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Mon 08/18/14


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 09:57 AM - Navaid AP-1 gyro motor (vanremog@aol.com)
     2. 03:59 PM - Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor (Thomas Doran)
     3. 04:26 PM - Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor (HCRV6@comcast.net)
     4. 04:35 PM - Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor (vanremog@aol.com)
     5. 04:49 PM - Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor (Gary A. Sobek)
     6. 05:27 PM - Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor (vanremog@aol.com)
     7. 05:47 PM - Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor (vanremog@aol.com)
     8. 07:29 PM - Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor (Bruce Swayze)
     9. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor (vanremog@aol.com)
    10. 07:35 PM - All you wanted to know about DC motors (vanremog@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:57:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor
    From: vanremog@aol.com
    =0AWell it has finally happened again. The gyro motor on my ancient Navaid Devices wing leveler has burned out. Nava id Devices went TU in 2008 and their proprietary motor (Micr omo 1624L012S692) is no longer available. Does anyone know if these motors are available elsewhere in someone's stash? I heard that one of the Navaid people (Horace, I think) wa s the last to do the repairs before they closed their door s.=0A=0AIs the right solution to go with the Trio head and keep the Navaid S1 servo or replace the whole enchilada?=0A=0A Comments from those who have gone thru this would be most helpful.=0A=0A-Thx=0A=0AGV=0A


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    Time: 03:59:50 PM PST US
    From: Thomas Doran <dorante@juno.com>
    Subject: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor
    I have two NAVAID control heads (one I got as a spare) and a servo that I removed from my RV-8A. I replaced it with a Dynon Skyview and Autopil ot. I have been planning to put them on EBAY, but haven=92t gotten around to it. Are you interested? Thanks, Tom On Aug 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, vanremog@aol.com wrote: > Well it has finally happened again. The gyro motor on my ancient Nava id Devices wing leveler has burned out. Navaid Devices went TU in 2008 and their proprietary motor (Micromo 1624L012S692) is no longer availabl e. Does anyone know if these motors are available elsewhere in someone' s stash? I heard that one of the Navaid people (Horace, I think) was th e last to do the repairs before they closed their doors. > > Is the right solution to go with the Trio head and keep the Navaid S1 servo or replace the whole enchilada? > > Comments from those who have gone thru this would be most helpful. > > -Thx > > GV > > ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2


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    Time: 04:26:39 PM PST US
    From: HCRV6@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor
    GV, The same thing happened to me on the way to OSH two years ago. I bought a T rio head while there and installed it after I got home, using the old Navai d servo. The Trio works OK and has some features that were not available in the Navaid, but it has an annoying tendency that I have never been able to trim out of hunting back and forth around the GPS course. If I could have obtained a new motor for the Navaid I would have gone that way and been com pletely satisfied (until it died again). The Trio folks insist that the pro blem is because the servo is mounted under the passenger seat, just like yo urs, and that they highly recommend mounting the servo in the wing tip. Bot tom line is you will probably be happy if you go with a Trio and use the ol d servo like I did, and just as happy if you find a replacement motor. Harry Crosby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Doran" <dorante@juno.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 3:58:20 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor I have two NAVAID control heads (one I got as a spare) and a servo that I r emoved from my RV-8A. I replaced it with a Dynon Skyview and Autopilot. I have been planning to put them on EBAY, but haven=99t gotten around to it. Are you interested? Thanks, Tom On Aug 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, vanremog@aol.com wrote: Well it has finally happened again. The gyro motor on my ancient Navaid Dev ices wing leveler has burned out. Navaid Devices went TU in 2008 and their proprietary motor (Micromo 1624L012S692) is no longer available. Does anyon e know if these motors are available elsewhere in someone's stash? I heard that one of the Navaid people (Horace, I think) was the last to do the repa irs before they closed their doors. Is the right solution to go with the Trio head and keep the Navaid S1 servo or replace the whole enchilada? Comments from those who have gone thru this would be most helpful. -Thx GV href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ____________________________________________________________ ===


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    Time: 04:35:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor
    From: vanremog@aol.com
    =0ATom-=0A =0AI maybe interested if I strike out with MIcromo. I'm still pursuing the replacement motor until they say no. It's the Scotsman in me that hates to throw away ha rdware without attempting to fix it first.=0A =0AAt that point it becomes a "throwing good money after bad" situation and like Rocketman (Harry Crosby) wisely says "it'll only be good until next time".=0A =0AI will wait a week or so before ch oosing a path.=0A =0A-GV=0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom : Thomas Doran <dorante@juno.com>=0ATo: rv-list <rv-list@matronics.com >=0ASent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 4:00 pm=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: Na vaid AP-1 gyro motor=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI have two NAVAID control heads (one I got as a spare) and a servo that I removed from my RV-8A. I replaced it with a Dynon Skyview and A utopilot.=0A=0A=0AI have been planning to put them on EBAY, bu t haven=99t gotten around to it.=0A=0A=0AAre you interested? =0A=0A=0AThanks, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0ATom=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, vanremog@aol.com wrote:=0A=0A=0AWell it has f inally happened again. The gyro motor on my ancient Navaid Devices wing leveler has burned out. Navaid Devices went TU in 2008 and their proprietary motor (Micromo 1624L012S692) is no longer available. Does anyone know if these motors ar e available elsewhere in someone's stash? I heard that one of the Navaid people (Horace, I think) was the last to do the repairs before they closed their doors.=0A =0AIs the right solution to go with the Trio head and keep the Navaid S 1 servo or replace the whole enchilada?=0A =0AComments from th ose who have gone thru this would be most helpful.=0A =0A-Th x=0A =0AGV=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com/">http ://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________________ =========================== =========================== =========================== -Matt Dralle, Li =========================== =========================== =====0A=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 04:49:39 PM PST US
    From: "Gary A. Sobek" <RV6_Flyer@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor
    Harry: I did the same as you. I can dampen out the hunting by adding some aileron trim bias to one side. (Turn manual aileron trim as far as it will go to one side.) The load on the control helps with hunting. Gary: There is a thread on VAF about the motor replacement. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38078 I recommend reading post #5. It says almost any motor can be used as a replacement but stated that the Micromo was the longest lasting. There is a link to a less expensive item on eBay. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C900+ Flying Hours Pennsylvania=2C USA On 08-18-2014=2C 7:24 PM=2C HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: > GV=2C > > The same thing happened to me on the way to OSH two years ago. I > bought a Trio head while there and installed it after I got home=2C > using the old Navaid servo. The Trio works OK and has some features > that were not available in the Navaid=2C but it has an annoying tendency > that I have never been able to trim out of hunting back and forth > around the GPS course. If I could have obtained a new motor for the > Navaid I would have gone that way and been completely satisfied (until > it died again). The Trio folks insist that the problem is because the > servo is mounted under the passenger seat=2C just like yours=2C and that > they highly recommend mounting the servo in the wing tip. Bottom line > is you will probably be happy if you go with a Trio and use the old > servo like I did=2C and just as happy if you find a replacement motor. > > Harry Crosby > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Thomas Doran" <dorante@juno.com> > *To: *"RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com> > *Sent: *Monday=2C August 18=2C 2014 3:58:20 PM > *Subject: *Re: RV-List: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor > > > I have two NAVAID control heads (one I got as a spare) and a servo > that I removed from my RV-8A. I replaced it with a Dynon Skyview and > Autopilot. > > I have been planning to put them on EBAY=2C but haven=99t gotten ar ound to it. > > Are you interested? > > Thanks=2C > > > Tom > > > On Aug 18=2C 2014=2C at 12:56 PM=2C vanremog@aol.com > <mailto:vanremog@aol.com> wrote: > > Well it has finally happened again. The gyro motor on my ancient > Navaid Devices wing leveler has burned out. Navaid Devices went > TU in 2008 and their proprietary motor (Micromo 1624L012S692) is > no longer available. Does anyone know if these motors are > available elsewhere in someone's stash? I heard that one of the > Navaid people (Horace=2C I think) was the last to do the repairs > before they closed their doors. > > Is the right solution to go with the Trio head and keep the Navaid > S1 servo or replace the whole enchilada? > > Comments from those who have gone thru this would be most helpful. > > -Thx > > GV > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.c om/contribution > > * > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > * > > t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > *


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    Time: 05:27:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor
    From: vanremog@aol.com
    =0AGary-=0A =0AYeah, I read that thread and that post in par ticular and am looking into it. Once again I prefer to restore the AP-1 to it's original condition so my preferenc e is to get the same motor. I am not an expert in e lectric motors so am underqualified to select a suitable equiv alent. For example with my limited knowledge I would have preferred a brushless DC motor whereas this one is brush typ e, so I'm already unclear as to what the original selection criteria were.=0A =0A-GV=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Gary A. Sobek <RV6_Flyer@hotmail.com>=0ATo: rv-list <rv-list@matronics.com >=0ASent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 4:50 pm=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: Na vaid AP-1 gyro motor=0A=0A=0A =0A Harry:=0A I did the same as you. I can dampen ou t the hunting by adding some aileron trim bias to o ne side. (Turn manual aileron trim as far as it will go to one side.) The load on the control helps wit h hunting.=0A =0A Gary:=0A There i s a thread on VAF about the motor replacement.=0A htt p://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38078=0A =0A I recommend reading post #5. It says almost any mo tor can be used as a replacement but stated that th e Micromo was the longest lasting. There is a link to a less expensive item on eBay.=0A =0A =0A Gary A. Sobek =0A "My Sanity" RV-6 N 157GS O-320 Hartzell, =0A 2,900+ Flying Hour s Pennsylvania, USA =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0AOn 08-18-2014, 7:24 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:=0A =0A =0A =0A =0AGV,=0A =0A=0A =0A =0AThe same thing happened to m e on the way to OSH two years ago. I bought a Trio head while there and installed it after I got home, using the old Navaid servo. The Trio works OK and has some featu res that were not available in the Navaid, but it has an annoying tendency that I have never been able to trim out of hunting back and forth around the GPS course. If I could have obtained a new motor for the Navaid I would hav e gone that way and been completely sat isfied (until it died again). The Trio folks insist that the problem is because the servo is mounted under the passenger seat, just like yours, and that they highly recommend mou nting the servo in the wing tip. Bot tom line is you will probably be happy if you go with a Trio and use the old servo like I di d, and just as happy if you find a replacement motor.=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0AHarry Crosby=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A =0AFrom: "Thomas Doran" <dorante@juno.com>=0A To: " RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>=0A Sent: Monda y, August 18, 2014 3:58:20 PM=0A Subject: Re: RV-List: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor=0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A I have two NAVAID control heads (one I got as a spare) and a servo that I removed from my RV-8A. I replaced it with a Dynon Skyview and Autopilot. =0A=0A =0A =0AI have been planning to put them on EBAY, bu t haven=99t gotten around to it .=0A =0A=0A =0A =0AAre you interested? =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A Thanks, =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0ATom=0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0AOn Aug 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, vanremog@aol.com wrote:=0A =0A =0A =0AWell it has finally happened again. The gyro mo tor on my a ncient Navaid Devices wing leveler has burned out. Navaid Devices went TU in 2008 and their proprietary motor (Micromo 1624L012S692) is no longer available. D oes anyone know if these motors are available elsewhere in someone's stash? I heard that one of the Navaid people (Horace, I think) was the last to do the repairs befo re they closed their doors.=0A =0A =0A =0AIs the right solution to go with the Trio head and keep the Navaid S1 servo or replace the whole enchilada?=0A =0A =0A =0AComments from th ose who have gone thru this would be most helpful.=0A =0A =0A =0A-Thx=0A =0A =0A =0AGV=0A =0A=0A=0A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?RV-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.c om=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A ____________________ ________________________________________=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0At="_blank ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blan k">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0Aom/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Li st=0As.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Aom/contribution">http://www.matronics. =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== - List Contribution Web Site -=0A -Matt =========================== ===========0A=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:47:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor
    From: vanremog@aol.com
    =0AFirst, a couple of shots of the original motor Micromo 16 24L012S692 044.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASo far the closest items t o the original motor that I can track down easily are the following and my known criteria are:=0A=0A12VDC=0A15,000 to 20,000 rpm =0A1620 to 1625 size (dia/bodyL)=0Adouble shaft 1.5mm dia or greater (to allow use of the original flywheels)12VDC=0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.hollywoodfoundry.com/MHK1624.htm=0A =0Ahttp://www.hollywoo dfoundry.com/MHK1620.htm=0A =0A -GV=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AF rom: Gary A. Sobek <RV6_Flyer@hotmail.com>=0ATo: rv-list <rv-list@ma tronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 4:50 pm=0ASubject: Re: RV -List: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor=0A=0A=0A =0A Harry:=0A I did the same as you. I can da mpen out the hunting by adding some aileron trim bias to one side. (Turn manual aileron trim as far as it will go to one side.) The load on the control hel ps with hunting.=0A =0A Gary:=0A T here is a thread on VAF about the motor replacement.=0A http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38078=0A =0A I recommend reading post #5. It says almost an y motor can be used as a replacement but stated tha t the Micromo was the longest lasting. There is a l ink to a less expensive item on eBay.=0A =0A =0A Gary A. Sobek =0A "My Sanity" RV -6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, =0A 2,900+ Flying Hours Pennsylvania, USA =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0AOn 08-18-2014, 7:24 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:=0A =0A =0A =0A =0AGV,=0A =0A=0A =0A =0AThe same thing happened to me on the way to OSH two years ago. I bought a Trio head while there and installed it after I got home, using the old Navaid servo. The Trio works OK and has some featu res that were not available in the Navaid, but it has an annoying tendency that I have never been able to trim out of hunting back and forth around the GPS course. If I could have obtained a new motor for the Navaid I would hav e gone that way and been completely sat isfied (until it died again). The Trio folks insist that the problem is because the servo is mounted under the passenger seat, just like yours, and that they highly recommend mou nting the servo in the wing tip. Bot tom line is you will probably be happy if you go with a Trio and use the old servo like I di d, and just as happy if you find a replacement motor.=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0AHarry Crosby=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A =0AFrom: "Thomas Doran" <dorante@juno.com>=0A To: " RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>=0A Sent: Monda y, August 18, 2014 3:58:20 PM=0A Subject: Re: RV-List: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor=0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A I have two NAVAID control heads (one I got as a spare) and a servo that I removed from my RV-8A. I replaced it with a Dynon Skyview and Autopilot. =0A=0A =0A =0AI have been planning to put them on EBAY, bu t haven=99t gotten around to it .=0A =0A=0A =0A =0AAre you interested? =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A Thanks, =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0ATom=0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0AOn Aug 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, vanremog@aol.com wrote:=0A =0A =0A =0AWell it has finally happened again. The gyro mo tor on my a ncient Navaid Devices wing leveler has burned out. Navaid Devices went TU in 2008 and their proprietary motor (Micromo 1624L012S692) is no longer available. D oes anyone know if these motors are available elsewhere in someone's stash? I heard that one of the Navaid people (Horace, I think) was the last to do the repairs befo re they closed their doors.=0A =0A =0A =0AIs the right solution to go with the Trio head and keep the Navaid S1 servo or replace the whole enchilada?=0A =0A =0A =0AComments from th ose who have gone thru this would be most helpful.=0A =0A =0A =0A-Thx=0A =0A =0A =0AGV=0A =0A=0A=0A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?RV-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.c om=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A ____________________ ________________________________________=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0At="_blank ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blan k">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0Aom/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Li st=0As.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Aom/contribution">http://www.matronics. =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== - List Contribution Web Site -=0A -Matt =========================== ===========0A=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 07:29:32 PM PST US
    From: Bruce Swayze <swayze@europa.com>
    Subject: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor
    I happen to have an extra Tru-Trak servo that I won't be using (I have 3 of them, don't need this one). It's a model # DSB-B, part # 8100-006. It's brand new, in the box, never used. I bought two of them for my autopilot installation, but bought a 3rd one later that has vertical contol for the pitch axis, so this one is extra. I'll let it go for about half the price of a new one. If this will fit for your application, let me know privately. Email me: swayze "at" europa.com and I'll send you photos and answer all your questions. I hope this can help you out! At 09:56 AM 8/18/2014, you wrote: >Well it has finally happened again. The gyro motor on my ancient >Navaid Devices wing leveler has burned out. Navaid Devices went TU >in 2008 and their proprietary motor (Micromo 1624L012S692) is no >longer available. Does anyone know if these motors are available >elsewhere in someone's stash? I heard that one of the Navaid people >(Horace, I think) was the last to do the repairs before they closed >their doors. > >Is the right solution to go with the Trio head and keep the Navaid >S1 servo or replace the whole enchilada? > >Comments from those who have gone thru this would be most helpful. > >-Thx > >GV


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    Time: 07:34:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor
    From: vanremog@aol.com
    =0ABruce-=0A =0AMy servo is fine. I need the AP head gyro motor. Thx anyway.=0A =0A-GV=0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-- ---=0AFrom: Bruce Swayze <swayze@europa.com>=0ATo: rv-list <rv-list@ma tronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 7:29 pm=0ASubject: RV-List: Re: Navaid AP-1 gyro motor=0A=0A=0A--> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Swayze <swayze@europa.com>=0A=0AI happen to have an ex tra Tru-Trak servo that I won't be using (I =0Ahave 3 of them, don't need this one). It's a model # DSB-B, part # =0A8100-006. It's brand new, in the box, never used. I bough t two of =0Athem for my autopilot installation, but bought a 3rd one later that =0Ahas vertical contol for the pitch a xis, so this one is extra. I'll =0Alet it go for about h alf the price of a new one. If this will fit for =0Ayour application, let me know privately. Email me: swayze "at" =0Aeuropa.com and I'll send you photos and answer all your =0Aquestions. I hope this can help you out!=0A=0A=0AAt 09:56 AM 8/18/2014, you wrote:=0A>Well it has finally happened again. The gyro motor on my ancient =0A>Navaid Devices wing levele r has burned out. Navaid Devices went TU =0A>in 2008 and their proprietary motor (Micromo 1624L012S692) is no =0A>longer available. Does anyone know if these motors are available =0A >elsewhere in someone's stash? I heard that one of the Na vaid people =0A>(Horace, I think) was the last to do the r epairs before they closed =0A>their doors.=0A>=0A>Is the right s olution to go with the Trio head and keep the Navaid =0A>S 1 servo or replace the whole enchilada?=0A>=0A>Comments from tho se who have gone thru this would be most helpful.=0A>=0A>-Thx=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ======================0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A


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    Time: 07:35:43 PM PST US
    Subject: All you wanted to know about DC motors
    From: vanremog@aol.com
    =0AAnd afraid to ask...=0A=0Ahttp://www.delta-line.com/data/download/Porte scap_Technology.pdf=0A=0A




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