, 130hr in type, $95k hull = $1,440
>
> Chartis Aerospace Ins.
>
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| Subject: | Re: max gross weight test |
Thomas,
I recommend approaching the gross weight and aft CG gradually. IIRC, I
was right in the envelope expansion process about 10 years ago. What I
did was ballast the airplane about 50 lbs at a time to increase the
weight up to gross. Then I adjusted ballast to move the CG rearward in
~1/2" increments. What I found was that the last 75 pounds of weight
and the last inch or two of CG travel were very noticeable.
One thing I would recommend would be to go ahead and test to Van's
published aft CG limit. One day (light fuel, big pax, lotsa luggage,
etc.) you will probably find the airplane near that aft limit. Better
to know test under those conditions (how much trim will you need? How
will the stall behave?), than to experience it for the first time with a
passenger on board.
My $0.02
Kyle Botright
----- Original Message -----
From: thomas sargent
To: rv-list
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:06 PM
Subject: RV-List: max gross weight test
I am just about done testing my 6A. I specified a max gross at
1720lbs and will fly it at that weight in a couple days. (Empty weight
was 1076.) I know some planes have significantly higher max gross
weights. So far in my tests (all solo), weight doesn't seem to change
behavior very much.
Fully loaded the CG will be at 74.6" (in the 68.7 - 76.8 range), so
it's still more than 2" forward of the aft limit, although I haven't
flown it that far aft before. I think I've had it no further aft than
about 72" or 72.5".
Should I approach the max gross configuration in a few steps or is it
reasonable to just go for it in one flight?
--
Tom Sargent
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| Subject: | Re: max gross weight test |
I'll take the obvious cheap shot here (because I can) about taking advice from
a guy who can't even spell his own name, but Kyle is correct about sneaking up
on it. ;o)
I would go further and suggest that you take a big guy with you who can also reposition
the moment arm of the sand bags in the baggage area while you fly the
plane.
-GV
In a message dated 03/22/11 15:56:24 Pacific Daylight Time, kboatright1@comcast.net
writes:
One thing I would recommend would be to go ahead and test to Van's published aft
CG limit. One day (light fuel, big pax, lotsa luggage, etc.) you will probably
find the airplane near that aft limit. Better to know test under those conditions
(how much trim will you need? How will the stall behave?), than to experience
it for the first time with a passenger on board.
My $0.02
Kyle Botright
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
Matt-
Tell me you didn't go with those slimy AIG dudes...
-GV
In a message dated 03/22/11 15:00:30 Pacific Daylight Time, dralle@matronics.com
writes:
Here's this year's Insurance Quotes along with the coverage details on my RV-8.
Can you guess which one I went with?
$1m/$100k Liability
$5000-$10000 Medical
$0 Deductible
$150k Hull Ground/Air
153 Hours, Aircraft
153 Hours in Type, Pilot
450 Hours Total, Pilot
242 Hours TW, Pilot
Avemco: $5811
EAA/Falcon: $2975 ($3075 last year included Test & 1st 10 hours)
NationAir/Chartis $2888
AOPA/AIG $2475
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
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