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1. 11:13 AM - Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Matt Dralle)
2. 12:16 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Stein Bruch)
3. 12:48 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (John Jessen)
4. 01:26 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Dean Pichon)
5. 02:38 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Matt Dralle)
6. 03:00 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Ace Pilot)
7. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (HCRV6@comcast.net)
8. 04:37 PM - Re: Avionics-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (bigdog@bentwing.com)
9. 04:45 PM - Re: Wag Aero springs was Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Charles Kuss)
10. 06:23 PM - Re: Wag Aero springs was Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Linn Walters)
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| Subject: | Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both
the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order
up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on
the RV-6.
I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following:
Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option
is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge
will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic!
That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a
company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
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Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
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| Subject: | Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
This doesn't sound right. Sounds to me like someone just didn't want to deal
with you (and it likely wasn't Garmin in this case). I don't know what or
how you handled yourself, but sometimes you'll get more with honey than with
vinegar - or perhaps the person you spoke with perhaps was slightly
mis-informed.
To be blunt, the lenses should be readily available (at least they were last
time we got some). I'm sorry they aren't a $4 piece of plexi (there is some
fancy schmancy coatings on them and such), but the GTX lens is around $26
and I think the SL lens around $65.
My recommendation would be to calm down a bit, sit back and take a breath
before indicting Garmin in their entirety based on a conversation with one
person.
Not defending anyone or indicting or flaming anyone, but your experience
just sounds like we don't have the "whole story".....might I humbly suggest
that before blasting this to every list you manage that you perhaps speak to
someone else first (or maybe even Garmin directly)?
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:11 PM
Subject: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases
In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens
of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll
just order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King
KX-125 on the RV-6.
I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the
following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only
option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the
MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4
pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business
with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
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Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
Yep. I got the same message for a $0.50 part for my SL-30. I just wanted the
part. It can be replaced without opening the unit. Amazing arrogance.
> On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>
> In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of
both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just
order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125
on the RV-6.
>
> I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the
following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option
is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM
charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic!
That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
>
> I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with
a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
>
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
>
> Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
> Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
> Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
> For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
A year ago=2C I replaced the lens on my SL-60. Garmin sold it to me for $2
0 or so. In May=2C I learned that after June 30=2C they will no longer ser
vice the SL-60 and a number of other SL products (-50=2C -60=2C -70). I be
grudgingly sent my (working) radio to Garmin and paid $550 for a flat rate
repair. I hope this (expensive) step gives me a few more years before my r
adio becomes worthless. It is very frustrating that Garmin will no longer
work on it and no one else can.
> Date: Wed=2C 17 Jun 2015 11:10:36 -0700
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> From: dralle@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases
>
>
> In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently=2C I managed to get a scratch in the l
ens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie=2C I thought
=2C I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in=2C much like I did o
n the King KX-125 on the RV-6.
>
> I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told
the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup=2C you hear that right. M
y only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and
the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two
$4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly=2C criminal behav
ior.
>
> I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business
with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
>
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
>
> Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
> Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
> Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
> For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
Before making my original post, I had contacted two different Avionics shops and
received the exact same story, so I didn't base my findings on a single vendor.
I have subsequently contacted Garmin directly and was told that the parts
are in fact orderable by dealers. But, when those same avionics dealers call the
Garmin parts department they are told they are not allowed to order those parts.
So, something is definitely not quite lining up here. I guess I apologize
to the community for venting my frustration with this process, but this really
shouldn't be this difficult. I will follow up with more information on this
debacle as it hopefully progresses.
Btw, the lens part number for the SL-30 is 308-3201-42 and the lens for the GTX-327
is 470-00034-00.
Matt
At 11:10 AM 6/17/2015 Wednesday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of
both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just
order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on
the RV-6.
>
>I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following:
Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option
is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge
will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic!
That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
>
>I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with
a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
>
>
>-
>Matt Dralle
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
I'm kind of going through the same thing with Wag Aero here in
Wisconsin. I need replacement landing gear springs, but all they sell
is a "kit" with the springs AND gear leg blanks. I do NOT intend to
build a whole new landing gear...my legs are fine...just the srpings are
shot. What a CROCK when a company will not sell replacement parts for
"complete assemblies" they sell. Chaps my a$$ (ie, $300 just to get a
set of springs)...
Ace
On 6/17/2015 6:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>
> In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of
both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just
order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125
on the RV-6.
>
> I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the
following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option
is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM
charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic!
That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
>
> I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with
a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
>
> Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
> Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
> Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
> For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
Matt,
No apology required or warranted, the only way suppliers will learn to treat their
customers decently and to get their own house in order if that's the problem
here, is to broadcast this kind of outrageous policy to the entire customer
community. Maybe an abrupt drop in sales will get their attention. I for one
just eliminated the G3X from consideration for my future panel upgrade unless
this kind of BS ceases.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 1286 hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:36:32 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases
Before making my original post, I had contacted two different Avionics shops and
received the exact same story, so I didn't base my findings on a single vendor.
I have subsequently contacted Garmin directly and was told that the parts
are in fact orderable by dealers. But, when those same avionics dealers call the
Garmin parts department they are told they are not allowed to order those parts.
So, something is definitely not quite lining up here. I guess I apologize
to the community for venting my frustration with this process, but this really
shouldn't be this difficult. I will follow up with more information on this
debacle as it hopefully progresses.
Btw, the lens part number for the SL-30 is 308-3201-42 and the lens for the GTX-327
is 470-00034-00.
Matt
At 11:10 AM 6/17/2015 Wednesday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of
both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just
order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on
the RV-6.
>
>I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following:
Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option
is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge
will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic!
That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
>
>I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with
a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
>
>
>-
>Matt Dralle
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
A few years ago I was able to get lenses for an SL-30 and SL-70. I went through
Avionics Unlimited in Conroe, TX. (936) 788-7333. Talk to Johnny Blain. IIRC
they were about $60 each. Yeah, that seems high but I hear Bendix charges $120
for theirs. The new ones were actually nicer than my originals circa 2001. They
have the adhesive built in and install nicely once the old lens is pried off
and the old adhesive cleaned off.
Regards,
Greg Young
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:39 PM
Subject: Avionics-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases
--> Avionics-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Before making my original post, I had contacted two different Avionics shops and
received the exact same story, so I didn't base my findings on a single vendor.
I have subsequently contacted Garmin directly and was told that the parts
are in fact orderable by dealers. But, when those same avionics dealers call the
Garmin parts department they are told they are not allowed to order those parts.
So, something is definitely not quite lining up here. I guess I apologize
to the community for venting my frustration with this process, but this really
shouldn't be this difficult. I will follow up with more information on this
debacle as it hopefully progresses.
Btw, the lens part number for the SL-30 is 308-3201-42 and the lens for the GTX-327
is 470-00034-00.
Matt
At 11:13 AM 6/17/2015 Wednesday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of
both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just
order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on
the RV-6.
>
>I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following:
Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option
is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge
will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic!
That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
>
>I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with
a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
>
>-
>Matt Dralle
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport.
Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wag Aero springs was Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
Ace,
I would suggest you take your old units to a local spring manufacturer, OR try
to source equivalent units from either MSC or McMaster-Carr.
Charlie
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/17/15, Ace Pilot <acepilot@bloomer.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2015, 5:59 PM
I'm kind of going through the same thing with Wag
Aero here in
Wisconsin. I need replacement landing gear
springs, but all they
sell is a "kit" with the springs AND gear leg
blanks. I do NOT
intend to build a whole new landing gear...my legs are
fine...just
the srpings are shot. What a CROCK when a company
will not sell
replacement parts for "complete assemblies"
they sell. Chaps my a$$
(ie, $300 just to get a set of springs)...
Ace
On 6/17/2015 6:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a
scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin
GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a
replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King
KX-125 on the RV-6.
I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts
and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens.
Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both
units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the
MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to
replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous!
Frankly, criminal behavior.
I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to
do business with a company that treats their customers this
way. Unacceptable.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8
Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV
YouTube Channel
Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com -
Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the
Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions.
Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wag Aero springs was Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
My first thought, and I'm sure Ace has been down this path .... you
really don't know the springs compression value ..... it's now less than
when new .... or the rate ..... so trying to make or source one becomes
problematical.
I'm going to guess that Wag Aero doesn't build the gear/springs
themselves but contracts with an outside source. If you can find them,
then you'd have a better chance of getting just the springs.
Linn
On 6/17/2015 7:44 PM, Charles Kuss wrote:
>
> Ace,
> I would suggest you take your old units to a local spring manufacturer, OR
try to source equivalent units from either MSC or McMaster-Carr.
> Charlie
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 6/17/15, Ace Pilot <acepilot@bloomer.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2015, 5:59 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm kind of going through the same thing with Wag
> Aero here in
> Wisconsin. I need replacement landing gear
> springs, but all they
> sell is a "kit" with the springs AND gear leg
> blanks. I do NOT
> intend to build a whole new landing gear...my legs are
> fine...just
> the srpings are shot. What a CROCK when a company
> will not sell
> replacement parts for "complete assemblies"
> they sell. Chaps my a$$
> (ie, $300 just to get a set of springs)...
>
>
>
> Ace
>
>
>
> On 6/17/2015 6:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a
> scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin
> GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a
> replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King
> KX-125 on the RV-6.
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> I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts
> and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens.
> Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both
> units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the
> MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to
> replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous!
> Frankly, criminal behavior.
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> I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to
> do business with a company that treats their customers this
> way. Unacceptable.
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> Matt Dralle
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> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8
> Construction Log
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> YouTube Channel
> Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
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> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
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> Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
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