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| Subject: | Re: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for RV-6 |
FWIW, I have the old small tail on my RV-6 tail dragger with O-360 and fixe
d pitch (Catto) and it slips just fine. Sure, you can't add full power unti
l you get a little speed for full rudder authority on takeoff, my feeling i
s so what, makes me think I'm flying a Mustang (in my dreams!). As for tail
wag, I have flown an RV-7 tail dragger with the large tail and it wagged j
ust as much as mine does in turbulence.
Now, having said all that, if you are given to doing intentional spins, go
with the large tail for faster spin recovery. I have never spun mine, and h
ave no intention of ever doing so .
BTW, R.C., if you are building a tail dragger and plan on a fixed pitch pro
p, especially if it is a light composite prop, you are probably going to fi
nd that you need to be concerned about aft CG issues. The heavier O-360 mig
ht actually be a boon in that respect. Just passing on my own experience fo
r whatever it's worth.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 1060 hours and counting
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C. Flyer" <smirdrv@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:05:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for RV
-6
I have an O-320-160 in my Tailwind and was considering an O-360-180 for the
-6. I=99m only 120# after a heavy meal, and soaking wet, so pass pay
load wouldn=99t be an issue. I do occasionally execute aggressive sli
ps on approach when necessary.... was this an =9CAD=9D from Van
=99s? Maybe I should consider another O-320-160......
R.C.
From: Ed Holyoke
Sent: =8EMarch=8E =8E16=8E, =8E2013 =8E
8=8E:=8E53=8E =8EPM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for RV
-6
First they increased the height of the stab and made a larger counterbalanc
ed rudder, then they came out with the 7 with an even taller stab (I think)
and quickly went to the riveted trailing edge rudder for better spin recov
ery.
What I've experienced with my 6A and small rudder is a little hunting in tu
rbulence and not enough authority for serious slips. Less wetted area makes
for a faster airplane, if that's what you want. Marty is probably right ab
out not using full power on the takeoff roll, but it'll accelerate and brea
k ground with very little power and then, with more airspeed and control au
thority, you can bring in the rest of the power. Even an O-320 fixed pitch
bird climbs just fine, not 3000fpm mind you but just fine.
Pax,
Ed
On 3/16/2013 7:34 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote:
What=99s this about a larger tail for the -6? I=99m currently w
orking on my Fuse for the -6 and it=99s a Tail dragger. I have the or
iginal Tail Section that I built several years ago. How critical is this ne
w tail mod for the tail wheel version? Is this info on the web sight or can
it be found here on the forum?
R.C.
From: Marty Helller
Sent: =8EMarch=8E =8E16=8E, =8E2013 =8E
6=8E:=8E43=8E =8EPM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for RV
-6
You might want to advise your buddy that Vans made a larger tail for a reas
on: especially if its a tail dragger or he puts in an engine larger than th
e 160 hp.
Even with the Rv-7 larger tail, I can't add full power until the tail is of
f the ground...
Marty
RV-7 75 hours
From: HCRV6@comcast.net
Subject: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for RV-6
Has anyone out there got or know of and old style Vertical stab and rudder
for an RV-6, kit or any stage of completion, that they want to part with. I
think a -4 would also work. A friend of mine is building a -6and does not
want to use the new larger RV-8 style vertical tail.
Either reply here or call Bob Gorman directly at 408-828-6727
Harry Crosby
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for RV-6 |
I sold my RV6A a few years ago and built an RV-12 (ago creeping ip on me
pretty fast) but about tail wag in tubrulence; when I put vortex
generators on there was a very noticeable reduction in yawing in
turbulence...a very noticeable reduction.
FWIW
----- Original Message -----
From: HCRV6@comcast.net
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder
for RV-6
FWIW, I have the old small tail on my RV-6 tail dragger with O-360 and
fixed pitch (Catto) and it slips just fine. Sure, you can't add full
power until you get a little speed for full rudder authority on takeoff,
my feeling is so what, makes me think I'm flying a Mustang (in my
dreams!). As for tail wag, I have flown an RV-7 tail dragger with the
large tail and it wagged just as much as mine does in turbulence.
Now, having said all that, if you are given to doing intentional
spins, go with the large tail for faster spin recovery. I have never
spun mine, and have no intention of ever doing so.
BTW, R.C., if you are building a tail dragger and plan on a fixed
pitch prop, especially if it is a light composite prop, you are probably
going to find that you need to be concerned about aft CG issues. The
heavier O-360 might actually be a boon in that respect. Just passing on
my own experience for whatever it's worth.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 1060 hours and counting
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From: "R.C. Flyer" <smirdrv@hotmail.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:05:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder
for RV-6
I have an O-320-160 in my Tailwind and was considering an O-360-180
for the -6. I=99m only 120# after a heavy meal, and soaking wet,
so pass payload wouldn=99t be an issue. I do occasionally execute
aggressive slips on approach when necessary.... was this an
=9CAD=9D from Van=99s? Maybe I should consider
another O-320-160......
R.C.
From: Ed Holyoke
Sent: =8EMarch=8E =8E16=8E, =8E2013
=8E8=8E:=8E53=8E =8EPM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder
for RV-6
First they increased the height of the stab and made a larger
counterbalanced rudder, then they came out with the 7 with an even
taller stab (I think) and quickly went to the riveted trailing edge
rudder for better spin recovery.
What I've experienced with my 6A and small rudder is a little hunting
in turbulence and not enough authority for serious slips. Less wetted
area makes for a faster airplane, if that's what you want. Marty is
probably right about not using full power on the takeoff roll, but it'll
accelerate and break ground with very little power and then, with more
airspeed and control authority, you can bring in the rest of the power.
Even an O-320 fixed pitch bird climbs just fine, not 3000fpm mind you
but just fine.
Pax,
Ed
On 3/16/2013 7:34 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote:
What=99s this about a larger tail for the -6? I=99m
currently working on my Fuse for the -6 and it=99s a Tail dragger.
I have the original Tail Section that I built several years ago. How
critical is this new tail mod for the tail wheel version? Is this info
on the web sight or can it be found here on the forum?
R.C.
From: Marty Helller
Sent: =8EMarch=8E =8E16=8E, =8E2013
=8E6=8E:=8E43=8E =8EPM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder
for RV-6
You might want to advise your buddy that Vans made a larger tail
for a reason: especially if its a tail dragger or he puts in an engine
larger than the 160 hp.
Even with the Rv-7 larger tail, I can't add full power until the
tail is off the ground...
Marty
RV-7 75 hours
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:08:25 +0000
From: HCRV6@comcast.net
To: RV-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for
RV-6
Has anyone out there got or know of and old style Vertical stab and
rudder for an RV-6, kit or any stage of completion, that they want to
part with. I think a -4 would also work. A friend of mine is building
a -6and does not want to use the new larger RV-8 style vertical tail.
Either reply here or call Bob Gorman directly at 408-828-6727
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 1060 hours
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