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1. 06:06 AM - Re: Antennas (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Antennas (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
3. 06:13 AM - Re: Antennas (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Antennas (Tim Olson)
5. 06:59 AM - Re: 7.9mm drill bit (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
6. 07:12 AM - Re: Antennas (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
7. 07:15 AM - Re: Nosegear (Paul Folbrecht)
8. 07:19 AM - Re: Seating (Rick)
9. 07:42 AM - Re: The Jump --- was Seating (Tim Olson)
10. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Nosegear (Jim Combs)
11. 08:21 AM - Re: The Jump --- was Seating (Rick)
12. 09:03 AM - Fuel sender installation (Rick)
13. 10:07 AM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Jim Combs)
14. 10:14 AM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
15. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Nosegear (Randy DeBauw)
16. 11:03 AM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Randy DeBauw)
17. 11:06 AM - Re: Seating (Jesse Saint)
18. 12:25 PM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Tim Olson)
19. 01:03 PM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Rick)
20. 01:21 PM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Droopy Erickson)
21. 03:16 PM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Tim Olson)
22. 03:27 PM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr))
23. 03:43 PM - Re: Fuel sender installation (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
24. 03:54 PM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Jim Combs)
25. 06:42 PM - Re: Fuel sender installation (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
26. 07:29 PM - extended range (James Ochs)
27. 09:43 PM - Re: extended range (Scott Lewis)
28. 10:00 PM - Re: extended range (Scott Schmidt)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
As far as antennas, I wonder about the darker reinforcing mesh that seems to be
inside parts of the cabin lid. Is it carbon?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
Subject: RV10-List: Antennas
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sheldon Olesen <saolesen@sirentel.net>
I have been thinking about antenna placement and I think we have a big
advantage over our smaller RV brothers. I think the large fiberglass
cabin cover would be ideal for placement of some homemade antennas.
The nav antenna would be a good candidate for this position since they
horizontally polarized. The antenna consists of two 1/2" strips of
copper foil attached to the usual coax with 3 ferrite baluns on the
coax near the foil. I think $5 would build it. I used these on my
Long-EZ and they worked well. With a proper antenna splitter you can
get glideslope as well. Marker beacons and com are also possible but
I bought a commercial com antenna because I don't want anything
radiating energy so close to my head. Getting the com antenna vertical
enough is also a problem.
I am not a radio guy so do any of electronics guys see a problem with
this?
Sheldon Olesen
40080
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sheldon,
This might work if you bond the strips to the outside of the cabin top, but the
top actually contains graphite sheet for reinforcement. Another option (what
I went with) would be the Archer antenna that goes in the wingtip. You can split
out glideslope and Bob Archer recommends an MB antenna which is just simply
coax with the last 53" of shield braid stripped off. This is then bonded to
the bottom of the wingtip 3" away from, and parallel to the edge. Like you,
I went with commercial comm and transponder antennas on the belly.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
Subject: RV10-List: Antennas
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sheldon Olesen <saolesen@sirentel.net>
I have been thinking about antenna placement and I think we have a big
advantage over our smaller RV brothers. I think the large fiberglass
cabin cover would be ideal for placement of some homemade antennas.
The nav antenna would be a good candidate for this position since they
horizontally polarized. The antenna consists of two 1/2" strips of
copper foil attached to the usual coax with 3 ferrite baluns on the
coax near the foil. I think $5 would build it. I used these on my
Long-EZ and they worked well. With a proper antenna splitter you can
get glideslope as well. Marker beacons and com are also possible but
I bought a commercial com antenna because I don't want anything
radiating energy so close to my head. Getting the com antenna vertical
enough is also a problem.
I am not a radio guy so do any of electronics guys see a problem with
this?
Sheldon Olesen
40080
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@Sausen.net>
The one thing I would be very careful of is any part of the metal
airframe casting a shadow on the antennas. You don't want your Nav or
any other antennas in your glass roof trying to look down through the
airframe. That said, I don't see any reason that you could put any
antennas that look up like XM or GPS in your overhead.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
Olesen
Subject: RV10-List: Antennas
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sheldon Olesen <saolesen@sirentel.net>
I have been thinking about antenna placement and I think we have a big
advantage over our smaller RV brothers. I think the large fiberglass
cabin cover would be ideal for placement of some homemade antennas.
The nav antenna would be a good candidate for this position since they
horizontally polarized. The antenna consists of two 1/2" strips of
copper foil attached to the usual coax with 3 ferrite baluns on the
coax near the foil. I think $5 would build it. I used these on my
Long-EZ and they worked well. With a proper antenna splitter you can
get glideslope as well. Marker beacons and com are also possible but I
bought a commercial com antenna because I don't want anything radiating
energy so close to my head. Getting the com antenna vertical enough is
also a problem.
I am not a radio guy so do any of electronics guys see a problem with
this?
Sheldon Olesen
40080
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That's what I thought I heard......I can't remember if it was Kevlar, or
Carbon Fiber that they called it, but yeah, there's definitely something
implanted in the cabin lid.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
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> As far as antennas, I wonder about the darker reinforcing mesh that
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> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sheldon
> Olesen Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:08 AM To:
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sheldon Olesen
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> I have been thinking about antenna placement and I think we have a
> big advantage over our smaller RV brothers. I think the large
> fiberglass cabin cover would be ideal for placement of some homemade
> antennas. The nav antenna would be a good candidate for this position
> since they horizontally polarized. The antenna consists of two 1/2"
> strips of copper foil attached to the usual coax with 3 ferrite
> baluns on the coax near the foil. I think $5 would build it. I
> used these on my Long-EZ and they worked well. With a proper antenna
> splitter you can get glideslope as well. Marker beacons and com are
> also possible but I bought a commercial com antenna because I don't
> want anything radiating energy so close to my head. Getting the com
> antenna vertical enough is also a problem.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Speaking of Titanium gear legs, I have been flying a Sonex latly with Ti
gear legs, wow they are nice. I would put a set on the RV-10 in a hear
beat.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm drill bit
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I called Van's on this too and they said to just use a 5/16". You have
to make sure that the hole in the gear leg is perfectly aligned with the
predrilled hole in the mount. Really no problem.
One thing though that I'm not too impressed with is the weight of those
gear legs. WOW!!! I hope someone will offer a titanium version soon.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm drill bit
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
It is just the tube Tim. The landing gear leg is solid and no one can
drill it. VERY HARD. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 7.9mm drill bit
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Is this drilling through solid, or tubular material? It would be
nice to know because if it was solid, I'd probably buy 2 bits in
case of having a bit break. If other people find a good source
on these, post it. I still have a good lead time to need it, but
I would like to buy it well in advance. Hey, Mike from Cleaveland...
any chance you could obtain and source these for us 10 builders??
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Chris , Susie McGough wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
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> Are you telling us you have to drill the gear leg Holes ??
> We had to do this on the 6 Tail ...pain in the but.
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil White" <philwhite9@aol.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:30 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: 7.9mm drill bit
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Phil White" <philwhite9@aol.com>
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>> call for to drill the main gear leg sockets? Need a source for an
>> affordable bit, or perhaps we might share a bit among several
builders.
>> I learned that Bisco FL carries the metric bit at $2.45 plus at
>> least $7 shipping. Van's tech support told me that they call for
this
>> bit that is 1.5 thousanths undersize because 5/16" bolts run
>> undersize, and they want a snug fit for this only bolt that holds our
>> gear leg on!
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
During OSH last year I know that Van said that they added graphite to the doors
to solve the early door flexing problem, and I thought he said that was also
what was in the lid. Bottom line is that there is indeed something there that
would compromise antenna performance, they have specifically stated that.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antennas
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That's what I thought I heard......I can't remember if it was Kevlar, or
Carbon Fiber that they called it, but yeah, there's definitely something
implanted in the cabin lid.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
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> As far as antennas, I wonder about the darker reinforcing mesh that
> seems to be inside parts of the cabin lid. Is it carbon?
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> TDT
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> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sheldon
> Olesen Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:08 AM To:
> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Antennas
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sheldon Olesen
> <saolesen@sirentel.net>
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> I have been thinking about antenna placement and I think we have a
> big advantage over our smaller RV brothers. I think the large
> fiberglass cabin cover would be ideal for placement of some homemade
> antennas. The nav antenna would be a good candidate for this position
> since they horizontally polarized. The antenna consists of two 1/2"
> strips of copper foil attached to the usual coax with 3 ferrite
> baluns on the coax near the foil. I think $5 would build it. I
> used these on my Long-EZ and they worked well. With a proper antenna
> splitter you can get glideslope as well. Marker beacons and com are
> also possible but I bought a commercial com antenna because I don't
> want anything radiating energy so close to my head. Getting the com
> antenna vertical enough is also a problem.
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> this?
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
I was going to make a post inquiring about nosegear stiffeners or an
aftermarket nosegear. The gear is fine for normal use, of course, but
it would be really nice to have one that could possibly absorb a nasty
off-airport forced landing without folding. We've probably all heard
about the fatal RV landing flip in OR a week or two ago.
On Mar 25, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Noel & Yoshie Simmons wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
> <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
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> Speaking of Titanium gear legs, I have been flying a Sonex latly with
> Ti
> gear legs, wow they are nice. I would put a set on the RV-10 in a hear
> beat.
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> Noel
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Looks like the gangs almost all here....everyone remember the days when this list
had zero posts? I'm glad Tim is not affiliated with the government in any way
seeing how he successfully pulled off this coup.
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: The Jump --- was Seating |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
LOL! Actually, it was a "group" effort. :) If it wasn't for the
group benefitting from it, people wouldn't have wanted to go. But,
I do thank the very good core bunch of people who helped get this
thing done. Believe me, when someone is working in an underhanded
fashion to DELETE your posts, or even more offensively, to
EDIT THE TEXT of your posts, to prevent information flow... it
makes it a bit harder. Made me think perhaps we were in some
middle-eastern non-democratic or communist country or something.
I'm not quite that little feller standing in front of the tank in
Tian'anmen square though....there's LOTS of thanks that should go
out to many others.
Now, that said, at work I'm often pulled into projects that I
shouldn't be, simply because they know that when something
needs doing, I'll get it done....for that, I'm very happy.
It's all for you guys. Otherwise, why would any of us spend
time documenting things on websites, and in groups. People
want info, and some NEED it timely. So we work together.
Thanks again everyone.
Tim
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rick wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
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> Looks like the gangs almost all here....everyone remember the days
> when this list had zero posts? I'm glad Tim is not affiliated with
> the government in any way seeing how he successfully pulled off this
> coup.
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> Rick S. 40185 Wings
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
The nosegear design on the -10 is significantly different from all the previous
designs. I crawled under the one at Osh lst year and it is way better than previous
designs.
It now pivets and has a rubber bushing to help absorb much of the beating it has
to take.
Maybe someone who has the last of the kits could comment / take picture.
Jim Combs
#40192
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
I was going to make a post inquiring about nosegear stiffeners or an
aftermarket nosegear. The gear is fine for normal use, of course, but
it would be really nice to have one that could possibly absorb a nasty
off-airport forced landing without folding. We've probably all heard
about the fatal RV landing flip in OR a week or two ago.
On Mar 25, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Noel & Yoshie Simmons wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
> <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
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> Speaking of Titanium gear legs, I have been flying a Sonex latly with
> Ti
> gear legs, wow they are nice. I would put a set on the RV-10 in a hear
> beat.
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> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: The Jump --- was Seating |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
In all fairness to the Yahoo moderators....Can you imagine James McClow UNMODERATED???
See there is a purpose and at times a need for moderation....wait, that's
reserved for adult libations..nevermind. Jimmy Mac if your out there please
come back!!
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| Subject: | Fuel sender installation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Hello fellow Prosealers,
Quick question, Van's specifys to Proseal the fuel sender when you install it for
the final time. My question is do you still use the rubber gasket or screw
it on all slathered up in proseal metal to metal? Also it looks like there is
no handing (a left or a right) for the sender, any problem with the right tank
and bending the float rod since it is 1/2" further aft of the left tank position?
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sender installation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Rick,
There definately is a left and right fuel sender.
The sender should be high resistance in the empty position.
I will check tonight, but I believe there are two different part numbers as well.
Jim Combs
#40192
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From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Hello fellow Prosealers,
Quick question, Van's specifys to Proseal the fuel sender when you install it for
the final time. My question is do you still use the rubber gasket or screw
it on all slathered up in proseal metal to metal? Also it looks like there is
no handing (a left or a right) for the sender, any problem with the right tank
and bending the float rod since it is 1/2" further aft of the left tank position?
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Fuel sender installation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
The fuel sender fit, orientation, etc. was discussed at length a few months ago
over on the Yahoo group. As part of the discussion Randy posted some pix in
the Photos area showing his install. I remember following up with a post that
gave specifics of exactly what was being shown in the photos as a summary for
future reference. The photos are in the "40006 Photos" folder. You should be
able to find the discussion thread by searching for "sender". It will answer
all of your questions - sorry I can give you more specifics right now. The
left and right are definitely different part numbers!
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel sender installation
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Rick,
There definately is a left and right fuel sender.
The sender should be high resistance in the empty position.
I will check tonight, but I believe there are two different part numbers as well.
Jim Combs
#40192
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Hello fellow Prosealers,
Quick question, Van's specifys to Proseal the fuel sender when you install it for
the final time. My question is do you still use the rubber gasket or screw
it on all slathered up in proseal metal to metal? Also it looks like there is
no handing (a left or a right) for the sender, any problem with the right tank
and bending the float rod since it is 1/2" further aft of the left tank position?
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
You can see all of the front end at www.myrv10.com. Go to Randy's 40006. Tim has hosted all of my photos on his site. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nosegear
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
The nosegear design on the -10 is significantly different from all the previous
designs. I crawled under the one at Osh lst year and it is way better than previous
designs.
It now pivets and has a rubber bushing to help absorb much of the beating it has
to take.
Maybe someone who has the last of the kits could comment / take picture.
Jim Combs
#40192
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
I was going to make a post inquiring about nosegear stiffeners or an
aftermarket nosegear. The gear is fine for normal use, of course, but
it would be really nice to have one that could possibly absorb a nasty
off-airport forced landing without folding. We've probably all heard
about the fatal RV landing flip in OR a week or two ago.
On Mar 25, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Noel & Yoshie Simmons wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
> <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
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> Speaking of Titanium gear legs, I have been flying a Sonex latly with
> Ti
> gear legs, wow they are nice. I would put a set on the RV-10 in a hear
> beat.
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> Noel
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
There was a left and right to mine. You do use the gasket so you can have a point
to break the seal if you ever need to remove them. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel sender installation
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Hello fellow Prosealers,
Quick question, Van's specifys to Proseal the fuel sender when you install it for
the final time. My question is do you still use the rubber gasket or screw
it on all slathered up in proseal metal to metal? Also it looks like there is
no handing (a left or a right) for the sender, any problem with the right tank
and bending the float rod since it is 1/2" further aft of the left tank position?
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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clamav-milter version 0.80j
on osiris
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I had never knows about the other group, which sounds like I wasn't missing
much. Up until a couple of weeks ago I hardly ever had anything coming in
on this one. Now I have to spend an hour a day sorting through and reading
it all. I don't mind that much, though. It's all good information. Is
there a way of finding out how many people are on this specific list? I
would also be interesting to know the age distribution of -10 builders. I
am 26 and building with a 25 year-old friend, as a project for the
organization I work for (see website below if you're interested).
There is a current drawing of what we hope to have for a panel here
(www.itecusa.org/images/rv10panel.jpg). Are most of you cutting your own
panels or getting them CNC'ed? We're getting a CNC to cut the round holes
and screw holes and to scratch the square holes.
Thanks to all of ya'll for all of the information that we have been
gleaning. It has been very helpful.
GOD BLESS!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seating
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Looks like the gangs almost all here....everyone remember the days when this
list had zero posts? I'm glad Tim is not affiliated with the government in
any way seeing how he successfully pulled off this coup.
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sender installation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Rick,
Absolutely make sure you're head's on straight (I know that's
hard for you. :) ) when you start the fuel senders.
There is absolutely a left and right. The holes will also
only allow them to be placed at one clocking position. I know
at least one person re-drilled the holes thinking something
was wrong, and I myself bent one of the float wires wrong
at one point. I do have some good photos on my page at:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20041107/index.html
You'll have to do a visualization on which tank you're looking
at to see how the parts orient themselves.
Work slow, and no prosealing until you get it right. Also,
NO DRILLING. And, don't bend the floats until you see
the picture in your head really well. Also, bend the
floats over something sharp so it gets a nice tight bend.
I may have something on my page (not sure) that talked
about how I did that.
Tim
Here's a couple of bob's old posts:
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My boxes were labeled IEF-385B (left) and IEF-385C (right). Probably
best to label them left & right as soon as you get them so that
there's no mix up later.
For those that haven't dealt with these yet, there are five mounting
holes but the spacing isn't equal so that they only line up with the
rib holes one way.
Bob #40105
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Now you guys have me wondering. I am positive that I received
float senders from Van's that were marked with the L&R part numbers.
I believe that these were IEF-385B (left) and IEF-386C (right).
I did notice when I installed the sender in the right tank with the
holes lined up, the unit had the float arm retaining clip on the
bottom instead of the top (like the left side) of the unit. I didn't
give it much thought at the time, nor did I actually do a resistance
check to see if it behaved correctly. I'm not absolutely positive that
the above part numbers are correct, but I am sure that I ordered (and
received) the specified L&R parts and that the correct part number was
installed in each tank. I will check resistance of each tonight in the
empty position and see what they show...
Randy )or anybody else) - do you remember if the retaining
clips were both on top after you installed your senders using the
factory mounting holes? Although I'll know for sure tonight after I
check the resistance, I'm wondering if there is a batch of mismarked
fuel senders coming from Van's.
Bob #40105
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I just checked the resistence of both of my fuel senders and they
both indicate 247 ohms when empty. My installation matches Randy's
pictures where the clip is on top in the left tank and on bottom on
the right tank. My senders are installed in the factory holes
(sender flange and end rib).
Randy's pictures are in the photo section under 40006. Just for
orientation for those not yet at this stage:
picture DSCN1653 is left tank
pictures DSCN1654 & 5 are right tank
Thanks for the pictures Randy, but the fuselage stuff is a lot cooler
to look at!
Bob #40105
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> The fuel sender fit, orientation, etc. was discussed at length a few
> months ago over on the Yahoo group. As part of the discussion Randy
> posted some pix in the Photos area showing his install. I remember
> following up with a post that gave specifics of exactly what was
> being shown in the photos as a summary for future reference. The
> photos are in the "40006 Photos" folder. You should be able to find
> the discussion thread by searching for "sender". It will answer all
> of your questions - sorry I can give you more specifics right now.
> The left and right are definitely different part numbers!
>
> Bob #40105
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:07 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel sender installation
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs"
> <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
> Rick,
>
> There definately is a left and right fuel sender.
>
> The sender should be high resistance in the empty position.
>
> I will check tonight, but I believe there are two different part
> numbers as well.
>
> Jim Combs #40192
>
> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From:
> Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com Date:
> Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:01:15 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> Hello fellow Prosealers,
>
> Quick question, Van's specifys to Proseal the fuel sender when you
> install it for the final time. My question is do you still use the
> rubber gasket or screw it on all slathered up in proseal metal to
> metal? Also it looks like there is no handing (a left or a right) for
> the sender, any problem with the right tank and bending the float rod
> since it is 1/2" further aft of the left tank position?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sender installation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
I did get two different ones part numbers but they look the same. If I point them
at each other like they are installed opposed to each other in the tanks, the
pivot arm on the tank front side of the assembly on one and the back of the
other...make sense? I already lined them up on the holes with no problem, It
just seemed strange that they looked the same. Hopefully this weekend I'll discover
more, my main concern was to use the gasket or not, Randy answered that
one. I can figure out the mechanics of it pretty well...and yes I remember the
discussion on the Yahoo board, I tried to search the archive...oh never mind
you know the story. 8>)
Rick (I'll never ask again) S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Fuel sender installation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Droopy Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
Rick,
Just drug mine out to figure it out. If you look at the sender units
(not the floats with the wire on it), put the word "Mexico" on the plate
at the top. One of the unit attached on the bottom will point right and
the other left. Up to you to figure out which is which tho... If you got
two of the same part, give me a call and you can use mine and give me
yours after you get it swapped out. It'll be a little while before I
need it anyway...
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel sender installation
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
I did get two different ones part numbers but they look the same. If I
point them at each other like they are installed opposed to each other
in the tanks, the pivot arm on the tank front side of the assembly on
one and the back of the other...make sense? I already lined them up on
the holes with no problem, It just seemed strange that they looked the
same. Hopefully this weekend I'll discover more, my main concern was to
use the gasket or not, Randy answered that one. I can figure out the
mechanics of it pretty well...and yes I remember the discussion on the
Yahoo board, I tried to search the archive...oh never mind you know the
story. 8>)
Rick (I'll never ask again) S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sender installation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That sounds right, from my fading memory. If you face them towards
eachother, yes, the pivot arm and rod of the float will be on
opposite sides of the arm. One forward, and one rear. I
believe that is true. I did use the gasket, too. I prosealed
both sides of it on assembly.
You're right about the archives. We should have been here a
year ago.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Rick wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> I did get two different ones part numbers but they look the same. If
> I point them at each other like they are installed opposed to each
> other in the tanks, the pivot arm on the tank front side of the
> assembly on one and the back of the other...make sense? I already
> lined them up on the holes with no problem, It just seemed strange
> that they looked the same. Hopefully this weekend I'll discover more,
> my main concern was to use the gasket or not, Randy answered that
> one. I can figure out the mechanics of it pretty well...and yes I
> remember the discussion on the Yahoo board, I tried to search the
> archive...oh never mind you know the story. 8>)
>
> Rick (I'll never ask again) S. 40185 Wings
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| Subject: | Fuel sender installation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr)" <nikolaos.napoli@ngc.com>
I would think that the purpose of the gasket is for sealing so you don't have to
apply proseal to it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel sender installation
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That sounds right, from my fading memory. If you face them towards
eachother, yes, the pivot arm and rod of the float will be on
opposite sides of the arm. One forward, and one rear. I
believe that is true. I did use the gasket, too. I prosealed
both sides of it on assembly.
You're right about the archives. We should have been here a
year ago.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Rick wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> I did get two different ones part numbers but they look the same. If
> I point them at each other like they are installed opposed to each
> other in the tanks, the pivot arm on the tank front side of the
> assembly on one and the back of the other...make sense? I already
> lined them up on the holes with no problem, It just seemed strange
> that they looked the same. Hopefully this weekend I'll discover more,
> my main concern was to use the gasket or not, Randy answered that
> one. I can figure out the mechanics of it pretty well...and yes I
> remember the discussion on the Yahoo board, I tried to search the
> archive...oh never mind you know the story. 8>)
>
> Rick (I'll never ask again) S. 40185 Wings
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> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Fuel sender installation |
Hmm, I wonder if there is anyway we can pull the archives from the Yahoo list and
stuff them into the archives here! Matt....?
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel sender installation
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That sounds right, from my fading memory. If you face them towards
eachother, yes, the pivot arm and rod of the float will be on
opposite sides of the arm. One forward, and one rear. I
believe that is true. I did use the gasket, too. I prosealed
both sides of it on assembly.
You're right about the archives. We should have been here a
year ago.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Rick wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> I did get two different ones part numbers but they look the same. If
> I point them at each other like they are installed opposed to each
> other in the tanks, the pivot arm on the tank front side of the
> assembly on one and the back of the other...make sense? I already
> lined them up on the holes with no problem, It just seemed strange
> that they looked the same. Hopefully this weekend I'll discover more,
> my main concern was to use the gasket or not, Randy answered that
> one. I can figure out the mechanics of it pretty well...and yes I
> remember the discussion on the Yahoo board, I tried to search the
> archive...oh never mind you know the story. 8>)
>
> Rick (I'll never ask again) S. 40185 Wings
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Fuel sender installation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
If I remember the discussion about the gasket, the recomendation was to proseal
the gasket too. Most of the comments about using the gasket by itself was that
it will leak eventually. Proseal all the joints.
Leaking tanks are NOT easily repaired.
Jim Combs
#40192
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr)" <nikolaos.napoli@ngc.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr)" <nikolaos.napoli@ngc.com>
I would think that the purpose of the gasket is for sealing so you don't have to
apply proseal to it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel sender installation
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That sounds right, from my fading memory. If you face them towards
eachother, yes, the pivot arm and rod of the float will be on
opposite sides of the arm. One forward, and one rear. I
believe that is true. I did use the gasket, too. I prosealed
both sides of it on assembly.
You're right about the archives. We should have been here a
year ago.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Rick wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> I did get two different ones part numbers but they look the same. If
> I point them at each other like they are installed opposed to each
> other in the tanks, the pivot arm on the tank front side of the
> assembly on one and the back of the other...make sense? I already
> lined them up on the holes with no problem, It just seemed strange
> that they looked the same. Hopefully this weekend I'll discover more,
> my main concern was to use the gasket or not, Randy answered that
> one. I can figure out the mechanics of it pretty well...and yes I
> remember the discussion on the Yahoo board, I tried to search the
> archive...oh never mind you know the story. 8>)
>
> Rick (I'll never ask again) S. 40185 Wings
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119s web page:
http://www.eaa119.org/
It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and 12
hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where he
cant land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
question how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
their RV?
As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
James
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
G'day James,
I am considering it for my -10, simply because it can be a long way to
go anywhere in Australia.
There are a couple of options I am aware of:
1) SafeAir1 have just listed extended range RV-10 tanks on their website
(http://www.safeair1.com). They add about 15 gallons and appear to sit
within the wingtips.
2) Flymore, a company here in South Australia run by Jon Johanson (of
RV-4-three-times-around-the-world-and-to-Antarctica fame) have long been
producing fibreglass wingtip tanks for the RV series, with the exception
of the -10. When my wing kit arrives in just over a months time I
intend to take the wingtips to him to see whether a similar design would
be viable for the -10 (ie cost vs extra fuel capacity). The tanks are
extremely well built. See the website http://www.flymore.com.au
When Jon prepared his aircraft to go to the South Pole his RV-4 was set
up to carry more than 1000 litres (264 gallons) of fuel. Most of the
wing was converted to tanks, including the fibreglass wingtip tanks
previously mentioned, and I'm pretty sure he also had a sizeable
fuselage tank. That then necessitated a more powerful engine and other
modifications to improve lift from the wings (vortex generators etc).
The end result, an RV-4 with about 36 hours endurance.
Seeya,
Scott Lewis
Adelaide, South Australia
RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
James Ochs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
>
> I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119s web page:
>
> http://www.eaa119.org/
>
> It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
> the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and 12
> hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where he
> cant land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
> question how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
> something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
> but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
> their RV?
>
> As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
> that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
>
> James
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No problem for the RV-10. Just add 100 gallons of gas and you can have yourself
a great round-the-world plane.
Since the RV-10 is experimental, you get to determine the gross weight for it.
I just received my weight and balance sheets from Van's and I need to run the
calculations but you should be able to put 600 lbs in the back seats and then
add wing tip tanks as well.
Now you may not be able to land with all that fuel but you should be able to take
off.
If you are intersted in taking your 10 around the world you should definately start
reading everything you can on this site.
I know I am. Why wouldn't you want to fly around the world?
http://www.earthrounders.com/
-Scott Schmidt
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of James Ochs
Subject: RV10-List: extended range
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119's web page:
http://www.eaa119.org/
It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and 12
hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where he
can't land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
question... how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
their RV?
As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
James
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