---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/08/12: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:53 AM - Re: screen in sump? (Ralph E. Capen) 2. 05:57 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/07/12 (John Schmidt) 3. 06:09 AM - Re: screen in sump? (Carl Froehlich) 4. 06:34 AM - Re: screen in sump? (Kelly McMullen) 5. 08:07 AM - Waiver for another pilot flying my plane () 6. 08:09 AM - Re: screen in sump? (Dan Bergeron) 7. 08:23 AM - Re: Waiver for another pilot flying my plane (JohnF) 8. 08:59 AM - Re:RV-list: screen in sump? (MLE) 9. 09:18 AM - Re: screen in sump? (Valovich, Paul) 10. 10:54 AM - Re: Waiver for another pilot flying my plane (David Burton) 11. 02:53 PM - Re: screen in sump? (Ralph E. Capen) 12. 09:13 PM - Re: screen in sump? (thomas sargent) 13. 09:20 PM - pitot system leaks (thomas sargent) 14. 09:47 PM - Re: pitot system leaks (n801bh@netzero.com) 15. 11:17 PM - Re: pitot system leaks (vanremog@aol.com) 16. 11:22 PM - Re: pitot system leaks (vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:11 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RE: RV-List: screen in sump? Tom, When you do find it (other post had a good description), remember to replace the crush gasket, I buy oil filters, crush gaskets and Oil analysis kits in matching batches =93 usually 6-pack as the oil filters come that way at a discount. If you still can=99t find it let me know and I=99ll get a picture for you Ralph From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas sargent Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 2:14 AM Subject: RV-List: screen in sump? The checklist I am using for my annual inspections says "remove, clean, inspect oil suction screen in sump". Where in an Lyc. O-360 is the oil suction sump? I have an oil filter on the engine, so don't confuse this with the engine oil screen. There is no oil screen in the engine because that was replaced with the oil filter. Is there another screen in the sump and if so how do I get to it? Thanks, -- Tom Sargent ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:27 AM PST US From: John Schmidt Subject: RV-List: RE: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/07/12 Tom: A guy from Lycoming showed up to our EAA chapter 25 meeting a few months ag o=2C and described the screen in the sump. He said that an incredible numbe r of homebuilders are ignoring this screen=2C to the detriment of the life of their engines. You are wise to ask. I found this through a simple Google search. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/archive/index.php?t-29848.html Look at Page 6-2=2C part number 14=2C Screen=2C Oil Suction http://www.expaircraft.com/PDF/IPC.pdf best=2C John Schmidt St. Paul=2C MN RV6 N218PJ (the Forever Project). EAA 2 50021 > > 1. 11:14 PM - screen in sump? (thomas sargent) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 ____________________________ _________ > > > Time: 11:14:23 PM PST US > Subject: RV-List: screen in sump? > From: thomas sargent > > The checklist I am using for my annual inspections says "remove=2C clean =2C > inspect oil suction screen in sump". Where in an Lyc. O-360 is the oil > suction sump? I have an oil filter on the engine=2C so don't confuse thi s > with the engine oil screen. There is no oil screen in the engine because > that was replaced with the oil filter. Is there another screen in the su mp > and if so how do I get to it? > > Thanks=2C > > -- > Tom Sargent > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:36 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV-List: screen in sump? Ralph, What size is the crush gasket? I=99m putting an Aircraft Spruce order together and I may as well get some now. Thanks, Carl From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: screen in sump? Tom, When you do find it (other post had a good description), remember to replace the crush gasket, I buy oil filters, crush gaskets and Oil analysis kits in matching batches =93 usually 6-pack as the oil filters come that way at a discount. If you still can=99t find it let me know and I=99ll get a picture for you Ralph From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas sargent Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 2:14 AM Subject: RV-List: screen in sump? The checklist I am using for my annual inspections says "remove, clean, inspect oil suction screen in sump". Where in an Lyc. O-360 is the oil suction sump? I have an oil filter on the engine, so don't confuse this with the engine oil screen. There is no oil screen in the engine because that was replaced with the oil filter. Is there another screen in the sump and if so how do I get to it? Thanks, -- Tom Sargent http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:44 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: screen in sump? From the referenced thread, "STD-111 Gasket, 1 in ID x 1 1/4 in ID x 3/32 Annular. I believe it might also have an AN 900 number... A whole 58 cents from AERO.....:) http://www.aeroinstock.com/products/GASKET/5598/48371/product_detail/index.html ..also cross references to a MS35769-21 on the AERO site.... But, if it's 1.00 inch ID (and the plug has a 1.0 diam thread) then the correct cross-reference is MS35769-16 or the older AN900-16 number - and is a whole 39 cents from Aircraft Spruce." On 7/8/2012 6:09 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > Ralph, > > What size is the crush gasket? Im putting an Aircraft Spruce order > together and I may as well get some now. > > Thanks, > Carl > > *From:*owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ralph E. Capen > *Sent:* Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:54 AM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV-List: screen in sump? > > Tom, > > When you do find it (other post had a good description), remember to > replace the crush gasket, I buy oil filters, crush gaskets and Oil > analysis kits in matching batches usually 6-pack as the oil filters > come that way at a discount. > > If you still cant find it let me know and Ill get a picture for you > > Ralph > > *From:*owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *thomas sargent > *Sent:* Sunday, July 08, 2012 2:14 AM > *To:* rv-list > *Subject:* RV-List: screen in sump? > > The checklist I am using for my annual inspections says "remove, > clean, inspect oil suction screen in sump". Where in an Lyc. O-360 is > the oil suction sump? I have an oil filter on the engine, so don't > confuse this with the engine oil screen. There is no oil screen in > the engine because that was replaced with the oil filter. Is there > another screen in the sump and if so how do I get to it? > > Thanks, > > -- > Tom Sargent > > * * > * * > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > * * > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * * > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > * * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:54 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Waiver for another pilot flying my plane Gentlemen: My RV-A is nearly ready for its first flight. I cannot medically fly the plane and another pilot(s) will be flying off the 40 hours. Do any of you have a waiver for other pilots to sign when they fly your RV? My wife and I are nervous about this... Thanks... Joe Connell Stewartville, MN ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: screen in sump? From: Dan Bergeron Tom: On a Lyc 360 it's a metal, reuseable, "finger" filter - accessed by removing a hex-head cap (the filter will come out with the cap) on the back of the engine, right side and down low - not the easiest thing to get at and difficult to safety wire when reinstalling - helps to temporarily remove SCAT tubing connecting the right side heat muff to the heater box - clean it with solvent - be careful puttting it back in - it's easily crushed if you don't fully seat it before tightening the cap. Hope this helps! Cheers, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 320 hours since 1st flight on 8/4/09 On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > From the referenced thread, > "STD-111 Gasket, 1 in ID x 1 1/4 in ID x 3/32 Annular. > > I believe it might also have an AN 900 number... > > A whole 58 cents from AERO.....:) > > http://www.aeroinstock.com/**products/GASKET/5598/48371/** > product_detail/index.html > > ..also cross references to a MS35769-21 on the AERO site.... > > But, if it's 1.00 inch ID (and the plug has a 1.0 diam thread) then the > correct cross-reference is MS35769-16 or the older AN900-16 number - and is > a whole 39 cents from Aircraft Spruce." > > > On 7/8/2012 6:09 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > >> >> Ralph, >> >> What size is the crush gasket? I=92m putting an Aircraft Spruce order >> together and I may as well get some now. >> >> Thanks, >> Carl >> >> *From:*owner-rv-list-server@**matronics.com[mailto: >> owner-rv-list-server@**matronics.com ] >> *On Behalf Of *Ralph E. Capen >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:54 AM >> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* RE: RV-List: screen in sump? >> >> >> Tom, >> >> When you do find it (other post had a good description), remember to >> replace the crush gasket, I buy oil filters, crush gaskets and Oil >> analysis kits in matching batches ' usually 6-pack as the oil filters come >> that way at a discount. >> >> If you still can=92t find it let me know and I=92ll get a picture for yo u=85 >> >> Ralph >> >> *From:*owner-rv-list-server@**matronics.com> owner-rv-list-server@**matronics.com > >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@**matronics.com] >> *On Behalf Of *thomas sargent >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 08, 2012 2:14 AM >> *To:* rv-list >> *Subject:* RV-List: screen in sump? >> >> >> The checklist I am using for my annual inspections says "remove, clean, >> inspect oil suction screen in sump". Where in an Lyc. O-360 is the oil >> suction sump? I have an oil filter on the engine, so don't confuse this >> with the engine oil screen. There is no oil screen in the engine becaus e >> that was replaced with the oil filter. Is there another screen in the s ump >> and if so how do I get to it? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Tom Sargent >> >> * * >> * * >> * * >> *http://www.matronics.com/**Navigator?RV-List* >> * * >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> * * >> *http://www.matronics.com/**contribution* >> * * >> * * >> * * >> * * >> ** >> ** >> ** >> ** >> ** >> *http://www.matronics.com/**Navigator?RV-List* >> ** >> ** >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> ** >> ** >> ** >> ** >> *http://www.matronics.com/**contribution* >> ** >> * * >> * >> >> >> * >> > > =====**=================== ===========**= nics.com/Navigator?RV-List> =====**=================== ===========**= =====**=================== ===========**= com/contribution> =====**=================== ===========**= > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:52 AM PST US From: "JohnF" Subject: Re: RV-List: Waiver for another pilot flying my plane Go to the AOPA web site...they have as fairly good one that you can download. ----- Original Message ----- From: jconnell@fmwildblue.com To: RV-List Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:04 AM Subject: RV-List: Waiver for another pilot flying my plane Gentlemen: My RV-A is nearly ready for its first flight. I cannot medically fly the plane and another pilot(s) will be flying off the 40 hours. Do any of you have a waiver for other pilots to sign when they fly your RV? My wife and I are nervous about this... Thanks... Joe Connell Stewartville, MN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:44 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re:RV-list: screen in sump? From: MLE Tom, On my 0-360 A1A there is a screen on the bottom rear of the sump, held in by a bolt that is safety tied to the case. Behind that bolt is a finger screen. This is not to be confused with the oil filter. Marty in Brentwood TN Time: 11:14:23 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: screen in sump? From: thomas sargent The checklist I am using for my annual inspections says "remove, clean, inspect oil suction screen in sump". Where in an Lyc. O-360 is the oil suction sump? I have an oil filter on the engine, so don't confuse this with the engine oil screen. There is no oil screen in the engine because that was replaced with the oil filter. Is there another screen in the sump and if so how do I get to it? Thanks, -- Tom Sargent ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:43 AM PST US From: "Valovich, Paul" Subject: Re: RV-List: screen in sump? On my IO-360 facing forward it's the safety wired cap on the right side of the sump. Getting to it and re-safety wiring it is a PITA. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:23 AM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Waiver for another pilot flying my plane It's common to add another pilot on to your insurance policy. Talk with your agent about it, or contact Sky Smith for some help making this decision: http://skysmith.com/ From: JohnF Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 8:22 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Waiver for another pilot flying my plane Go to the AOPA web site...they have as fairly good one that you can download. ----- Original Message ----- From: jconnell@fmwildblue.com To: RV-List Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:04 AM Subject: RV-List: Waiver for another pilot flying my plane Gentlemen: My RV-A is nearly ready for its first flight. I cannot medically fly the plane and another pilot(s) will be flying off the 40 hours. Do any of you have a waiver for other pilots to sign when they fly your RV? My wife and I are nervous about this... Thanks... Joe Connell Stewartville, MN href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RE: RV-List: screen in sump? AN900-16 AN GASKETS MS35769-21 Is what I ordered... From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:09 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: screen in sump? Ralph, What size is the crush gasket? I=99m putting an Aircraft Spruce order together and I may as well get some now. Thanks, Carl From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: screen in sump? Tom, When you do find it (other post had a good description), remember to replace the crush gasket, I buy oil filters, crush gaskets and Oil analysis kits in matching batches =93 usually 6-pack as the oil filters come that way at a discount. If you still can=99t find it let me know and I=99ll get a picture for you Ralph From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas sargent Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 2:14 AM Subject: RV-List: screen in sump? The checklist I am using for my annual inspections says "remove, clean, inspect oil suction screen in sump". Where in an Lyc. O-360 is the oil suction sump? I have an oil filter on the engine, so don't confuse this with the engine oil screen. There is no oil screen in the engine because that was replaced with the oil filter. Is there another screen in the sump and if so how do I get to it? Thanks, -- Tom Sargent http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: screen in sump? From: thomas sargent Thanks for the responses. I ordered the lyc. parts manual. -- Tom Sargent ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:16 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: pitot system leaks From: thomas sargent I tested the pitot system (using the water in a U-shaped tube method) in my RV-6A today and found it leaking fairly badly. Tightening up the various fittings helped. I'm always afraid of over-tightening those plastic fittings. That improved things but it still leaks down the airspeed indicator from about 106 to 100 knots in a couple of minutes. I assume it should be able to hold constant for many minutes? Do people ever use any kind of sealant on these fittings? A thin film of oil on the sealing surfaces perhaps? -- Tom Sargent ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:56 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: RV-List: pitot system leaks Loosing 6 Knots over a couple of minutes will not affect the accuracy of the ASI to any measurable degree. IMHO do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: thomas sargent Subject: RV-List: pitot system leaks I tested the pitot system (using the water in a U-shaped tube method) in my RV-6A today and found it leaking fairly badly.=C2 Tightening up the various fittings helped.=C2 I'm always afraid of over-tightening those plastic fittings.=C2 That improved things but it still leaks down the airspeed indicator from about 106 to 100 knots in a couple of minutes.=C2 I assume it should be able to hold constant for many minutes? Do people ever use any kind of sealant on these fittings? A thin film of oil on the sealing surfaces perhaps? -- Tom Sargent ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======= ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4ffa61b5ca7f361b55b13st51vuc ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: pitot system leaks From: vanremog@aol.com First of all, what types of fittings are you using? The best ones have int imate sealing surfaces or ferrules. What is the nature of the sealing surfaces? They should be smooth and cont iguous. Are you sealing to the inside diameter of the tubing or the outside? Insid e must mate with beaded or multi barbed fittings. Are there threads in the potential leak path? If yes then use PST. -GV -----Original Message----- From: thomas sargent Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:21 pm Subject: RV-List: pitot system leaks I tested the pitot system (using the water in a U-shaped tube method) in my RV-6A today and found it leaking fairly badly. Tightening up the various fittings helped. I'm always afraid of over-tightening those plastic fittin gs. That improved things but it still leaks down the airspeed indicator fr om about 106 to 100 knots in a couple of minutes. I assume it should be ab le to hold constant for many minutes? Do people ever use any kind of sealant on these fittings? A thin film of oi l on the sealing surfaces perhaps? -- Tom Sargent -= - The RV-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: pitot system leaks From: vanremog@aol.com Are you sealing to the inside diameter of the tubing or the outside? Insid e must mate with beaded or multi barbed fittings. Sorry, this should have been completed as: Outside must be absolutely flaw less and slick to seal with O-ring fittings and a little DC4 couldn't hurt. -GV -----Original Message----- From: vanremog Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:18 pm Subject: Re: RV-List: pitot system leaks First of all, what types of fittings are you using? The best ones have int imate sealing surfaces or ferrules. What is the nature of the sealing surfaces? They should be smooth and cont iguous. Are you sealing to the inside diameter of the tubing or the outside? Insid e must mate with beaded or multi barbed fittings. Are there threads in the potential leak path? If yes then use PST. -GV -----Original Message----- From: thomas sargent Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:21 pm Subject: RV-List: pitot system leaks I tested the pitot system (using the water in a U-shaped tube method) in my RV-6A today and found it leaking fairly badly. Tightening up the various fittings helped. I'm always afraid of over-tightening those plastic fittin gs. That improved things but it still leaks down the airspeed indicator fr om about 106 to 100 knots in a couple of minutes. I assume it should be ab le to hold constant for many minutes? Do people ever use any kind of sealant on these fittings? 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