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1. 08:20 AM - Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" (Mike Robertson)
2. 08:29 AM - Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" (Ken Brooks)
3. 05:21 PM - Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" (vanremog@aol.com)
4. 05:39 PM - Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" (Lyle Peterson)
5. 07:23 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/08/13 (RV4WGH@aol.com)
6. 08:02 PM - Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" (Mike Robertson)
7. 08:05 PM - Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" (Mike Robertson)
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Subject: | Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" |
Ken=2C
The article that you attached is correct but there is something left out th
at needs to be addressed. The basis for the FARs is a federal law called T
itle 49. This is the federal law that dictates to the FAA to make and mait
ain a set of federal regulations. Within that law are several chapters sta
ting all kinds of laws for air transportation. One of those chapters is Ch
apter 447-Safety Regulations. One of the sub-chapters/sections is section
44709. This section states that the FAA may reinspect at any time a civil
aircraft=2C aircraft engine=2C propeller=2C applicance=2C air navigation fa
cility=2C air agency (repair station) =2C or reexamine an airman holding a
certificate. This is stated in paragraph (a). Paragraph (b) goes into wha
t the FAA can do if anything is found wrong. In paragraph (c) and further
it goes into notification to the owner/pilot of what action=2C if any=2C is
proposed and about appeals. Generally speaking=2C in order to invoke this
part of the law=2C an FAA inspector will issue the reexam via a letter but
there is nothing that states that he must. So in a certain way the FAA ca
n ask to see the airworthiness certificate and registration along with the
airmen's pilot certificate=2C medical=2C and ASK when you had you last BFR.
Here is where this gets interesting. Your aircraft is private property. T
he FAA may not enter your personal aircraft without permission. BUT=2C lik
e any person interested he may look all he wants as long as he does not tou
ch or enter. This includes sticking his head into the door or a window if
it is open provided he does not touch anything. If he then sees something
suspesous to give probable cause he may invoke the above 44709.
This does not mean he can nealy willy invoke section 44709 as he MUST have
probable cause and be prepared to give the reason for the search in writing
.
You may have heard of pilot's who have an incident or accident stating that
they have to go take a ride with the FAA. This is the most prominent exam
ple of the invoking of section 44709.
Another good example is if an FAA inspector suspects that an aircraft has n
ot had the required annual inspeciton and is flying around=2C he may invoke
section 44709 to inspect the aircraft and its assocated maintenance logboo
ks.
In both cases I have stated these reexams will have a letter issued prior t
o the reexam=2C but there is a provision within the law for emergencies (i.
e=2C a pilot is suspected to be drunk). If the situation is deemed an emer
gency then a letter is not required prior to the reexam but must be written
after the reexam with all reasons and conclusions.
In a nut shell the pilot/owner may refuse a ramp inspection of part 91 airc
raft but if the FAA inspector either gives you a letter stating he/she want
s to conduct a ramp inspection you must submit or possibly suffer losing th
e airworthiness certificate of the aircraft.
Now...after stating all this don't get scared. Invoking section 44709 is t
aken as a serious thing and most inspectors won't go that far unless they a
lready have a suspession they will find something wrong. I=2C personaly=2C
after 20 years with the FAA have only invoked section 44709 a handful of t
imes. And in all cases I pretty much knew what I would find.
I hope this cears things a little bit but if you have any questions please
don't hesitate to ask.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> From: kenbrooks@charter.net
> Subject: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
> Date: Sun=2C 8 Sep 2013 19:52:17 -0500
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
> A knowledgable pilot friend of mine sent me this regarding ramp checks th
at I found very interesting and thought I would pass it along. If there are
any inaccuracies in it=2C those of you who are on the list that are affili
ated with the FAA=2C possibly as a DAR=2C etc.=2C are welcome to comment. I
don't claim to have a corner on the knowledge market. FWIW.
>
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Subject: | Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" |
Sorry about that. I don't use the list much any more and forgot that attachments
don't get added to posts. If you'd like the .pdf file I described about private
pilot ramp checks, just send me an e-mail and I'll send it to you directly.
- Ken
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Subject: | Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" |
I have a hard time believing that this letter was written by a federal empl
oyee, what with all of the misspellings. Sorry, Mike, couldn't resist, and
please don't ramp check me, I'm just having a little fun with you.
-GV
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 10:12 am
Subject: RE: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
Ken,
The article that you attached is correct but there is something left out th
at needs to be addressed. The basis for the FARs is a federal law called T
itle 49. This is the federal law that dictates to the FAA to make and mait
ain a set of federal regulations. Within that law are several chapters sta
ting all kinds of laws for air transportation. One of those chapters is Ch
apter 447-Safety Regulations. One of the sub-chapters/sections is section
44709. This section states that the FAA may reinspect at any time a civil
aircraft, aircraft engine, propeller, applicance, air navigation facility,
air agency (repair station) , or reexamine an airman holding a certificate.
This is stated in paragraph (a). Paragraph (b) goes into what the FAA ca
n do if anything is found wrong. In paragraph (c) and further it goes into
notification to the owner/pilot of what action, if any, is proposed and ab
out appeals. Generally speaking, in order to invoke this part of the law,
an FAA inspector will issue the reexam via a letter but there is nothing th
at states that he must. So in a certain way the FAA can ask to see the air
worthiness certificate and registration along with the airmen's pilot certi
ficate, medical, and ASK when you had you last BFR.
Here is where this gets interesting. Your aircraft is private property. T
he FAA may not enter your personal aircraft without permission. BUT, like
any person interested he may look all he wants as long as he does not touch
or enter. This includes sticking his head into the door or a window if it
is open provided he does not touch anything. If he then sees something su
spesous to give probable cause he may invoke the above 44709.
This does not mean he can nealy willy invoke section 44709 as he MUST have
probable cause and be prepared to give the reason for the search in writing
.
You may have heard of pilot's who have an incident or accident stating that
they have to go take a ride with the FAA. This is the most prominent exam
ple of the invoking of section 44709.
Another good example is if an FAA inspector suspects that an aircraft has n
ot had the required annual inspeciton and is flying around, he may invoke s
ection 44709 to inspect the aircraft and its assocated maintenance logbooks
.
In both cases I have stated these reexams will have a letter issued prior t
o the reexam, but there is a provision within the law for emergencies (i.e,
a pilot is suspected to be drunk). If the situation is deemed an emergenc
y then a letter is not required prior to the reexam but must be written aft
er the reexam with all reasons and conclusions.
In a nut shell the pilot/owner may refuse a ramp inspection of part 91 airc
raft but if the FAA inspector either gives you a letter stating he/she want
s to conduct a ramp inspection you must submit or possibly suffer losing th
e airworthiness certificate of the aircraft.
Now...after stating all this don't get scared. Invoking section 44709 is t
aken as a serious thing and most inspectors won't go that far unless they a
lready have a suspession they will find something wrong. I, personaly, aft
er 20 years with the FAA have only invoked section 44709 a handful of times
. And in all cases I pretty much knew what I would find.
I hope this cears things a little bit but if you have any questions please
don't hesitate to ask.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> From: kenbrooks@charter.net
> Subject: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 19:52:17 -0500
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
> A knowledgable pilot friend of mine sent me this regarding ramp checks th
at I found very interesting and thought I would pass it along. If there are
any inaccuracies in it, those of you who are on the list that are affiliat
ed with the FAA, possibly as a DAR, etc., are welcome to comment. I don't c
laim to have a corner on the knowledge market. FWIW.
>
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Subject: | Re: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" |
Spelling skill is not a prerequisite for federal employment.
On 9/9/2013 7:20 PM, vanremog@aol.com wrote:
> I have a hard time believing that this letter was written by a federal
> employee, what with all of the misspellings. Sorry, Mike, couldn't
> resist, and please don't ramp check me, I'm just having a little fun
> with you.
> -GV
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
> To: rv list <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 10:12 am
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
>
> Ken,
>
> The article that you attached is correct but there is something left
> out that needs to be addressed. The basis for the FARs is a federal
> law called Title 49. This is the federal law that dictates to the FAA
> to make and maitain a set of federal regulations. Within that law are
> several chapters stating all kinds of laws for air
> transportation. One of those chapters is Chapter 447-Safety
> Regulations. One of the sub-chapters/sections is section 44709. This
> section states that the FAA may reinspect at any time a civil
> aircraft, aircraft engine, propeller, applicance, air navigation
> facility, air agency (repair station) , or reexamine an airman holding
> a certificate. This is stated in paragraph (a). Paragraph (b) goes
> into what the FAA can do if anything is found wrong. In paragraph (c)
> and further it goes into notification to the owner/pilot of what
> action, if any, is proposed and about appeals. Generally speaking, in
> order to invoke this part of the law, an FAA inspector will issue the
> reexam via a letter but there is nothing that states that he must. So
> in a certain way the FAA can ask to see the airworthiness certificate
> and registration along with the airmen's pilot certificate, medical,
> and ASK when you had you last BFR.
>
> Here is where this gets interesting. Your aircraft is private
> property. The FAA may not enter your personal aircraft without
> permission. BUT, like any person interested he may look all he wants
> as long as he does not touch or enter. This includes sticking his
> head into the door or a window if it is open provided he does not
> touch anything. If he then sees something suspesous to give probable
> cause he may invoke the above 44709.
>
> This does not mean he can nealy willy invoke section 44709 as he MUST
> have probable cause and be prepared to give the reason for the search
> in writing.
>
> You may have heard of pilot's who have an incident or accident stating
> that they have to go take a ride with the FAA. This is the most
> prominent example of the invoking of section 44709.
>
> Another good example is if an FAA inspector suspects that an aircraft
> has not had the required annual inspeciton and is flying around, he
> may invoke section 44709 to inspect the aircraft and its assocated
> maintenance logbooks.
>
> In both cases I have stated these reexams will have a letter issued
> prior to the reexam, but there is a provision within the law for
> emergencies (i.e, a pilot is suspected to be drunk). If the situation
> is deemed an emergency then a letter is not required prior to the
> reexam but must be written after the reexam with all reasons and
> conclusions.
>
> In a nut shell the pilot/owner may refuse a ramp inspection of part 91
> aircraft but if the FAA inspector either gives you a letter stating
> he/she wants to conduct a ramp inspection you must submit or possibly
> suffer losing the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft.
>
> Now...after stating all this don't get scared. Invoking section 44709
> is taken as a serious thing and most inspectors won't go that far
> unless they already have a suspession they will find something wrong.
> I, personaly, after 20 years with the FAA have only invoked section
> 44709 a handful of times. And in all cases I pretty much knew what I
> would find.
>
> I hope this cears things a little bit but if you have any questions
> please don't hesitate to ask.
>
> Mike Robertson
> Das Fed
>
> > From: kenbrooks@charter.net <mailto:kenbrooks@charter.net>
> > Subject: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
> > Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 19:52:17 -0500
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> >
> > A knowledgable pilot friend of mine sent me this regarding ramp
> checks that I found very interesting and thought I would pass it
> along. If there are any inaccuracies in it, those of you who are on
> the list that are affiliated with the FAA, possibly as a DAR, etc.,
> are welcome to comment. I don't claim to have a corner on the
> knowledge market. FWIW.
> >
> *
>
> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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>
> *
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MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237
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Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/08/13 |
Hi Ken,
Nothing there!
In a message dated 9/9/2013 2:15:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
rv-list@matronics.com writes:
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1. 05:54 PM - Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" (Ken Brooks)
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Time: 05:54:06 PM PST US
From: Ken Brooks <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Subject: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
A knowledgable pilot friend of mine sent me this regarding ramp checks
that I found very interesting and thought I would pass it along. If
there are any inaccuracies in it, those of you who are on the list that
are affiliated with the FAA, possibly as a DAR, etc., are welcome to
comment. I don't claim to have a corner on the knowledge market. FWIW.
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Subject: | Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" |
I like to think of it as fat fingers. =3B-)
Mike
From: lyleap@comcast.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
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Spelling skill is not a prerequisite for federal employment.
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On 9/9/2013 7:20 PM=2C vanremog@aol.com=0A
wrote:
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I have a hard=0A
time believing that this letter was written by a federal=0A
employee=2C what with all of the misspellings. Sorry=2C Mike
=2C=0A
couldn't resist=2C and please don't ramp check me=2C I'm just
=0A
having a little fun with you.=0A
=0A
-GV=0A
-----Original Message-----
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From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
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To: rv list <rv-list@matronics.com>
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Sent: Mon=2C Sep 9=2C 2013 10:12 am
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Subject: RE: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
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Ken=2C
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The article that you attached is correct but there is=0A
something left out that needs to be addressed. The=0A
basis for the FARs is a federal law called Title 49. =0A
This is the federal law that dictates to the FAA to make=0A
and maitain a set of federal regulations. Within that=0A
law are several chapters stating all kinds of laws for=0A
air transportation. One of those chapters is Chapter=0A
447-Safety Regulations. One of the=0A
sub-chapters/sections is section 44709. This=0A
section states that the FAA may reinspect at any time a=0A
civil aircraft=2C aircraft engine=2C propeller=2C applicanc
e=2C=0A
air navigation facility=2C air agency (repair station) =2C
=0A
or reexamine an airman holding a certificate. This is=0A
stated in paragraph (a). Paragraph (b) goes into what=0A
the FAA can do if anything is found wrong. In paragraph=0A
(c) and further it goes into notification to the=0A
owner/pilot of what action=2C if any=2C is proposed=0A
and about appeals. Generally speaking=2C in order to=0A
invoke this part of the law=2C an FAA inspector will issue
=0A
the reexam via a letter but there is nothing that states=0A
that he must. So in a certain way the FAA can ask to=0A
see the airworthiness certificate and registration along=0A
with the airmen's pilot certificate=2C medical=2C and ASK
=0A
when you had you last BFR.
=0A
=0A
Here is where this gets interesting. Your aircraft is=0A
private property. The FAA may not enter your personal=0A
aircraft without permission. BUT=2C like any person=0A
interested he may look all he wants as long as he does=0A
not touch or enter. This includes sticking his head=0A
into the door or a window if it is open provided he does=0A
not touch anything. If he then sees=0A
something suspesous to give probable cause he may invoke=0A
the above 44709.
=0A
=0A
This does not mean he can nealy willy invoke section=0A
44709 as he MUST have probable cause and be prepared to=0A
give the reason for the search in writing.
=0A
=0A
You may have heard of pilot's who have an incident or=0A
accident stating that they have to go take a ride with=0A
the FAA. This is the most prominent example of the=0A
invoking of section 44709.
=0A
=0A
Another good example is if an FAA inspector suspects=0A
that an aircraft has not had the required annual=0A
inspeciton and is flying around=2C he may invoke section=0A
44709 to inspect the aircraft and its assocated=0A
maintenance logbooks.
=0A
=0A
In both cases I have stated these reexams will have a=0A
letter issued prior to the reexam=2C but there is a=0A
provision within the law for emergencies (i.e=2C a pilot=0A
is suspected to be drunk). If the situation is deemed=0A
an emergency then a letter is not required prior to the=0A
reexam but must be written after the reexam with all=0A
reasons and conclusions.
=0A
=0A
In a nut shell the pilot/owner may refuse a ramp=0A
inspection of part 91 aircraft but if the FAA inspector=0A
either gives you a letter stating he/she wants to=0A
conduct a ramp inspection you must submit or possibly=0A
suffer losing the airworthiness certificate of the=0A
aircraft.
=0A
=0A
Now...after stating all this don't get scared. Invoking=0A
section 44709 is taken as a serious thing and most=0A
inspectors won't go that far unless they already have a=0A
suspession they will find something wrong. I=2C=0A
personaly=2C after 20 years with the FAA have only invoked
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section 44709 a handful of times. And in all cases=0A
I pretty much knew what I would find.
=0A
=0A
I hope this cears things a little bit but if you have=0A
any questions please don't hesitate to ask.
=0A
=0A
Mike Robertson
=0A
Das Fed
=0A
=0A
> From: kenbrooks@charter.net
=0A
> Subject: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
=0A
> Date: Sun=2C 8 Sep 2013 19:52:17 -0500
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> To: rv-list@matronics.com
=0A
>
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> A knowledgable pilot friend of mine sent me this=0A
regarding ramp checks that I found very interesting=0A
and thought I would pass it along. If there are any=0A
inaccuracies in it=2C those of you who are on the list=0A
that are affiliated with the FAA=2C possibly as a DAR=2C
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etc.=2C are welcome to comment. I don't claim to have a
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corner on the knowledge market. FWIW.
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>
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t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List=0A
tp://forums.matronics.com=0A
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MBS=2C AMA=2C MSCE=2C EAA Chapter 237 =0A
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Subject: | Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks" |
That's why I have spell check. Although it did not come on for this letter
. Or I forgot to turn it on.
Mike
Subject: Re: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
From: vanremog@aol.com
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I have a hard time believing that this letter was written by a federal empl
oyee=2C what with all of the misspellings. Sorry=2C Mike=2C couldn't resis
t=2C and please don't ramp check me=2C I'm just having a little fun with yo
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-GV=0A
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-----Original Message-----
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From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Mon=2C Sep 9=2C 2013 10:12 am
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Subject: RE: RV-List: Part 91 FAA "Ramp Checks"
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Ken=2C
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The article that you attached is correct but there is something left out th
at needs to be addressed. The basis for the FARs is a federal law called T
itle 49. This is the federal law that dictates to the FAA to make and mait
ain a set of federal regulations. Within that law are several chapters sta
ting all kinds of laws for air transportation. One of those chapters is Ch
apter 447-Safety Regulations. One of the sub-chapters/sections is section
44709. This section states that the FAA may reinspect at any time a civil
aircraft=2C aircraft engine=2C propeller=2C applicance=2C air navigation fa
cility=2C air agency (repair station) =2C or reexamine an airman holding a
certificate. This is stated in paragraph (a). Paragraph (b) goes into wha
t the FAA can do if anything is found wrong. In paragraph (c) and further
it goes into notification to the owner/pilot of what action=2C if any=2C is
proposed and about appeals. Generally speaking=2C in order to invoke this
part of the law=2C an FAA inspector will issue the reexam via a letter but
there is nothing that states that he must. So in a certain way the FAA ca
n ask to see the airworthiness certificate and registration along with the
airmen's pilot certificate=2C medical=2C and ASK when you had you last BFR.
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
Here is where this gets interesting. Your aircraft is private property. T
he FAA may not enter your personal aircraft without permission. BUT=2C lik
e any person interested he may look all he wants as long as he does not tou
ch or enter. This includes sticking his head into the door or a window if
it is open provided he does not touch anything. If he then sees something
suspesous to give probable cause he may invoke the above 44709.
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
This does not mean he can nealy willy invoke section 44709 as he MUST have
probable cause and be prepared to give the reason for the search in writing
.
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
You may have heard of pilot's who have an incident or accident stating that
they have to go take a ride with the FAA. This is the most prominent exam
ple of the invoking of section 44709.
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
Another good example is if an FAA inspector suspects that an aircraft has n
ot had the required annual inspeciton and is flying around=2C he may invoke
section 44709 to inspect the aircraft and its assocated maintenance logboo
ks.
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
In both cases I have stated these reexams will have a letter issued prior t
o the reexam=2C but there is a provision within the law for emergencies (i.
e=2C a pilot is suspected to be drunk). If the situation is deemed an emer
gency then a letter is not required prior to the reexam but must be written
after the reexam with all reasons and conclusions.
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In a nut shell the pilot/owner may refuse a ramp inspection of part 91 airc
raft but if the FAA inspector either gives you a letter stating he/she want
s to conduct a ramp inspection you must submit or possibly suffer losing th
e airworthiness certificate of the aircraft.
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Now...after stating all this don't get scared. Invoking section 44709 is t
aken as a serious thing and most inspectors won't go that far unless they a
lready have a suspession they will find something wrong. I=2C personaly=2C
after 20 years with the FAA have only invoked section 44709 a handful of t
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I hope this cears things a little bit but if you have any questions please
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at I found very interesting and thought I would pass it along. If there are
any inaccuracies in it=2C those of you who are on the list that are affili
ated with the FAA=2C possibly as a DAR=2C etc.=2C are welcome to comment. I
don't claim to have a corner on the knowledge market. FWIW.
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