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1. 07:13 AM - Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Ralph E. Capen)
2. 07:27 AM - Fw: Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Kelly McMullen)
3. 07:47 AM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (RV6 Flyer)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Ralph E. Capen)
5. 08:29 AM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Stein Bruch)
7. 12:18 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Denis Walsh)
8. 12:31 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Carl Froehlich)
9. 01:18 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (bigdog@bentwing.com)
10. 01:26 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (n801bh@netzero.com)
11. 01:50 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (RV6 Flyer)
12. 01:50 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Carl Froehlich)
13. 02:01 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Stein Bruch)
14. 03:56 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (William Greenley)
15. 10:41 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Ed Holyoke)
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform
the tests.
Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the logbook
entry.
Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already
built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude
goung to the transponder is correct.
Thoughts please,
Ralph
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static |
certifications
A common misconception. Yes you built your aircraft. That does not make
you a "manufacturer" in the terms of these regulations.
You need the transponder certified by someone with a repair station
license. There is no certification of the pitot system, only the static
system. The only reason the pitot is connected to the test is to protect
your airspeed indicator from an excessive pressure difference with the
static port.
You can leak test your static system if you ever need to open it between
the required certifications, and that is legal, but the certification
must be done by an appropriately rated repair station.
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
On 6/8/2012 6:46 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform
the tests.
>
> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the
logbook entry.
>
> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already
built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the
altitude goung to the transponder is correct.
>
> Thoughts please,
> Ralph
>
>
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Negative.
You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been
approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own
transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you bui
ld a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in acc
ordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA?
Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only m
eans that you are the builder.
Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7)=2C Manufacturer is
listed as N/A.
Gary A. Sobek
A&P / DAR
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C
2=2C780+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA
> Date: Fri=2C 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: avionics-list@matronics.com=3B rv-list@matronics.com=3B aeroelectric-
list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
>
>
> In reading 91.411 and 91.413=2C it says the manufacturer of the airplane
can perform the tests.
>
> Since I built my 6A=2C I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and mak
e the logbook entry.
>
> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have al
ready built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verif
ied the altitude goung to the transponder is correct.
>
> Thoughts please=2C
> Ralph
>
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Subject: | Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Thanks - I figured there would be some weasel-wording in there.
Since I have already done most of the tests, I have a high confidence level in
taking it to a 'certified' shop.
Good scoop!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>Sent: Jun 8, 2012 10:22 AM
>To: avionics-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
>
>--> Avionics-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>
>A common misconception. Yes you built your aircraft. That does not make
>you a "manufacturer" in the terms of these regulations.
>You need the transponder certified by someone with a repair station
>license. There is no certification of the pitot system, only the static
>system. The only reason the pitot is connected to the test is to protect
>your airspeed indicator from an excessive pressure difference with the
>static port.
>You can leak test your static system if you ever need to open it between
>the required certifications, and that is legal, but the certification
>must be done by an appropriately rated repair station.
>Kelly McMullen
>A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
>
>On 6/8/2012 6:46 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>> --> Avionics-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>>
>> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform
the tests.
>>
>> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the
logbook entry.
>>
>> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already
built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the
altitude goung to the transponder is correct.
>>
>> Thoughts please,
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Thanks Gary!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: RV6 Flyer
>Sent: Jun 8, 2012 10:42 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
>
>
>Negative.
>
>You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been approved
as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own transponder
check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you build a TC (Type
Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in accordance with the
design approved in the TC by the FAA?
>
>Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only means
that you are the builder.
>
>Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is listed
as N/A.
>
>Gary A. Sobek
>A&P / DAR
>"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
>2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400
>> From: recapen@earthlink.net
>> To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
>>
>>
>> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform
the tests.
>>
>> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the
logbook entry.
>>
>> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already
built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the
altitude goung to the transponder is correct.
>>
>> Thoughts =======================
>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a "Mfgr"
in the eyes of the FAA.
Not only that, but your "test equipment" must be calibrated to certain
approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It's also
not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the
transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range
variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak
output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it's a Mode S, you have to
add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call,
squitter output for ES, and more.
It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only
about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular
part of the plane.
Just my 2 cents as usual,
Stein
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
Negative.
You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been
approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own
transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you
build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in
accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA?
Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only
means that you are the builder.
Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is
listed as N/A.
Gary A. Sobek
A&P / DAR
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com;
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
>
>
> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can
perform the tests.
>
> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make
the logbook entry.
>
> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have
already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and
verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct.
>
> Thoughts =======================
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Excellent input, Stein! You are a valuable asset to this list.
I would like to add another non-technical, non regulatory view:
I have never witnessed or even heard of anyone being cited for not
having a transponder check by the FAA. I have never seen it asked for
on an Airworthiness inspection. I could say the same for the ELT and
for several other critical things.
So if you are looking for something to "get away with", this is a good
candidate.
I, like Stein, consider it penny wise to skip this check. I add further
that it is stupid and unsafe. In today's flying environment both FAA
controllers and many many of our fellow aviators rely immensely on the
transponder output to keep traffic separated!!
So wake up guys!! Even though you only see a blinking light once in a
while, the accurate operation of your transponder is critical to your
safety and to all those with in collision distance.
Denis Walsh
denis.walsh@comcast.net
On 8Jun, 2012, at 9:57 , Stein Bruch wrote:
> Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a
=93Mfgr=94 in the eyes of the FAA.
>
> Not only that, but your =93test equipment=94 must be calibrated to
certain approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration.
It=92s also not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout
in the transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/-
range variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver
sensitivity, peak output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it=92s
a Mode S, you have to add in the Diversity test, the reply address,
uplink formats, all call, squitter output for ES, and more.
>
> It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and
only about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this
particular part of the plane.
>
> Just my 2 cents as usual,
>
> Stein
>
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they
both passed right off the bat.
Carl
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a "Mfgr"
in the eyes of the FAA.
Not only that, but your "test equipment" must be calibrated to certain
approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It's also
not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the
transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range
variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak
output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it's a Mode S, you have to
add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call,
squitter output for ES, and more.
It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only
about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular
part of the plane.
Just my 2 cents as usual,
Stein
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
Negative.
You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been
approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own
transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you
build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in
accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA?
Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only
means that you are the builder.
Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is
listed as N/A.
Gary A. Sobek
A&P / DAR
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com;
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
>
>
> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can
perform the tests.
>
> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make
the logbook entry.
>
> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have
already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and
verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct.
>
> Thoughts =======================
>
>
>
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
I heard prices around here of $275-$350. On further checking I found that's
for an IFR certification. The VFR check is ~$90. I think the big differenc
e is for the altimeter check.
Regards,
Greg Young
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they bo
th passed right off the bat.
Carl
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
I had the transponder in my experimental checked last fall... We wait
to get several other planes needing an inspection done and schedule the
mobile avionics guy from Idaho Falls to travel over and do them all in o
ne day.. Transponder check was 95.00. Static Pitot test was 30.00...
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certification
s
I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they
both passed right off the bat.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:
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Carl
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certification
s
Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a =93
Mfgr=94 in the eyes of the FAA.
Not only that, but your =93test equipment=94 must be calibrated to certa
in approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It=92
s also not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the
transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range vari
ation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak out
put power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it=92s a Mode S, you have
to add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all cal
l, squitter output for ES, and more.
It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only
about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particu
lar part of the plane.
Just my 2 cents as usual,
Stein
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certification
s
Negative.
You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has b
een approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do thei
r own transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Di
d you build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to
build in accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA?
Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it onl
y means that you are the builder.
Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is
listed as N/A.
Gary A. Sobek
A&P / DAR
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-l
ist@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
>
>
>
> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane
can perform the tests.
>
> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and ma
ke the logbook entry.
>
> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have
already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and
verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct.
>
> Thoughts =====================
==
>
>
>
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Good point - I had IFR checks done.
Carl
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bigdog@bentwing.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
I heard prices around here of $275-$350. On further checking I found that's
for an IFR certification. The VFR check is ~$90. I think the big difference
is for the altimeter check.
Regards,
Greg Young
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they
both passed right off the bat.
Carl
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Then you got royally taken.nobody I've ever heard of charges $325 for a VFR
transponder check - even at the expensive airports! $325 is reasonable for
an IFR check, but NOT a VFR Check - which is what the reference point is.
Cheers,
Stein
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they
both passed right off the bat.
Carl
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a "Mfgr"
in the eyes of the FAA.
Not only that, but your "test equipment" must be calibrated to certain
approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It's also
not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the
transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range
variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak
output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it's a Mode S, you have to
add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call,
squitter output for ES, and more.
It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only
about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular
part of the plane.
Just my 2 cents as usual,
Stein
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
Negative.
You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been
approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own
transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you
build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in
accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA?
Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only
means that you are the builder.
Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is
listed as N/A.
Gary A. Sobek
A&P / DAR
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com;
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
>
>
> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can
perform the tests.
>
> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make
the logbook entry.
>
> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have
already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and
verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct.
>
> Thoughts =======================
>
>
>
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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Locally I just paid $175 for an IFR cert.
Bill Greenley
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
Then you got royally taken.nobody I've ever heard of charges $325 for a VFR
transponder check - even at the expensive airports! $325 is reasonable for
an IFR check, but NOT a VFR Check - which is what the reference point is.
Cheers,
Stein
Do not archive
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they
both passed right off the bat.
Carl
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a "Mfgr"
in the eyes of the FAA.
Not only that, but your "test equipment" must be calibrated to certain
approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It's also
not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the
transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range
variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak
output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it's a Mode S, you have to
add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call,
squitter output for ES, and more.
It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only
about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular
part of the plane.
Just my 2 cents as usual,
Stein
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
Negative.
You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been
approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own
transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you
build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in
accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA?
Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only
means that you are the builder.
Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is
listed as N/A.
Gary A. Sobek
A&P / DAR
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com;
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications
>
>
> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can
perform the tests.
>
> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make
the logbook entry.
>
> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have
already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and
verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct.
>
> Thoughts =======================
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
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Subject: | Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Are you saying that they require you to produce your logbooks?
Ed
On 6/8/2012 1:50 PM, RV6 Flyer wrote:
> IF you have a card for formation flight and are flying in wavered
> airspace at an airshow, you will be checked for transponder and ELT
> Checks. ELT check should be logged. Check 91.207(d) for what needs
> checked and recorded for you ELT.
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2012, at 12:26 PM, "Denis Walsh" <denis.walsh@comcast.net
> <mailto:denis.walsh@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>> Excellent input, Stein! You are a valuable asset to this list.
>>
>> I would like to add another non-technical, non regulatory view:
>>
>> I have never witnessed or even heard of anyone being cited for not
>> having a transponder check by the FAA. I have never seen it asked
>> for on an Airworthiness inspection. I could say the same for the ELT
>> and for several other critical things.
>>
>> So if you are looking for something to "get away with", this is a
>> good candidate.
>>
>> I, like Stein, consider it penny wise to skip this check. I add
>> further that it is stupid and unsafe. In today's flying environment
>> both FAA controllers and many many of our fellow aviators rely
>> immensely on the transponder output to keep traffic separated!!
>>
>> So wake up guys!! Even though you only see a blinking light once in a
>> while, the accurate operation of your transponder is critical to your
>> safety and to all those with in collision distance.
>>
>>
>> Denis Walsh
>> denis.walsh@comcast.net <mailto:denis.walsh@comcast.net>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8Jun, 2012, at 9:57 , Stein Bruch wrote:
>>
>>> Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a
>>> Mfgr in the eyes of the FAA.
>>> Not only that, but your test equipment must be calibrated to
>>> certain approved standards and be certified as currently in
>>> calibration. Its also not as simple as verifying the codes and
>>> altitude readout in the transponder. You have to test the output
>>> frequency and a +/- range variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression
>>> system, receiver sensitivity, peak output power, altitude readout,
>>> codes, etc.. If its a Mode S, you have to add in the Diversity
>>> test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call, squitter output
>>> for ES, and more.
>>> It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and
>>> only about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this
>>> particular part of the plane.
>>> Just my 2 cents as usual,
>>> Stein
>>
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