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2. 09:37 PM - Re: Prep for Assy. (Robin Marks)
3. 09:55 PM - Re: Prep for Assy. (Charlie E)
4. 10:11 PM - Re: Prep for Assy. (R.C. Flyer)
5. 10:14 PM - Re: Prep for Assy. (vanremog@aol.com)
6. 10:26 PM - Re: Prep for Assy. (Robin Marks)
7. 10:28 PM - Re: Prep for Assy. (Ed Holyoke)
8. 10:40 PM - Re: Prep for Assy. (R.C. Flyer)
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I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the in
terior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So
. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging
in the low 40's @ night. The Garage is insulated=2C so it only gets down t
o the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers=2C as well as Epoxy primer
s. This is not going to be a "show" plane=2C but I do plan on keeping it fo
r some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you
suggest=2C and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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R.C
Yikes! Is this a primer question?
As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks shin
y as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I owned. How l
ong are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to prime either of my
RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
Robin
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of R.C. Flyer
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:23 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prep for Assy.
Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the in
terior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So
. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging
in the low 40's @ night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to
the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. T
his is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some
time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you sugges
t, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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A friend near the FL coast once tested several coatings on 2024 samples & th
en dipped them in salt water repeatedly over a period of many months. The sa
mple that was just alodined fared as well as the high dollar epoxy. ( I doub
t that you could detect the weight change on an alodined part.)
FWIW,
Charlie
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On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:22 AM, "R.C. Flyer" <smirdrv@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Folks,
> I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the i
nterior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So
. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging i
n the low 40's @ night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to the
mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. This i
s not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some time.
It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you suggest, and w
here can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
>
> R.C.
>
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Robin=2C
No Primer? Not even inside the wings? I haven't seen a thread pertaining to
this subject recently=2C so I'm not attempting to start a "fire" or anythi
ng like that. I just want to build the plane. I built the wings and Tail se
ction quite a while ago. Just finished a Tailwind Restoration and now want
to complete my -6 (Kit #25315). So you're suggesting the plane can be assem
bled "as is"?
R.C.
From: robin@PaintTheWeb.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Prep for Assy.
R.C
Yikes! Is this a primer question?
As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks shin
y as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I owned. How l
ong are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to prime either of my
RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
Robin
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Sent: Thursday=2C December 20=2C 2012 9:23 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prep for Assy.
Folks=2C
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the in
terior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So
. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging
in the low 40's @ night. The Garage is insulated=2C so it only gets down t
o the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers=2C as well as Epoxy primer
s. This is not going to be a "show" plane=2C but I do plan on keeping it fo
r some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you
suggest=2C and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
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Keep in mind that all of the Bauxite in dirt thruout the world is actually
the fossilized remains of RVs built during the Pleistocene, so, without pri
mer they don't last forever...
-GV
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From: R.C. Flyer <smirdrv@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:24 pm
Subject: RV-List: Prep for Assy.
Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the in
terior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So
. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging
in the low 40's @ night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to
the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. T
his is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some
time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you sugges
t, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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R.C.
My reply re: primer was tongue in cheek and good natured but to answer your
question correct, no primer. A friend that has build 9 RVs never primed an
d I took my que from him after reviewing both my vintage Beechcraft and Ces
sna. I recall the first time I looked inside my 53' and figured if it was g
ood enough for Beechcraft... I am sure others will have differing opinions
I just wanted to share our thought process. I am sure you will be fine no m
atter which way you go.
Happy Holidays,
Robin
Sent from the new iPad
On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:16 PM, "R.C. Flyer" <smirdrv@hotmail.com<mailto:smir
drv@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Robin,
No Primer? Not even inside the wings? I haven't seen a thread pertaining to
this subject recently, so I'm not attempting to start a "fire" or anything
like that. I just want to build the plane. I built the wings and Tail sect
ion quite a while ago. Just finished a Tailwind Restoration and now want to
complete my -6 (Kit #25315). So you're suggesting the plane can be assembl
ed "as is"?
R.C.
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From: robin@PaintTheWeb.com<mailto:robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Prep for Assy.
R.C
Yikes! Is this a primer question?
As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks shin
y as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I owned. How l
ong are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to prime either of my
RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
Robin
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ics.com> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C. Flye
r
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:23 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prep for Assy.
Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the in
terior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So
. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging
in the low 40's @ night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to
the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. T
his is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some
time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you sugges
t, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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Howdy R.C.,
What a lot of guys are doing is using rattle can self-etching primer on
the faying surfaces and counting on the alclad to do it's job for the
skins. You don't even have to do that much, but it may assuage your need
to strive for perfection. Angle stock and thicker plate must be primed
as it isn't alclad. Steel must be painted. Don't bother priming anything
exterior as you'll just have to remove it to paint the plane. Sem can be
found at auto paint supply stores. I've been using rustoleum
self-etching primer from Lowe's or HD. It's got a nice dark green color
and will work well enough. Epoxy is bulletproof and a pain in the butt,
but if you feel ya gotta....
Robin has a pretty good point. Unless you are really young and leave the
thing out in humid weather for years, you won't live long enough to see
serious corrosion on the interior. My '63 C-150C, on the other hand, was
delivered new to Santa Barbara where it sat out on the ramp in the salt
fog for a lot of years and it finally died of cancer. The wing attach
fittings looked like croissants! You're probably not going to want to
sit your airplane outside more than you have to. It's really hard on the
paint, avionics, and interior, even though we're not too worried about
corrosion. These airplanes are small. You'll be able to find a hangar to
share and keep the cost down.
As to cold garages, I have a halogen (electric) heater hanging over my
workbench that takes the edge off (and a window air conditioner for the
worst days in summer). I've used those work lights you can get at Lowe's
Depot for localized heating before. For any kind of painting, including
priming, you'll want to get the temp up above 65 and keep it there until
the paint is cured.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
RV-6A
RV-6 Engine nearly complete, Yay!
On 12/20/2012 9:37 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> R.C
>
> Yikes! Is this a primer question?
>
> As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks
> shiny as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I
> owned. How long are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to
> prime either of my RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
>
> Robin
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *R.C. Flyer
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:23 PM
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV-List: Prep for Assy.
>
> Folks,
> I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and
> the interior. What has been determined to be the proper process to
> use? I'm in So. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the
> garage. Temps are hanging in the low 40's @ night. The Garage is
> insulated, so it only gets down to the mid 50's in there. I've seen
> "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. This is not going to be a
> "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some time. It may have
> to live out in the elements at times. What do you suggest, and where
> can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
>
> R.C.
>
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Thanks=2C Ed and Robin=3B
I was concerned because I built the wings and the tail sections in '98=2C a
nd only primed the spars of the Horizontal=2C Verticle=2C and Rudder. Didn'
t do any of the Wings. this was a "Back Check" before I get too far along.
R.C.
From: bicyclop@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prep for Assy.
Howdy R.C.=2C
What a lot of guys are doing is using rattle can self-etching primer on the
faying surfaces and counting on the alclad to do it's job for the skins. Y
ou don't even have to do that much=2C but it may assuage your need to striv
e for perfection. Angle stock and thicker plate must be primed as it isn't
alclad. Steel must be painted. Don't bother priming anything exterior as yo
u'll just have to remove it to paint the plane. Sem can be found at auto pa
int supply stores. I've been using rustoleum self-etching primer from Lowe'
s or HD. It's got a nice dark green color and will work well enough. Epoxy
is bulletproof and a pain in the butt=2C but if you feel ya gotta....
Robin has a pretty good point. Unless you are really young and leave the th
ing out in humid weather for years=2C you won't live long enough to see ser
ious corrosion on the interior. My '63 C-150C=2C on the other hand=2C was d
elivered new to Santa Barbara where it sat out on the ramp in the salt fog
for a lot of years and it finally died of cancer. The wing attach fittings
looked like croissants! You're probably not going to want to sit your airpl
ane outside more than you have to. It's really hard on the paint=2C avionic
s=2C and interior=2C even though we're not too worried about corrosion. The
se airplanes are small. You'll be able to find a hangar to share and keep t
he cost down.
As to cold garages=2C I have a halogen (electric) heater hanging over my wo
rkbench that takes the edge off (and a window air conditioner for the worst
days in summer). I've used those work lights you can get at Lowe's Depot f
or localized heating before. For any kind of painting=2C including priming
=2C you'll want to get the temp up above 65 and keep it there until the pai
nt is cured.
Pax=2C
Ed Holyoke
RV-6A
RV-6 Engine nearly complete=2C Yay!
On 12/20/2012 9:37 PM=2C Robin Marks wrote:
R.C
Yikes! Is this a primer question?
As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks shin
y as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I owned. How l
ong are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to prime either of my
RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
Robin
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of R.C. Flyer
Sent: Thursday=2C December 20=2C 2012 9:23 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prep for Assy.
Folks=2C
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the in
terior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So
. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging
in the low 40's @ night. The Garage is insulated=2C so it only gets down t
o the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers=2C as well as Epoxy primer
s. This is not going to be a "show" plane=2C but I do plan on keeping it fo
r some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you
suggest=2C and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
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