---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/08/12: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:13 AM - Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Ralph E. Capen) 2. 07:27 AM - Fw: Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Kelly McMullen) 3. 07:47 AM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (RV6 Flyer) 4. 07:48 AM - Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Ralph E. Capen) 5. 08:29 AM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Ralph E. Capen) 6. 09:01 AM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Stein Bruch) 7. 12:18 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Denis Walsh) 8. 12:31 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Carl Froehlich) 9. 01:18 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (bigdog@bentwing.com) 10. 01:26 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (n801bh@netzero.com) 11. 01:50 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (RV6 Flyer) 12. 01:50 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Carl Froehlich) 13. 02:01 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Stein Bruch) 14. 03:56 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (William Greenley) 15. 10:41 PM - Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications (Ed Holyoke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:28 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the logbook entry. Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. Thoughts please, Ralph ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:47 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: RV-List: Fwd: Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications A common misconception. Yes you built your aircraft. That does not make you a "manufacturer" in the terms of these regulations. You need the transponder certified by someone with a repair station license. There is no certification of the pitot system, only the static system. The only reason the pitot is connected to the test is to protect your airspeed indicator from an excessive pressure difference with the static port. You can leak test your static system if you ever need to open it between the required certifications, and that is legal, but the certification must be done by an appropriately rated repair station. Kelly McMullen A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor On 6/8/2012 6:46 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: > --> Avionics-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > > In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. > > Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the logbook entry. > > Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. > > Thoughts please, > Ralph > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:45 AM PST US From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Negative. You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you bui ld a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in acc ordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA? Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only m eans that you are the builder. Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7)=2C Manufacturer is listed as N/A. Gary A. Sobek A&P / DAR "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C780+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA > Date: Fri=2C 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400 > From: recapen@earthlink.net > To: avionics-list@matronics.com=3B rv-list@matronics.com=3B aeroelectric- list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications > > > In reading 91.411 and 91.413=2C it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. > > Since I built my 6A=2C I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and mak e the logbook entry. > > Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have al ready built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verif ied the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. > > Thoughts please=2C > Ralph > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:19 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Thanks - I figured there would be some weasel-wording in there. Since I have already done most of the tests, I have a high confidence level in taking it to a 'certified' shop. Good scoop! -----Original Message----- >From: Kelly McMullen >Sent: Jun 8, 2012 10:22 AM >To: avionics-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications > >--> Avionics-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > >A common misconception. Yes you built your aircraft. That does not make >you a "manufacturer" in the terms of these regulations. >You need the transponder certified by someone with a repair station >license. There is no certification of the pitot system, only the static >system. The only reason the pitot is connected to the test is to protect >your airspeed indicator from an excessive pressure difference with the >static port. >You can leak test your static system if you ever need to open it between >the required certifications, and that is legal, but the certification >must be done by an appropriately rated repair station. >Kelly McMullen >A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor > >On 6/8/2012 6:46 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: >> --> Avionics-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" >> >> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. >> >> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the logbook entry. >> >> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. >> >> Thoughts please, >> Ralph >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:30 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Thanks Gary! >-----Original Message----- >From: RV6 Flyer >Sent: Jun 8, 2012 10:42 AM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications > > >Negative. > >You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA? > >Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only means that you are the builder. > >Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is listed as N/A. > >Gary A. Sobek >A&P / DAR >"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, >2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA > > >> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400 >> From: recapen@earthlink.net >> To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications >> >> >> In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. >> >> Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the logbook entry. >> >> Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. >> >> Thoughts ======================= >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:24 AM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a "Mfgr" in the eyes of the FAA. Not only that, but your "test equipment" must be calibrated to certain approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It's also not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it's a Mode S, you have to add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call, squitter output for ES, and more. It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular part of the plane. Just my 2 cents as usual, Stein From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Negative. You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA? Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only means that you are the builder. Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is listed as N/A. Gary A. Sobek A&P / DAR "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400 > From: recapen@earthlink.net > To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications > > > In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. > > Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the logbook entry. > > Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. > > Thoughts ======================= > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications From: Denis Walsh Excellent input, Stein! You are a valuable asset to this list. I would like to add another non-technical, non regulatory view: I have never witnessed or even heard of anyone being cited for not having a transponder check by the FAA. I have never seen it asked for on an Airworthiness inspection. I could say the same for the ELT and for several other critical things. So if you are looking for something to "get away with", this is a good candidate. I, like Stein, consider it penny wise to skip this check. I add further that it is stupid and unsafe. In today's flying environment both FAA controllers and many many of our fellow aviators rely immensely on the transponder output to keep traffic separated!! So wake up guys!! Even though you only see a blinking light once in a while, the accurate operation of your transponder is critical to your safety and to all those with in collision distance. Denis Walsh denis.walsh@comcast.net On 8Jun, 2012, at 9:57 , Stein Bruch wrote: > Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a =93Mfgr=94 in the eyes of the FAA. > > Not only that, but your =93test equipment=94 must be calibrated to certain approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It=92s also not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it=92s a Mode S, you have to add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call, squitter output for ES, and more. > > It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular part of the plane. > > Just my 2 cents as usual, > > Stein > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:30 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they both passed right off the bat. Carl From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:58 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a "Mfgr" in the eyes of the FAA. Not only that, but your "test equipment" must be calibrated to certain approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It's also not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it's a Mode S, you have to add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call, squitter output for ES, and more. It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular part of the plane. Just my 2 cents as usual, Stein From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Negative. You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA? Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only means that you are the builder. Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is listed as N/A. Gary A. Sobek A&P / DAR "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400 > From: recapen@earthlink.net > To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications > > > In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. > > Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the logbook entry. > > Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. > > Thoughts ======================= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:56 PM PST US From: "bigdog@bentwing.com" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications I heard prices around here of $275-$350. On further checking I found that's for an IFR certification. The VFR check is ~$90. I think the big differenc e is for the altimeter check. Regards, Greg Young From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they bo th passed right off the bat. Carl ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:47 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications I had the transponder in my experimental checked last fall... We wait to get several other planes needing an inspection done and schedule the mobile avionics guy from Idaho Falls to travel over and do them all in o ne day.. Transponder check was 95.00. Static Pitot test was 30.00... Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certification s I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they both passed right off the bat. Carl From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:58 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certification s Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a =93 Mfgr=94 in the eyes of the FAA. Not only that, but your =93test equipment=94 must be calibrated to certa in approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It=92 s also not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range vari ation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak out put power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it=92s a Mode S, you have to add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all cal l, squitter output for ES, and more. It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particu lar part of the plane. Just my 2 cents as usual, Stein From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certification s Negative. You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has b een approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do thei r own transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Di d you build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA? Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it onl y means that you are the builder. Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is listed as N/A. Gary A. Sobek A&P / DAR "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400 > From: recapen@earthlink.net > To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-l ist@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications > > > > In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. > > Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and ma ke the logbook entry. > > Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. > > Thoughts ===================== == > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.co m http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contrib ======================== ======================== ======================== 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________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:44 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Good point - I had IFR checks done. Carl From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bigdog@bentwing.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 4:18 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications I heard prices around here of $275-$350. On further checking I found that's for an IFR certification. The VFR check is ~$90. I think the big difference is for the altimeter check. Regards, Greg Young From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they both passed right off the bat. Carl ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:50 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Then you got royally taken.nobody I've ever heard of charges $325 for a VFR transponder check - even at the expensive airports! $325 is reasonable for an IFR check, but NOT a VFR Check - which is what the reference point is. Cheers, Stein Do not archive From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they both passed right off the bat. Carl From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:58 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a "Mfgr" in the eyes of the FAA. Not only that, but your "test equipment" must be calibrated to certain approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It's also not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it's a Mode S, you have to add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call, squitter output for ES, and more. It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular part of the plane. Just my 2 cents as usual, Stein From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Negative. You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA? Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only means that you are the builder. Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is listed as N/A. Gary A. Sobek A&P / DAR "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400 > From: recapen@earthlink.net > To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications > > > In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. > > Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the logbook entry. > > Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. > > Thoughts ======================= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:58 PM PST US From: "William Greenley" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Locally I just paid $175 for an IFR cert. Bill Greenley From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Then you got royally taken.nobody I've ever heard of charges $325 for a VFR transponder check - even at the expensive airports! $325 is reasonable for an IFR check, but NOT a VFR Check - which is what the reference point is. Cheers, Stein Do not archive From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications I wish it was $75-$125. I just shelled out $650 for two planes and they both passed right off the bat. Carl From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:58 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a "Mfgr" in the eyes of the FAA. Not only that, but your "test equipment" must be calibrated to certain approved standards and be certified as currently in calibration. It's also not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude readout in the transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- range variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak output power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it's a Mode S, you have to add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call, squitter output for ES, and more. It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular part of the plane. Just my 2 cents as usual, Stein From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Negative. You must use a certified repair station. Only a Manufacturer that has been approved as a Production Facility by the FAA will be able to do their own transponder check if they were authorized by the FAA to do it. Did you build a TC (Type Certificated) aircraft in a facility approved to build in accordance with the design approved in the TC by the FAA? Manufacturer on your Registration (8050-3) may have your name but it only means that you are the builder. Note on your Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), Manufacturer is listed as N/A. Gary A. Sobek A&P / DAR "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,780+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:46:52 -0400 > From: recapen@earthlink.net > To: avionics-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications > > > In reading 91.411 and 91.413, it says the manufacturer of the airplane can perform the tests. > > Since I built my 6A, I'm thinking that I cando the tests myself and make the logbook entry. > > Testing the transponder codes might be the difficult part - but I have already built the test equipment and tested the Pitot-static system and verified the altitude goung to the transponder is correct. > > Thoughts ======================= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:46 PM PST US From: Ed Holyoke Subject: Re: RV-List: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications Are you saying that they require you to produce your logbooks? Ed On 6/8/2012 1:50 PM, RV6 Flyer wrote: > IF you have a card for formation flight and are flying in wavered > airspace at an airshow, you will be checked for transponder and ELT > Checks. ELT check should be logged. Check 91.207(d) for what needs > checked and recorded for you ELT. > > Gary > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 12:26 PM, "Denis Walsh" > wrote: > >> Excellent input, Stein! You are a valuable asset to this list. >> >> I would like to add another non-technical, non regulatory view: >> >> I have never witnessed or even heard of anyone being cited for not >> having a transponder check by the FAA. I have never seen it asked >> for on an Airworthiness inspection. I could say the same for the ELT >> and for several other critical things. >> >> So if you are looking for something to "get away with", this is a >> good candidate. >> >> I, like Stein, consider it penny wise to skip this check. I add >> further that it is stupid and unsafe. In today's flying environment >> both FAA controllers and many many of our fellow aviators rely >> immensely on the transponder output to keep traffic separated!! >> >> So wake up guys!! Even though you only see a blinking light once in a >> while, the accurate operation of your transponder is critical to your >> safety and to all those with in collision distance. >> >> >> Denis Walsh >> denis.walsh@comcast.net >> >> >> >> On 8Jun, 2012, at 9:57 , Stein Bruch wrote: >> >>> Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a >>> Mfgr in the eyes of the FAA. >>> Not only that, but your test equipment must be calibrated to >>> certain approved standards and be certified as currently in >>> calibration. Its also not as simple as verifying the codes and >>> altitude readout in the transponder. You have to test the output >>> frequency and a +/- range variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression >>> system, receiver sensitivity, peak output power, altitude readout, >>> codes, etc.. If its a Mode S, you have to add in the Diversity >>> test, the reply address, uplink formats, all call, squitter output >>> for ES, and more. >>> It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and >>> only about 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this >>> particular part of the plane. >>> Just my 2 cents as usual, >>> Stein >> >> * >> >> >> * > ~,gM4Gqz.'8ER&j)EK j',.+- > 5h,x zfb+bz.r.+-R*m > !y:0ZwEhy!!i0fr(Z(Tm > 'ojj+ERM $NEC&z > j(lVj^Yfr(mfr(*'gJ+^8L+i1m)j|-&j',rr&*'i0fr((nb{nrfl== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.