Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 05:06 AM - re anual C I ()
2. 05:42 AM - Re: re anual C I (Thomas Doran)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: Oil change times (Gary A. Sobek)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Oil change times (Gary A. Sobek)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: re annual C I (Carl Froehlich)
6. 07:26 AM - Re: re annual C I (Bob Collins)
7. 08:15 AM - Re: re annual C I (Kelly McMullen)
8. 08:19 AM - Re: re annual C I (Gary A. Sobek)
9. 08:51 AM - Re: re annual C I (John Trollinger)
10. 09:14 AM - Re: re annual C I (Carl Froehlich)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again, maybe
? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and does the
logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr comparison) W
hat advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, or would you adv
ise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Heathco
---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: re anual C I |
On my RV-8A (IO-360), I change oil based on calendar time (4 months) or
run time (25 hrs), whichever occurs first. I consider this a cheap inv
estment to protect a $20k engine. I also always change the filter, prim
arily to do a check of the element for metal. I also get an oil analysi
s.
I also use Camguard.
Pulling the cowl each four months also affords the opportunity to inspec
t the entire engine compartment. I almost always find something that ne
eds tightening or securing.
I may be weird, but I enjoy working not the bird almost as much as flyin
g.
Just my 2 cents.
Tom
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 8:05 AM, cheathco@cox.net wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again,
maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and d
oes the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr co
mparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, or
would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Hea
thco
>
>
> <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
>
========================
============
ronics.com/Navigator?RV-List>
========================
============
========================
============
s.com/contribution>
========================
============
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
____________________________________________________________
Old School Yearbook Pics
View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School & Year. Look Now!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55782f398f2092f3944a0st01duc
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Oil change times |
Here is an article on Aircraft Engine Oil change intervals.
http://generalaviationnews.com/2004/12/24/the-no-1-question-of-oil-experts-how-often-should-oil-be-changed/
Lycoming recommends 25-hours with a screen and 50-hours with a spin on
filter or a maximum of 4-months between changes.
My experience with my GMC that I was only driving about 100 mile per
month over a 3-year period, had the valves start making noise when it
was cold. Oil changed fixed the problem. This is an example of where
oil change based on time interval is needed. Does it apply to aircraft
engines?
I recommend following the manufacturers recommendation on oil changes.
Oil and filter is a small cost compared to the cost of the engine or
engine work. If we are having a hard time paying for oil and filter
every 4 months, it is time to get rid of the airplane as it calls into
question if we should be flying an aircraft we own at all
On 06-10-2015 8:05 AM, cheathco@cox.net wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again,
> maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and
> does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr
> comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not
> filter, or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance,
> Charlie Heathco
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
>
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Oil change times |
Here is an article on Aircraft Engine Oil change intervals.
http://generalaviationnews.com/2004/12/24/the-no-1-question-of-oil-experts-how-often-should-oil-be-changed/
Lycoming recommends 25-hours with a screen and 50-hours with a spin on
filter or a maximum of 4-months between changes.
My experience with my GMC that I was only driving about 100 mile per
month over a 3-year period, had the valves start making noise when it
was cold. Oil changed fixed the problem. This is an example of where
oil change based on time interval is needed. Does it apply to aircraft
engines?
I recommend following the manufacturers recommendation on oil changes.
Oil and filter is a small cost compared to the cost of the engine or
engine work. If we are having a hard time paying for oil and filter
every 4 months, it is time to get rid of the airplane as it calls into
question if we should be flying an aircraft we own at all
On 06-10-2015 8:05 AM, cheathco@cox.net wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again,
> maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and
> does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr
> comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not
> filter, or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance,
> Charlie Heathco
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
>
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
You cannot do the conditional inspection an log "I certify that this
aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the scope
and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a condition for
safe operation" without doing the oil change and filter inspection.
See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).
Carl
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cheathco@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
Subject: RV-List: re anual C I
Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again, maybe?
I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and does the
logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr comparison)
What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, or would you
advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Heathco
_____
<https://www.avast.com/antivirus> Avast logo
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I think we=92ll get a debate going here, because Part 43 does not apply
to:
=93(1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental
certificate,
unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of airworthiness
certificate for that aircraft; or
(2) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental
certificate
under the provisions of =A721.191 (i)(3) of this chapter, and the
aircraft was
previously issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport
category under the provisions of =A721.190 of this chapter.=94
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: re annual C I
You cannot do the conditional inspection an log =93I certify that this
aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the
scope
and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a condition
for
safe operation=94 without doing the oil change and filter inspection.
See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).
Carl
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cheathco@cox.net
<mailto:cheathco@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
Subject: RV-List: re anual C I
Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again,
maybe?
I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and does the
logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr
comparison)
What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, or would you
advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Heathco
_____
<https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: re annual C I |
Not much of a debate. It is in the standard operating limitations..which
not everyone has, but in general you must use a checklist for your
condition inspection that at a minimum includes everything in Part 43,
Appendix D.
The inspection is the same as type certified aircraft. Only the wording
and who can do it are different.
Kelly
On 6/10/2015 7:25 AM, Bob Collins wrote:
>
> I think well get a debate going here, because Part 43 does not apply to:
>
> (1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental
> certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of
> airworthiness certificate for that aircraft; or
>
> (2) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental
> certificate under the provisions of 21.191 (i)(3) of this chapter,
> and the aircraft was previously issued a special airworthiness
> certificate in the light-sport category under the provisions of
> 21.190 of this chapter.
>
> *From:*owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Froehlich
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:11 AM
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV-List: re annual C I
>
> You cannot do the conditional inspection an log I certify that this
> aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the
> scope and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a
> condition for safe operation without doing the oil change and filter
> inspection.
>
> See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).
>
> Carl
>
> //
>
> *From:*owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *cheathco@cox.net <mailto:cheathco@cox.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
> *To:* RV-List Digest Server
> *Subject:* RV-List: re anual C I
>
> Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again,
> maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and
> does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr
> comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not
> filter, or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance,
> Charlie Heathco
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
>
>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
> * *
> * *
> * *
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List*
> * *
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
> * *
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> * *
> * *
> * *
> * *
> **
> **
> **
> **
> **
> **
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List*
> **
> **
> **
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
> **
> **
> **
> **
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> **
> * *
> *
>
>
> *
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: re annual C I |
BUT the Operating Limitations that were issued with the 8130-7 Special
Airworthiness Certificate says:
>
> Condition inspections must be recorded in the aircraft maintenance
> records showing the following=2C or a similarly worded=2C statement:
>
> *=93I certify that this aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in
> accordance with the scope and detail of 14 CFR part 43 appendix D=2C and
> was found to be in a condition for safe operation.=94*
>
> **
>
> The entry will include the aircraft=92s total time-in-service=2C and the
> name=2C signature=2C certificate number=2C and type of certificate held b
y
> the person performing the inspection.
43 Appendix D part (d)(3) says nothing about oil change.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgFAR.nsf/0/F7054277E4
C9DC9586257913006500B2?OpenDocument
> (d) Each person performing an annual or 100-hour inspection shall
> inspect (where applicable) components of the engine and nacelle group
> as follows:
> (3) Internal engine--for cylinder compression and for metal particles
> or foreign matter on screens and sump drain plugs. If there is weak
> cylinder compression=2C for improper internal condition and improper
> internal tolerances.
IF the owner operator recently did an oil change and the Repairman / A&P
was not around to witness=2C the oil could be returned to the engine after
the pickup screen is inspected. The pickup screen inspection would
remove all the oil out of the engine. The cost for the labor to do the
task in this manor could approach the price of new oil.
On 06-10-2015 10:25 AM=2C Bob Collins wrote:
>
> I think we=92ll get a debate going here=2C because Part 43 does not apply
to:
>
> =93(1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental
> certificate=2C unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of
> airworthiness certificate for that aircraft=3B or
>
> (2) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental
> certificate under the provisions of =A721.191 (i)(3) of this chapter=2C
> and the aircraft was previously issued a special airworthiness
> certificate in the light-sport category under the provisions of
> =A721.190 of this chapter.=94
>
> *From:*owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Froehlich
> *Sent:* Wednesday=2C June 10=2C 2015 8:11 AM
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV-List: re annual C I
>
> You cannot do the conditional inspection an log =93I certify that this
> aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the
> scope and detail of Appendix D to Part 43=2C and was found to be in a
> condition for safe operation=94 without doing the oil change and filter
> inspection.
>
> See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).
>
> Carl
>
> //
>
> *From:*owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *cheathco@cox.net <mailto:cheathco@cox.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday=2C June 10=2C 2015 8:06 AM
> *To:* RV-List Digest Server
> *Subject:* RV-List: re anual C I
>
> Thanks for all the replies=2C I anticipated the answer=2C but then again
=2C
> maybe? I have been doing most of it=2C then my A&P finishes with me and
> does the logs. Now=2C re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr
> comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not
> filter=2C or would you advise=2C not even changing oil? Thanks in advance
=2C
> Charlie Heathco
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
>
>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
> * *
> * *
> * *
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List*
> * *
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
> * *
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> * *
> * *
> * *
> * *
> **
> **
> **
> **
> **
> **
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List*
> **
> **
> **
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
> **
> **
> **
> **
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> **
> * *
> *
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
> *
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: re annual C I |
Looking at Part 43, I do not see where it requires an oil change? It only
mentions oil twice and neither time does it refer to changing the oil.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net
>
wrote:
> You cannot do the conditional inspection an log =9CI certify that t
his
> aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the scope
> and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a condition f
or
> safe operation=9D without doing the oil change and filter inspectio
n.
>
>
> See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).
>
>
> Carl
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *cheathco@cox.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
> *To:* RV-List Digest Server
> *Subject:* RV-List: re anual C I
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again,
> maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and do
es
> the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr
> comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, o
r
> would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Heath
co
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List <http://www.matronics.com/Nav
igator?RV-List>*
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>*
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribu
tion>*
>
>
> *
>
===========
ics.com/Navigator?RV-List>
===========
===========
om/contribution>
===========
>
> *
>
>
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Good point =93 but it does say to look at screens and such for
metal particles or foreign matter. I guess you can do this without
changing the oil or you can drain the oil and reuse it. I=99d
offer that the pain and mess to do either is not worth it.
I also read this as needing to cut open the oil filter to look for metal
particles. Other may disagree.
So =93 while not optimal ground run the engine to get the oil temp
up and just change the oil and filter.
Carl
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Trollinger
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: re annual C I
Looking at Part 43, I do not see where it requires an oil change? It
only mentions oil twice and neither time does it refer to changing the
oil.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Carl Froehlich
<carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
You cannot do the conditional inspection an log =9CI certify that
this aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the
scope and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a
condition for safe operation=9D without doing the oil change and
filter inspection.
See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).
Carl
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cheathco@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
Subject: RV-List: re anual C I
Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again,
maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and
does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr
comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter,
or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie
Heathco
_____
<https://www.avast.com/antivirus> Avast logo
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|