---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/14/12: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:06 AM - Re: Plastic Brake Lines (Ed Anderson) 2. 05:06 AM - Pro Seal Solvent (Warren Brecheisen) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: Pro Seal Solvent (Larry Bowen) 4. 06:05 AM - Re: Pro Seal Solvent (Jeff Orear) 5. 06:50 AM - Re: Pro Seal Solvent (Charlie England) 6. 06:57 AM - Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! (Bill Judge) 7. 07:05 AM - Re: Pro Seal Solvent (Kelly McMullen) 8. 05:52 PM - RV flyover (Dale Ensing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:42 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Plastic Brake Lines I originally installed Van's plastic lines for the passengers brakes (inside cockpit) per the then convention for an Rv-6A back in 1994. I replaced them before ever flying, when I tugged on a supposedly secured connection and the line pulled out - yes, the kernel was installed. I replace them with regular hose brake lines. As you know, Charlie, I had a brake fire in which I almost lost the aircraft - but, that incident was associated with an apparent fatigue brake in the loop of aluminum around the lower landing gear to absorb the flexing as the brake caliper road in and out. After that, I replace the gear lines with stainless steel Teflon brake lines. I personally recommend going with the -4 ss Teflon line brake lines. They certainly cost more and are a bit heavier - but, peace of mind is worth it. Ed -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie England" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:54 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Plastic Brake Lines > > On 07/13/2012 12:54 PM, Ellis H McGaughy wrote: >> --> RV-List message posted by: Ellis H >> McGaughy >> >> >> Any real world experience with Vans plastic brake lines? One thing is >> for sure, they are light and cheap. I am just wondering about >> connection leaks and longevity. >> >> Thanks >> >> Ellis. >> RV-7a fuse >> > IIRC, the 1st -4 that I bought had plastic lines, & I never had a problem. > The plane had ~700 hrs on it when I sold it. But I'm based on a long grass > strip, so I have a bit of help with stopping. > > I've heard stories of heavy brake use melting the lines followed in some > cases by fire. Of course, I also have a friend who had an aluminum line > fatigue & blow a hole in the line inside the pant, causing a fire. > > The -4 I'm flying now has aluminum lines in Van's stock configuration. No > problems with the lines with over 1100 hrs on the plane. > > Don't know if that helps much.... > > Charlie > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:47 AM PST US From: "Warren Brecheisen" Subject: RV-List: Pro Seal Solvent Does anyone know of a cleaner or solvent that is readily available that will cut Pro Seal? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Pro Seal Solvent From: Larry Bowen Try MEK. Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On Jul 14, 2012 8:07 AM, "Warren Brecheisen" wrote: > Does anyone know of a cleaner or solvent that is readily available that > will cut Pro Seal?**** > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Pro Seal Solvent From: Jeff Orear I had very good results with xylol. You should be able to find it in most h ardware stores. Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A. N782P Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Larry Bowen wrote: > Try MEK. > > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > On Jul 14, 2012 8:07 AM, "Warren Brecheisen" wrote: > Does anyone know of a cleaner or solvent that is readily available that wi ll cut Pro Seal? > > > > t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:25 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Pro Seal Solvent On 07/14/2012 07:05 AM, Warren Brecheisen wrote: > > Does anyone know of a cleaner or solvent that is readily available > that will cut Pro Seal? > > A lot of people (including me) use MEK, but IIRC, Flamemaster recommends Toluene (Methyl Benzene). http://www.flamemaster.com/index.html That's the solvent in the sealant. Charlie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:57 AM PST US From: Bill Judge Subject: RV-List: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! Regulatory Advocacy to me is the most important thing EAA does, by that I mean protecting our ability to build homebuilt aircraft with the least encumbrances possible. I guess the thing I'm most concerned about is, would the new management of EAA take as seriously the threat to homebuilding that was presented when the FAA was reviewing the 51% rule? My guess is probably not, as demonstrated by the loss of the ability for instructors to charge for instruction in their own homebuilts by being an EAA member, instructing an EAA member. It used to be that anyone who was an EAA member, instructor and owned a homebuilt could charge for instruction but that loophole in the rules quietly expired. Now an instructor has to go through a lengthy letter of deviation authority process which is not standardized across the FSDOs. There used to be a guy in Florida that you could get a private multi engine ticket in an Aircam... not anymore. I think that I'm throwing my lot in with these guys. Bill N84WJ, RV-8, 791hrs. rv-8.blogspot.com Time: 09:02:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! From: Phillip Perry Hi Jason, Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails. Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be brought up as well. The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him. But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the boiling point for many members. Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class citizens in the organization. Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some regards. I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now, I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA. Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from within. You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment that Rod has created. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122 Additional information can be found at this link containing comments from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if you don't go read the entire link. =========== As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than EAA members. =========== http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049 I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot across the bow of EAA's leadership. Thanks, Phil > > Time: 09:02:35 AM PST US > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! > From: Phillip Perry > > > Hi Jason, > > Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good > portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails. > > Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be > brought up as well. > > The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the > way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him. > But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the > boiling point for many members. > > Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization > the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their > core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA > politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through > AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong > revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become > focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid > the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would > still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class > citizens in the organization. > > Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA > by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to > participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership > community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made > available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of > the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some > regards. > > I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I > have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now, > I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA > culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA. > > Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen > nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that > Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam > Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is > an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the > organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from > within. > > You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir > workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his > comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment > that Rod has created. > > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122 > > Additional information can be found at this link containing comments > from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if > you don't go read the entire link. > > =========== > As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start > having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp > Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than > EAA members. > =========== > > http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049 > > > I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough > votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot > across the bow of EAA's leadership. > > Thanks, > Phil > > > On 7/13/12, Pascal wrote: > > Jason; > > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of > > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. Its hard, been there, not > Afghinstan > > but another operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service! > > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it > > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport > > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what > building a > > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that combined > > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying > > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for > homebuilders > > and not general aviation however. > > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to > have > > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself. > > > > From: Jason Wodack > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! > > > > Phil, > > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop > > for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused > > such a reaction. > > > > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm > about to > > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me. I was > > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed, > and > > what the issues are that we are having. > > > > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do n't > want > > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed > before I > > make a decision, > > > > Thanks > > Jason > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry > > wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a > > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the > upcoming > > election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of just > > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections. > > > > This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the > EAA. > > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows > > their members to participate in the election. So we copied their > language > > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on > it to > > reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't > > turn down at the elections in a few weeks. > > > > In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the > > election: > > > > 1) They could choose not to participate. > > 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual > business > > meeting. > > 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check > box on > > your annual renewal) > > > > > > Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some > members > > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up being > > appointments and not elections by the members. > > > > I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are > > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same > > thing. The form can be found at this link. > > > > > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf > > > > > > You can send me a scanned copy or the original to: > > > > Phillip W. Perry > > C/O David Carr > > 1100 W Monroe St > > Austin, TX 78704 > > > > > > Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for > selecting > > them: > > > > > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68 > > > > > > Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link > asking > > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total > > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the > > EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that > > message: > > > > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285 > > > > > > Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel > > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the > > business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware > of) > > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately > > participate. > > > > We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP. > So > > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on > > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to > Rod > > Hightower and his buddies. > > > > We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can > use > > your support and even you active participation. > > > > Thanks, > > Phil Perry > > > > RV-10 #40750 > > EAA Lifetime Member > > > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > tp://forums.matronics.com > > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:17 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Pro Seal Solvent Ding, ding. We have a winner! If you are just cleaning up, MEK is okay with all the precautions about skin protection, not inhaling it, etc. If you want to thin the sealant, toluene is correct. If you just want a brushable consistency, get the A compound instead of the B compound..it already has the correct amount of toluene in it. A compound is better for covering rivet heads and as a topcoat over B compound than using thinned B compound. Less likely to get air bubbles and pin holes. Kelly Veteran of stripping and resealing Mooney fuel tanks On 7/14/2012 6:49 AM, Charlie England wrote: > On 07/14/2012 07:05 AM, Warren Brecheisen wrote: >> >> Does anyone know of a cleaner or solvent that is readily available >> that will cut Pro Seal? >> >> > A lot of people (including me) use MEK, but IIRC, Flamemaster > recommends Toluene (Methyl Benzene). > > http://www.flamemaster.com/index.html > > That's the solvent in the sealant. > > Charlie > * > > > * ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:47 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: RV-List: RV flyover Three RV-3s doing the flyover during the national anthym at the NASCAR truck race in Newton Iowa to night!! 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