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| Subject: | IFR RVs in the US |
Thanks David, gives me a lot to ponder on and ammo to build a strategy.
Judging by what is done in the US there is no fundamental reason except
historical events to restrain us from flying IFR with our experimental
airplanes within European skies.
Regards,
Mich=E8le
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de David Leonard
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 3 juillet 2013 21:23
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Objet : Re: RV-List: IFR RVs in the US
Oh, I forgot to add this Excellent link to the EAA's comments on
equiping an
experimental for IFR flight.
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/faq/Equipping%20a%20Homebuilt%20
for
%20IFR%20operations.html
Rodoc
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:19 PM, David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
wrote:
Michele,
To paraphrase the excellent responses you have already received I offer
some
clarification because you may not be familiar with the rest of the rules
for
our experimentals:
Our instrument and avionics requirements are the same as those for
certified
aircraft except that the instruments themselves do not necessarily have
to
be certified, just meet the TSO performance requirements. In practice
that
usually means that the Transponder and any GPS or VOR navigation systems
are
TSO certified and the other instruments are quality panel-mount items.
Significantly, that means that in order to fly en-route with GPS
guidance,
the GPS needs to be IFR certified and to fly GPS approaches the unit
must be
WAAS approach certified.
The bi-annual static system check and transponder test have to be done
by a
certified shop, but otherwise engine and air frame work can be done by
either a certified shop or by the builder who has the repairman
certificate,
but not necessarily by just the current owner. The annual condition
inspection much be current.
The engine/prop need not be certified. In fact, I fly IFR with my
Wankel
engine out of a Mazda RX-7.
No IFR during the initial test phase or anytime the aircraft is
temporarily
returned to 'Test Phase' because of a major modification.
Requirements for the pilot are the same as if you were flying a
certified
aircraft, including medical.
Just like with VFR flight in an experimental, we cannot carry passengers
or
cargo for hire even if the pilot has a commercial rating. Other forms
of
commercial compensation seem to have relaxed a little (more accurately,
they
have been more clearly defined in order to improve aviation safety).
For
example you can be compensated to fly in an airshow, with special
permission
you can provide type-specific transition training for compensation. You
can
be paid for pictures taken from your aircraft, but not be paid as a
hired
photographer or sky writer. You can fly to a business event and deduct
the
costs from your income, even carry passengers IFR incidental to that
trip
who share some of the direct costs but the pilot has to pay an equal
share.
We may not rent the aircraft, but we can lend it to someone if the owner
is
not paid. We cannot do banner tow or drop skydivers even if it is
unpaid.
All in all I feel it is a very fair and safe system. While
experimentals
here have not yet shown themselves to be as safe as certified aircraft,
I
would venture to bet that accidents under IFR are no higher than with
certified aircraft. If you can find that statistic someplace I think it
could greatly help your cause.
Good luck! I am sure that I speak for my US experimental aviation
brothers
and sisters when I say that we would love to see you succeed. In fact,
if
you contact the EAA they may be able to offer some advise. Our EAA has
an
excellent rapport with the FAA. Do you have a similar organization in
France?
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Michele Delsol <mdelsol@md-dsl.fr>
wrote:
I knew I=92d get knowledgeable responses from the list ' you guys are
great.
Such good stuff, thanks. Gives me the ammo to approach the French
authorities ' they really treat us like children ' no trust. They
want us to
have just about everything certified : engine and everything that goes
on
one, all avionics, gages, why not switches, breakers, wiring=85 with the
appropriate form One=92s on each item. Maintenance in a certified shop
and the
paper work to go along... Result ' there are no Night or IFR home
builts in
France ' there is one exception which proves the rule.
Thanks ' i=92ll work with the material/info you sent and would get
back off
line if I need clarifications.
Mich=E8le
De : owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Michele Delsol
Envoy=E9 : lundi 24 juin 2013 22:04
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Objet : RV-List: IFR RVs in the US
Hello to all,
I=92ve been lurking on the sidelines of this list and have contributed
at
times during the build time of my RV8 ' from France. I have finished
the 8
which has been providing me with more joy than I anticipated. What a
great
airplane.
All would be perfect except that the French and most Europeans do not
allow
home builts to fly IFR. A few of the RV owners being military and/or
professional pilots with full IFR qualifications, with planes very well
equipped avionics wise, would like to change this. I have thus taken it
upon
myself within the context of our French RV builder group
(www.vansclubdefrance.fr) to explore the possibility of having the rules
changed, at least within the context of French skies.
Since the US FAA does allow experimental built airplanes to fly IFR in
the
US, my question to the list is : what are the criteria which would allow
an
RV to be flown IFR by a duly qualified IFR pilot ? Questions which come
to
mind are :
=B7 Does the engine have to be certified as opposed to a non
certified
such as Mattituck, Superior, Barret=85 ?
=B7 What about maintenance ' by certified mechanic or by owner
under a
certain conditions ?
=B7 Minimum avionics : ex. two radios, VORs, DME, other ?
=B7 Any steam gages ?
=B7 Does the owner who does his own maintenance have to acquire
specific qualifications ?
Thanks,
Mich=E8le Delsol
RV8 ' F-PDSL
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David Leonard
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David Leonard
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