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1. 03:40 AM - Re: extended range (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
2. 04:01 AM - Re: Nosegear (Russell Daves)
3. 04:05 AM - Re: Seating (Russell Daves)
4. 05:12 AM - Re: Seating (David & Miriam Talley)
5. 01:32 PM - Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives... (Matt Dralle)
6. 01:41 PM - Rainy day reflections - Long (John W. Cox)
7. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives... (Guy)
8. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives... (Guy)
9. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives... (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
10. 03:02 PM - Do Not Archive? (Jesse Saint)
11. 03:13 PM - Re: D* Not Archive? (Matt Dralle)
12. 03:23 PM - Re: extended range (Jesse Saint)
13. 03:31 PM - Wing Tips (Eric Butler)
14. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives... (Matt Dralle)
15. 04:14 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
16. 04:28 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Larry)
17. 05:09 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Tim Olson)
18. 06:46 PM - Re: extended range (Sean Stephens)
19. 07:02 PM - Re: extended range (Jesse Saint)
20. 08:02 PM - Re: extended range (Sean Stephens)
21. 09:52 PM - Re: extended range (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
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How about some surplus drop tanks? : )
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Scott Lewis
Subject: Re: RV10-List: extended range
--> RV10-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
G'day James,
I am considering it for my -10, simply because it can be a long way to
go anywhere in Australia.
There are a couple of options I am aware of:
1) SafeAir1 have just listed extended range RV-10 tanks on their website
(http://www.safeair1.com). They add about 15 gallons and appear to sit
within the wingtips.
2) Flymore, a company here in South Australia run by Jon Johanson (of
RV-4-three-times-around-the-world-and-to-Antarctica fame) have long been
producing fibreglass wingtip tanks for the RV series, with the exception
of the -10. When my wing kit arrives in just over a months time I
intend to take the wingtips to him to see whether a similar design would
be viable for the -10 (ie cost vs extra fuel capacity). The tanks are
extremely well built. See the website http://www.flymore.com.au
When Jon prepared his aircraft to go to the South Pole his RV-4 was set
up to carry more than 1000 litres (264 gallons) of fuel. Most of the
wing was converted to tanks, including the fibreglass wingtip tanks
previously mentioned, and I'm pretty sure he also had a sizeable
fuselage tank. That then necessitated a more powerful engine and other
modifications to improve lift from the wings (vortex generators etc).
The end result, an RV-4 with about 36 hours endurance.
Seeya,
Scott Lewis
Adelaide, South Australia
RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
James Ochs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
>
> I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119's web page:
>
> http://www.eaa119.org/
>
> It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
> the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and 12
> hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where he
> can't land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
> question... how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
> something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
> but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
> their RV?
>
> As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
> that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
>
> James
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If you look at the Nosegear in the Finish Kit I think you will be surprised. It
looks a LOT beefier than the other RV nosegear. It also has four Mooney brand
illisators (shocks) built into the nose gear leg.
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Thanks to Tim I figured out a way to get the posts without getting the e-mails.
I just subsribed to the LIST only. I am a day late getting the posts, but who
cares, my mother always told me if I keep hanging around the airport I would
be a day late and a dollar short. Back then a dollar was a lot of money!!
I could buy five gallons of gas and slow fiy that J-3 Cub for almost two hours.
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<20050324182246.CYMZ7277.mta10.adelphia.net@robert>
--> RV10-List message posted by: David & Miriam Talley <rv10@satx.rr.com>
My wife is also a pilot and when we flew our $50 each flight at OSH, we
each took our places in the front and the rear. We both chose the right
rear seat. I'm 5 foot 11 inches. My wife is the same or a little more
(hey, gravity is taking its toll on my old body). Without both of us back
there to test the side to side thing, I must say the rear is very large! I
did have a problem with my left calf leaning on the tunnel. I wish there
was padding there. After flying a while, the calf had a dent in it from
the tunnel. Bottom line...NICE as get all!
Dave Talley
San Antonio, TX
At 12:20 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
>
>All,
>
>For those of you who have flown in either RV-10, after wiping the RV grin
>off your face, did you remember to sit in the back seat and make sure that
>adults will fit back there?
>
>Rob Wright
>Practice Kit
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives... |
ch.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 03:41 PM 3/25/2005 Friday, you wrote:
>Hmm, I wonder if there is anyway we can pull the archives from the Yahoo
>list and stuff them into the archives here! Matt....?
>
>Michael
Well, I had a look over on the Yahoo Site and I don't see a way to download
all of the previous posts or frankly even really to access them in their
entirety.
Has anyone on the List been keeping email copies of the posts for any
length of time? If so, I can take those and reformat them and then
pre-pend them to the existing RV10-List archives. I've done this on a
couple of other lists I've started up that were based on previous
lists. The more complete the individual messages are the better up to and
including all of their SMTP email headers. As a matter of fact, if they
are in standard unix-mailbox format, I can just run them though the normal
archive cleaning routines and the job is fairly simple.
Its amazing to me that you can't access all of the back-posting as a whole
on the Yahoo site. Just one more reason to switch, I'd say... :-)
Email me back directly with information on any and all back copies you
might have and we'll see what we can create...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Rainy day reflections - Long |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
It was about this time just one week ago that Matronics had 0 posts for the
RV-10 group for the week. Mani was desperately looking for assistance over
on "whatdoyoucallithoo". What a difference a day can make. With our well
deserved Oregon Rain in progress, I was reflecting on a few pictures that I
have browsed on the web this last week and thought they might provoke
similar reflection and neural impulses.
The RV-10 is not built to Part 23 standards but it could be if you wanted
to. One area surfaced (while browsing) regarding noise and deflection of
belly skins on RV-8 and how insulation helped dampen both the noise and the
flex - which untreated leads to work hardened aluminum skin over time. The
noise source was the power impulses from exhaust stacks critically close to
the belly skin.
Related but separate: During our A & P school training they made a big deal
out of always (no exception) following the AC43.13-2A (Revised 1977) -
Chapter 3 for Antenna Installations. We would have to do copious math
calculations using the formula D=.000327 AV2 to determine the drag created
by non-whip antennae. Basically they meant rigid antennae. The whips and
cat whisker type do not produce the documented problems. When you look at
Section 39, View A-A of Figure 3.6 on page 15 and Figure 3.22 on Page 22 it
showed us how to make the required antenna mount Doublers. Seems that
decades of rigid antenna retrofits on spamcans were creating premature
stress failures of aluminum skin and adjacent rivet holes. A student built
doubler plate was not considered a compliant Doubler plate (by school
definition) unless it transferred the flexing forces into the adjacent
existing stringer and in some cases required making a joggle on one opposite
edge. Boy is that fun! On ATC flush mounted antenna (Figure 3.27) or Flush
mounted Marker beacons (Figure 3.28), an attachment to the adjacent stringer
was not required. That's cause the drag coefficient was nearly 0.0001
pounds with a Flush Mount.
As you select your rigid antenna application for your 10, I would ask you to
reflect on the drag coefficient number (you don't have to do the math - it's
provided by the manufacturer), the location from other antenna (feedback
interference) and the use of a Part 43 compliant Doubler. If you have a
doubt, ask the most respected Avionics Shop in your area. If you are laying
a second sheet of skin over the original skin without picking up the
adjacent stringer it might produce unanticipated flight noise / flutter,
vibration and additional repair later if the original skin gets work
hardened and you try to stop drill the future crack once the skin is at
limit.
Just a thought. Maybe the RVator can address their recommendation in a
future issue. The design, installation and use of effective doublers should
probably come sooner in the instruction set.
ARCHIVE only if of value to your specific construction. Disregard if you
are a repeat offender or love retrofitting aircraft.
John W. Cox
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| Subject: | Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives... |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Guy" <guy@votuc.com>
Matt,
I have 4052 RV-10 messages in my Yahoo mail box back to 7-15-2004 but I too
see NO way to grab all at once.
Guy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives...
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> At 03:41 PM 3/25/2005 Friday, you wrote:
> >Hmm, I wonder if there is anyway we can pull the archives from the Yahoo
> >list and stuff them into the archives here! Matt....?
> >
> >Michael
>
> Well, I had a look over on the Yahoo Site and I don't see a way to
download
> all of the previous posts or frankly even really to access them in their
> entirety.
>
> Has anyone on the List been keeping email copies of the posts for any
> length of time? If so, I can take those and reformat them and then
> pre-pend them to the existing RV10-List archives. I've done this on a
> couple of other lists I've started up that were based on previous
> lists. The more complete the individual messages are the better up to and
> including all of their SMTP email headers. As a matter of fact, if they
> are in standard unix-mailbox format, I can just run them though the normal
> archive cleaning routines and the job is fairly simple.
>
> Its amazing to me that you can't access all of the back-posting as a whole
> on the Yahoo site. Just one more reason to switch, I'd say... :-)
>
> Email me back directly with information on any and all back copies you
> might have and we'll see what we can create...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives... |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Guy" <guy@votuc.com>
Matt,
Actually I see their is a way if your a "Plus" member. They have a download
archive service. I saved all of them to my hard drive as a "inbox.zip" file
that is 11 meg in size. The zipped file contains 4066 .eml files . Do you
have a drop box or want it emailed ?
Guy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives...
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> At 03:41 PM 3/25/2005 Friday, you wrote:
> >Hmm, I wonder if there is anyway we can pull the archives from the Yahoo
> >list and stuff them into the archives here! Matt....?
> >
> >Michael
>
> Well, I had a look over on the Yahoo Site and I don't see a way to
download
> all of the previous posts or frankly even really to access them in their
> entirety.
>
> Has anyone on the List been keeping email copies of the posts for any
> length of time? If so, I can take those and reformat them and then
> pre-pend them to the existing RV10-List archives. I've done this on a
> couple of other lists I've started up that were based on previous
> lists. The more complete the individual messages are the better up to and
> including all of their SMTP email headers. As a matter of fact, if they
> are in standard unix-mailbox format, I can just run them though the normal
> archive cleaning routines and the job is fairly simple.
>
> Its amazing to me that you can't access all of the back-posting as a whole
> on the Yahoo site. Just one more reason to switch, I'd say... :-)
>
> Email me back directly with information on any and all back copies you
> might have and we'll see what we can create...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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clamav-milter version 0.80j
on heru-ur
On the "Do Not Archive" issue, will the archives leave the message out of
the archives if it has those words anywhere in the message? If so, it seems
that quite a few messages might end up missing the archives because someone
earlier wrote "Do Not Archive" and that is in the message if the e-mail
program is set to "copy original message in reply". If you want your
messages archived, it would be a good idea to scroll down to any previous
messages and delete that line (unless the list program has a way of
screening the previous messages out of replies, which I think would be
fairly difficult.
I only mention this because I saw some useful information on a couple of
e-mails and then scrolled down and somebody have made a comment that they
didn't want archived and now all replies will not be archived if they copy
the original message. I haven't used the archives yet personally because I
just keep all of the messages on my computer in a special folder, but it is
still a great feature.
Finishing Fuselage #241
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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69bBuKEQjdeKAAAAQAAAAu5ktlPKbk0Sc8t0iv//wJAEAAAAA@itecusa.org>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Yup, you hit the nail right no the head. If the "D* not archive" string
appears _anywhere_ in the message, it will not be added to the
Archive. Really, the DNA is for "way to go", "congratulations", etc. kinds
of messages. If they have any relevance to the List, please don't use
it. Disk space is cheap these days and the search engine is fast.
Matt Dralle
List Admin
At 03:01 PM 3/26/2005 Saturday, you wrote:
>On the "D* Not Archive" issue, will the archives leave the message out of
>the archives if it has those words anywhere in the message? If so, it
>seems that quite a few messages might end up missing the archives because
>someone earlier wrote "D* Not Archive" and that is in the message if the
>e-mail program is set to "copy original message in reply". If you want
>your messages archived, it would be a good idea to scroll down to any
>previous messages and delete that line (unless the list program has a way
>of screening the previous messages out of replies, which I think would be
>fairly difficult.
>
>I only mention this because I saw some useful information on a couple of
>e-mails and then scrolled down and somebody have made a comment that they
>didn't want archived and now all replies will not be archived if they copy
>the original message. I haven't used the archives yet personally because
>I just keep all of the messages on my computer in a special folder, but it
>is still a great feature.
>
>Finishing Fuselage #241
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
><mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>W: 352-465-4545
>C: 352-427-0285
>F: 815-377-3694
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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clamav-milter version 0.80j
on cassiopeia
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We have wanted this same thing. We have done a fair bit of research,
including talking with Van's. They "definitely do not support wing tip
tanks", or any extended range tanks, but I am sure part of that is for
liability. They said that if you were to put additional tanks it would be
best done in the rear seat floors. We talked about welding a tank that
would add 4 inches to the baggage floor, which would give another hour of
fuel (5 flying plus 1 reserve total - 1,000 mile range), but that would max
out the baggage compartment weight capacity. Van's says that tip tanks will
change the stresses on the wings and will make stalls and spins much harder
to get out of, but I doubt anybody in their right mind is going to put 10
gallons in each wing tip and take it up for some hammer-heads, just to see
if they can kill themselves. Someone built an RV-9 and just extended the
main tanks to be the whole length of the wing, although this would be a TON
of work. We haven't decided what we are going to do yet, but it will either
be tip tanks, baggage compartment tank, or rear seat floor tanks.
There seems to be quite a few people who say that wingtip tanks actually add
to your gross weight, so the added fuel does not cut down on how much you
can carry of people and baggage, but I don't know the engineering involved
in that. I think it would be wise, if using tip tanks, to burn them off
first and then go to the mains for the reasons that Van's gave and in case
of an emergency landing.
Adding range is also a matter of fuel burn, which can be helped, so I hear,
by adding electronic ignition and balance fuel injectors, and my reducing
drag as much as possible, among other things.
I am looking forward to seeing all of the innovations that people make with
this bird that is certainly going to be used more for cross-country flying
than the average 2-place. I know we are planning on putting most of our
time on it for long-range flying, although I doubt we will be doing many
around-the-world or south-pole flights. We may end up flying to South
America at some point, but then you get into all of the political stuff with
overflying and landing in different countries. I certainly don't want my
RV-10 added to Cuba, Nicaragua or Columbia's training fleet (or to their
landscape or ocean floor, for that matter).
With all that said, how many are hoping to extend the range, seriously, and
how are you expecting to do it (wing-tip tanks, baggage compartment, rear
seat floor, etc.)?
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: RV10-List: extended range
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119s web page:
http://www.eaa119.org/
It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and 12
hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where he
cant land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
question how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
their RV?
As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
James
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Hello,
Just ordered the wings Wednesday, and I noticed that Randy's pictures on
Tim Olsen's website show some holes under where the clear lens cover
will go. Obviously these are for lights. Looked at Tim's website and
the Wing plans, and noticed that in the drawings, it shows this same
pattern of holes. But, on Tim's tips there are no holes? Do the tips
come with or w/o the holes, or does the factory contact you about this?
I'm considering using the creativair nav, strobe, landing combo, and am
just wondering.
Thanks,
Eric
There are only 10 kind of people in this world, those who understand
binary, and those who don't.
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| Subject: | Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives... |
<6.2.0.14.2.20050326132420.051925a0@mail.matronics.com>
<001801c53252$a54e8220$6501a8c0@corp.nortel.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Cool! Just email it to my normal address dralle@matronics.com
How do you become a "Plus" member?
There seems to be "7441" messages in the archive. Can you get rest of them
too?
Thanks,
Matt
At 02:24 PM 3/26/2005 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Guy" <guy@votuc.com>
>
>Matt,
>
>Actually I see their is a way if your a "Plus" member. They have a download
>archive service. I saved all of them to my hard drive as a "inbox.zip" file
>that is 11 meg in size. The zipped file contains 4066 .eml files . Do you
>have a drop box or want it emailed ?
>
>Guy
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:32 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Re: Old Yahoo Groups RV10 Archives...
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> >
> > At 03:41 PM 3/25/2005 Friday, you wrote:
> > >Hmm, I wonder if there is anyway we can pull the archives from the Yahoo
> > >list and stuff them into the archives here! Matt....?
> > >
> > >Michael
> >
> > Well, I had a look over on the Yahoo Site and I don't see a way to
>download
> > all of the previous posts or frankly even really to access them in their
> > entirety.
> >
> > Has anyone on the List been keeping email copies of the posts for any
> > length of time? If so, I can take those and reformat them and then
> > pre-pend them to the existing RV10-List archives. I've done this on a
> > couple of other lists I've started up that were based on previous
> > lists. The more complete the individual messages are the better up to and
> > including all of their SMTP email headers. As a matter of fact, if they
> > are in standard unix-mailbox format, I can just run them though the normal
> > archive cleaning routines and the job is fairly simple.
> >
> > Its amazing to me that you can't access all of the back-posting as a whole
> > on the Yahoo site. Just one more reason to switch, I'd say... :-)
> >
> > Email me back directly with information on any and all back copies you
> > might have and we'll see what we can create...
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I believe Tim has not made a final decision on his lighting solution.
He is looking for a HID lighting solution. Hopefully Duckworks
</www.duckworksaviation.com/> will provide a HID solution that gets cut
into the leading edge. Randy used vans solution which is very similar
(maybe even a copy) of the creative air <www.creativair.com> lighting
solution.
Larry
RV10 #356
Medford, NJ
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>There are no holes in the tips when you receive them. If you order the landing
light kit from Van's it comes with a template for all of the holes assuming
that you're going to use a Whelen lighting system for nav/strobes.
>
>Bob #40105
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Butler
> Sent: Sat 03/26/2005 05:31 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Cc:
> Subject: RV10-List: Wing Tips
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Just ordered the wings Wednesday, and I noticed that Randys pictures on
Tim Olsens website show some holes under where the clear lens cover will go.
Obviously these are for lights. Looked at Tims website and the Wing plans,
and noticed that in the drawings, it shows this same pattern of holes. But, on
Tims tips there are no holes? Do the tips come with or w/o the holes, or does
the factory contact you about this? Im considering using the creativair nav,
strobe, landing combo, and am just wondering
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
> There are only 10 kind of people in this world, those who understand binary,
and those who don't.
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Larry is right that I'm looking for HID's and it sounds like
Duckworks is going to re-engineer the kit for the -10. As
soon as they have it done, I'll be buying it, as long as they
say I can easily add it to a completed wing. I don't see
why it wouldn't work.
I'll let you know.
BTW: Van's got my wingtip that I sent them, and they're
sending another with my QB fuse. My advice is if you have one
that's a *little* too long, just cut it and fix it up. But
if you're *real* long, and when you cut it, the trailing edges
separate, then decide for yourself. Just be VERY careful.
I can give you some tips on how to not trash it on your first
try if you want to give it a shot....no guarantees though,
'cuz I learned the hard way.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Larry wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> I believe Tim has not made a final decision on his lighting solution.
> He is looking for a HID lighting solution. Hopefully Duckworks
> </www.duckworksaviation.com/> will provide a HID solution that gets cut
> into the leading edge. Randy used vans solution which is very similar
> (maybe even a copy) of the creative air <www.creativair.com> lighting
> solution.
>
> Larry
> RV10 #356
> Medford, NJ
>
> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> There are no holes in the tips when you receive them. If you order
>> the landing light kit from Van's it comes with a template for all of
>> the holes assuming that you're going to use a Whelen lighting system
>> for nav/strobes.
>> Bob #40105
>> -----Original Message----- From:
>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Butler
>> Sent: Sat 03/26/2005 05:31 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Cc: Subject: RV10-List: Wing Tips
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>> Just ordered the wings Wednesday, and I noticed that Randys
>> pictures on Tim Olsens website show some holes under where the clear
>> lens cover will go. Obviously these are for lights. Looked at Tims
>> website and the Wing plans, and noticed that in the drawings, it shows
>> this same pattern of holes. But, on Tims tips there are no holes?
>> Do the tips come with or w/o the holes, or does the factory contact
>> you about this? Im considering using the creativair nav, strobe,
>> landing combo, and am just wondering
>> Thanks,
>> Eric
>> There are only 10 kind of people in this world, those who
>> understand binary, and those who don't.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: extended range |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I thought seriously about this. Then again, I realized that neither
myself, my significant other, or the two kids in the back would be able
to go any longer than "standard" without taking a potty break. :) So
I'll be skipping the extended range tanks.
-Sean #40303
Jesse Saint wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
>We have wanted this same thing. We have done a fair bit of research,
>including talking with Van's. They "definitely do not support wing tip
>tanks", or any extended range tanks, but I am sure part of that is for
>liability. They said that if you were to put additional tanks it would be
>best done in the rear seat floors. We talked about welding a tank that
>would add 4 inches to the baggage floor, which would give another hour of
>fuel (5 flying plus 1 reserve total - 1,000 mile range), but that would max
>out the baggage compartment weight capacity. Van's says that tip tanks will
>change the stresses on the wings and will make stalls and spins much harder
>to get out of, but I doubt anybody in their right mind is going to put 10
>gallons in each wing tip and take it up for some hammer-heads, just to see
>if they can kill themselves. Someone built an RV-9 and just extended the
>main tanks to be the whole length of the wing, although this would be a TON
>of work. We haven't decided what we are going to do yet, but it will either
>be tip tanks, baggage compartment tank, or rear seat floor tanks.
>
>There seems to be quite a few people who say that wingtip tanks actually add
>to your gross weight, so the added fuel does not cut down on how much you
>can carry of people and baggage, but I don't know the engineering involved
>in that. I think it would be wise, if using tip tanks, to burn them off
>first and then go to the mains for the reasons that Van's gave and in case
>of an emergency landing.
>
>Adding range is also a matter of fuel burn, which can be helped, so I hear,
>by adding electronic ignition and balance fuel injectors, and my reducing
>drag as much as possible, among other things.
>
>I am looking forward to seeing all of the innovations that people make with
>this bird that is certainly going to be used more for cross-country flying
>than the average 2-place. I know we are planning on putting most of our
>time on it for long-range flying, although I doubt we will be doing many
>around-the-world or south-pole flights. We may end up flying to South
>America at some point, but then you get into all of the political stuff with
>overflying and landing in different countries. I certainly don't want my
>RV-10 added to Cuba, Nicaragua or Columbia's training fleet (or to their
>landscape or ocean floor, for that matter).
>
>With all that said, how many are hoping to extend the range, seriously, and
>how are you expecting to do it (wing-tip tanks, baggage compartment, rear
>seat floor, etc.)?
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>W: 352-465-4545
>C: 352-427-0285
>F: 815-377-3694
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:25 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: extended range
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
>
>I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119s web page:
>
>http://www.eaa119.org/
>
>It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
>the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and 12
>hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where he
>cant land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
>question how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
>something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
>but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
>their RV?
>
>As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
>that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
>
>James
>
>
>
>
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clamav-milter version 0.80j
on cepheus
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Along with extended range tanks, there are always the good old "range
extenders" to take care of that other problem.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: extended range
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I thought seriously about this. Then again, I realized that neither
myself, my significant other, or the two kids in the back would be able
to go any longer than "standard" without taking a potty break. :) So
I'll be skipping the extended range tanks.
-Sean #40303
Jesse Saint wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
>We have wanted this same thing. We have done a fair bit of research,
>including talking with Van's. They "definitely do not support wing tip
>tanks", or any extended range tanks, but I am sure part of that is for
>liability. They said that if you were to put additional tanks it would be
>best done in the rear seat floors. We talked about welding a tank that
>would add 4 inches to the baggage floor, which would give another hour of
>fuel (5 flying plus 1 reserve total - 1,000 mile range), but that would max
>out the baggage compartment weight capacity. Van's says that tip tanks
will
>change the stresses on the wings and will make stalls and spins much harder
>to get out of, but I doubt anybody in their right mind is going to put 10
>gallons in each wing tip and take it up for some hammer-heads, just to see
>if they can kill themselves. Someone built an RV-9 and just extended the
>main tanks to be the whole length of the wing, although this would be a TON
>of work. We haven't decided what we are going to do yet, but it will
either
>be tip tanks, baggage compartment tank, or rear seat floor tanks.
>
>There seems to be quite a few people who say that wingtip tanks actually
add
>to your gross weight, so the added fuel does not cut down on how much you
>can carry of people and baggage, but I don't know the engineering involved
>in that. I think it would be wise, if using tip tanks, to burn them off
>first and then go to the mains for the reasons that Van's gave and in case
>of an emergency landing.
>
>Adding range is also a matter of fuel burn, which can be helped, so I hear,
>by adding electronic ignition and balance fuel injectors, and my reducing
>drag as much as possible, among other things.
>
>I am looking forward to seeing all of the innovations that people make with
>this bird that is certainly going to be used more for cross-country flying
>than the average 2-place. I know we are planning on putting most of our
>time on it for long-range flying, although I doubt we will be doing many
>around-the-world or south-pole flights. We may end up flying to South
>America at some point, but then you get into all of the political stuff
with
>overflying and landing in different countries. I certainly don't want my
>RV-10 added to Cuba, Nicaragua or Columbia's training fleet (or to their
>landscape or ocean floor, for that matter).
>
>With all that said, how many are hoping to extend the range, seriously, and
>how are you expecting to do it (wing-tip tanks, baggage compartment, rear
>seat floor, etc.)?
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>W: 352-465-4545
>C: 352-427-0285
>F: 815-377-3694
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:25 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: extended range
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
>
>I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119's web page:
>
>http://www.eaa119.org/
>
>It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
>the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and 12
>hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where he
>can't land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
>question. how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
>something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
>but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
>their RV?
>
>As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
>that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
>
>James
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| Subject: | Re: extended range |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
For me, yes, for the kids, no... :)
Jesse Saint wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
>Along with extended range tanks, there are always the good old "range
>extenders" to take care of that other problem.
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>W: 352-465-4545
>C: 352-427-0285
>F: 815-377-3694
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
>Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:45 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: extended range
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
>I thought seriously about this. Then again, I realized that neither
>myself, my significant other, or the two kids in the back would be able
>to go any longer than "standard" without taking a potty break. :) So
>I'll be skipping the extended range tanks.
>
>-Sean #40303
>
>Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>>We have wanted this same thing. We have done a fair bit of research,
>>including talking with Van's. They "definitely do not support wing tip
>>tanks", or any extended range tanks, but I am sure part of that is for
>>liability. They said that if you were to put additional tanks it would be
>>best done in the rear seat floors. We talked about welding a tank that
>>would add 4 inches to the baggage floor, which would give another hour of
>>fuel (5 flying plus 1 reserve total - 1,000 mile range), but that would max
>>out the baggage compartment weight capacity. Van's says that tip tanks
>>
>>
>will
>
>
>>change the stresses on the wings and will make stalls and spins much harder
>>to get out of, but I doubt anybody in their right mind is going to put 10
>>gallons in each wing tip and take it up for some hammer-heads, just to see
>>if they can kill themselves. Someone built an RV-9 and just extended the
>>main tanks to be the whole length of the wing, although this would be a TON
>>of work. We haven't decided what we are going to do yet, but it will
>>
>>
>either
>
>
>>be tip tanks, baggage compartment tank, or rear seat floor tanks.
>>
>>There seems to be quite a few people who say that wingtip tanks actually
>>
>>
>add
>
>
>>to your gross weight, so the added fuel does not cut down on how much you
>>can carry of people and baggage, but I don't know the engineering involved
>>in that. I think it would be wise, if using tip tanks, to burn them off
>>first and then go to the mains for the reasons that Van's gave and in case
>>of an emergency landing.
>>
>>Adding range is also a matter of fuel burn, which can be helped, so I hear,
>>by adding electronic ignition and balance fuel injectors, and my reducing
>>drag as much as possible, among other things.
>>
>>I am looking forward to seeing all of the innovations that people make with
>>this bird that is certainly going to be used more for cross-country flying
>>than the average 2-place. I know we are planning on putting most of our
>>time on it for long-range flying, although I doubt we will be doing many
>>around-the-world or south-pole flights. We may end up flying to South
>>America at some point, but then you get into all of the political stuff
>>
>>
>with
>
>
>>overflying and landing in different countries. I certainly don't want my
>>RV-10 added to Cuba, Nicaragua or Columbia's training fleet (or to their
>>landscape or ocean floor, for that matter).
>>
>>With all that said, how many are hoping to extend the range, seriously, and
>>how are you expecting to do it (wing-tip tanks, baggage compartment, rear
>>seat floor, etc.)?
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
>>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:25 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: extended range
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
>>
>>I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119's web page:
>>
>>http://www.eaa119.org/
>>
>>It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
>>the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and 12
>>hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where he
>>can't land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
>>question. how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
>>something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
>>but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
>>their RV?
>>
>>As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
>>that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
>>
>>James
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
That is why you need one of these. Lots of guys use them in 24+ hour
motorcycle contests. I haven't had to use one yet but it will definitely
be in the around the world kit. They also have a stadium gal for you
know who!
http://www.stadiumpal.com/stadiumpal_what.htm
Scott Schmidt
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: extended range
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Along with extended range tanks, there are always the good old "range
extenders" to take care of that other problem.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: extended range
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
I thought seriously about this. Then again, I realized that neither
myself, my significant other, or the two kids in the back would be able
to go any longer than "standard" without taking a potty break. :) So
I'll be skipping the extended range tanks.
-Sean #40303
Jesse Saint wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
>We have wanted this same thing. We have done a fair bit of research,
>including talking with Van's. They "definitely do not support wing tip
>tanks", or any extended range tanks, but I am sure part of that is for
>liability. They said that if you were to put additional tanks it would
be
>best done in the rear seat floors. We talked about welding a tank that
>would add 4 inches to the baggage floor, which would give another hour
of
>fuel (5 flying plus 1 reserve total - 1,000 mile range), but that would
max
>out the baggage compartment weight capacity. Van's says that tip tanks
will
>change the stresses on the wings and will make stalls and spins much
harder
>to get out of, but I doubt anybody in their right mind is going to put
10
>gallons in each wing tip and take it up for some hammer-heads, just to
see
>if they can kill themselves. Someone built an RV-9 and just extended
the
>main tanks to be the whole length of the wing, although this would be a
TON
>of work. We haven't decided what we are going to do yet, but it will
either
>be tip tanks, baggage compartment tank, or rear seat floor tanks.
>
>There seems to be quite a few people who say that wingtip tanks
actually
add
>to your gross weight, so the added fuel does not cut down on how much
you
>can carry of people and baggage, but I don't know the engineering
involved
>in that. I think it would be wise, if using tip tanks, to burn them
off
>first and then go to the mains for the reasons that Van's gave and in
case
>of an emergency landing.
>
>Adding range is also a matter of fuel burn, which can be helped, so I
hear,
>by adding electronic ignition and balance fuel injectors, and my
reducing
>drag as much as possible, among other things.
>
>I am looking forward to seeing all of the innovations that people make
with
>this bird that is certainly going to be used more for cross-country
flying
>than the average 2-place. I know we are planning on putting most of
our
>time on it for long-range flying, although I doubt we will be doing
many
>around-the-world or south-pole flights. We may end up flying to South
>America at some point, but then you get into all of the political stuff
with
>overflying and landing in different countries. I certainly don't want
my
>RV-10 added to Cuba, Nicaragua or Columbia's training fleet (or to
their
>landscape or ocean floor, for that matter).
>
>With all that said, how many are hoping to extend the range, seriously,
and
>how are you expecting to do it (wing-tip tanks, baggage compartment,
rear
>seat floor, etc.)?
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>W: 352-465-4545
>C: 352-427-0285
>F: 815-377-3694
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:25 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: extended range
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
>
>I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119's web page:
>
>http://www.eaa119.org/
>
>It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an
around
>the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11
and 12
>hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East
where he
>can't land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
>question. how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is
that
>something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12
hours
>but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks
for
>their RV?
>
>As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic
nonsense
>that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
>
>James
>
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