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1. 06:13 AM - Re: [RV10] Re: Message approval by who ever (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 10:49 AM - One Ping for Effect (John W. Cox)
3. 11:35 AM - Re: One Ping for Effect (Larry)
4. 12:22 PM - Re: One Ping for Effect (Sean Stephens)
5. 01:05 PM - New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! (Matt Dralle)
6. 01:13 PM - Re: New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! (Sean Stephens)
7. 01:29 PM - Re: New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 01:53 PM - Re: New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! (John W. Cox)
9. 01:58 PM - IMPORTANT: Moving to Matronics as RV-10 list home (Tim Olson)
10. 02:13 PM - Re: IMPORTANT: Moving to Matronics as RV-10 list home (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 02:26 PM - Re: New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! (Dj Merrill)
12. 03:01 PM - Switchover Bio (John W. Cox)
13. 03:04 PM - Re: New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
14. 03:32 PM - Re: [RV10] READ THIS EMAIL: From Doug Reeves (group owner) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 04:04 PM - Re: [RV10] READ THIS EMAIL: From Doug Reeves (group owner) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
16. 04:12 PM - soundproofing (Chris , Susie McGough)
17. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: [RV10] READ THIS EMAIL: From Doug Reeves (grou (John W. Cox)
18. 04:33 PM - Re: soundproofing (John W. Cox)
19. 04:39 PM - Re: One Ping for Effect (Dj Merrill)
20. 05:01 PM - Re: soundproofing (Tim Olson)
21. 05:05 PM - Re: One Ping for Effect (Tim Olson)
22. 05:12 PM - Re: [RV10] A Downunder Bio (Tim Olson)
23. 05:50 PM - Re: IMPORTANT: Moving to Matronics as RV-10 list home (Mark Ritter)
24. 06:07 PM - Builder Progress (John W. Cox)
25. 06:35 PM - Kit 40006 Flying (Larry)
26. 06:44 PM - Re: One Ping for Effect (Rick)
27. 06:47 PM - Re: Kit 40006 Flying (Tim Olson)
28. 06:51 PM - Re: Kit 40006 Flying (Rick)
29. 06:53 PM - Wing tank hole closures (Rick)
30. 06:58 PM - Re: Kit 40006 Flying (linn walters)
31. 07:07 PM - Re: Wing tank hole closures (Tim Olson)
32. 07:13 PM - Re: Kit 40006 Flying (Brian Denk)
33. 07:43 PM - Re: Kit 40006 Flying (Rick)
34. 07:55 PM - Re: One Ping for Effect (John W. Cox)
35. 07:57 PM - Re: [RV10] on the list? (Tim Olson)
36. 08:06 PM - Re: Wing tank hole closures (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
37. 08:31 PM - Post regarding #40006 (John W. Cox)
38. 08:34 PM - Re: One Ping for Effect (JOHN STARN)
39. 08:39 PM - Re: Post regarding #40006 (Sean Stephens)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [RV10] Re: Message approval by who ever |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@Sausen.net>
Agreed. Personally I don't pay attention to the billboard at the bottom
of Matt's list and don't feel it is any worse than the one Yahoo adds on
the bottom. In a pure space sense, Yahoo's billboard is worse in my
opinion.
Doug's intention is to replace this medium with the Forums at some point
in time. When I had a brief email exchange a couple weeks ago about
this he had said that the max number of moderators is 3 and it was at
that number. He didn't seem to interested in changing the moderators so
it was left at that.
Two things I want to add. Chuck is the most active moderator and the
only one I have ever seen pipe up when this subject comes up so don't
shoot the messenger. I personally thank him for taking the time to
moderate the group. I also thank Doug for all the time he gives to the
RV community. He's been an invaluable resource.
That being said, I don't think he has the bandwidth to manage an active
group such as this. Many of us have expressed our displeasure with the
length of time it takes to get messages approved. Doug seems to have
the impression that the groups have to be moderated in order to keep
things civil and he's had experiences that back that up. Maybe it's his
high profile that brings some of the hooligans (been a long time since I
could use that word :-)) to his groups but I have yet to belong to a
real-time group that can't manage it's own membership. Personally, I
think it's his way of forcing us over to the Forums that are
instantaneous. However, short of someone sleeping on their keyboard
with a monkey that slaps them on the back of the head when a new message
arrives, there is no way to keep things flowing with only 3 moderators.
I'm willing to bet Doug would be more than happy to drop this group if
he knew everyone was moving to another.
We have a very viable alternative in Matt's list serv. It already hosts
a dozen very active lists and is just as easy to use. I know Matt
thought it would be a good alternative to have a single URL at the
bottom of posts rather than the multiple but I don't know why he never
implemented it. He usually lurks around this list so maybe he can
answer that personally. The Mattronics lists also provide digest
functionality for those that would rather have that.
So the only way to get anything close to real-time posts is to move. I
suggest that anyone who is not a member of the RV-10 Matronics list, go
to http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/ and subscribe to it.
My $0.99
Michael Sausen
RV-10 40352
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Stephens [mailto:schmoboy@cox.net]
Subject: Re: [RV10] Re: Message approval by who ever
I third matronics. No moderation. I'm already subscribed to that list.
I think Doug is planning on closing this Yahoo list eventually anyhow,
so I'd suggest that those of us that prefer the email delivery mechanism
start posting there.
-Sean #40303
John W. Cox wrote:
>
> I second Tim's response on Matronics. They don't strip attachments,
> they have a good search engine and the messages don't go stale waiting
> for someone to screen content for compliance.
>
>
> My review of two differing Matronics boards have always been great
> except for the obvious billboard at the bottom which could be
> accomplished with a single URL link. A comment Tim has already made
> and has gone unheeded. The value of having quick URL links and
> instant graphics and photos for reference should not be discounted to
> builders.
>
>
> John Cox - KUAO
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Tim Olson [mailto:tim@MyRV10.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:56 PM
> To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RV10] Re: Message approval by who ever
>
>
> Actually, this is very much a live customer support facility. I feel
> a duty to answer questions that people have, in return for my ability
> to ask them when I need help too. It's a big shame that the forum
> has to be so moderated. I was around all day long except for about
> 2 hours. Constantly at my keyboard. If I had been moderating, I'd
> have been able to approve messages at least hourly today. I think
> since there's a 4 moderator limit, they should look at who they're
> choosing to moderate on these weekend days. Perhaps there could be
> 3 moderators and a rotated "open" spot for someone to fill each
> weekend if they're going to be around.
>
> If we can't work this out, I say lets go to Matronics for our list,
> and that's from someone who has been one of the biggest people in
> favor of keeping it how it is. Sorry Mani, I know how you feel, man.
> Tim
>
> Chuck Chappell wrote:
> >
> > Mani,
> >
> > I am sorry you had to wait 8-9 hours for a message approval and by
> > all means if you like the other forum better that is what you should
> > use. Some of us prefer the email method.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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| Subject: | One Ping for Effect |
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Switching over at 23:00Z, time now 18:48Z. Four hours and 12 minutes to go.
Looking towards something more than just 0 messages on my daily RV-10
matronics reflector. Maybe we can put a smile on Mani's face this weekend.
Matt hope you don't mind the traffic. Now I get to read Lancair and Yak
posts just like RV-10.
John W. Cox
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Switching over at 23:00Z, time now 18:48Z. Four hours and 12
minutes to go. Looking towards something more than just 0 messages on my daily
RV-10 matronics reflector. Maybe we can put a smile on Mani's face this
weekend. Matt hope you don't mind the traffic. Now I get to read
Lancair and Yak posts just like RV-10.
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| Subject: | Re: One Ping for Effect |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I am here also, monitoring as usual, waiting for traffic.
Larry
John W. Cox wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>Switching over at 23:00Z, time now 18:48Z. Four hours and 12 minutes to go.
>Looking towards something more than just 0 messages on my daily RV-10
>matronics reflector. Maybe we can put a smile on Mani's face this weekend.
>Matt hope you don't mind the traffic. Now I get to read Lancair and Yak
>posts just like RV-10.
>
>
>John W. Cox
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One Ping for Effect |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Ping Back... :)
Works been bizzy, can't find time to finish my emp fairings before the
wings get here in 8 weeks. :(
-Sean #303
John W. Cox wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>Switching over at 23:00Z, time now 18:48Z. Four hours and 12 minutes to go.
>Looking towards something more than just 0 messages on my daily RV-10
>matronics reflector. Maybe we can put a smile on Mani's face this weekend.
>Matt hope you don't mind the traffic. Now I get to read Lancair and Yak
>posts just like RV-10.
>
>
>John W. Cox
>
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>font-family:Arial'>Switching over at 23:00Z, time now 18:48Z. Four hours and 12
>minutes to go. Looking towards something more than just 0 messages on my daily
>RV-10 matronics reflector. Maybe we can put a smile on Mani's face this
>weekend. Matt hope you don't mind the traffic. Now I get to read
>Lancair and Yak posts just like RV-10.
>
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| Subject: | New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! |
Dear RV10-Listers!
At the request of Tim Olson and other on the RV10-List at Matronics and the
RV10 forum at YahooGroups, I have made some modifications to the operation
of the RV10-List. Of particular interest to folks on this list is the
significant trimming of the usual banner at the bottom of each
post. You'll notice that I've dropped it down to a single URL link now
that redirects to a new web page that contains all of the usual links to
the Search Engine, List Browse, Photoshare, etc. Hopefully everyone will
like the new, svelter banner!
Another new feature I've added specifically to the RV10-List, is the
ability to post a limited number of file types along with the
messages. The currently supported enclosure types include "vcf, jpg, gif,
txt, xls, pdf, and doc". When one of these file types are included along
with a List Message, the enclosure will be forwarded to everyone on the
List, but it is important to note that it will *not* be included in the
Archive file. Only the plain-text portion of the message will be appended
to the Archive. Here is a sample .jpg photo enclosure:
[]
Finally, I just want to confirm that there is currently no form of
moderation on any of the Matronics Email Lisst, and want to state that I
don't personally believe in it. We are all adults here and we are all
quite capable of moderating ourselves and what we post for public perusal.
I want to make this List what you guys want it to be (within reason, of
course), so please let me know if you would like to see new features or
operational modes.
Welcome!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
groups.
Keep up the good work. We all appreciate your willingness to field
requests.
-Sean #40303
Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Dear RV10-Listers!
>
> At the request of Tim Olson and other on the RV10-List at Matronics
> and the RV10 forum at YahooGroups, I have made some modifications to
> the operation of the RV10-List. Of particular interest to folks on
> this list is the significant trimming of the usual banner at the
> bottom of each post. You'll notice that I've dropped it down to a
> single URL link now that redirects to a new web page that contains all
> of the usual links to the Search Engine, List Browse, Photoshare,
> etc. Hopefully everyone will like the new, svelter banner!
>
> Another new feature I've added specifically to the RV10-List, is the
> ability to post a limited number of file types along with the
> messages. The currently supported enclosure types include "vcf, jpg,
> gif, txt, xls, pdf, and doc". When one of these file types are
> included along with a List Message, the enclosure will be forwarded to
> everyone on the List, but it is important to note that it will *not*
> be included in the Archive file. Only the plain-text portion of the
> message will be appended to the Archive. Here is a sample .jpg photo
> enclosure:
>
> []
>
> Finally, I just want to confirm that there is currently no form of
> moderation on any of the Matronics Email Lisst, and want to state that
> I don't personally believe in it. We are all adults here and we are
> all quite capable of moderating ourselves and what we post for public
> perusal.
>
> I want to make this List what you guys want it to be (within reason,
> of course), so please let me know if you would like to see new
> features or operational modes.
>
> Welcome!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
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| Subject: | New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! |
Matt,
That's great. I'm glad to see that someone is flexible around here.
;-) Look forward to seeing the list membership grow.
Michael
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: RV10-List: New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!!
Dear RV10-Listers!
At the request of Tim Olson and other on the RV10-List at Matronics and
the RV10 forum at YahooGroups, I have made some modifications to the
operation of the RV10-List. Of particular interest to folks on this
list is the significant trimming of the usual banner at the bottom of
each post. You'll notice that I've dropped it down to a single URL link
now that redirects to a new web page that contains all of the usual
links to the Search Engine, List Browse, Photoshare, etc. Hopefully
everyone will like the new, svelter banner!
Another new feature I've added specifically to the RV10-List, is the
ability to post a limited number of file types along with the messages.
The currently supported enclosure types include "vcf, jpg, gif, txt,
xls, pdf, and doc". When one of these file types are included along
with a List Message, the enclosure will be forwarded to everyone on the
List, but it is important to note that it will *not* be included in the
Archive file. Only the plain-text portion of the message will be
appended to the Archive. Here is a sample .jpg photo enclosure:
Finally, I just want to confirm that there is currently no form of
moderation on any of the Matronics Email Lisst, and want to state that I
don't personally believe in it. We are all adults here and we are all
quite capable of moderating ourselves and what we post for public
perusal.
I want to make this List what you guys want it to be (within reason, of
course), so please let me know if you would like to see new features or
operational modes.
Welcome!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!! |
Matt, count me in next year when you do your annual request for
contributions. Your response to our requests is encouraging.... And for
most posters, they don't know you flew in a Red Star CJ-6 but was glad to
see you wearing the GIB chute.
John
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!!
Matt,
That's great. I'm glad to see that someone is flexible around here. ;-)
Look forward to seeing the list membership grow.
Michael
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: RV10-List: New Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!!
Dear RV10-Listers!
At the request of Tim Olson and other on the RV10-List at Matronics and the
RV10 forum at YahooGroups, I have made some modifications to the operation
of the RV10-List. Of particular interest to folks on this list is the
significant trimming of the usual banner at the bottom of each post. You'll
notice that I've dropped it down to a single URL link now that redirects to
a new web page that contains all of the usual links to the Search Engine,
List Browse, Photoshare, etc. Hopefully everyone will like the new, svelter
banner!
Another new feature I've added specifically to the RV10-List, is the ability
to post a limited number of file types along with the messages. The
currently supported enclosure types include "vcf, jpg, gif, txt, xls, pdf,
and doc". When one of these file types are included along with a List
Message, the enclosure will be forwarded to everyone on the List, but it is
important to note that it will *not* be included in the Archive file. Only
the plain-text portion of the message will be appended to the Archive. Here
is a sample .jpg photo enclosure:
[]
Finally, I just want to confirm that there is currently no form of
moderation on any of the Matronics Email Lisst, and want to state that I
don't personally believe in it. We are all adults here and we are all quite
capable of moderating ourselves and what we post for public perusal.
I want to make this List what you guys want it to be (within reason, of
course), so please let me know if you would like to see new features or
operational modes.
Welcome!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Matt, count me in next year when you do
your annual request for contributions. Your response to our requests is
encouraging.... And for most posters, they don't know you flew in a Red
Star CJ-6 but was glad to see you wearing the GIB chute.
<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>
<span style='font-size:
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owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael
Sausen)
PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New
Feature Requests Added To RV10-List!!
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<span style='font-size:
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<span style='font-size:
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<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> That's great. I'm glad to see
that someone is flexible around here. ;-) Look forward to seeing
the list membership grow.
<span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>
<span style='font-size:
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Subject: RV10-List: New Feature
Requests Added To RV10-List!!
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Dear RV10-Listers!
At the request of Tim Olson and other on the RV10-List at Matronics and the
RV10 forum at YahooGroups, I have made some modifications to the operation of
the RV10-List. Of particular interest to folks on this list is the
significant trimming of the usual banner at the bottom of each post.
You'll notice that I've dropped it down to a single URL link now that redirects
to a new web page that contains all of the usual links to the Search Engine,
List Browse, Photoshare, etc. Hopefully everyone will like the new,
svelter banner!
Another new feature I've added specifically to the RV10-List, is the ability to
post a limited number of file types along with the messages. The
currently supported enclosure types include vcf, jpg, gif, txt, xls, pdf,
and doc. When one of these file types are included along with a
List Message, the enclosure will be forwarded to everyone on the List, but it
is important to note that it will *not* be included in the Archive file.
Only the plain-text portion of the message will be appended to the
Archive. Here is a sample .jpg photo enclosure:
<img width=200 height=117 src="cid:image001.jpg@01C52D53.E77AFE20" alt="[]">
Finally, I just want to confirm that there is currently no form of moderation
on any of the Matronics Email Lisst, and want to state that I don't personally
believe in it. We are all adults here and we are all quite capable of
moderating ourselves and what we post for public perusal.
I want to make this List what you guys want it to be (within reason, of
course), so please let me know if you would like to see new features or
operational modes.
Welcome!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi all, especially members of the RV10@yahoogroups.com list.
With the recent re-statement of moderation policies on the Yahoogroups
list, and the rehash of the "stay or go" debate, I wanted to annouce
that I now verified that we have sufficient momentum to make the switch
to the Matronics RV10-List. http://www.matronics.com/subscription/
Before you read on, note that this is not a battle or war of any kind.
Most people universally agree that the annoyances of yahoo hinder it's
value, but the moderation issue, along with some of the new Matronics
improvements, have just brought the momentum to change, and it's time
to cut the cord on yahoo and move on.
In addition, Matt Dralle has done some work as well, to make Matronics
more pleasant for us. We'll now have limited attachment posting
abilities, and the mongo footer is also shortened. Matronics should
serve as a good, searchable archive of past posts, and I'm sure
that it will now make a fantastic replacement for the yahoogroups
list.
The Yahoogroups list will not necessarily be totally abandoned. I have
talked to some long-term members and most of us will continue to
monitor the Yahoogroups list, but when a question is posed to the
list, a response will be made on the MATRONICS list. The yahoo
list will possibly get a courtesy "see the reply at Matronics" posting
to let the group know where it can see the information that was
requested. This is to ensure that the majority of the "old"
list, finds their way to the "new" list.
**** For those users that I have not talked to personally, if you
can do so, try to do your "real" posts to respond to any questions
on the Matronics list, not here. If it's cross-posted, there will
be more incentive to stay. We want to make this as clean a break
as possible.
In addition, for as long as available, the files and photos section
of the Yahoogroups list may continue to be used by everyone if needed.
With it's limited space, and reduced size photos, however,
we will try to accomodate these things using alternate methods.
Some may wonder why we would not move to one of the .php or website
based forums. My answer is simple. There are many of us who
have absolutely no interest in having to actually go somewhere to
dig for our information. I want it sent to me, in real time.
A statement was recently made that these forums were not
"a live customer support facility", but I think that there are many
of us who believe otherwise. It's extremely convenient when on
a Saturday while working on your -10 wings, for example, if you get
stuck on something, you can post a quick email and within an hour
you can be back on track to your building. It know it's worked
that way for me more than once. An email forum is the only way
that this kind of realtime access can happen. The only problem
with staying here was the moderation which caused many hours of
delay in some posts. In addition, many users do not have the
ability to get to such websites from their place of work. I know
that more than one RV site is blocked and filtered as "Hobbies"
by our web blocker at my own employer. An email forum is
the only good option, and Matronics, like Yahoo, is both email
and web based.
So, if you aren't familiar with Matronics yet, please go over to
http://www.matronics.com/subscription/ and get yourself subscribed.
From this day forward, some of us longer-term members and heavy
posters are going to try to wean you off from the Yahoogroups
forums. Yeah, it'll be slightly painful while you adjust, but
with Matt's new changes, I'm sure it'll end up being a much
better deal.....especially for you new members who have empennage
kits who are going to run into many questions throughout your build.
See you all there....all of my future information posts will be
made on the Matronics list, except for some bigger announcements.
Tim
P.S. Below I will post some benefits/differences with the Matronics
list....Contributed by Bob C.
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Matronics Benefits
- Attachments: Matt's RV10-List will now allow some limited
attachments to pass. They will NOT be archived though.
- Files, Photos, etc: Matt's web site has provisions for photo sharing
and shows a lits of which list they're associated with, but not way that
I'm aware of to filter by group. Not quite as nice as what we've got
with Yahoo. Although the area is called a Photo Share, it is also
possible to upload spreadsheets and other types of files.
- Call for contributions: Although participation in any/all of the lists
are free, Matt does have an annual call for contributions (similar to
PBS). This is 100% voluntary and there's no difference in service to
any individual regardless of the amount contributed (or not). For some
reason this turns some people off. (Tim's note: Believe me, for the
small "donation", you'll get some good service)
- Searching: Matt's archive search capabilities are far superior to the
Yahoo group.
- Archives: Matt allows you to download the archives for any/all lists.
Alternatively, he sells CDs that contain the full list archives if you
so desire.
- Web browse interface: If you don't like receiving email, Matt also has
provision for browsing via the web.
- Chat: Matt has a chat facility for those that want such a thing, but
it's something that I've never used.
Matt's lists seem to be a primary communications vehicle for the
builders of all other RV models. Why the RV-10 never caught on there is
beyond me. This is a one stop shop for electrical, engine and other
topics. Other sites have numerous other features, they don't however
fill the basic need for a "batch" oriented email facility.
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| Subject: | RE: IMPORTANT: Moving to Matronics as RV-10 list home |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@Sausen.net>
I just want to reiterate what Tim has said, some of us just want a more
real-time email list in order to benefit us all. I will also be moving
to the Matronics list permanently (even though I don't think I have
actually contributed much yet) so that we can see better response times.
I honestly believe that this will be a better solution for everyone.
Chuck and the other moderators will no longer need to feel pressured to
regularly check for messages and I'm sure Doug has better things to do.
We are not trying to be heavy handed here. After all, it takes all of
us to make these lists successful and that is all we are trying to do.
This moderation issue keeps reappearing and seems to irritate enough
people to make it beneficial to move. And for those that haven't felt
it is a problem, the only thing you stand to loose is the ads at the
bottom of every email. ;-)
Give it a try, you have nothing to loose. And, if I may, subscribe to
the regular RV-List also as it is very informative and active.
http://www.matronics.com/subscription/
Michael Sausen
#40352
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
Subject: IMPORTANT: Moving to Matronics as RV-10 list home
Hi all, especially members of the RV10@yahoogroups.com list.
With the recent re-statement of moderation policies on the Yahoogroups
list, and the rehash of the "stay or go" debate, I wanted to annouce
that I now verified that we have sufficient momentum to make the switch
to the Matronics RV10-List. http://www.matronics.com/subscription/
Before you read on, note that this is not a battle or war of any kind.
Most people universally agree that the annoyances of yahoo hinder it's
value, but the moderation issue, along with some of the new Matronics
improvements, have just brought the momentum to change, and it's time to
cut the cord on yahoo and move on.
In addition, Matt Dralle has done some work as well, to make Matronics
more pleasant for us. We'll now have limited attachment posting
abilities, and the mongo footer is also shortened. Matronics should
serve as a good, searchable archive of past posts, and I'm sure that it
will now make a fantastic replacement for the yahoogroups list.
The Yahoogroups list will not necessarily be totally abandoned. I have
talked to some long-term members and most of us will continue to monitor
the Yahoogroups list, but when a question is posed to the list, a
response will be made on the MATRONICS list. The yahoo list will
possibly get a courtesy "see the reply at Matronics" posting to let the
group know where it can see the information that was requested. This is
to ensure that the majority of the "old"
list, finds their way to the "new" list.
**** For those users that I have not talked to personally, if you can
do so, try to do your "real" posts to respond to any questions on the
Matronics list, not here. If it's cross-posted, there will be more
incentive to stay. We want to make this as clean a break as possible.
In addition, for as long as available, the files and photos section of
the Yahoogroups list may continue to be used by everyone if needed.
With it's limited space, and reduced size photos, however, we will try
to accomodate these things using alternate methods.
Some may wonder why we would not move to one of the .php or website
based forums. My answer is simple. There are many of us who have
absolutely no interest in having to actually go somewhere to dig for our
information. I want it sent to me, in real time.
A statement was recently made that these forums were not "a live
customer support facility", but I think that there are many of us who
believe otherwise. It's extremely convenient when on a Saturday while
working on your -10 wings, for example, if you get stuck on something,
you can post a quick email and within an hour you can be back on track
to your building. It know it's worked that way for me more than once.
An email forum is the only way that this kind of realtime access can
happen. The only problem with staying here was the moderation which
caused many hours of delay in some posts. In addition, many users do
not have the ability to get to such websites from their place of work.
I know that more than one RV site is blocked and filtered as "Hobbies"
by our web blocker at my own employer. An email forum is the only good
option, and Matronics, like Yahoo, is both email and web based.
So, if you aren't familiar with Matronics yet, please go over to
http://www.matronics.com/subscription/ and get yourself subscribed.
From this day forward, some of us longer-term members and heavy posters
are going to try to wean you off from the Yahoogroups forums. Yeah,
it'll be slightly painful while you adjust, but with Matt's new changes,
I'm sure it'll end up being a much better deal.....especially for you
new members who have empennage kits who are going to run into many
questions throughout your build.
See you all there....all of my future information posts will be made on
the Matronics list, except for some bigger announcements.
Tim
P.S. Below I will post some benefits/differences with the Matronics
list....Contributed by Bob C.
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Matronics Benefits
- Attachments: Matt's RV10-List will now allow some limited attachments
to pass. They will NOT be archived though.
- Files, Photos, etc: Matt's web site has provisions for photo sharing
and shows a lits of which list they're associated with, but not way that
I'm aware of to filter by group. Not quite as nice as what we've got
with Yahoo. Although the area is called a Photo Share, it is also
possible to upload spreadsheets and other types of files.
- Call for contributions: Although participation in any/all of the lists
are free, Matt does have an annual call for contributions (similar to
PBS). This is 100% voluntary and there's no difference in service to
any individual regardless of the amount contributed (or not). For some
reason this turns some people off. (Tim's note: Believe me, for the
small "donation", you'll get some good service)
- Searching: Matt's archive search capabilities are far superior to the
Yahoo group.
- Archives: Matt allows you to download the archives for any/all lists.
Alternatively, he sells CDs that contain the full list archives if you
so desire.
- Web browse interface: If you don't like receiving email, Matt also has
provision for browsing via the web.
- Chat: Matt has a chat facility for those that want such a thing, but
it's something that I've never used.
Matt's lists seem to be a primary communications vehicle for the
builders of all other RV models. Why the RV-10 never caught on there is
beyond me. This is a one stop shop for electrical, engine and other
topics. Other sites have numerous other features, they don't however
fill the basic need for a "batch" oriented email facility.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Matt Dralle wrote:
> Another new feature I've added specifically to the RV10-List, is the
> ability to post a limited number of file types along with the messages.
> The currently supported enclosure types include "vcf, jpg, gif, txt,
> xls, pdf, and doc". When one of these file types are included along
> with a List Message, the enclosure will be forwarded to everyone on the
> List, but it is important to note that it will *not* be included in the
> Archive file. Only the plain-text portion of the message will be
> appended to the Archive. Here is a sample .jpg photo enclosure:
That's awesome - THANK YOU!!! :-)
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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55 years young. Commercial Pilot LTA, SEL, A&P with in excess of 2700 hours.
First flight in a Republic Seabee Seaplane (1958) landing on the Pacific
Ocean along the Long Beach, WA spit. Served as a Coast Guard helicopter
crewman on a HH-52 in the 1970's with deployments to both the Antarctic and
Arctic regions with 14 countries thrown in. Developed and ran six flying
clubs in the 1970's on the GI Bill. Began GA by pumping gas and wrenching at
a local FBO during the Arab Oil Crisis of 1973. Served as Chief Pilot and
Instructor for an FAA Part 141 Approved Pilot Training School for Commercial
and Private Pilots. Served for 23 years as a FAA Designated Pilot Examiner
until retiring in September, 2001. Produced FAA endorsed Airshows in
Oregon (Blue Angels), Colorado (Blue Angels) and Arizona (Thunderbirds).
Produced an FAA Regional Safety Seminar in the Pacific NW. Married the
Practice wife for 17 years with a daughter Katie - 25 years old and a son
Bill - 21 years old. Now married six years to the (second and final)
Perfect Wife.
Only claim to NERD status was Marketing Manager for Egghead Software's most
successful U.S. store and Retail Store Manager for CompUSA. Most lucrative
career has been Real Estate Brokerage/Development. Most unusual job was
Drug Compliance Specialist for a Regional Air Carrier - you guys figure out
what that means. Took a two year sabbatical to acquire the A & P rating
before striking out on kit build production. Finishing up on an IA
designation and going for EAA Tech Advisor for Chapters 105 and 292. Fly
anything from high wing to low wing when possible. Most excitement is as a
Red Star Pilot and the chance to fly the Chinese Nanchang CJ-6 tandem
fighter trainer with Russian M-14P (360hp) radial. Metric not SAE tools.
Working with Composites Unlimited on a conversion from metal to composite
engine cowling (they built the original cowl for N410RV). Willingly host
RV-10 wannabe's during their demo visit to VAN's at my home near airport
KUAO. Our 4 bedroom, 4 bath house is nearly always empty. Constructing a
Builder Assist Hangar at Independence State Airport to tackle multiple
simultaneous RV-10 projects. Projects have included a Christen Eagle Biplane
(wood stick and fabric kit experience), 1947 Taylorcraft fabric restoration,
lots of composite research with Lancair group and receptive to cost
effective aluminum and rivet RV-10 building. I was the guy with Bill
McDonald, a fellow club member that found the original kit production door
would not close with the initial tunnel design. That placed me on the #$&%
list with Ken, Tom, Tim, Dave, Doug and of course VAN for the delay to
rework the tunnel and front seat relocation (Back when James McClow was with
the 10s). Randy's new tunnel shows it was worth the static. Currently
keeping involved with an RV-7 project, RV-9 project and RV-10 project.
Strong consideration to break from the pack with an alternate Powerplant
option for my 10. The alternative is not viable yet. That does not win me
support at VAN's. Calling the project Generation II cause Randy's is still
yet to fly bone stock from the box (but is only days away with Generation
I). I support his involvement with Lancair Avionics, Mountain High,
Flightline Interiors and Advanced Flight Systems. RV's should be able to
give Lancair a strong run for the Gold at flyins.
Here is a piece of trivia.... Oregon is now running 50% accident rate of
experimental built to certified FAR Part 23 GA. The FAA says that is okay,
cause the % of Experimental GA flying to Certified flying is even higher and
climbing. Watch the numbers as that GA Certified fleet gets even older with
more corrosion. Kit built is now the statistically safer way to go. SEE
YOU AT OSH '05.
John W. Cox - KUAO
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>55 years young. Commercial Pilot LTA, SEL, AP with in
excess of 2700 hours. First flight in a Republic Seabee Seaplane (1958) landing
on the Pacific Ocean along the Long Beach, WA spit. Served as a Coast
Guard helicopter crewman on a HH-52 in the 1970's with deployments to both
the Antarctic and Arctic regions with 14 countries thrown in. Developed and
ran six flying clubs in the 1970's on the GI Bill. Began GA by pumping
gas and wrenching at a local FBO during the Arab Oil Crisis of 1973. Served as
Chief Pilot and Instructor for an FAA Part 141 Approved Pilot Training School for
Commercial and Private Pilots. Served for 23 years as a FAA Designated
Pilot Examiner until retiring in September, 2001. Produced FAA
endorsed Airshows in Oregon (Blue Angels), Colorado (Blue Angels) and Arizona (Thunderbirds).
Produced an FAA Regional Safety Seminar in the Pacific NW. Married
the Practice wife for 17 years with a daughter Katie - 25 years old and a son Bill
- 21 years old. Now married six years to the (second and final) Perfect
Wife.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Only claim to NERD status was Marketing Manager for Egghead
Software's most successful U.S. store and Retail Store Manager for
CompUSA. Most lucrative career has been Real Estate Brokerage/Development.
Most unusual job was Drug Compliance Specialist for a Regional Air Carrier -
you guys figure out what that means. Took a two year sabbatical to acquire the
A P rating before striking out on kit build production. Finishing
up on an IA designation and going for EAA Tech Advisor for Chapters 105 and 292.
Fly anything from high wing to low wing when possible. Most excitement is
as a Red Star Pilot and the chance to fly the Chinese Nanchang CJ-6 tandem
fighter trainer with Russian M-14P (360hp) radial. Metric not SAE tools.
Working with Composites Unlimited on a conversion from metal to composite
engine cowling (they built the original cowl for N410RV). Willingly host RV-10
wannabe's during their demo visit to VAN's at my home near airport
KUAO. Our 4 bedroom, 4 bath house is nearly always empty. Constructing a
Builder Assist Hangar at Independence State Airport to tackle multiple simultaneous
RV-10 projects. Projects have included a Christen Eagle Biplane (wood stick and
fabric kit experience), 1947 Taylorcraft fabric restoration, lots of composite
research with Lancair group and receptive to cost effective aluminum and rivet
RV-10 building. I was the guy with Bill McDonald, a fellow club member
that found the original kit production door would not close with the initial
tunnel design. That placed me on the #$% list with Ken, Tom, Tim, Dave,
Doug and of course VAN for the delay to rework the tunnel and front seat
relocation (Back when James McClow was with the 10s). Randy's new tunnel
shows it was worth the static. Currently keeping involved with an RV-7 project,
RV-9 project and RV-10 project.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Strong consideration to break from the pack with an
alternate Powerplant option for my 10. The alternative is not viable yet. That
does not win me support at VAN's. Calling the project <span
style'font-style:italic'>Generation II cause Randy's is still
yet to fly bone stock from the box (but is only days away with <span
style'font-style:italic'>Generation I). I support his
involvement with Lancair Avionics, Mountain High, Flightline Interiors and Advanced
Flight Systems. RV's should be able to give Lancair a strong run
for the Gold at flyins.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Here is a piece of trivia.... Oregon is now running 50%
accident rate of experimental built to certified FAR Part 23 GA. The FAA
says that is okay, cause the % of Experimental GA flying to Certified flying is
even higher and climbing. Watch the numbers as that GA Certified fleet
gets even older with more corrosion. Kit built is now the statistically
safer way to go. SEE YOU AT OSH '05.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span
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style'font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>
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12.0pt'>
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| Subject: | RE: [RV10] READ THIS EMAIL: From Doug Reeves (group owner) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@Sausen.net>
I was hoping to avoid this. It's too bad Doug had to be so juvenile
about this in his group with the, if you don't like it that's just too
bad, attitude. It will only serve to stir-up everyone else on the list.
Although that's probably what he's trying to do.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Reeves [mailto:vansairforce@hotmail.com]
Subject: [RV10] READ THIS EMAIL: From Doug Reeves (group owner)
I want to remind all that you should ONLY post a message in this forum
if:
1) it asks a specific RV-10 question
2) it answers a specific RV-10 question
All other types of posts will be deleted (and the authors removed if
they persist). This means no 'Yeah!' and 'Me too!' or 'Let's leave'
type messages.
This Yahoo Group was created as a *MODERATED* alternative to Matt
Dralle's *UNMODERATED* RV-List and it will stay just that. If it takes
24hrs....or 72hrs.... for your message to get distributed, well, that's
the price of admittion. You're building an airplane - twenty four hours
will not make a difference. I've started and completed one...I know.
If you want instantaeous distribution on a RV-10 topic try the VAF forum
specifically created for that:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=4 . The
absolute NANOSECOND you hit 'send' it's visible - much, much faster than
ANY email distribution system could ever be.
There is no point in any discussion on the group changing its moderation
policy. It's my group and it's my rules.
Sorrys Jewels, it's my rules. If no like...tough tacos, muchacos.
Thanks for playing and let's get back to RV-10 topics,
Doug
Give the gift of life to a sick child.
Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks & Giving.'
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@Sausen.net>
Doug,
It really is too bad you had to resort to "It's my group and it's my
rules". At least two of us have offered to help out with moderation
which would relieve the issues that many of us are complaining about but
you didn't even bother responding to me. We all understand that the
Forums are instantaneous because they can be edited after the fact, but
what you don't seem to hear from everyone on this list is that they
DON'T LIKE FORUMS. And if you don't have a problem with unmoderated
Forums than what's the problem with unmoderating the email list?
While 24 or 72 hours might not seem like much to you, most of us here
building the -10 have very busy real lives and not a lot of time for our
aircraft building. For example, I really only have Sunday's to work on
my plane for more than an hour. If I have a question, it would be nice
to get it posted before the end of the day.
I really don't understand what the big deal is. The funny thing is
you never chimed in until several of us actively decided to leave
because Matt was willing to listen to our suggestions. Even though we
have ton's of posts that were of the "me too" or other unrelated type,
you choose now to pipe up. You seem less interested in your own rules
and more in this control thing. It's funny that the last post that was
approved before yours was a "good buy and good riddance to those whiners
who go". But whatever, it is your group and thankfully there are
alternatives and it's the most active members of this group that are
seeking them.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Reeves [mailto:vansairforce@hotmail.com]
Subject: [RV10] READ THIS EMAIL: From Doug Reeves (group owner)
I want to remind all that you should ONLY post a message in this forum
if:
1) it asks a specific RV-10 question
2) it answers a specific RV-10 question
All other types of posts will be deleted (and the authors removed if
they persist). This means no 'Yeah!' and 'Me too!' or 'Let's leave'
type messages.
This Yahoo Group was created as a *MODERATED* alternative to Matt
Dralle's *UNMODERATED* RV-List and it will stay just that. If it takes
24hrs....or 72hrs.... for your message to get distributed, well, that's
the price of admittion. You're building an airplane - twenty four hours
will not make a difference. I've started and completed one...I know.
If you want instantaeous distribution on a RV-10 topic try the VAF forum
specifically created for that:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=4 . The
absolute NANOSECOND you hit 'send' it's visible - much, much faster than
ANY email distribution system could ever be.
There is no point in any discussion on the group changing its moderation
policy. It's my group and it's my rules.
Sorrys Jewels, it's my rules. If no like...tough tacos, muchacos.
Thanks for playing and let's get back to RV-10 topics,
Doug
Give the gift of life to a sick child.
Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks & Giving.'
http://us.click.yahoo.com/5iY7fA/6WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/1yWplB/TM
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Hi Guys just sold my RV6 VH-MUM.....ordering the 10 shortly!! We have a
six month old (reason for selling MUM) and want to do lots of flying with
him on board. Can anyone recomend what is good insulation?? I want it quiet.
Regards Chris
Downunder
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p owner)
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p owner)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Michael, I will be here for you and with the hope of Tim and Randy
migrating, you will have a good reference from where to begin. My wife
thinks I already spend too much time now reading posts, learning rather than
just doing.
In time, this reflector can only pick up momentum from the obstacles which
remain in place at the alternative yahoo site. Now if Mani, will just
migrate his question.
John Cox - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Subject: RV10-List: RE: [RV10] READ THIS EMAIL: From Doug Reeves (group
owner)
I was hoping to avoid this. It's too bad Doug had to be so juvenile
about this in his group with the, if you don't like it that's just too
bad, attitude. It will only serve to stir-up everyone else on the list.
Although that's probably what he's trying to do.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Randy Debauw with kit #40006 has done a remarkable job on the areas he chose
to treat. There is both insulation (thermal) and attenuation (sound)
products with some that do both. Randy has pictures up on Tim Olson's site
http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/Randy006/index.html that can be reviewed.
Thickness and weight are the issues after resolving flammability.
Chris, if you and Sue come across the pond to take a demo flight at VAN's -
drop me a note and I will provide transportation and housing at NO COST
while you explore the possibilities. In the past, there was an opportunity
to visit Randy (just up the street) in production but now that his 10 is
approaching flight its going to the airport - KUAO. There are only George
McNeil and Eric Panning near by. But then there is Evergreen Air Museum
with the Spruce Goose, Composites Unlimited, Oregon Aero, Pacific Coast
Avionics, Lancair, Advanced Flight Systems and of course VANS within
minutes.
John Cox
Up and Over
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
McGough
Subject: RV10-List: soundproofing
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| Subject: | Re: One Ping for Effect |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
John W. Cox wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Switching over at 23:00Z, time now 18:48Z. Four hours and 12 minutes to go.
> Looking towards something more than just 0 messages on my daily RV-10
> matronics reflector. Maybe we can put a smile on Mani's face this weekend.
> Matt hope you don't mind the traffic. Now I get to read Lancair and Yak
> posts just like RV-10.
Oh, I just can't help myself - ME TOO! *grin*
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Re: soundproofing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey Chris,
I think that at least a couple other RV-10 builders are using a foil
faced, rubber backed insulation material that they buy from
Aircraft Spruce. You can get it in multiple different thicknesses.
I would think that something like that would work well. I'm planning
to do both that, and to add padded vinyl to my walls, and fabric
headliner to the ceiling.
Tim
--
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Chris , Susie McGough wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Hi Guys just sold my RV6 VH-MUM.....ordering the 10 shortly!! We
> have a six month old (reason for selling MUM) and want to do lots of
> flying with him on board. Can anyone recomend what is good insulation??
> I want it quiet.
>
> Regards Chris
>
> Downunder
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ListFeaturesNavigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One Ping for Effect |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey guys, I have been bouncing back and forth a couple of emails to
Matt regarding the "DO NOT ARCHIVE" statement that you see on
many posts. Just FYI, it's probably a great thing for this
sort of situation.....if you type those 3 words anywhere in your
message, it'll get distributed to the list, but won't waste
archive space and bandwidth. To me, that's a really cool
feature. No sense filling archives up with this type of thing.
This is gonna be nice....
Tim
Absolutely DO NOT ARCHIVE. :)
Dj Merrill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> John W. Cox wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>>
>> Switching over at 23:00Z, time now 18:48Z. Four hours and 12 minutes
>> to go.
>> Looking towards something more than just 0 messages on my daily RV-10
>> matronics reflector. Maybe we can put a smile on Mani's face this
>> weekend.
>> Matt hope you don't mind the traffic. Now I get to read Lancair and Yak
>> posts just like RV-10.
>
>
> Oh, I just can't help myself - ME TOO! *grin*
>
> -Dj
>
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| Subject: | Re: [RV10] A Downunder Bio |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Scott,
Great to see another young guy building a -10! I'm surprised at
the bios we've gotten. Lots of techies, lots of ex or current
military folks, and a bunch of young fellers.
Welcome, and I encourage you to post to the matronics list
at mailto:RV10-list@matronics.com. Just sign up
here: http://www.matronics.com/subscription/
For you, the list will operate much the same, but you should get
much quicker feedback when you start having questions. I replied
to you on that list.
Did you go QuickBuild or Slow?
Tim
--
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Scott Lewis wrote:
>
> Gotta Support the Aussies!!
>
> 25 year old doctor. Currently working at a major hospital, training in
> General Practice/Family Medicine. Married for 5 months.
>
> PPL with about 80 hours in C172s and PA28s. Decided to build after not
> being happy with what I could buy second-hand. Have always been quite
> mechanically minded, if I wasn't building a plane I would be restoring a
> vintage car or something.
>
> Career plan is to work in a small rural community. -10 will be used for
> transport (takes a while to get anywhere in Australia) and to holiday.
>
> Seeya,
> Scott Lewis
> RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
> Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
> mcgannron wrote:
>
>>
>>G'day all,
>>
>>The geek trend continues down under!
>>
>>49 year old professional systems/software engineer. Ex Air Force,
>>Electronic Warfare specialist currently working on AEW&C aircraft.
>>Married for 25 years with 3 kids (23, 21, 17) and one grand
>>daughter.
>>
>>PPL with ~150 hrs in C172s and PA28s. Wanted to build a plane since
>>I was a wee tacker, and building the -10 has been one amazing
>>journey!
>>Oz is a big place (500-1000 miles between family members) and I plan
>>to use the -10 to 'get around'.
>>
>>cheers,
>>Ron
>>40187 wings
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's
> 'Thanks & Giving.'
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/6iY7fA/5WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/1yWplB/TM
>
>
>
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>
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>
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21 MAR 2005,00:05 Zulu
In the days, weeks and months ahead I believe a lot of high kit # builders,
low # / low progress builders and lurkers with the desire to build, will be
pleasantly surprised as kit #40006 is flying. It is remarkable that in the
number of days, following clear concise factory instructions and standard
assembly practices any of us can produce the quality of flying aircraft as
the RV-10. Four Adult size passengers with a proven Lycoming IO-540
spinning a two blade Hartzell CS prop. Just following the directions. What
an accomplishment. I do not mean to diminish at all the experience that
Randy and his team have used, but when you put into perspective it is the
very, very first VAN's Four Place Kit Built in the Free World, done to such
high quality, on or ahead of schedule with the number of hours invested it
is staggeringly beautiful to behold. I for one have been thrilled to follow
the journey. Like Brian has said in the past.... Just build it.
I now have Channel Fever and for all you sailors out there - you remember
the feeling. For you aviators, it's like the realization 30 seconds after
liftoff once your Instructor wrote the Solo Endorsement on the back of your
medical while walking away with their big smile and eyes watching you Just
Do It.
John W. Cox
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>21 MAR 2005,00:05 Zulu
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In the days, weeks and months ahead I believe a lot of high
kit # builders, low # / low progress builders and lurkers with the desire to
build, will be pleasantly surprised as kit #40006 is flying. It is
remarkable that in the number of days, following clear concise factory instructions
and standard assembly practices any of us can produce the quality of flying
aircraft as the RV-10. Four Adult size passengers with a proven Lycoming IO-540
spinning a two blade Hartzell CS prop. Just following the directions. What an
accomplishment. I do not mean to diminish at all the experience that
Randy and his team have used, but when you put into perspective it is the very,
very first VAN's Four Place Kit Built in the Free World, done to such high
quality, on or ahead of schedule with the number of hours invested it is
staggeringly beautiful to behold. I for one have been thrilled to follow the
journey. Like Brian has said in the past.... Just build it.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I now have Channel Fever and for all you sailors out there -
you remember the feeling. For you aviators, it's like the realization
30 seconds after liftoff once your Instructor wrote the Solo Endorsement on the
back of your medical while walking away with their big smile and eyes watching
you Just Do It.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>John W. Cox <img
width=190 height=200 src="cid:image001.gif@01C52D77.914A9730">
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>
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| Subject: | Kit 40006 Flying |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Kit 40006 is flying!
21 MAR 2005,00:05 Zulu
In the days, weeks and months ahead I believe a lot of high kit # builders,
low # / low progress builders and lurkers with the desire to build, will be
pleasantly surprised as kit #40006 is flying. It is remarkable that in the
number of days, following clear concise factory instructions and standard
assembly practices any of us can produce the quality of flying aircraft as
the RV-10. Four Adult size passengers with a proven Lycoming IO-540
spinning a two blade Hartzell CS prop. Just following the directions. What
an accomplishment. I do not mean to diminish at all the experience that
Randy and his team have used, but when you put into perspective it is the
very, very first VAN's Four Place Kit Built in the Free World, done to such
high quality, on or ahead of schedule with the number of hours invested it
is staggeringly beautiful to behold. I for one have been thrilled to follow
the journey. Like Brian has said in the past.... Just build it.
I now have Channel Fever and for all you sailors out there - you remember
the feeling. For you aviators, it's like the realization 30 seconds after
liftoff once your Instructor wrote the Solo Endorsement on the back of your
medical while walking away with their big smile and eyes watching you Just
Do It.
John W. Cox
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Ok...I'll try...what's KABONG mean? And Is this how to respond?
Rick S.
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| Subject: | Re: Kit 40006 Flying |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'm trying to get actual voice confirmation of this, but if it
indeed is true, I'll get some photos from him pronto and get
them up for all to see!
I'll post a note here once we get them online.
Tim
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Larry wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Kit 40006 is flying!
>
>
> 21 MAR 2005,00:05 Zulu
>
> In the days, weeks and months ahead I believe a lot of high kit # builders,
> low # / low progress builders and lurkers with the desire to build, will be
> pleasantly surprised as kit #40006 is flying. It is remarkable that in the
> number of days, following clear concise factory instructions and standard
> assembly practices any of us can produce the quality of flying aircraft as
> the RV-10. Four Adult size passengers with a proven Lycoming IO-540
> spinning a two blade Hartzell CS prop. Just following the directions. What
> an accomplishment. I do not mean to diminish at all the experience that
> Randy and his team have used, but when you put into perspective it is the
> very, very first VAN's Four Place Kit Built in the Free World, done to such
> high quality, on or ahead of schedule with the number of hours invested it
> is staggeringly beautiful to behold. I for one have been thrilled to follow
> the journey. Like Brian has said in the past.... Just build it.
>
>
>
> I now have Channel Fever and for all you sailors out there - you remember
> the feeling. For you aviators, it's like the realization 30 seconds after
> liftoff once your Instructor wrote the Solo Endorsement on the back of your
> medical while walking away with their big smile and eyes watching you Just
> Do It.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
John,
As I read this I got the same butterflys that I had on the solo flight...Wonderful
to know Van's wasn't lucky twice over...Randy did it!!!
Rick S.
Learning Matroinics
Do not archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Ok....
First bonafide MAtroinic question. On the tanks, the tooling holes. Instructions
say fabricate patches and fill holes on end ribs....rivet and seal or just seal
them to the ribs??
Rick S.
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| Subject: | Re: Kit 40006 Flying |
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Rick ..... You're already off on the wrong foot! it's MATRONICS , not
matroinics!!!
Linn ..... working on getting Terry Coles project.
Rick wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
>John,
>
>As I read this I got the same butterflys that I had on the solo flight...Wonderful
to know Van's wasn't lucky twice over...Randy did it!!!
>
>Rick S.
>Learning Matroinics
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
On those patches, I prosealed them and riveted them with 2 rivets...
one on each side. (I used 3/32" round head rivets)
I did have suggestions from other builders to do things
like: Use big pop-rivets to fill the holes (Very cool idea if you
have the large pop-rivets handy...rolling the rivet in proseal too)
then proseal over it all, or use bolts and then proseal over it.
I think anything like that would work. Proseal alone would be too
risky for me....especially after seeing the air pressure blow out
my proseal. Same with only bolts or rivets.
If I had the large pop-rivets, that's what I'd do for sure.
--
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Rick wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> Ok....
>
> First bonafide MAtroinic question. On the tanks, the tooling holes. Instructions
say fabricate patches and fill holes on end ribs....rivet and seal or just
seal them to the ribs??
>
> Rick S.
>
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| Subject: | Kit 40006 Flying |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>Kit 40006 is flying!
>
>
>21 MAR 2005,00:05 Zulu
>
>In the days, weeks and months ahead I believe a lot of high kit # builders,
>low # / low progress builders and lurkers with the desire to build, will be
>pleasantly surprised as kit #40006 is flying. It is remarkable that in the
>number of days, following clear concise factory instructions and standard
>assembly practices any of us can produce the quality of flying aircraft as
>the RV-10. Four Adult size passengers with a proven Lycoming IO-540
>spinning a two blade Hartzell CS prop. Just following the directions. What
>an accomplishment. I do not mean to diminish at all the experience that
>Randy and his team have used, but when you put into perspective it is the
>very, very first VAN's Four Place Kit Built in the Free World, done to such
>high quality, on or ahead of schedule with the number of hours invested it
>is staggeringly beautiful to behold. I for one have been thrilled to follow
>the journey. Like Brian has said in the past.... Just build it.
SWEEET!! Well done, Randy and co.! Man, this is so impressive...the scale
and scope of building a four place aircraft, with RV performance, in such a
swift and quality manner, is positively inspiring.
Watch out CessnaBeechPiper. Check six 'cuz the four place market just got
rocked.
Indeed it is true, just BUILD YOUR AIRPLANES folks. Yahoo, Matronics, blah
blah blah. Fuhgedaboudit! Log off, get yer butts in the shop, follow the
instructions, and fly your dream machines.
I fully expect an avalanche of completions in the latter half of this year
with continuing evolutions in creativity, panels and all the creature
comforts the added room offers us. Wet bar and disco ball anyone?
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
lol.....A freshman again...for the umteenth time
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Second ping for confirmation of your KABONG.
John C.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: One Ping for Effect
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Ok...I'll try...what's KABONG mean? And Is this how to respond?
Rick S.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi Rob,
I don't think you have to worry about the 51% rule...especially if
you go slowbuild. There's a lot of work to do, and a lot of things
that they actually force you to fabricate just to meet the
regs for the 51% rule. They've stated before that basically it's
not a true 51%, but a big checklist of skill type items that they
have you go through. If you meet all of the things on their checklist
then it should qualify. I do believe I've heard that they did
evaluate the -10. In fact, I'm trying to remember, but I think
that's one of the reasons they built RV-10 #2...to evaluate the
kit construction. You may want to call them directly, but really,
unless you build a QB, I wouldn't worry about it even enough to call
them.
Tim
PS: I replied to your message on the Matronics list...hope to see
you there.
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Robert G. Wright wrote:
>
> I just reviewed the January 2005 Revised List for 51% approved kits, and the
> RV-10 is not on there. Van's website still states that all kits (including
> QB) are 51% compliant.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any better sounding info than this? Has the -10 just not been
> evaluated yet?
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> If it's been evaluated and not placed on the list, what else does one need
> to manufacture to make it compliant?
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My apologies to sailors, pilots, RV-10 builders and lurkers alike. I did
not intend to say that Randy's project #40006 had already flown. I intended
to say that in the days, weeks or months ahead it should be flying and that
there is tremendous excitement around the event. That announcement will
come from only from Randy. Sorry for all the Sunday confusion.
John W. Cox - KUAO
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<span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>My apologies to sailors,
pilots, RV-10 builders and lurkers alike. I did not intend to say that
Randy's project #40006 had already flown. I intended to say that in
the days, weeks or months ahead it should be flying and that there is
tremendous excitement around the event. That announcement will come from only
from Randy. Sorry for all the Sunday confusion.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Here's the short version of the KABONG story. Unlike the Yahoo RV-10 list
(that I just unsubscribe to) you can ask anything & find friends around the
world. Building is great, flying is better and forming personal bonds is
priceless. You don't make friends by just asking ONLY "How do you put tab
"A" into slot Q" or answering that question. There is a "Band of Brothers"
in the RV world and it's Matt & his matronics list(s) that have created it.
Enjoy. Still planning on building a -10 but right now the HRII occupies my
time. Rough job but somebody's got to do it. 8*) KABONG (GBA & GWB)
(Why yes I did see "Red October") Tell us where your located ?. HRII N561FS
is hangered at APV, Apple Valley, Calif. and as everyone on the list(s)
know, if we're there, ya'll are welcome any time.
Do Not Archive. (We add this so as not to fill up the archives)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: One Ping for Effect
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> Ok...I'll try...what's KABONG mean? And Is this how to respond?
>
> Rick S.
The "handle" has stuck with me since I was on Fontana PD. Below are a coupla
responses I given in the past. Spent 5 plus years helping in the building of
retired USAF Maj. Tom Gummo's HRII Rocket. Tom was an F-4 Wild Weasel with a
name and body shape (his words) he was Gummibear. Most So. Cal RV guys have
call sign (handle) and somewhere about 6-7 years ago someone asked if I had
a "call sign" and I told the story. KABONG still sticks. Yes, as a matter of
fact I do have videos of the cartoon that features "El Kabong" . KABONG
(The Bong referred to was the USAAF P-38 WWII ace)
There was a children's TV cartoon that had a character called "EL Kabong"
>who would wear a cape and a mask and would swing into some action scene on
>a
>rope or a vine only to crash into something while hollering that he was "El
>Kabong" - are we reliving our childhood?
>
>John
>
That was a CHILDREN'S cartoon???
Charlie
No relation to Bong. Kabong is a handle shortened from El Kabong of cartoon
fame. He "kabongs" bad guys with a guitar. When I was a patrol Sgt on
Fontana PD and broke the wooden stocks of two 12 ga shotguns by using the
shotgun more like a baton. Went to a City Halloween party dress all in
western black complete with guns. Someone asked if I were Quicks Draw
McGraw, one of my patrolman chimed in with "Na, he's El Kabong" (Quicks Draw
McGraws masked alter ego) and it stuck. KABONG
Fontana, Calif. is 50 miles due east of LA and these days is best known for
the Fontana Raceway, NASCAR, INDY, NHRA etc. Used to be the site of the
largest steel mill west of the Mississippi, Kaiser Steel. The Hell's Angels
originated at the A&W Root Beer drive-in on Sierra Ave. in Fontana. Some of
the LAPD SWAT types had pistol grip as part of the full sized stock. I
talked the Chief into getting the city to buy one for "tests" and mounted on
my 12 ga. Their solid rubber type is stock looking but has a molded in
"pistol grip" also. It bends and rebounds without breaking. The Chief only
asked that I not charge the city for any more stocks. Never broke another
one, also used the other end which was a lot stronger. No, I never did have
to shoot anyone with 00 buck, I think it was because the perp's believed I
really would shoot them and maybe mixed with a little of the Kabong legend.
They were right. KABONG
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
LOL, I was picturing that white bird flying across the big blue in my
mind...
It won't be long, that's for sure.
-Sean #40303
John W. Cox wrote:
> My apologies to sailors, pilots, RV-10 builders and lurkers alike. I
> did not intend to say that Randy's project #40006 had already flown.
> I intended to say that in the days, weeks or months ahead it should be
> flying and that there is tremendous excitement around the event. That
> announcement will come from only from Randy. Sorry for all the Sunday
> confusion.
>
>
>
> John W. Cox - KUAO
>
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