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1. 06:36 AM - Re: rv10 cost to build (Scott Bilinski)
2. 07:25 AM - Re: rv10 cost to build (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
3. 08:33 AM - rv-10 cost to build (Doug Brinlee)
4. 08:49 AM - Re: rv-10 cost to build (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
5. 09:05 AM - Re: RV10-cost to build numbers (PhilWhite9@aol.com)
6. 10:03 AM - Re: rv-10 cost to build (Tim Olson)
7. 02:53 PM - Re: rv-10 cost to build (Scott Schmidt)
8. 03:37 PM - Re: rv-10 cost to build (Scott Schmidt)
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| Subject: | Re: rv10 cost to build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
That much can be spent on a 7 easy, with out even trying. How are you
calculating the numbers?
At 06:07 PM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
>
>Hey RV-10 builders.... I have run the numbers and with a 235hp engine and
>basic avionics I am coming up with 65 to 75k to build a 10... Maybe I am
>dreaming. Any thoughts?? I am getting ready to buy a 7 kit but trying to
>find a way to swing the 10 kit.
>Doug
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
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| Subject: | rv10 cost to build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Doug,
There are certainly tales of folks building 2 place RVs for $30K but it
must require tremendous discipline and luck to do it. I think that the
middle range for 2 place RVs is close to the range that you're thinking
and the kits cost almost $20K less.
It might be helpful to know what price tag you're associating with the
various components for a potential reality check. My own preliminary
planning numbers said that I'd be around $110K with a basic but solid
IFR panel.
Since Van's doesn't have an estimator for an RV-10, here was my original
budget allocation before I started the project:
Kit: $35K
Engine: $30K (Aerosport IO-540-D4A5)
Prop: $4.5K (CS)
Misc FW fwd: $5.5K (includes governor, hoses, fuel pump, baffling,
hardware, etc)
Eng Instruments: $3.7K (ACS 2002 or equiv)
Avionics/gyros: $22K (electric gyros, nav/com, gps/com, TruTrak 2 axis
AP, etc)
Misc Airframe: $2K (lighting, heated pitot, antennae, wire, misc
hardware)
Other Misc: $7K (interior finish, paint, hardware options,
misc electric, misc supplies)
-------------------------------------
Total $109.7K
I would guess that with some work you could find a mid-time engine/prop
and accessories for half of what I budgeted. You could also go with all
steam gauges and a minimal day only VFR bird and reduce those costs.
Based on my track record so far (fuselage kit on its way) I can also say
that at every step of the way it's easy to spend money on "stuff" that
was unplanned.
I've since refined my wish list (and original budget) and will exceed
the above easily. It's best to go into this with your eyes wide open.
Stretching out time for purchase of components is probably more
realistic than assuming REALLY bare bones when trying to fit it into
your budget.
Bob #40105
At 06:07 PM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
>
>Hey RV-10 builders.... I have run the numbers and with a 235hp engine
>and
>basic avionics I am coming up with 65 to 75k to build a 10... Maybe I
am
>dreaming. Any thoughts?? I am getting ready to buy a 7 kit but trying
to
>find a way to swing the 10 kit.
>Doug
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | rv-10 cost to build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
Bob,
Thanks for your cost estimate..sounds more realistic..
I think I should build what I would enjoy most when complete. Even if it takes
6 to 7 years... That is the burning question.. I could do a 7 and be flying
basic VFR in 4 years. Thing is, the kids will be gone and done with college in
5 years. I could build the 10 and take my time,,, do a really nice job, have
the airframe paid for in 4 years then go nuts on the engine and instruments
over the next 3 years...or so...
Just have to decide which plane is best fit...
Wife likes the 10 and says she would help me build that one. I like the 7 for
aerobatics and sporty look.
I will be 50 or so when I get either in the air... The 10 looks like it would be
the best vacation plane..for long trips...
I also have a buddy building a 10 and he is on the 7 year plan..
Got long winded here... take care and thanks for the advise..
Looks like I am leaning toward the 10
Doug
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| Subject: | rv-10 cost to build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Doug,
No problem. You might also join the RV-10 Yahoo group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV10/ - that's where most of the -10
builders seem to be. I went through similar reasoning to yours. Kids
will be out of the house by the time I'm in the air but went for the -10
because I wanted the extra room and reserve payload capacity.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Brinlee
Subject: RV10-List: rv-10 cost to build
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
Bob,
Thanks for your cost estimate..sounds more realistic..
I think I should build what I would enjoy most when complete. Even if
it takes 6 to 7 years... That is the burning question.. I could do a 7
and be flying basic VFR in 4 years. Thing is, the kids will be gone and
done with college in 5 years. I could build the 10 and take my time,,,
do a really nice job, have the airframe paid for in 4 years then go nuts
on the engine and instruments over the next 3 years...or so... Just have
to decide which plane is best fit... Wife likes the 10 and says she
would help me build that one. I like the 7 for aerobatics and sporty
look. I will be 50 or so when I get either in the air... The 10 looks
like it would be the best vacation plane..for long trips... I also have
a buddy building a 10 and he is on the 7 year plan.. Got long winded
here... take care and thanks for the advise.. Looks like I am leaning
toward the 10 Doug
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-cost to build numbers |
--> RV10-List message posted by: PhilWhite9@aol.com
Doug, Ed, Tim: My Excel list totals: $59,050 for
1. Kit: $3,000 Emp; $7,400 wing + $4,000 QB; $12,100 Fuse; $12,400 est for
finish kit = $38,750 to Van's.
2. Mazda 20B wankel rotary engine $3,000; Tracy Crook's gearbox +
electronics for engine $6,600; Catto prop I guessed at $1,200 (but I presume your
2,400 is more accurate) = $10,800 for a 270-300 hp engine.
3. Panel w/TruTrak autopilot, 3 steam guages, AV/MAP GPS, Reserve Lift
Indicator, ELT, Xpdr, Comm, etc. Not able to fly IFR, but allowing room to add
later = $9,500
I noticed I haven't included $ for alternator(s) and several other misc
items, so it will exceed $60K for sure. I'll paint the fiberglass parts
myself, and polish the aluminum. May be the cheapest -10 yet?
Phil White, Willowbrook, IL 630/325-4680
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| Subject: | Re: rv-10 cost to build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Not to steer anyone away from a -10, but, it sounds like if you're
really going to take your time and not be done until your kids are
out of college, you may not need a -10 for your vacations. I think
you could do a trip in a -7 and have a blast. I'm building a -10
because I like to fill my seats, and I have a 3 and 5 year old.
If I had kids that wouldn't be traveling with me, I'd probably be
building a -7 for the aerobatics and cost. I guess I'd say
you should really focus on the type of flying you really think
you'll do, and who will you be taking. I'm building a station
wagon. If you were driving 1200 miles by car, what would you
be driving, and who would you be taking in 5 years?
Tim
Doug Brinlee wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
>
> Bob,
> Thanks for your cost estimate..sounds more realistic..
> I think I should build what I would enjoy most when complete. Even if it takes
6 to 7 years... That is the burning question.. I could do a 7 and be flying
basic VFR in 4 years. Thing is, the kids will be gone and done with college
in 5 years. I could build the 10 and take my time,,, do a really nice job, have
the airframe paid for in 4 years then go nuts on the engine and instruments
over the next 3 years...or so...
> Just have to decide which plane is best fit...
> Wife likes the 10 and says she would help me build that one. I like the 7 for
aerobatics and sporty look.
> I will be 50 or so when I get either in the air... The 10 looks like it would
be the best vacation plane..for long trips...
> I also have a buddy building a 10 and he is on the 7 year plan..
> Got long winded here... take care and thanks for the advise..
> Looks like I am leaning toward the 10
> Doug
>
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| Subject: | rv-10 cost to build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Here is an estimate I did a few months ago. I think the median for an
RV-10 will be around $100,000. It will be very difficult to build it
much under $75,000 in my opinion. Planes are like buying a boat or
building a house. You always end up spending 25 - 30% more than you
expected.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: rv-10 cost to build
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Doug,
No problem. You might also join the RV-10 Yahoo group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV10/ - that's where most of the -10
builders seem to be. I went through similar reasoning to yours. Kids
will be out of the house by the time I'm in the air but went for the -10
because I wanted the extra room and reserve payload capacity.
Bob #40105
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Brinlee
Subject: RV10-List: rv-10 cost to build
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
Bob,
Thanks for your cost estimate..sounds more realistic..
I think I should build what I would enjoy most when complete. Even if
it takes 6 to 7 years... That is the burning question.. I could do a 7
and be flying basic VFR in 4 years. Thing is, the kids will be gone and
done with college in 5 years. I could build the 10 and take my time,,,
do a really nice job, have the airframe paid for in 4 years then go nuts
on the engine and instruments over the next 3 years...or so... Just have
to decide which plane is best fit... Wife likes the 10 and says she
would help me build that one. I like the 7 for aerobatics and sporty
look. I will be 50 or so when I get either in the air... The 10 looks
like it would be the best vacation plane..for long trips... I also have
a buddy building a 10 and he is on the 7 year plan.. Got long winded
here... take care and thanks for the advise.. Looks like I am leaning
toward the 10 Doug
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
My spreadsheet did not attach. Sorry.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: rv-10 cost to build
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
<sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Here is an estimate I did a few months ago. I think the median for an
RV-10 will be around $100,000. It will be very difficult to build it
much under $75,000 in my opinion. Planes are like buying a boat or
building a house. You always end up spending 25 - 30% more than you
expected.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: rv-10 cost to build
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Doug,
No problem. You might also join the RV-10 Yahoo group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV10/ - that's where most of the -10
builders seem to be. I went through similar reasoning to yours. Kids
will be out of the house by the time I'm in the air but went for the -10
because I wanted the extra room and reserve payload capacity.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Brinlee
Subject: RV10-List: rv-10 cost to build
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
Bob,
Thanks for your cost estimate..sounds more realistic..
I think I should build what I would enjoy most when complete. Even if
it takes 6 to 7 years... That is the burning question.. I could do a 7
and be flying basic VFR in 4 years. Thing is, the kids will be gone and
done with college in 5 years. I could build the 10 and take my time,,,
do a really nice job, have the airframe paid for in 4 years then go nuts
on the engine and instruments over the next 3 years...or so... Just have
to decide which plane is best fit... Wife likes the 10 and says she
would help me build that one. I like the 7 for aerobatics and sporty
look. I will be 50 or so when I get either in the air... The 10 looks
like it would be the best vacation plane..for long trips... I also have
a buddy building a 10 and he is on the 7 year plan.. Got long winded
here... take care and thanks for the advise.. Looks like I am leaning
toward the 10 Doug
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