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1. 08:14 AM - Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (Bill Judge)
2. 08:34 AM - Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (Mike Kellem)
3. 08:49 AM - Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 08:55 AM - Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (Ralph E. Capen)
5. 11:11 AM - Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (steve)
6. 12:49 PM - Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (Linn Walters)
7. 01:53 PM - Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (Reuven)
8. 04:32 PM - Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (HCRV6@comcast.net)
9. 04:53 PM - Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (Linn Walters)
10. 08:13 PM - Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash (RV6 Flyer)
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| Subject: | Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
Folks,
I just got a second flat and the culprit was again the leakguard inner
tube. If you're using these I recommend you get rid of them the next time
you have your tires off or sooner.
The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never seen this happen to any
other brand of tube.
Of course it happened at a rather inconvenient time, I was landing at Brown
Field, coming back from Mexico, when you are not supposed to get out the
the aircraft until the customs agent authorizes... I limped off the runway,
pulled the wheel pant, and then limped to the customs box... fun fun.
Fly Safe,
Bill Judge
N84WJ, RV-8, 1103 hrs
http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
Did you put talc in when installing?
Tough times don't last
Tough people do!!
Mike 931-993-7623
> On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:12, Bill Judge <bjudge@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Folks,
> I just got a second flat and the culprit was again the leakguard inner tub
e. If you're using these I recommend you get rid of them the next time you h
ave your tires off or sooner.
>
> The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never seen this happen to any o
ther brand of tube.
>
> Of course it happened at a rather inconvenient time, I was landing at Brow
n Field, coming back from Mexico, when you are not supposed to get out the t
he aircraft until the customs agent authorizes... I limped off the runway, p
ulled the wheel pant, and then limped to the customs box... fun fun.
>
> Fly Safe,
>
>
> Bill Judge
> N84WJ, RV-8, 1103 hrs
> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
I had a flat once on landing rollout - ended up being caused by a sticker inside
the tire rubbing the tube. I first thought the tube was junk - until I saw
the wear pattern and the respective sticker....
Might not be your case here - but I thought I would share my failure mode.....
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Judge
Sent: Jan 21, 2015 11:12 AM
Subject: RV-List: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash
Folks,I just got a second flat and the culprit was again the leakguard inner tube.
If you're using these I recommend you get rid of them the next time you have
your tires off or sooner.
The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never seen this happen to any other
brand of tube.
Of course it happened at a rather inconvenient time, I was landing at Brown Field,
coming back from Mexico, when you are not supposed to get out the the aircraft
until the customs agent authorizes... I limped off the runway, pulled the
wheel pant, and then limped to the customs box... fun fun.
Fly Safe,
Bill JudgeN84WJ, RV-8, 1103 hrshttp://rv-8.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
And I had used talc.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jan 21, 2015 11:48 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash
>
>
>I had a flat once on landing rollout - ended up being caused by a sticker inside
the tire rubbing the tube. I first thought the tube was junk - until I saw
the wear pattern and the respective sticker....
>
>Might not be your case here - but I thought I would share my failure mode.....
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: Bill Judge
>
>Sent: Jan 21, 2015 11:12 AM
>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
>Subject: RV-List: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash
>
>
>Folks,I just got a second flat and the culprit was again the leakguard inner tube.
If you're using these I recommend you get rid of them the next time you have
your tires off or sooner.
>The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never seen this happen to any other
brand of tube.
>Of course it happened at a rather inconvenient time, I was landing at Brown Field,
coming back from Mexico, when you are not supposed to get out the the aircraft
until the customs agent authorizes... I limped off the runway, pulled the
wheel pant, and then limped to the customs box... fun fun.
>Fly Safe,
>
>Bill JudgeN84WJ, RV-8, 1103 hrshttp://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
All of the talc in the world will not prevent an inner tube leak if there i
s dirt/sand/stickers/grass/rocks/etc between the tube and tire. Even a smal
l grain of sand will cause a leak.=C2- Imagine the pressure between the t
ube and tire and then add the punishment of high speed taxi/takoffs, brakin
g and landings.=C2-
Steve
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:07 AM, Ralph E. Capen <recapen@earth
link.net> wrote:
And I had used talc.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jan 21, 2015 11:48 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash
>
>
>I had a flat once on landing rollout - ended up being caused by a sticker
inside the tire rubbing the tube.=C2- I first thought the tube was junk -
until I saw the wear pattern and the respective sticker....
>
>Might not be your case here - but I thought I would share my failure mode.
....
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: Bill Judge
>
>Sent: Jan 21, 2015 11:12 AM
>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
>Subject: RV-List: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash
>
>
>Folks,I just got a second flat and the culprit was again the leakguard inn
er tube. If you're using these I recommend you get rid of them the next tim
e you have your tires off or sooner.
>The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never seen this happen to any
other brand of tube.
>Of course it happened at a rather inconvenient time, I was landing at Brow
n Field, coming back from Mexico, when you are not supposed to get out the
the aircraft until the customs agent authorizes... I limped off the runway,
pulled the wheel pant, and then limped to the customs box... fun fun.
>Fly Safe,
>
>Bill JudgeN84WJ, RV-8, 1103 hrshttp://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>
>
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
In my (limited) experience, a tube will only wear through if assembled
without talc or was underinflated.
I talc everything .... tube, inside of tire and even the wheel hub.
Extra talc on the tire bead will make tire removal much easier down the
road ... er ... airway :-D .
Linn
On 1/21/2015 11:12 AM, Bill Judge wrote:
> Folks,
> I just got a second flat and the culprit was again the leakguard inner
> tube. If you're using these I recommend you get rid of them the next
> time you have your tires off or sooner.
>
> The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never seen this happen to
> any other brand of tube.
>
> Of course it happened at a rather inconvenient time, I was landing at
> Brown Field, coming back from Mexico, when you are not supposed to get
> out the the aircraft until the customs agent authorizes... I limped
> off the runway, pulled the wheel pant, and then limped to the customs
> box... fun fun.
>
> Fly Safe,
>
>
> Bill Judge
> N84WJ, RV-8, 1103 hrs
> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
Had the exact same problem a few years ago with the Dresser No Leaks. 2 of t
hem let go on landings (about a month apart). One split on a seam, the othe
r had cracks like it was
old rubber and very poor quality. I don't buy Dresser tubes anymore. Mitchel
in much better quality.
7A 7WT
Sent from my I doohickey
> On Jan 21, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> In my (limited) experience, a tube will only wear through if assembled wit
hout talc or was underinflated.
> I talc everything .... tube, inside of tire and even the wheel hub. Extra
talc on the tire bead will make tire removal much easier down the road ... e
r ... airway :-D .
> Linn
>
>
>> On 1/21/2015 11:12 AM, Bill Judge wrote:
>> Folks,
>> I just got a second flat and the culprit was again the leakguard inner tu
be. If you're using these I recommend you get rid of them the next time you h
ave your tires off or sooner.
>>
>> The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never seen this happen to any
other brand of tube.
>>
>> Of course it happened at a rather inconvenient time, I was landing at Bro
wn Field, coming back from Mexico, when you are not supposed to get out the t
he aircraft until the customs agent authorizes... I limped off the runway, p
ulled the wheel pant, and then limped to the customs box... fun fun.
>>
>> Fly Safe,
>>
>>
>> Bill Judge
>> N84WJ, RV-8, 1103 hrs
>> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> 01/21/15
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
What Linn said, but more so. I have over 1200 hours on a set of leakguard t
ubes that have been through three sets of tires so far. Use copious amounts
of talc, in my case plain ole' baby powder on all surfaces, always very sl
ightly inflate the tube before mating the wheel halves to make certain that
the tube is straight in the tire with no folds or kinks, even wiggle it ar
ound to make sure, then deflate just enough to mate the wheel halves, makin
g certain that the tube doesn't get pinched between the wheel halves. With
all the talc you should have spread on the tube and inside the tire casing
the tube moves around easily. After the bolts are tight, partially inflate
the tube again and bounce it on the floor a couple of times to again make s
ure the tube has no kinks or folds, then deflate once more and do it again
for good measure before finally inflating to your desired pressure. Takes a
few minutes longer but sure beats flat tires.
BTW, with my leakguards my tires lose one psi or less in six or eight weeks
.
Harry Crosby
RV-6, coming up on 1300 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linn Walters" <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:48:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash
In my (limited) experience, a tube will only wear through if assembled with
out talc or was underinflated.
I talc everything .... tube, inside of tire and even the wheel hub. Extra t
alc on the tire bead will make tire removal much easier down the road ... e
r ... airway :-D .
Linn
On 1/21/2015 11:12 AM, Bill Judge wrote:
Folks,
I just got a second flat and the culprit was again the leakguard inner tube
. If you're using these I recommend you get rid of them the next time you h
ave your tires off or sooner.
The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never seen this happen to any o
ther brand of tube.
Of course it happened at a rather inconvenient time, I was landing at Brown
Field, coming back from Mexico, when you are not supposed to get out the t
he aircraft until the customs agent authorizes... I limped off the runway,
pulled the wheel pant, and then limped to the customs box... fun fun.
Fly Safe,
Bill Judge
N84WJ, RV-8, 1103 hrs
http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
01/21/15
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| Subject: | Re: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
Just to expand .... pun intended .... when the valve core is removed I
inflate/deflate the tube often using my air gun to prevent folds that
Harry talks about. One other problem I've seen are the wrong size tube
installed .... both too small and too big. Happens a lot when the plane
uses 5.00-5 on the nose and 6.00-6 on the mains. Not all that hard to
switch tubes.
Linn
On 1/21/2015 7:29 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
> What Linn said, but more so. I have over 1200 hours on a set of
> leakguard tubes that have been through three sets of tires so far.
> Use copious amounts of talc, in my case plain ole' baby powder on all
> surfaces, always very slightly inflate the tube before mating the
> wheel halves to make certain that the tube is straight in the tire
> with no folds or kinks, even wiggle it around to make sure, then
> deflate just enough to mate the wheel halves, making certain that the
> tube doesn't get pinched between the wheel halves. With all the talc
> you should have spread on the tube and inside the tire casing the tube
> moves around easily. After the bolts are tight, partially inflate the
> tube again and bounce it on the floor a couple of times to again make
> sure the tube has no kinks or folds, then deflate once more and do it
> again for good measure before finally inflating to your desired
> pressure. Takes a few minutes longer but sure beats flat tires.
>
> BTW, with my leakguards my tires lose one psi or less in six or eight
> weeks.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6, coming up on 1300 hours
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Linn Walters" <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
> *To: *"RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:48:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: RV-List: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash
>
> In my (limited) experience, a tube will only wear through if assembled
> without talc or was underinflated.
> I talc everything .... tube, inside of tire and even the wheel hub.
> Extra talc on the tire bead will make tire removal much easier down
> the road ... er ... airway :-D .
> Linn
>
>
> On 1/21/2015 11:12 AM, Bill Judge wrote:
>
> Folks,
> I just got a second flat and the culprit was again the leakguard
> inner tube. If you're using these I recommend you get rid of them
> the next time you have your tires off or sooner.
>
> The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never seen this happen
> to any other brand of tube.
>
> Of course it happened at a rather inconvenient time, I was landing
> at Brown Field, coming back from Mexico, when you are not supposed
> to get out the the aircraft until the customs agent authorizes...
> I limped off the runway, pulled the wheel pant, and then limped to
> the customs box... fun fun.
>
> Fly Safe,
>
>
> Bill Judge
> N84WJ, RV-8, 1103 hrs
> http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
>
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| Subject: | Leakguard tubes belong in the trash |
Been running Michelim Air Stop tubes since May 2005. Almost 1=2C300 flight
hours on the tubes according to log and not sure how many tires without go
ing through the log more. Also using plain old baby talc with procedures a
nd service like Harry Crosby. Looks like I had 1=2C671 hours on the tubes
that Van provided. They needed air once a month.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C
2=2C954+ Flying Hours Pennsylvania=2C USA
From: flying-nut@cfl.rr.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Leakguard tubes belong in the trash
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Just to expand .... pun intended ....=0A
when the valve core is removed I inflate/deflate the tube often=0A
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other problem I've seen are the wrong size tube installed ....=0A
both too small and too big. Happens a lot when the plane uses=0A
5.00-5 on the nose and 6.00-6 on the mains. Not all that hard to=0A
switch tubes.
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have over 1200 hours on a set of leakguard tubes that have=0A
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always very slightly inflate the tube before mating the wheel=0A
halves to make certain that the tube is straight in the tire=0A
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then deflate just enough to mate the wheel halves=2C making=0A
certain that the tube doesn't get pinched between the wheel=0A
halves. With all the talc you should have spread on the tube=0A
and inside the tire casing the tube moves around easily. =0A
After the bolts are tight=2C partially inflate the tube again=0A
and bounce it on the floor a couple of times to again make=0A
sure the tube has no kinks or folds=2C then deflate once more=0A
and do it again for good measure before finally inflating to=0A
your desired pressure. Takes a few minutes longer but sure=0A
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In my (limited) experience=2C a=0A
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wheel hub. Extra talc on the tire bead will make tire=0A
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On 1/21/2015 11:12 AM=2C Bill Judge wrote:
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I just got a second flat and the culprit was again=0A
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your tires off or sooner.=0A
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The tube just wore through and leaked. I've never=0A
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I was landing at Brown Field=2C coming back from Mexico=2C
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when you are not supposed to get out the the aircraft=0A
until the customs agent authorizes... I limped off the=0A
runway=2C pulled the wheel pant=2C and then limped to the
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customs box... fun fun.=0A
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Fly Safe=2C=0A
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