---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/11/11: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:21 AM - Landing RV-8 (Matt Tucciarone) 2. 05:35 AM - Re: Landing RV-8 (Larry Bowen) 3. 06:20 AM - Re: Landing RV-8 (David Burton) 4. 06:54 AM - Re: Landing RV-8 (Paul Rice) 5. 09:33 AM - Re: Landing RV-8 (Michael Kraus) 6. 10:24 AM - Re: Landing RV-8 (HCRV6@comcast.net) 7. 08:14 PM - Stall warning vane tone generator (Denis Walsh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:52 AM PST US From: "Matt Tucciarone" Subject: RV-List: Landing RV-8 Hi everyone, My name is Matt and I bought an RV-8 last month and am trying to learn how to land it with a local tail wheel instructor. I am just about getting wheel landings (the kind the instructor prefers) but others are telling me I should be doing 3 pointers with this plane. I have 300 hours in a slow Aventura II seaplane and I always landed 3 points. So I asked my instructor if we could just try a 3 pointer in the RV. I did it but did not like the fact that you have a lot less visibility over the nose and I felt a little rough on the tail wheel at my grass strip. Any comments for a newbie? How do most of you land your RV? What are your approach speeds? Touchdown speeds? Thanks, Matt ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Landing RV-8 From: Larry Bowen Most RV-8 pilots, including this one, prefer wheel landings. On Oct 11, 2011 8:22 AM, "Matt Tucciarone" wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > My name is Matt and I bought an RV-8 last month and am trying to learn how > to land it with a local tail wheel instructor. I am just about getting wheel > landings (the kind the instructor prefers) but others are telling me I > should be doing 3 pointers with this plane. I have 300 hours in a slow > Aventura II seaplane and I always landed 3 points. So I asked my instructor > if we could just try a 3 pointer in the RV. I did it but did not like the > fact that you have a lot less visibility over the nose and I felt a little > rough on the tail wheel at my grass strip. > > Any comments for a newbie? How do most of you land your RV? What are your > approach speeds? Touchdown speeds? > > Thanks, > Matt > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:53 AM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Landing RV-8 While I can't give you any advice about landing a tailwheel airplane since 100% of my time is in tricycle gear, here is a pearl of wisdom of the designer of the RV8, Van himself: "I find it difficult to imagine how anyone can consistently land safely without a mastery of low speed control. While this point may be argued, the traditional landing objective is that of contacting the ground at or near minimum air speed. (A survey in the October 2010 issue of Sport Aviation showed a 52/48 percent preference for wheel landings over three-point landing. This would contradict my above statement of the "accepted" preferred landing technique. It could mean that while the textbook dictate is the 3-point landing, user preference is a higher touch down speed "wheel" landing. If so, one explanation could be that most pilots prefer the wheel landing because it is smoother for them, or it could mean that they lack the skills or confidence to do 3-point landings." He goes on to discuss the gear failures experienced by RVs and comments about the thousands of demo flights off the old grass strip at the factory, with no incidents. His point is that pilots tend to land too fast for the conditions. I had the experience of walking! alongside the RV-9A while he was landing once. Amazing. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:52 AM PST US From: Paul Rice Subject: RE: RV-List: Landing RV-8 Hey Matt=2C I have about 300 hours in my RV8=2C and I am a 50/50 guy. Man y people would say that you are in a less risky spot doing a 3 pointer beca use you are going slower at touch down=2C and I can not disagree with that. I'f I want to land short=2C I usually set up for a 3 pointer. And yes=2C you can hit the tailwheel first=2C even more likely if you have a passenge r in the back=2C not a problem if you don't stall it from 5 feet up. If I have plenty of runway=2C I set up for a wheel landing=2C as it is easy to g rease on in that position. Visability over the nose should not be a factor in the -8 in the three pointer=2C unless you are in the back seat of cours e=2C and if you can land it from there well=2C you shouldn't have any prob lem in any tailwheel airplane. PaulRV8Flying Siren > From: m.tucciarone@hotmail.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Landing RV-8 > Date: Tue=2C 11 Oct 2011 08:18:27 -0400 > m> > > Hi everyone=2C > My name is Matt and I bought an RV-8 last month and am trying to learn ho w > to land it with a local tail wheel instructor. I am just about getting wh eel > landings (the kind the instructor prefers) but others are telling me I > should be doing 3 pointers with this plane. I have 300 hours in a slow > Aventura II seaplane and I always landed 3 points. So I asked my instruct or > if we could just try a 3 pointer in the RV. I did it but did not like the > fact that you have a lot less visibility over the nose and I felt a littl e > rough on the tail wheel at my grass strip. > > Any comments for a newbie? How do most of you land your RV? What are your > approach speeds? Touchdown speeds? > > Thanks=2C > Matt > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Landing RV-8 From: Michael Kraus I had an RV-4 for 9 years and 95% of the time I did 3 point landings. I am on a 2155' grass strip. The only time I did wheel landings was when I was carrying too much speed or in gusty/ cross wind conditions when I used less flaps and carried more speed. I'd typically go 90 mph on downwind, 80 mph on base, 70 mph on final, and bleed down to stall speed as I cross the numbers.... Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:18 AM, "Matt Tucciarone" wrote: > > Hi everyone, > My name is Matt and I bought an RV-8 last month and am trying to learn how to land it with a local tail wheel instructor. I am just about getting wheel landings (the kind the instructor prefers) but others are telling me I should be doing 3 pointers with this plane. I have 300 hours in a slow Aventura II seaplane and I always landed 3 points. So I asked my instructor if we could just try a 3 pointer in the RV. I did it but did not like the fact that you have a lot less visibility over the nose and I felt a little rough on the tail wheel at my grass strip. > > Any comments for a newbie? How do most of you land your RV? What are your approach speeds? Touchdown speeds? > > Thanks, > Matt > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:10 AM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Landing RV-8 Can't help wondering what kind of tail wheel instructor you have who prefers wheel landings, seems a bit strange. I have over 880 hours in my RV-6 and 99% of my landings are three point (at least that's what I intended). I did not install the wooden gear leg stiffeners and I find it difficult to do a decent wheel landing without at least one hop. RV-8's may have different landing characteristics vs the RV-6. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 883 hours Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 883 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Tucciarone" Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:18:27 AM Subject: RV-List: Landing RV-8 Hi everyone, My name is Matt and I bought an RV-8 last month and am trying to learn how to land it with a local tail wheel instructor. I am just about getting wheel landings (the kind the instructor prefers) but others are telling me I should be doing 3 pointers with this plane. I have 300 hours in a slow Aventura II seaplane and I always landed 3 points. So I asked my instructor if we could just try a 3 pointer in the RV. I did it but did not like the fact that you have a lot less visibility over the nose and I felt a little rough on the tail wheel at my grass strip. Any comments for a newbie? How do most of you land your RV? What are your approach speeds? Touchdown speeds? Thanks, Matt ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:13 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Stall warning vane tone generator From: Denis Walsh > Listers: I have lost the second sheet of instructions that go with the stall warning kit for the RV 7 etc. If someone has it I need to know the wiring slots call out for the tone generator board. There are four slots. Surely they are power in; vane wire in; ground; and signal out. I just don't know which is which.. If someone knows please give me the order from left to right, with the slots on the bottom.\ Thank you. 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