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Mon 03/18/13


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     1. 04:55 AM - Re: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for RV-6 (Warrenbrecheisen)
     2. 05:44 AM - RV-6 rudder (Max)
     3. 07:10 AM - internet sales taxes (Vince Frazier)
     4. 08:12 AM - Re: internet sales taxes (Ralph Finch)
     5. 08:42 AM - Re: internet sales taxes (John Trollinger)
     6. 08:50 AM - Re: internet sales taxes (Linn)
     7. 10:20 AM - Re: RV-6 rudder (HCRV6@comcast.net)
     8. 02:01 PM - Speaking of rudders... (Charlie E)
     9. 02:09 PM - Re: Speaking of rudders... (Linn)
    10. 03:29 PM - Re: Speaking of rudders... (Robin Marks)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:55:01 AM PST US
    From: Warrenbrecheisen <n146wb@cfu.net>
    Subject: Re: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for RV-6
    I echo the cg issue. I have an O-320 in my -6. Even with a metal fixed pit ch prop and -7 battery installation the cg is further back than I would like (about 1/3rd from forward most). Forget the 100 lb luggage capacity. You w on't be able to use it unless you are alone. I spun mine unintentionally du ring the test phase and recovery was good, but every plane is different. Warren On Mar 17, 2013, at 6:56 PM, "R.C. Flyer" <smirdrv@hotmail.com> wrote: > Gotcha, Harry. I had CG concerns in my Tailwind because the wings are wet ( just under 50 gal.)which places the balance point a bit father aft. So it so unds like an O-360 wouldn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t be a problem..... Thanks. I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ll contact Van=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s tomorrow a nd see what they have to say about the issue. > > R.C. > > Sent from Windows Mail > > From: HCRV6@comcast.net > Sent: =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BDMarch=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD 17=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD, =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD2013 =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD12=C3 =A2=82=AC=C5=BD:=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD58=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3=A2=82 =AC=C5=BDPM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for R V-6 > > FWIW, I have the old small tail on my RV-6 tail dragger with O-360 and fix ed pitch (Catto) and it slips just fine. Sure, you can't add full power unt il you get a little speed for full rudder authority on takeoff, my feeling i s so what, makes me think I'm flying a Mustang (in my dreams!). As for tail wag, I have flown an RV-7 tail dragger with the large tail and it wagged ju st as much as mine does in turbulence. > > Now, having said all that, if you are given to doing intentional spins, go with the large tail for faster spin recovery. I have never spun mine, and h ave no intention of ever doing so. > > BTW, R.C., if you are building a tail dragger and plan on a fixed pitch pr op, especially if it is a light composite prop, you are probably going to fi nd that you need to be concerned about aft CG issues. The heavier O-360 mig ht actually be a boon in that respect. Just passing on my own experience fo r whatever it's worth. > > Harry Crosby > RV-6 N16CX, 1060 hours and counting > From: "R.C. Flyer" <smirdrv@hotmail.com> > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:05:04 PM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for R V-6 > > I have an O-320-160 in my Tailwind and was considering an O-360-180 for th e -6. I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m only 120# after a heavy meal, and soaking w et, so pass payload wouldn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t be an issue. I do occasi onally execute aggressive slips on approach when necessary.... was this an =C3 =A2=82=AC=C5=93AD=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D from Van=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s? Maybe I should consider another O-320-160...... > > R.C. > > From: Ed Holyoke > Sent: =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BDMarch=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD 16=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD, =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD2013 =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD8=C3 =A2=82=AC=C5=BD:=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD53=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3=A2=82 =AC=C5=BDPM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for R V-6 > > First they increased the height of the stab and made a larger counterbalan ced rudder, then they came out with the 7 with an even taller stab (I think) and quickly went to the riveted trailing edge rudder for better spin recove ry. > > What I've experienced with my 6A and small rudder is a little hunting in t urbulence and not enough authority for serious slips. Less wetted area makes for a faster airplane, if that's what you want. Marty is probably right abo ut not using full power on the takeoff roll, but it'll accelerate and break g round with very little power and then, with more airspeed and control author ity, you can bring in the rest of the power. Even an O-320 fixed pitch bird c limbs just fine, not 3000fpm mind you but just fine. > > Pax, > > Ed > > On 3/16/2013 7:34 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: > What=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s this about a larger tail for the -6? I=C3=A2 =82=AC=84=A2m currently working on my Fuse for the -6 and it=C3=A2=82 =AC=84=A2s a Tail dragger. I have the original Tail Section that I built s everal years ago. How critical is this new tail mod for the tail wheel vers ion? Is this info on the web sight or can it be found here on the forum? > R.C. > > From: Marty Helller > Sent: =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BDMarch=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD 16=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD, =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD2013 =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD6=C3 =A2=82=AC=C5=BD:=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD43=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BD =C3=A2=82 =AC=C5=BDPM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for R V-6 > > You might want to advise your buddy that Vans made a larger tail for a re ason: especially if its a tail dragger or he puts in an engine larger than t he 160 hp. > > Even with the Rv-7 larger tail, I can't add full power until the tail is o ff the ground... > > Marty > RV-7 75 hours > > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:08:25 +0000 > From: HCRV6@comcast.net > To: RV-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Looking for old style vertical stab and rudder for RV-6 > > Has anyone out there got or know of and old style Vertical stab and rudder for an RV-6, kit or any stage of completion, that they want to part with. I think a -4 would also work. 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    Time: 05:44:40 AM PST US
    Subject: RV-6 rudder
    From: Max <maxfly55@gmail.com>
    Harry, I have an early, completed vertical fin and rudder assembly. Where are you located? Thomas Phy 541-306-1500


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    Time: 07:10:55 AM PST US
    Subject: internet sales taxes
    From: Vince Frazier <vincefrazier@gmail.com>
    Most guys on this list are probably planning to buy, or already have bought a lot of stuff from various online retailers like Aircraft Spruce, or maybe even from us, Flyboy Accessories. The feds and the states want to enact new sales taxes on internet sales. If this happens, it will drive many small companies, like Flyboy Accessories, right out of business. There is NO way that we'd be able to handle the additional work required to track sales taxes for 49 other states (including those who don't currently have a sales tax... we'd still have to track it!). Currently, the buyer (you) are responsible to remit sales taxes to your state on anything you buy from out of state. I know that compliance to this regulation is sometimes slim, but that is no reason to shift the liability to the innocent merchant! How does an internet sales tax affect you? Well, if you live in a state where there is no sales tax, your choices of where to buy will decrease and prices will go up. If you live in any of the other states where there is a sales tax, your choices of where to buy will decrease and prices will go up.... AND if you're building an airplane, you're gonna have to prove to your Department of Revenue which items on your plane have already had the tax paid and which haven't. I recently contact the Indiana DoR and asked how they'd handle this. They said that they had no mechanism to handle it. So, basically until the states catch up with the new tax code (which they probably won't do for a small niche like aviation) then there's a very good chance that you'll pay double sales taxes on many of your purchases! In other words, when you register your plane and the state says "Where's my sales tax money?" you'll have to either jump through hoops to convince them that you've already paid, or you'll simply pay the taxes again! This discussion could devolve into a big anti-government thread. Please refrain from that. We all agree that the government is far too big and out of control. On the new sales tax topic, please direct your energies toward contacting your federal and state representatives and senators... particularly the FEDERAL ones! I have attached a sample letter to them below my signature. Again, I'd strongly encourage you to make time today to contact your two U.S. senators and your U.S. congressman and pass the message below, or a similar message, to them either by phone, email, or snail mail. Emailing them is easily done through their contact form online. You won't find a bona fide email address and must use the contact form on their website for most federal officials. Thanks, Vince Frazier Flyboy Accessories 3963 Caborn Road North Mount Vernon, IN 47620 812-464-1839 1-888-8FLYBOY 1-888-835-9269 www.flyboyaccessories.com *As a small business customer, I can tell you that the surefire way to kill a small business is to add new onerous regulations to the already overwhelming burden that the government has already saddled them with. There has been much talk about adding internet sales taxes to "level" the playing field. This is baloney. The field is already heavily tilted toward large businesses like Walmart. Adding new internet sales taxes is a MONEY GRAB and will KILL SMALL BUSINESS INNOVATION. Is that what you really want? I doubt it. 1. Vote No against adding Internet Sales Taxes to the Budget Resolution. 2. Don't be fooled, real people don't want new tax burdens of any kind on the Internet. 3. New taxes on the Internet will hurt consumers, small businesses, jobs and growth. 4. No small business should ever be able to be sued by another state where they have no connection or right to vote and be dragged into that states=92 courts. do not archive *


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    Time: 08:12:48 AM PST US
    From: Ralph Finch <ralphmariafinch@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: internet sales taxes
    I think I hear violins playing...or is it whining? *"If this happens, it will drive many small companies, like Flyboy Accessories, right out of business."* So you admit your business model depends on unfair subsidies from those who DO pay taxes. *"There is NO way that we'd be able to handle the additional work required to track sales taxes for 49 other states (including those who don't currently have a sales tax... we'd still have to track it!)."* Oh, dear, that IS a chore, tracking 50 different tax entities! You poor thing, you'll have to stay up all night keeping track! Of course, it's not 50 states you'd track, it's a few thousand tax boundaries (counties, cities, etc). Of course, no enterprising 3rd party company will ever be created to track these for you and the hundreds of thousands of other on-line businesses...naw, that's too obvious. *"Currently, the buyer (you) are responsible to remit sales taxes to your state on anything you buy from out of state. I know that compliance to this regulation is sometimes slim, but that is no reason to shift the liability to the innocent merchant!"* I DO pay my use taxes each year on my out-of-state purchases. Since I can track my purchases, I see no hardship to the "innocent" merchant. *"2. Don't be fooled, real people don't want new tax burdens of any kind on the Internet." * Screw you. Real people don't want corporate subsidies.* *Flyboy Accessories will never get my business...and building an RV-9A, I spend a lot. Ralph Finch


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    Time: 08:42:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: internet sales taxes
    From: John Trollinger <john@trollingers.com>
    Ralph, Actually it is not a corporate subsidy, it is a subsidy for those buying the product, as the business is still paying its taxes, it is the consumer who is not paying their taxes. Right or wrong what the internet next is trying to do is force the business to collect the consumers portion of the tax for them and then pay it to the state that it is owed. It is hard to see why it should be the job of a company that operates out of state A being forced to follow the tax codes of state B just because consumers are not following the law the way you are Ralph. john On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Ralph Finch <ralphmariafinch@gmail.com>wrote: > I think I hear violins playing...or is it whining? > > > *"If this happens, it will drive many small companies, like Flyboy > Accessories, right out of business."* > > So you admit your business model depends on unfair subsidies from those > who DO pay taxes. > > > *"There is NO way that we'd be able to handle the additional work > required to track sales taxes for 49 other states (including those who > don't currently have a sales tax... we'd still have to track it!)."* > > Oh, dear, that IS a chore, tracking 50 different tax entities! You poor > thing, you'll have to stay up all night keeping track! Of course, it's not > 50 states you'd track, it's a few thousand tax boundaries (counties, > cities, etc). Of course, no enterprising 3rd party company will ever be > created to track these for you and the hundreds of thousands of other > on-line businesses...naw, that's too obvious. > > > *"Currently, the buyer (you) are responsible to remit sales taxes to your > state on anything you buy from out of state. I know that compliance to > this regulation is sometimes slim, but that is no reason to shift the > liability to the innocent merchant!"* > > I DO pay my use taxes each year on my out-of-state purchases. Since I can > track my purchases, I see no hardship to the "innocent" merchant. > > > *"2. Don't be fooled, real people don't want new tax burdens of any kind > on the Internet." > > * > Screw you. Real people don't want corporate subsidies.* > > *Flyboy Accessories will never get my business...and building an RV-9A, I > spend a lot. > > Ralph Finch > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 08:50:02 AM PST US
    From: Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: internet sales taxes
    Sorry Ralph, but I think you're way out of line. What sales business experience do you have? I've had a few in my lifetime and the paperwork (which I absolutely hate) and crappy customers killed them all. Vince asked to not start a war ... but you had to respond .... and yes, I am too. I'm in FL, and the FL IRS says if you have physical presence in the state then you must collect sales tax. Pretty much the same in other states. It's just another way for bloated state Gov't to add another tax without doing anything to support those vendors in other states. Yep, you spend a lot through catalogs and internet sales and report your sales tax .... as you should but now you want to place that onus on small businesses. That's a shame. Linn .... last call On 3/18/2013 11:11 AM, Ralph Finch wrote: > I think I hear violins playing...or is it whining? > > /"If this happens, it will drive many small companies, like Flyboy > Accessories, right out of business."/ > > So you admit your business model depends on unfair subsidies from > those who DO pay taxes. > > /"There is NO way that we'd be able to handle the additional work > required to track sales taxes for 49 other states (including those who > don't currently have a sales tax... we'd still have to track it!)."/ > > Oh, dear, that IS a chore, tracking 50 different tax entities! You > poor thing, you'll have to stay up all night keeping track! Of course, > it's not 50 states you'd track, it's a few thousand tax boundaries > (counties, cities, etc). Of course, no enterprising 3rd party company > will ever be created to track these for you and the hundreds of > thousands of other on-line businesses...naw, that's too obvious. > > /"Currently, the buyer (you) are responsible to remit sales taxes to > your state on anything you buy from out of state. I know that > compliance to this regulation is sometimes slim, but that is no reason > to shift the liability to the innocent merchant!"/ > > I DO pay my use taxes each year on my out-of-state purchases. Since I > can track my purchases, I see no hardship to the "innocent" merchant. > > /*"2. Don't be fooled, real people don't want new tax burdens of any > kind on the Internet." > > */ > Screw you. Real people don't want corporate subsidies./* > > */Flyboy Accessories will never get my business...and building an > RV-9A, I spend a lot. > > Ralph Finch > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >


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    Time: 10:20:31 AM PST US
    From: HCRV6@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: RV-6 rudder
    Max, Thanks, I have forwarded your phone number to Bob Gorman, my pal who is looking for the fin and rudder. Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max" <maxfly55@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 5:43:49 AM Subject: RV-List: RV-6 rudder Harry, I have an early, completed vertical fin and rudder assembly. Where are you located?


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    Time: 02:01:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Speaking of rudders...
    From: Charlie E <ceengland7@gmail.com>
    Is anyone missing one? This one was found on the side of the road on Highway 49 N near Pocahontas M S. Charlie Sent from my iPhone <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 02:09:06 PM PST US
    From: Linn <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Speaking of rudders...
    Not mine! But look at the size of that trim tab!!! Linn On 3/18/2013 5:00 PM, Charlie E wrote: > Is anyone missing one? > This one was found on the side of the road on Highway 49 N near Pocahontas MS. > > Charlie


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    Time: 03:29:24 PM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Speaking of rudders...
    I have a friend that has 3 RV rudders mounted like trophy's in his hangar. He has backed out 2 RV's from his hangar w/o the bi-fold door being fully up. Yes he did it TWICE with one RV. When he calls Vans now the first thing they ask is if he wants to buy another set rudder parts. My friend has no opinion on large vs. small rudders but I know he probably wishes Vans made a short rudder. Robin




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