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1. 05:20 AM - Tools (Conti, Rick)
2. 07:09 AM - Re: Clecos (TColeE@aol.com)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Clecos (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
4. 07:45 AM - Re: Clecos (Tim Olson)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: Clecos (Scott Schmidt)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Bruce,
C-frame has worked fine for the tail kit. I will be starting the wings
this week. Also bought extra Clecos, 100 each 3/32 (silver) and 50 each
1/8 (bronze). Highly recommend (almost mandatory) a table top band saw.
Delta 9" is about $100.00, well worth the money.
Nice to have a couple of "extra" counter sink bits on hand. I broke a
3/32 and it held me up for a few days.
Single flute deburring tool. Triple flute leaves a pretty ragged hole.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 872 - 4602
cell: 703 - 472 - 8592
If you're looking for a cute saying....fuhgeddaboudit
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--> RV10-List message posted by: TColeE@aol.com
Bruce; you will need the dimple dies that use a pop rivet to reach the holes
in the foreward elevator skins. I just did mine no big deal. I dont know if
they come in the kit or not. might consider the special bucking bar the reach
the rivets in the trailing edge of the elevators.
Terry E. Cole
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Bruce,
You need as many of the #40 (silver) clecos as you can get. You'll
easily use ~350-400 on the HS and then when you get to the tailcone
you'll need 500+. I also have the Avery C-Frame and the only thing that
I've noticed is that on the VS skin I wasn't able to get to a couple of
the innermost holes to dimple - not a problem, use the pop-rivet dimple
die. FWIW, it appears that there must be a minor dimensional difference
between brands - another builder with the Cleaveland model had no
problem reaching those same holes.
Some other specifics to consider:
- Elevator bucking bar. There is a special bucking bar called out in
the plans when you get to the elevator construction which can be ordered
through either Avery or Cleaveland (or you can make your own). If you
don't have it you'll have to order some extra blind rivets (MK-319 I
think).
- Pneumatic squeezer. I got advice from another builder to just order a
pneumatic squeezer when I got the rest of the tools. I elected to go
the hand squeezer route at first, but I ordered a pneumatic model within
hours of trying one out - huge time saver. Get a set of quick release
pins and the adjustable set (like the hand squeezer) at the same time.
You'll get a lot of conflicting advice on this - try one out and make
your own decision.
- Small cutoff saw for the stringers and longerons. The model that I've
got was only ~$25 from Harbor Freight - much easier to use on long
pieces that don't easily fit in the band saw.
- 4" no hole and longeron yokes. The longeron yoke is used pretty
frequently but the 4" no hole isn't. Buy both if money isn't an issue,
otherwise buy the longeron and borrow the 4".
- Static ports. When you get to the tailcone you'll have to decide what
sort of static ports to put in. Based on recommendations from others I
ordered a set of machined aluminum ports from Cleaveland when I ordered
the special bucking bar. I may decide later to use a heated
pitot/static tube but this preserves the option of using the Van's
specified static port location in case accuracy becomes an issue. Using
the pop rivet style also preserves that option but I prefer the looks of
the machined ports.
Bob #105
In the tailcone, wings shipping any day.
-----Original Message-----
From: BBreckenridge@att.net [mailto:BBreckenridge@att.net]
Subject: RV10-List: Clecos
--> RV10-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
Now that a few of you have started building, what's the tool situation
like? I've got the AVERY
3x kit with a few extra goodies, but am wondering about whether or not
to order up more
clecos or special tools. I'm thinking that I should worry that the
C-Frame dimpler's throat is
too small (but, I haven't lost any sleep yet).
Thanks for any info!
Bruce Breckenridge
40018
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@5000feet.com>
I had posted tools questions on the yahoogroups list, and got the
following advice:
Get some #30, #40, and #12 chucking reamers.
The C-Frame dimpler should work for most holes.
Buy some Ooops rivets.
Oops Rivets
NAS1097AD4-3.5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.20
NAS1097AD4-4 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
NAS1097AD4-5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $15.00
NAS1097AD4-6 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
Buy a Circle cutter.
Get an 1/8" offset rivet set.
I bought the Parker 37 degree rolo-flair flaring tool.
DEFINITELY get the no-hole thin/nose 4" squeezer yoke.
DEFINITELY get the pneumatic squeezer (I can't see being without it)
and I bought mine with the longeron yoke. Also get the adjustable set
holder for the squeezer.
Get the 59010 Hex Adapter for deburring from Avery
Buy a round and flat jewlers file set.
I bought 550 total 3/32 clecos and I think I'll be buying about 150-200
more!!!
I bought 250 1/8 clecos and I'm hearing that that's about right.
So yes, buy more clecos.
Buy extra drill bits.
Make sure you have plenty of scotchbrite pads on hand.
I bought some very fine thin foam type sanding pads...work well
to get in tight slots for deburring.
Get some 400 and 600 grit tough automotive sandpaper.
Buy 2 pair of cleco pliers so your helpers have some too.
Definitely get a dremel tool with the fine sanding drum rolls.
I haven't got them yet but, a tabletop bandsaw and belt sander
sound like they'll be great time savers.
Buy a metal chop saw. Others have bought the small one, but I
got a 14" at harbor freight for $59 because I want to cut lots
of steel later too for other projects.
A desktop drill press can be handy too.
Buy a die-grinder. I have an air powered cutoff hand saw too
that has been used once already.
That should contribute to making you poor. I know it set me
back a bit but it's well worth it for the ease of building.
Tim
BBreckenridge@att.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
>
> Now that a few of you have started building, what's the tool situation like?
I've got the AVERY
> 3x kit with a few extra goodies, but am wondering about whether or not to order
up more
> clecos or special tools. I'm thinking that I should worry that the C-Frame dimpler's
throat is
> too small (but, I haven't lost any sleep yet).
>
> Thanks for any info!
>
> Bruce Breckenridge
> 40018
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@USSynthetic.com>
I just finished the empennage kit and I'm working on the wing. I had about
300 - 400 clecos and ran out while assembling the horizontal stab so I
ordered another 250 or 300 and I'm glad I did. We used almost every one of
them when assembling the fuselage tailcone. You should only need extra #40
clecos. If your C-Frame has the standard depth on it you should be fine.
You have to maneuver the side skins of the fuselage a little to get
everything dimpled. The 3X is great but I would recommend getting the
pneumatic squeezer from Avery. I would never even think of doing this plane
without it. It is a life saver. It is worth twice what it costs especially
when you start squeezing the #4 rivets.
Other musts:
- Belt and disk sander (I have the Delta 9" disk and 6" belt and it works
perfect)
- Band Saw (the $120 Delta works great, I also have a scroll saw which is
great for longer parts but it isn't a must)
- Pneumatic squeezer
- Bench grinder with scotchbrite wheel
- Die grinder with small scotchbrite wheels
- Vise (I got mine at Harbor Freight and it works great)
- Drill press (I have both a floor model and the Delta desk top and so far
we have only used the smaller desk top. It is real hand for machine
countersinking)
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BBreckenridge@att.net
Subject: RV10-List: Clecos
--> RV10-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
Now that a few of you have started building, what's the tool situation like?
I've got the AVERY
3x kit with a few extra goodies, but am wondering about whether or not to
order up more
clecos or special tools. I'm thinking that I should worry that the C-Frame
dimpler's throat is
too small (but, I haven't lost any sleep yet).
Thanks for any info!
Bruce Breckenridge
40018
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