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Thu 12/22/11


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 02:56 AM - Sweet camera deal (Martin Hone)
     2. 03:46 AM - Re: Sweet HD Aircraft Video Cam (MacDonald Doug)
     3. 10:07 AM - Re: Sweet camera deal (Robin Marks)
     4. 10:26 AM - Re: Sweet camera deal (thomas sargent)
     5. 11:15 AM - Re: Sweet camera deal (Tim Olson)
     6. 01:25 PM - Re: Sweet camera deal (RV4PatA@aol.com)
     7. 01:54 PM - Re: Sweet camera deal (Robin Marks)
     8. 02:32 PM - Re: Sweet camera deal (Tim Olson)
     9. 09:23 PM - Re: Sweet camera deal (bifft@xmission.com)
    10. 09:42 PM - Re: Sweet camera deal (Doug Gray)
    11. 10:43 PM - Sweet camera deal (Robin Marks)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:56:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Sweet camera deal
    From: Martin Hone <aerobiz1@gmail.com>
    Hey Matt, Sorry to rain on your parade, but I reckon you cannot go past the Drift HD170 Stealth at $159.00 Similar specs and comes with remote control..... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/751813-REG/Drift_SHD170_HD170_Stealth_Action_Camera.html Merry Xmas Martin


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    Time: 03:46:44 AM PST US
    From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Sweet HD Aircraft Video Cam
    I have not got much experience with the HD versions of the Data Toys system but I do have their non-HD system.- =0A-=0ATheir claims of picture qua lity (with the older system at least) were complete BS.- I was suckered i nto buying their $600.00 system that was billed as being great for Youtube quality videos.- I clipped it to the mirror of my truck and drove down th e street.- The video was so poor that you could not tell if the trees wer e diciduous or evergreen, they were just green blobs.--Datatoys came ac cross as having great customer service and seemed very willing to work with me and convinced me to step up the their high end system for about-$1500 dollars.- The picture quality was better but now only as good as what I would have expected from the $600 dollar system, essentially low quality yo utube crap.- After sending the whole thing back a couple of times I basic ally gave up until I could discuss things with them at Oshkosh.- I took -one of my-data cards with video on it with me to Oshkosh this year and let them play it on their computer-and was told essentially "what, you're not happy-with that picture quality?- We'd b e happy to sell you more expensive equipment"--=0A-=0AFool me once, s hame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.=0A-=0AI don't recommend Datatoys equipment.- I have since switched to the Contour based N-Flight cam with the aviator lens on it and am much happier with the picture quality.- Da tatoys was a $1500.00 lesson on what NOT to buy.=0A-=0ADoug MacDonald=0AN W Ontario, Canada=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Matt Dra lle <dralle@matronics.com>=0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com; rv10-list@matronics .com; rv8-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:00:19 PM=0ASubject: RV-List: Sweet HD Aircraft Video Cam=0A=0A--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>=0A=0A=0ASome probably have a lready seen this, but I noticed that ACS has it on sale right now for $399 plus an extra 10% off with the check out code "PILOT12".=0A=0AI'd be intere sted to hear any impressions of the system and the actual 1080p video quali ty.=0A=0A- - - - http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/data avhd.php=0A=0ABest,=0A=0A=0A-=0AMatt "Red Dawg" Dralle


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    Time: 10:07:09 AM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Sweet camera deal
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    Time: 10:26:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sweet camera deal
    From: thomas sargent <sarg314@gmail.com>
    Robin: I want to use the HD camera to record instruments in the panel. I have 2 questions: 1) Did you try hanging the Drift from the canopy between the seats looking forward (I have a 6A)? If so, were the instruments readable in the video? 2) What is the field of view of the camera? Is it very wide, comparable to the GoPro's 130 deg. ? Or is it more typical of most cameras - that is - in the 40 - 50 deg. range? I was looking at the Koday Zx3. Only 90$ and has image stabilization. The narrower field with makes it more likely to make instruments readable at HD resolution. On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote : > I own the Drift HD 170 that I got for a good deal at $199 delivered (was > $299 at one point) so that BH deal looks pretty sweet. I settled on this > unit after being disappointed with my HD Point & Shoot which do great for > family video but not so good for action video. I chose this unit > specifically because it has an audio input so I can easily input the comm > audio with the video plus I thought the remote would be really beneficial > for avoiding 80% video you don=99t want to get the place where you want to > film. Unfortunately the remote has a limited range and it is difficult to > know if you are recording remotely unless you get this optional LED light > attachment which then means you have this additional wire hanging out the > back plus an additional cap etc**** > > The camera is larger than you may expect but it does give you a lot of > options for mounting because it has a standard camera thread base. I adde d > the RAM ball to that then use several different RAM mounting devices > depending on where I want the camera positioned. Sorry I no longer have t he > photo of my wing mount. **** > > Overall I am pleased especially for the price. I do plan on buying some > version of the Contour at some point as that also seems like a really nic e > set up. I will use the Drift in the cockpit for the audio and the Contour > mounted externally. I am not a fan of the GoPro form factor but they too > seem to take nice images.**** > > Here is my first attempt at flying with the camera mounted to the end of > my wing. I will correct the constant wobble apparent from this first > attempt. Also note the prop from this angle is distorted. But so is the > pilot.**** > > Oh, one last thing, this video is MUCH better with the music but YouTube > removed the sound due to royalty restrictions so feel free to hum while t he > video is playing.**** > > ** ** > > http://youtu.be/Ku9ASFiNtYA?hd=1**** > > -- Tom Sargent


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    Time: 11:15:42 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Sweet camera deal
    Robin, Funny you should say that between the Drift and Contour... After getting the Contour+, it does a great job but my personal thought was I will buy a drift to go OUTSIDE and leave the Contour+ inside. The Contour+ has audio and GPS and everything, and does a good job inside, plus it has the rotating lens and the ability to get rid of the prop arc. The drift seems more aerodynamically suited for outside, and seems to be a great one for mounting outside with it's built in screw hole. So you're looking at it the exact opposite as I am. The wide field of view makes full-panel recording of instruments almost useless. You'd have to get the camera pretty close. Might work great to record one or two instruments though. Tim On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > I own the Drift HD 170 that I got for a good deal at $199 delivered (was > $299 at one point) so that BH deal looks pretty sweet. I settled on this > unit after being disappointed with my HD Point & Shoot which do great > for family video but not so good for action video. I chose this unit > specifically because it has an audio input so I can easily input the > comm audio with the video plus I thought the remote would be really > beneficial for avoiding 80% video you dont want to get the place where > you want to film. Unfortunately the remote has a limited range and it is > difficult to know if you are recording remotely unless you get this > optional LED light attachment which then means you have this additional > wire hanging out the back plus an additional cap etc > > The camera is larger than you may expect but it does give you a lot of > options for mounting because it has a standard camera thread base. I > added the RAM ball to that then use several different RAM mounting > devices depending on where I want the camera positioned. Sorry I no > longer have the photo of my wing mount. > > Overall I am pleased especially for the price. I do plan on buying some > version of the Contour at some point as that also seems like a really > nice set up. I will use the Drift in the cockpit for the audio and the > Contour mounted externally. I am not a fan of the GoPro form factor but > they too seem to take nice images. > > Here is my first attempt at flying with the camera mounted to the end of > my wing. I will correct the constant wobble apparent from this first > attempt. Also note the prop from this angle is distorted. But so is the > pilot. > > Oh, one last thing, this video is MUCH better with the music but YouTube > removed the sound due to royalty restrictions so feel free to hum while > the video is playing. > > http://youtu.be/Ku9ASFiNtYA?hd=1 > > Robin > > *From:*owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin Hone > *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:53 AM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV-List: Sweet camera deal > > Hey Matt, > > Sorry to rain on your parade, but I reckon you cannot go past the Drift > HD170 Stealth at $159.00 > > Similar specs and comes with remote > control.....http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/751813-REG/Drift_SHD170_HD170_Stealth_Action_Camera.html > > Merry Xmas > > Martin > > * *


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    Time: 01:25:02 PM PST US
    From: RV4PatA@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sweet camera deal
    Here is a video shot with the HD170 mounted to the canopy with a suction mount. Bump it up to HD to watch. The instruments are readable in some ligh t conditions. _http://youtu.be/zA_PqkgTALE_ (http://youtu.be/zA_PqkgTALE) In a message dated 12/22/2011 1:16:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, Tim@MyRV10.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> Robin, Funny you should say that between the Drift and Contour... After getting the Contour+, it does a great job but my personal thought was I will buy a drift to go OUTSIDE and leave the Contour+ inside. The Contour+ has audio and GPS and everything, and does a good job inside, plus it has the rotating lens and the ability to get rid of the prop arc. The drift seems more aerodynamically suited for outside, and seems to be a great one for mounting outside with it's built in screw hole. So you're looking at it the exact opposite as I am. The wide field of view makes full-panel recording of instruments almost useless. You'd have to get the camera pretty close. Might work great to record one or two instruments though. Tim On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > I own the Drift HD 170 that I got for a good deal at $199 delivered (was > $299 at one point) so that BH deal looks pretty sweet. I settled on this > unit after being disappointed with my HD Point & Shoot which do great > for family video but not so good for action video. I chose this unit > specifically because it has an audio input so I can easily input the > comm audio with the video plus I thought the remote would be really > beneficial for avoiding 80% video you don=99t want to get the plac e where > you want to film. Unfortunately the remote has a limited range and it is > difficult to know if you are recording remotely unless you get this > optional LED light attachment which then means you have this additional > wire hanging out the back plus an additional cap etc > > The camera is larger than you may expect but it does give you a lot of > options for mounting because it has a standard camera thread base. I > added the RAM ball to that then use several different RAM mounting > devices depending on where I want the camera positioned. Sorry I no > longer have the photo of my wing mount. > > Overall I am pleased especially for the price. I do plan on buying some > version of the Contour at some point as that also seems like a really > nice set up. I will use the Drift in the cockpit for the audio and the > Contour mounted externally. I am not a fan of the GoPro form factor but > they too seem to take nice images. > > Here is my first attempt at flying with the camera mounted to the end of > my wing. I will correct the constant wobble apparent from this first > attempt. Also note the prop from this angle is distorted. But so is the > pilot. > > Oh, one last thing, this video is MUCH better with the music but YouTube > removed the sound due to royalty restrictions so feel free to hum while > the video is playing. > > http://youtu.be/Ku9ASFiNtYA?hd=1 > > Robin > > *From:*owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin Hone > *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:53 AM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV-List: Sweet camera deal > > Hey Matt, > > Sorry to rain on your parade, but I reckon you cannot go past the Drift > HD170 Stealth at $159.00 > > Similar specs and comes with remote > control.....http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/751813-REG/Drift_SHD170_H D170_Stealth_Action_Camera.html > > Merry Xmas > > Martin > > * *


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    Time: 01:54:25 PM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Re: Sweet camera deal
    The drift in nor aerodynamic when turned sideways. And I didn't know the co ntour had audio. My drift audio is ideal for my 8A set up so that was my th inking. If u want to use my drift for a month or so let me know and then u can use side by side. Robin Sent from my Android Phone Tim Olson wrote: Robin, Funny you should say that between the Drift and Contour... After getting the Contour+, it does a great job but my personal thought was I will buy a drift to go OUTSIDE and leave the Contour+ inside. The Contour+ has audio and GPS and everything, and does a good job inside, plus it has the rotating lens and the ability to get rid of the prop arc. The drift seems more aerodynamically suited for outside, and seems to be a great one for mounting outside with it's built in screw hole. So you're looking at it the exact opposite as I am. The wide field of view makes full-panel recording of instruments almost useless. You'd have to get the camera pretty close. Might work great to record one or two instruments though. Tim On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > I own the Drift HD 170 that I got for a good deal at $199 delivered (was > $299 at one point) so that BH deal looks pretty sweet. I settled on this > unit after being disappointed with my HD Point & Shoot which do great > for family video but not so good for action video. I chose this unit > specifically because it has an audio input so I can easily input the > comm audio with the video plus I thought the remote would be really > beneficial for avoiding 80% video you don=92t want to get the place where > you want to film. Unfortunately the remote has a limited range and it is > difficult to know if you are recording remotely unless you get this > optional LED light attachment which then means you have this additional > wire hanging out the back plus an additional cap etc=85 > > The camera is larger than you may expect but it does give you a lot of > options for mounting because it has a standard camera thread base. I > added the RAM ball to that then use several different RAM mounting > devices depending on where I want the camera positioned. Sorry I no > longer have the photo of my wing mount. > > Overall I am pleased especially for the price. I do plan on buying some > version of the Contour at some point as that also seems like a really > nice set up. I will use the Drift in the cockpit for the audio and the > Contour mounted externally. I am not a fan of the GoPro form factor but > they too seem to take nice images. > > Here is my first attempt at flying with the camera mounted to the end of > my wing. I will correct the constant wobble apparent from this first > attempt. Also note the prop from this angle is distorted. But so is the > pilot. > > Oh, one last thing, this video is MUCH better with the music but YouTube > removed the sound due to royalty restrictions so feel free to hum while > the video is playing.=85 > > http://youtu.be/Ku9ASFiNtYA?hd=1 > > Robin > > *From:*owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin Hone > *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:53 AM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV-List: Sweet camera deal > > Hey Matt, > > Sorry to rain on your parade, but I reckon you cannot go past the Drift > HD170 Stealth at $159.00 > > Similar specs and comes with remote > control.....http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/751813-REG/Drift_SHD170 _HD170_Stealth_Action_Camera.html > > Merry Xmas > > Martin > > * * rsbooks.com> m>


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    Time: 02:32:07 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Sweet camera deal
    Sorry, I should have mentioned EFIS, not just instruments. If you're that far back trying to view an EFIS screen with an HD camera, it just isn't worth doing. In my use, I'd want to be able to video the screen as I fly an approach, for instance...and show the approach on the EFIS with the view out the window. It's just not practical with one camera. In your example, with round gauges, yes, you can make out your altitude and airspeed a bit and see some of those things. Tim do not archive On 12/22/2011 3:20 PM, RV4PatA@aol.com wrote: > Here is a video shot with the HD170 mounted to the canopy with a suction > mount. Bump it up to HD to watch. The instruments are readable in some > light conditions. http://youtu.be/zA_PqkgTALE > In a message dated 12/22/2011 1:16:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, > Tim@MyRV10.com writes: > >


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    Time: 09:23:13 PM PST US
    From: bifft@xmission.com
    Subject: Re: Sweet camera deal
    Quoting thomas sargent <sarg314@gmail.com>: > Robin: > I want to use the HD camera to record instruments in the panel. I have 2 > questions: > > 1) Did you try hanging the Drift from the canopy between the seats looking > forward (I have a 6A)? If so, were the instruments readable in the video? > > 2) What is the field of view of the camera? Is it very wide, comparable to > the GoPro's 130 deg. ? Or is it more typical of most cameras - that is - in > the 40 - 50 deg. range? This isn't in an RV, but in a Starduster Too, with an Drift HD 170 mounted about where the passenger's head would go. Can read the instruments better than in the previously posted RV-4 video, and also they are much easier to read in the video from the camera vs. the youtube compression. http://youtu.be/lmTrlFAMcJs Not an intersting video otherwise, but does show the instruments well. Audio is just engine noise, hadn't gotten the cables to hook it up to the intercom when I took this, then one of the other partners had a prop strike, so haven't had a chance to test that feature yet. Field of view is 170 degrees. I too am hoping to use this to record my test flights in the RV, using the intercom to take notes. Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 Mounting engine 1/4 Starduster Too N23UT Down for maintence.


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    Time: 09:42:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sweet camera deal
    From: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
    Brian, Nice video! I do think you need to do some serious maintenance on the pitot/static system... Doug Gray On 23/12/2011, at 4:18 PM, bifft@xmission.com wrote: > > Quoting thomas sargent <sarg314@gmail.com>: > >> Robin: >> I want to use the HD camera to record instruments in the panel. I have 2 >> questions: >> >> 1) Did you try hanging the Drift from the canopy between the seats looking >> forward (I have a 6A)? If so, were the instruments readable in the video? >> >> 2) What is the field of view of the camera? Is it very wide, comparable to >> the GoPro's 130 deg. ? Or is it more typical of most cameras - that is - in >> the 40 - 50 deg. range? > > This isn't in an RV, but in a Starduster Too, with an Drift HD 170 mounted > about where the passenger's head would go. Can read the instruments better > than in the previously posted RV-4 video, and also they are much easier to > read in the video from the camera vs. the youtube compression. > > http://youtu.be/lmTrlFAMcJs > > Not an intersting video otherwise, but does show the instruments well. > Audio is just engine noise, hadn't gotten the cables to hook it up to the > intercom when I took this, then one of the other partners had a prop strike, > so haven't had a chance to test that feature yet. > > Field of view is 170 degrees. I too am hoping to use this to record > my test flights in the RV, using the intercom to take notes. > > Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) > RV-8A 80091 Mounting engine > 1/4 Starduster Too N23UT Down for maintence. > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:43:40 PM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Sweet camera deal
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