---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/15/13: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:14 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! (Matt Dralle) 1. 07:59 AM - Dual Trim wiring (bigdog@bentwing.com) 2. 08:26 AM - Re: Dual Trim wiring (Denis Walsh) 3. 08:50 AM - Re: Dual Trim wiring (Tcwtech) 4. 09:41 AM - Re: Dual Trim wiring (Carl Froehlich) 5. 12:59 PM - Re: Dual Trim wiring (bigdog@bentwing.com) 6. 01:10 PM - Re: Dual Trim wiring (bigdog@bentwing.com) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:43 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:06 AM PST US From: "bigdog@bentwing.com" Subject: RV-List: Dual Trim wiring I need to hook up the trim wiring on my -6 and am looking for relay/control ler options. I've got trim switches (ail & elev) on both sticks. I picked up a Ariel mixer box some time ago that will isolate the dual trim. I just discovered it's too big to mount between the seat ribs where I'd like to mo unt it. It also doesn't address speed control. I've got a couple Matronics speed control modules and could wire them with the mixer but it gets to be a bit of a rats nest of wiring. So I'm looking for other options. I know a bout TCW Safety-Trim but it looks like it's only set up for one stick. What else is out there? Thanks. Regards, Greg Young ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:12 AM PST US From: Denis Walsh Subject: Re: RV-List: Dual Trim wiring I have used a matronics module for my elevator trim using two switches and it has worked very well for sixteen years. I have never used the speed control function. I find the trim is too slow at approach speeds and too fast at cruise. Just takes a little getting used to. It seems to me you could scrap the other box and use the two matronics boxes in your system. You can use as many trim switches as you want with the matronics, without relay decks. There is no need for a mixer, whoever trims first wins. Those little boxes can go anywhere. Mine is glued on the airplane side near the pilot's left leg. BEWARE if you do this. Note that the wiring of the stick switches is dramatically different for matronics than for using relays. Just follow Matronics directions. You know how I learned this. Disclaimer. I know nothing about the mixer you describe, or the TCW unit. I do feel it is important to have a really quick way to disable the trim system. I have a pullable circuit breaker for this. One for each side would might be better. DLW On 15Nov, 2013, at 8:58 , bigdog@bentwing.com wrote: > I need to hook up the trim wiring on my -6 and am looking for relay/controller options. I=92ve got trim switches (ail & elev) on both sticks. I picked up a Ariel mixer box some time ago that will isolate the dual trim. I just discovered it=92s too big to mount between the seat ribs where I=92d like to mount it. It also doesn=92t address speed control. I=92ve got a couple Matronics speed control modules and could wire them with the mixer but it gets to be a bit of a rats nest of wiring. So I=92m looking for other options. I know about TCW Safety-Trim but it looks like it=92s only set up for one stick. What else is out there? Thanks. > > Regards, > Greg Young > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Dual Trim wiring From: Tcwtech Our TCW trim controller works with two sticks, no extra wiring/relays requir ed. All switches just wire in parallel. Bob TCW. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:58 AM, "bigdog@bentwing.com" wr ote: > I need to hook up the trim wiring on my -6 and am looking for relay/contro ller options. I=99ve got trim switches (ail & elev) on both sticks. I picked up a Ariel mixer box some time ago that will isolate the dual trim. I just discovered it=99s too big to mount between the seat ribs where I =99d like to mount it. It also doesn=99t address speed control. I =99ve got a couple Matronics speed control modules and could wire them with the mixer but it gets to be a bit of a rats nest of wiring. So I =99m looking for other options. I know about TCW Safety-Trim but it looks li ke it=99s only set up for one stick. What else is out there? Thanks. > > Regards, > Greg Young > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:21 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dual Trim wiring Best approach - use the Safety Trim unit and add a switch on the panel to toggle the common wire to the stick top hat between Pilot and Copilot. This establishes: . Installed backup if the pilot switch jams/sticks. The panel switch then isolates the failed pilot stick top hat and you continue as normal using the co-pilot stick top hat. . Allows for you to not have a non-pilot in the co-pilot seat mess with the trim. Use a DPDT switch and put the flap common wire on the other terminal to get the same benefits. In other words the one switch transfers both flap and trim control between the pilot and co-pilot. Carl From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bigdog@bentwing.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: RV-List: Dual Trim wiring I need to hook up the trim wiring on my -6 and am looking for relay/controller options. I've got trim switches (ail & elev) on both sticks. I picked up a Ariel mixer box some time ago that will isolate the dual trim. I just discovered it's too big to mount between the seat ribs where I'd like to mount it. It also doesn't address speed control. I've got a couple Matronics speed control modules and could wire them with the mixer but it gets to be a bit of a rats nest of wiring. So I'm looking for other options. I know about TCW Safety-Trim but it looks like it's only set up for one stick. What else is out there? Thanks. Regards, Greg Young ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:57 PM PST US From: "bigdog@bentwing.com" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dual Trim wiring Thanks. I forgot that the Governor had that relay function. It's been a lon g time since I looked at it and I was just thinking of the speed control. I should RTFM. Regards, Greg Young From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Denis Walsh Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:26 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Dual Trim wiring I have used a matronics module for my elevator trim using two switches and it has worked very well for sixteen years. I have never used the speed con trol function. I find the trim is too slow at approach speeds and too fast at cruise. Just takes a little getting used to. It seems to me you could scrap the other box and use the two matronics boxe s in your system. You can use as many trim switches as you want with the m atronics, without relay decks. There is no need for a mixer, whoever trims first wins. Those little boxes can go anywhere. Mine is glued on the air plane side near the pilot's left leg. BEWARE if you do this. Note that the wiring of the stick switches is drama tically different for matronics than for using relays. Just follow Matroni cs directions. You know how I learned this. Disclaimer. I know nothing about the mixer you describe, or the TCW unit. I do feel it is important to have a really quick way to disable the trim system. I have a pullable circuit breaker for this. One for each side wo uld might be better. DLW On 15Nov, 2013, at 8:58 , bigdog@bentwing.com w rote: I need to hook up the trim wiring on my -6 and am looking for relay/control ler options. I've got trim switches (ail & elev) on both sticks. I picked up a Ariel mixer box some time ago that will isolate the dual trim. I just discovered it's too big to mount between the seat ribs where I'd like to mo unt it. It also doesn't address speed control. I've got a couple Matronics speed control modules and could wire them with the mixer but it gets to be a bit of a rats nest of wiring. So I'm looking for other options. I know a bout TCW Safety-Trim but it looks like it's only set up for one stick. What else is out there? Thanks. 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