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Subject: | Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
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Subject: | Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
I don't know that it's worth "trying to get away with" anything these days, a
nd having a transponder be INOP in any way could cause you many headaches. A
s you probably already heard, the FAA is now on both our backs and ATC's too
, to report all infractions even minor. They're even being heavy handed to a
degree. You miss some radio calls while flying under ATC control, you're b
usted, your Mode C stops working, you're busted. You drift on assigned alti
tude a little and now they aren't ALLOWED to give you the leeway and just ch
ew you out and grumble until you move out of their sector...or say "say alti
tude" as a clue. These days, if you're flying in the system or controlling i
t, you're being watched and if you mess up even a little you may have some r
eal 'splainin' to do and it can cost you hassles or suspensions. So I guess
I'd rather get the check and KNoW my transponder and altimeter pass. I'll t
ag below my post, two from the Lancair list recently. They had a couple of i
nteresting incidents that showed the new kinder FAA's attitude.
see below, Tim
Wish I were dealing with such a compassionate FAA office. I've been communi
cating for 4 weeks with ORL FAA regarding a lost comm episode in my 360. I w
as IFR and lost comm (IFR flight, maintained clearance, route, altitude, etc
.). When I realized the radio had gone quiet I started calling for radio ch
ecks and using comm 2. Consulted charts, reached the next controller (on Co
mm 1) and resumed normal flight (ending with instrument approach into my hom
e airport).
FAA is all worked up because of 23 minutes of lost comm. I recognize it's n
ot a short amount of time, but they are indicating they will take administra
tive action. I'm frustrated because I feel like I did everything right. 23
minutes of lost comm was probably 15 to 18 minutes of silence before I star
ted trying radio checks and consulting the charts.
The next week I flew the same route and timed every gap of "silence". It wa
s the Sunday that Sun-N-Fun let out and I still had 13 minutes of silence wi
th one controller (this was in FL). But the ORL FAA inspector is very worke
d up that my lost comm was over 20 minutes So BEWARE and make sure
your radios have good reception!
And I'm still not sure why I lost comm. The reception has never been great i
n my little bird (internal antennas), but the only reasonable explanation is
that my wife, who often uses the volume control on the headset cord so she c
an take a little cat-nap, accidentally adjusted my volume to zero, then adju
sted it back up after we were out of ATC's transmitter range. She could hav
e confused the two controls (they both are tucked into the center armrest).
So beware of the possible risks. The FAA may or may not be compassionate.
Matt
e.net>Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:52 AMTo: Lancair List <lml@lancaironli
ne.net>
Subject: [LML] ensure your transponder works
Dear subscribers
Last week I flew from my home airport in Ohio to the Linden Airport
(KLDJ - about 10 miles south of Newark). I flew into this airport IFR
before and I recall the controller asking me if I could finish my flight
VFR because of all the traffic in this area. This time I decided not to
bother anybody and go VFR from the start since the weather was fine.
I had a Garmin 320 transponder and the amber light was happily flashing
all the way to New York. What I did not know was that the transponder
failed and was not sending out a signal....
When I landed the airport stuff came up immediately and told me to call
NY FAA. They filed then a Mode C violation and told me not to move the
plane without permission.
After I hung up with them I got a call from our front desk at my home
airport. Homeland security called them while I was still in the air and
asked about this airplane that departed from this airport. Fortunately
the girl knew me and gave them the right answers. I got a weather
briefing before I left. I don't know if this helped. I haven't heard
from Homeland Security so far...
When I wanted to move the 4P away from the fuel pump my starter died. I
had to stay the night and order a new starter overnight. The folks from
the Linden airport let me use their hangar because of my emergency
situation for free. Tom Madden from AOG aircraft services helped me with
ordering the starter, flew my transponder to another airport for bench
check, found me a used Garmin 327 transponder replacement, worked with
me on the installation of the starter, let me use all his tools and
charged me in the end 600$ !!! - what a positive experience in this
whole mess!!
After explaining the FAA that the old transponder failed and I had a
replacement in place I got permission to leave Linden the next day. The
new transponder works and everybody can see me again. The FAA indicated
that since I have a work order for testing the old transponder (Tom
Madden's recommendation) they will drop my charges.
I would have never guessed that you can get yourself in so much trouble
by just flying VFR.....
Ralf
On Jun 8, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net> wrote:
> Excellent input, Stein! You are a valuable asset to this list.
>
> I would like to add another non-technical, non regulatory view:
>
> I have never witnessed or even heard of anyone being cited for not having a
transponder check by the FAA. I have never seen it asked for on an Airwort
hiness inspection. I could say the same for the ELT and for several other c
ritical things.
>
> So if you are looking for something to "get away with", this is a good can
didate.
>
> I, like Stein, consider it penny wise to skip this check. I add further t
hat it is stupid and unsafe. In today's flying environment both FAA control
lers and many many of our fellow aviators rely immensely on the transponder o
utput to keep traffic separated!!
>
> So wake up guys!! Even though you only see a blinking light once in a whil
e, the accurate operation of your transponder is critical to your safety and
to all those with in collision distance.
>
>
> Denis Walsh
> denis.walsh@comcast.net
>
>
>
> On 8Jun, 2012, at 9:57 , Stein Bruch wrote:
>
>> Gary is correct in the fact that unless you have a TC, you are not a
=9CMfgr=9D in the eyes of the FAA.
>>
>> Not only that, but your =9Ctest equipment=9D must be calibrat
ed to certain approved standards and be certified as currently in calibratio
n. It=99s also not as simple as verifying the codes and altitude read
out in the transponder. You have to test the output frequency and a +/- ran
ge variation (+/- 3mHz), the suppression system, receiver sensitivity, peak o
utput power, altitude readout, codes, etc.. If it=99s a Mode S, you h
ave to add in the Diversity test, the reply address, uplink formats, all cal
l, squitter output for ES, and more.
>>
>> It typically only costs $75-$125 to have it done the right way (and only a
bout 15 minutes of time), so no reason to be pennywise on this particular pa
rt of the plane.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents as usual,
>>
>> Stein
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Bi-ennial transponder/encoder/static certifications |
Even with the proper checks, transponders seem to be a source of no end
of grief. Flew a trip last fall, all VFR, but went through SLC Class B
with clearance, after they had much trouble getting correct code to
display. (apparently it was showing with 1200 code instead of assigned
code). So on my way back I first called SLC center and they had no
problem with my transponder. On hand off to SLC approach they had same
issue as before. I learned they have a brand new radar installation,
which may explain why it saw something different from the Center's long
range radar. As soon as I got home, had transponder checked. (yes it was
in its first year after a certification). Sure enough, some portion of
the transponder had drifted a little out of alignment, got it fixed and
recertified. (and filed the work order in case I got any inquiry).
I know our local FAAST Team is bracing for a bunch of referrals to deal
with minor infractions. I can't see ATC or FSDO living with this policy
too long, because of the increased workload.
On 6/9/2012 6:22 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
> I don't know that it's worth "trying to get away with" anything these
> days, and having a transponder be INOP in any way could cause you many
> headaches. As you probably already heard, the FAA is now on both our
> backs and ATC's too, to report all infractions even minor. They're
> even being heavy handed to a degree. You miss some radio calls while
> flying under ATC control, you're busted, your Mode C stops working,
> you're busted. You drift on assigned altitude a little and now they
> aren't ALLOWED to give you the leeway and just chew you out and
> grumble until you move out of their sector...or say "say altitude" as
> a clue. These days, if you're flying in the system or controlling it,
> you're being watched and if you mess up even a little you may have
> some real 'splainin' to do and it can cost you hassles or suspensions.
> So I guess I'd rather get the check and KNoW my transponder and
> altimeter pass. I'll tag below my post, two from the Lancair list
> recently. They had a couple of interesting incidents that showed the
> new kinder FAA's attitude.
>
> see below, Tim
>
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