---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/17/15: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:13 AM - Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Matt Dralle) 2. 12:16 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Stein Bruch) 3. 12:48 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (John Jessen) 4. 01:26 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Dean Pichon) 5. 02:38 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Matt Dralle) 6. 03:00 PM - Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Ace Pilot) 7. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (HCRV6@comcast.net) 8. 04:37 PM - Re: Avionics-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases (bigdog@bentwing.com) 9. 04:45 PM - Re: Wag Aero springs was Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Charles Kuss) 10. 06:23 PM - Re: Wag Aero springs was Reconsider Garmin Purchases (Linn Walters) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:16 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on the RV-6. I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior. I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:56 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases This doesn't sound right. Sounds to me like someone just didn't want to deal with you (and it likely wasn't Garmin in this case). I don't know what or how you handled yourself, but sometimes you'll get more with honey than with vinegar - or perhaps the person you spoke with perhaps was slightly mis-informed. To be blunt, the lenses should be readily available (at least they were last time we got some). I'm sorry they aren't a $4 piece of plexi (there is some fancy schmancy coatings on them and such), but the GTX lens is around $26 and I think the SL lens around $65. My recommendation would be to calm down a bit, sit back and take a breath before indicting Garmin in their entirety based on a conversation with one person. Not defending anyone or indicting or flaming anyone, but your experience just sounds like we don't have the "whole story".....might I humbly suggest that before blasting this to every list you manage that you perhaps speak to someone else first (or maybe even Garmin directly)? Cheers, Stein -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:11 PM Subject: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on the RV-6. I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior. I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases From: John Jessen Yep. I got the same message for a $0.50 part for my SL-30. I just wanted the part. It can be replaced without opening the unit. Amazing arrogance. > On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > > In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on the RV-6. > > I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior. > > I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable. > > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! > > Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! > Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore > Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! > For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:45 PM PST US From: Dean Pichon Subject: RE: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases A year ago=2C I replaced the lens on my SL-60. Garmin sold it to me for $2 0 or so. In May=2C I learned that after June 30=2C they will no longer ser vice the SL-60 and a number of other SL products (-50=2C -60=2C -70). I be grudgingly sent my (working) radio to Garmin and paid $550 for a flat rate repair. I hope this (expensive) step gives me a few more years before my r adio becomes worthless. It is very frustrating that Garmin will no longer work on it and no one else can. > Date: Wed=2C 17 Jun 2015 11:10:36 -0700 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > From: dralle@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases > > > In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently=2C I managed to get a scratch in the l ens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie=2C I thought =2C I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in=2C much like I did o n the King KX-125 on the RV-6. > > I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup=2C you hear that right. M y only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly=2C criminal behav ior. > > I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable. > > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! > > Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! > Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore > Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! > For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:04 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases Before making my original post, I had contacted two different Avionics shops and received the exact same story, so I didn't base my findings on a single vendor. I have subsequently contacted Garmin directly and was told that the parts are in fact orderable by dealers. But, when those same avionics dealers call the Garmin parts department they are told they are not allowed to order those parts. So, something is definitely not quite lining up here. I guess I apologize to the community for venting my frustration with this process, but this really shouldn't be this difficult. I will follow up with more information on this debacle as it hopefully progresses. Btw, the lens part number for the SL-30 is 308-3201-42 and the lens for the GTX-327 is 470-00034-00. Matt At 11:10 AM 6/17/2015 Wednesday, Matt Dralle wrote: >In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on the RV-6. > >I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior. > >I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable. > > >- >Matt Dralle - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:41 PM PST US From: Ace Pilot Subject: Re: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases I'm kind of going through the same thing with Wag Aero here in Wisconsin. I need replacement landing gear springs, but all they sell is a "kit" with the springs AND gear leg blanks. I do NOT intend to build a whole new landing gear...my legs are fine...just the srpings are shot. What a CROCK when a company will not sell replacement parts for "complete assemblies" they sell. Chaps my a$$ (ie, $300 just to get a set of springs)... Ace On 6/17/2015 6:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on the RV-6. > > I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior. > > I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable. > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! > > Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! > Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore > Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! > For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com > > -- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:20 PM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases Matt, No apology required or warranted, the only way suppliers will learn to treat their customers decently and to get their own house in order if that's the problem here, is to broadcast this kind of outrageous policy to the entire customer community. Maybe an abrupt drop in sales will get their attention. I for one just eliminated the G3X from consideration for my future panel upgrade unless this kind of BS ceases. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 1286 hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:36:32 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases Before making my original post, I had contacted two different Avionics shops and received the exact same story, so I didn't base my findings on a single vendor. I have subsequently contacted Garmin directly and was told that the parts are in fact orderable by dealers. But, when those same avionics dealers call the Garmin parts department they are told they are not allowed to order those parts. So, something is definitely not quite lining up here. I guess I apologize to the community for venting my frustration with this process, but this really shouldn't be this difficult. I will follow up with more information on this debacle as it hopefully progresses. Btw, the lens part number for the SL-30 is 308-3201-42 and the lens for the GTX-327 is 470-00034-00. Matt At 11:10 AM 6/17/2015 Wednesday, Matt Dralle wrote: >In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on the RV-6. > >I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior. > >I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable. > > >- >Matt Dralle - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:48 PM PST US From: "bigdog@bentwing.com" Subject: RV-List: RE: Avionics-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases A few years ago I was able to get lenses for an SL-30 and SL-70. I went through Avionics Unlimited in Conroe, TX. (936) 788-7333. Talk to Johnny Blain. IIRC they were about $60 each. Yeah, that seems high but I hear Bendix charges $120 for theirs. The new ones were actually nicer than my originals circa 2001. They have the adhesive built in and install nicely once the old lens is pried off and the old adhesive cleaned off. Regards, Greg Young -----Original Message----- From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:39 PM Subject: Avionics-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases --> Avionics-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Before making my original post, I had contacted two different Avionics shops and received the exact same story, so I didn't base my findings on a single vendor. I have subsequently contacted Garmin directly and was told that the parts are in fact orderable by dealers. But, when those same avionics dealers call the Garmin parts department they are told they are not allowed to order those parts. So, something is definitely not quite lining up here. I guess I apologize to the community for venting my frustration with this process, but this really shouldn't be this difficult. I will follow up with more information on this debacle as it hopefully progresses. Btw, the lens part number for the SL-30 is 308-3201-42 and the lens for the GTX-327 is 470-00034-00. Matt At 11:13 AM 6/17/2015 Wednesday, Matt Dralle wrote: >In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on the RV-6. > >I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior. > >I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable. > >- >Matt Dralle - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:47 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Wag Aero springs was Reconsider Garmin Purchases Ace, I would suggest you take your old units to a local spring manufacturer, OR try to source equivalent units from either MSC or McMaster-Carr. Charlie -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 6/17/15, Ace Pilot wrote: Subject: Re: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases To: rv-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2015, 5:59 PM I'm kind of going through the same thing with Wag Aero here in Wisconsin. I need replacement landing gear springs, but all they sell is a "kit" with the springs AND gear leg blanks. I do NOT intend to build a whole new landing gear...my legs are fine...just the srpings are shot. What a CROCK when a company will not sell replacement parts for "complete assemblies" they sell. Chaps my a$$ (ie, $300 just to get a set of springs)... Ace On 6/17/2015 6:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on the RV-6. I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior. I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com -- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:18 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Wag Aero springs was Reconsider Garmin Purchases My first thought, and I'm sure Ace has been down this path .... you really don't know the springs compression value ..... it's now less than when new .... or the rate ..... so trying to make or source one becomes problematical. I'm going to guess that Wag Aero doesn't build the gear/springs themselves but contracts with an outside source. If you can find them, then you'd have a better chance of getting just the springs. Linn On 6/17/2015 7:44 PM, Charles Kuss wrote: > > Ace, > I would suggest you take your old units to a local spring manufacturer, OR try to source equivalent units from either MSC or McMaster-Carr. > Charlie > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 6/17/15, Ace Pilot wrote: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2015, 5:59 PM > > > > > > > > I'm kind of going through the same thing with Wag > Aero here in > Wisconsin. I need replacement landing gear > springs, but all they > sell is a "kit" with the springs AND gear leg > blanks. I do NOT > intend to build a whole new landing gear...my legs are > fine...just > the srpings are shot. What a CROCK when a company > will not sell > replacement parts for "complete assemblies" > they sell. Chaps my a$$ > (ie, $300 just to get a set of springs)... > > > > Ace > > > > On 6/17/2015 6:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > > In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a > scratch in the lens of both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin > GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order up a > replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King > KX-125 on the RV-6. > > I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts > and was told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. > Yup, you hear that right. My only option is to return both > units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the > MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to > replace two $4 pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! > Frankly, criminal behavior. > > I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to > do business with a company that treats their customers this > way. Unacceptable. > > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 > Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV > YouTube Channel > Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying! > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - > Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode! > > Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! > Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the > Livermore > Airport. 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