---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/06/12: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:20 PM - Re: Re: logging PIC time, was Almost an RV question..... (mr.gsun@gmail.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: logging PIC time, was Almost an RV question..... From: mr.gsun@gmail.com So, if I am in a complex aircraft acting as PIC because I am the safety pilot, can I count that as some of the complex time needed for my commercial? Even though I am not checked out, nor insured to fly that aircraft? I am, however, current in my RV7 with a current class II medical. Greg On Oct 5, 2012 1:41 AM, "Glen Matejcek" wrote: > > HI Guys- > > This is a subject area that triggers heated debates all the way up to > heavy cockpits. The source guidance for this particular issue can be found > in FAR 61.51(e)(1)(iii) which states, paraphrased, that when ACTING as PIC > you can log PIC. While the statemant that there is only one PIC aboard is > correct, it is also correct that when one pilot (the real PIC) is under the > hood in VMC, he can not fully discharge his duties. The safety pilot is an > FAR required position and can only be filled by someone with the > appropriate category and class ratings. Per the reg cited above, the > safety pilot gets to log PIC and it does indeed count towards his next > certificate or rating. Tailwheel and complex / high perf endorsements are > not an issue. > > If you guys think this stuff is sticky, get a couple heavy pilots to > discuss logging bunk time on multi-crew long haul flights... however, not > only is the black ink on the white page, but the FAA website has a section > for legal interpretations that spells out how DC views these issues. > > Subject: RV-List: Almost an RV question..... > >From: mr.gsun@gmail.com > > > >Hi folks, here is the scenario > > > >I'm a low time RV7 pilot wanting to stay IFR current in my IFR legal RV7 > >(tailwheel) with the Dynon Skyview installed > > > >My hangar neighbor is a newly minted IFR pilot wanting to build time > >towards his commercial rating. He flies a complex, High performance > Sokata > >Trinidad. He does not have a tailwheel endorsment and I do not have > either > >a complex or high performance endorsement. > > > >Can either of us log time as safety pilot for the other while the other is > >under the hood? Can either of us legally be safety pilots for each other? > >(Maybe that is the same question) > > > >If I went and got an endorsement in a complex airplane (the local flight > >school does not have a complex, High Performance anymore) and flew with > him > >as safety pilot could any of that time be logged towards the requirement > >for complex time for my commercial rating? > > > >Thanks in advance for the answers..... > > > > > Glen Matejcek > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.