---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/30/12: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 09:07 AM - [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle) 1. 08:35 AM - Spins in an RV-6 (Charles Brame) 2. 10:34 AM - Re: Spins in an RV-6 (Glen Matejcek) 3. 11:45 AM - Building RV-6 Fuse Looking for Jig (R.C. Flyer) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:10 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again; number 49 actually! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running and I don't ever forget it. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you to all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:17 AM PST US From: Charles Brame Subject: RV-List: Spins in an RV-6 I agree with Stein that each RV-6 is different. I've only spun mine, but it seems to spin different than other -6 owners I've talked to that have spun their birds. My -6 is reluctant to spin and requires full pro spin controls to enter and/or to stay in a spin. That includes spins in either direction, accelerated entries, slow, nose up entries, entries with and without power, and entries with various CGs. All seem to result in similar spin conditions with relatively slow smooth entries and very quick recoveries using only neutral controls. The rotational rate of my -6 spins is quite low though I have not timed them. The only disconcerting aspect is vertical oscillations while in the spin - the nose tends to vary 30=B0 - 40=B0 up and down with a very rapid transition from nose high to nose low and with two or three vertical oscillations per turn. I've only held the spins for two turns as the vertical oscillations are disconcerting and seem to increase in violence as the spin progresses. Two turn spins and recovery to level flight usually takes less than 1,000 feet of altitude with less than three Gs during the recovery. In fact, if the recovery is initiated with the nose going up, the spin stops with virtually no additional loss of altitude. I have not tried inverted spins and don't intend to. My spin experience is limited in light airplanes with only a few spins in various birds. However, I have extensive spin experience in the T-37, with literally thousands of fully developed spins to include accelerated and inverted spins. The T-37 had a very stable spin, about 30=B0 nose low, a very rapid loss of altitude, and a very high rate of rotation (a full rotation every three seconds in its slowest, most stable mode.) Its recovery required aggressive full anti spin controls resulting in a near vertical attitude following recovery. By comparison, my -6 spins MUCH slower, with a much quicker and much smoother recovery, but with the vertical oscillations mentioned above if held in the spin. I encourage RV owners to familiarize themselves with their bird's spin entries and recovery. The emphasis should be on spin prevention, with no intention to fully develop a spin or hold the spin for more than a half turn. Those individuals with no previous spin experience should get some qualified spin instruction before trying it solo in any aircraft. Spins should be respected, but not feared. Charlie Brame RV-6A N11CB San Antonio ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Time: 02:06:07 PM PST US > From: "Stein Bruch" > Subject: RE: RV-List: Spins in an RV-6 > > > I would agree with much of what you said below, however having built > and owned > a number of RV6's over the past decades I will attest to the fact > that the differences > between planes and their configurations can be a HUGE factor in this > particular airframe....specifically engine/prop combos, battery > location, fuel > levels, CG, W&B, etc.. Indeed some of them behave exactly as Bob > mentioned below, > but then again some of them are just absolute tigers (meaning they > will > wind up quickly and will NOT come out in a half turn no matter what > you do or > how good you are). My point of caution is that just because one > particular airframe > may behave that way and allow a quick spin recovery, my experience > is that > many -6's will not (and some -4's as well). I certainly wouldnt out > practicing > for my first time with that assumption! In the end though, some of > them > do behave in the way that absolutely requires you to work hard in > order to even > get them into a spin (much less maintain it). > > Just my 2 cents as usual! > > Cheers, > > Stein ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:51 AM PST US From: Glen Matejcek Subject: RV-List: Re: Spins in an RV-6 Guys, (and gals...), those three notes on spinning are three of the best written, concise, and non-hackle-raising notes I've seen in these fora. Kudos. Glen Matejcek ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:55 AM PST US From: "R.C. Flyer" Subject: RV-List: Building RV-6 Fuse Looking for Jig Does anyone in the So. Cal. area know of or have a jig to build the -6 Fuse lage? I'M just about at the point where I'll need one. Thanks. R.C. > Date: Fri=2C 30 Nov 2012 09:04:44 -0800 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > From: dralle@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! > > > Dear Listers=2C > > Its November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birth day again=3B number 49 actually! But it also means that its that last off icial day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking ab out picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!! > > If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been pu tting it off for some reason=2C NOW is the time! > > I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days=2C so you'll pro bably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! > > I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operat ion running and I don't ever forget it. > > The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habi t by making your Contribution right now: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Or=2C by dropping a personal check in the mail to: > > Matt Dralle / Matronics > 581 Jeannie Way > Livermore CA 94550 > > Thank you to all in advance! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.