Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:04 AM - Sun And fun (Mani Ravee)
2. 04:19 AM - Window & Windshield Install (Russell Daves)
3. 04:35 AM - Re: Sun And fun (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
4. 04:52 AM - Re: Sun And fun (Tim Olson)
5. 05:33 AM - Re: extended range (Jesse Saint)
6. 08:20 AM - Re: extended range (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
7. 08:27 AM - seat belts (David McNeill)
8. 09:57 AM - Re: seat belts (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
9. 10:01 AM - Re: Window & Windshield Install (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
10. 11:22 AM - Re: 7.9mm bit (David McNeill)
11. 11:44 AM - Instrument Subpanel Cutout & Reinforcement? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
12. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: 7.9mm bit (Bill Schlatterer)
13. 01:56 PM - Re: Instrument Subpanel Cutout & Reinforcement? (Rick)
14. 02:03 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Rick)
15. 02:07 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Rick)
16. 03:18 PM - Re: Instrument Subpanel Cutout & Reinforcement? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
17. 05:46 PM - fuel sender (David McNeill)
18. 09:18 PM - Checking In (Shawn Moon)
19. 09:29 PM - Re: Wing Tips (Randy DeBauw)
20. 09:38 PM - Re: Window & Windshield Install (Randy DeBauw)
21. 10:26 PM - Re: Checking In (JOHN STARN)
22. 11:53 PM - Re: RV-List: Fire Extinguisher Location in -10 (DejaVu)
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OK, just got word that I will be off. So have booked my flight tickets and
stay to Tampa/ Lakeland. Will be there from the afternoon of 4/24 to the
afternoon of 4/27. Who are all coming and how do we meet and make this a fun
time. I really NEED a ride on the _10. I have not even SEEN it. Oh boy! Am I
excited already or what?
Mani Ravee, MD MC
Pulmonary Medicine & Critical Care
Maj. US Army Medical Corps
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Subject: | Window & Windshield Install |
Van's recommends Weld-10 for install of the windows and windshield and sales a 4 oz package (one per window) for $12.00. You will need six based on Van's projection. One for each window and two for the windshield. www.ridoutplastics.com sales a pint for $23.45 and also sells Brillianize acrlic window cleaner for $26.11 a gallon.
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In a message dated 3/27/2005 6:07:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,
maniravee@sbcglobal.net writes:
OK, just got word that I will be off. So have booked my flight tickets and
stay to Tampa/ Lakeland. Will be there from the afternoon of 4/24 to the
afternoon of 4/27
Mani, SnF is April 12 - 18, 2005
DO NOT ARCHIVE
(Tuesday - Monday)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Mani, (and all)
PLEASE tell me that you made a typo and you really mean 4/14-4/27!
http://www.sun-n-fun.org
My dates would be 4/14 and 4/15 most likely.
For those who are planning to go....I can offer you this:
I could set up a password-only web page where you could email
me your cellphone number, along with the dates you plan
to be there. Then when when I reply to you, I'd send you
the password to the page. That way you could use that to
set up meeting times with other listmembers.
Another option would be just to set a standard time of
meeting if people want to gather....like say, 8am, 11am,
and 2pm there could be a 15 minute window where people
could gather near the RV-10 at Van's booth and then go
from there.
Or....We could all wear pink shorts, lime green shirts,
blue shoes, and cowboy hats. ;) <kidding of course!>
Tim #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Mani Ravee wrote:
> OK, just got word that I will be off. So have booked my flight tickets
> and stay to Tampa/ Lakeland. Will be there from the afternoon of 4/24 to
> the afternoon of 4/27. Who are all coming and how do we meet and make
> this a fun time. I really NEED a ride on the _10. I have not even SEEN
> it. Oh boy! Am I excited already or what?
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> Mani Ravee, MD MC
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> Pulmonary Medicine & Critical Care
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> Maj. US Army Medical Corps
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clamav-milter version 0.80j
on andromeda
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Pampers, man, Pampers! :-)
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: extended range
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
For me, yes, for the kids, no... :)
Jesse Saint wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
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>Along with extended range tanks, there are always the good old "range
>extenders" to take care of that other problem.
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>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>W: 352-465-4545
>C: 352-427-0285
>F: 815-377-3694
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
>Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:45 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: extended range
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
>I thought seriously about this. Then again, I realized that neither
>myself, my significant other, or the two kids in the back would be able
>to go any longer than "standard" without taking a potty break. :) So
>I'll be skipping the extended range tanks.
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>-Sean #40303
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>Jesse Saint wrote:
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
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>>We have wanted this same thing. We have done a fair bit of research,
>>including talking with Van's. They "definitely do not support wing tip
>>tanks", or any extended range tanks, but I am sure part of that is for
>>liability. They said that if you were to put additional tanks it would be
>>best done in the rear seat floors. We talked about welding a tank that
>>would add 4 inches to the baggage floor, which would give another hour of
>>fuel (5 flying plus 1 reserve total - 1,000 mile range), but that would
max
>>out the baggage compartment weight capacity. Van's says that tip tanks
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>>change the stresses on the wings and will make stalls and spins much
harder
>>to get out of, but I doubt anybody in their right mind is going to put 10
>>gallons in each wing tip and take it up for some hammer-heads, just to see
>>if they can kill themselves. Someone built an RV-9 and just extended the
>>main tanks to be the whole length of the wing, although this would be a
TON
>>of work. We haven't decided what we are going to do yet, but it will
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>>There seems to be quite a few people who say that wingtip tanks actually
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>>can carry of people and baggage, but I don't know the engineering involved
>>in that. I think it would be wise, if using tip tanks, to burn them off
>>first and then go to the mains for the reasons that Van's gave and in case
>>of an emergency landing.
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>>Adding range is also a matter of fuel burn, which can be helped, so I
hear,
>>by adding electronic ignition and balance fuel injectors, and my reducing
>>drag as much as possible, among other things.
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>>I am looking forward to seeing all of the innovations that people make
with
>>this bird that is certainly going to be used more for cross-country flying
>>than the average 2-place. I know we are planning on putting most of our
>>time on it for long-range flying, although I doubt we will be doing many
>>around-the-world or south-pole flights. We may end up flying to South
>>America at some point, but then you get into all of the political stuff
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>>overflying and landing in different countries. I certainly don't want my
>>RV-10 added to Cuba, Nicaragua or Columbia's training fleet (or to their
>>landscape or ocean floor, for that matter).
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>>With all that said, how many are hoping to extend the range, seriously,
and
>>how are you expecting to do it (wing-tip tanks, baggage compartment, rear
>>seat floor, etc.)?
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>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
>>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:25 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: extended range
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
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>>I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119's web page:
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>>http://www.eaa119.org/
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>>It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
>>the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and
12
>>hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where
he
>>can't land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
>>question. how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
>>something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
>>but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
>>their RV?
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>>As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
>>that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
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>>James
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
I added 10 gallons, will come out with all the details after I know it
works.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: RV10-List: extended range
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
I ran across this story on the front of chapter 119s web page:
http://www.eaa119.org/
It appears that Bill Randolph of Aptos, Ca is currently working an around
the world flight in his RV-8. A couple of the updates talk about 11 and 12
hour legs (one over the atlantic, and another over the Middle East where he
cant land due to political reasons). This brought to mind a simple
question how does one get 12 hours of fuel on board an RV???? Is that
something that could be reasonably done in a -10 (not necessarily 12 hours
but some extended range)? Is anyone looking at extended range tanks for
their RV?
As a side note it really is interesting to read the bureaucratic nonsense
that one gets to put up when flying in different areas of the world!
James
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I was looking at an Aircrafters Cub today and notice the inertial
reels for the shoulder harness. As it turns out they are made by
AMSAFE which is headquartered in Phoenix. I found the right guy and
will be working with him to install inertial reel four point harness
in the front seats of the 10 and will look at the options for the
rear. I hope to find a solution for the rear as my two children need
to move as well as be restrained during flight.
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Subject: | Window & Windshield Install |
One pint will do it?
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Russell Daves
Subject: RV10-List: Window & Windshield Install
Van's recommends Weld-10 for install of the windows and windshield and sales a 4 oz package (one per window) for $12.00. You will need six based on Van's projection. One for each window and two for the windshield. www.ridoutplastics.com sales a pint for $23.45 and also sells Brillianize acrlic window cleaner for $26.11 a gallon.
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I bought three from McMaster and Carr over the net for $7.25 each. You want the
cobalt heavy duty for gear legs. Also if the #5 bolt is still too big. Don't
drive it in. Removing to change gear legs or correct toin/toeout will be impossible.
Instead, chuck a nut driver for the head of the bolt in your electric drill
then wrap a layer of sandpaper around the bolt and use the drill. Sandpaper
the bolt to fit. Part of the coating will be removed but bolt will fit firm
with out being an interference fit.
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Subject: | Instrument Subpanel Cutout & Reinforcement? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
It appears that the depth between the instrument panel and the subpanel is about
9.5" which won't quite work for a lot of avionics. This means that the subpanel
has to have an opening cut in it - is there some standard way that folks
are reinforcing the edges? I haven't settled on avionics yet and won't for a
while but want to get this cut & reinforced before riveting it in place.
Here's the depth of some common standard avionics that won't fit without modification
to the subpanel - note that it's not just cutting edge stuff!
King KX-155 (10.16")
Garmin AT SL-30 (10.5")
King KMD-550 (10")
Avidyne EX-500 (10.75")
Garmin GNS-430 & GNS-530 (11")
Garming AT CNX-80 (11.8")
King KLN-94 (10.72")
Blue Mountain Sport EFIS (10.3")
Above measurements are a combination of behind panel and total depth, but either
way none of the above will fit without a hole cut in the subpanel.
Bob #40105
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Sometimes it isn't a "bolt too big" question as much of a "isn't straight"
issue. Rather than tuning something down which will reduce contact area,
think about a .311 or .3125 5/16 reamer ($12.00) for a perfect hole and a
close tolerance bolt for a straight minimum clearance fit. Most bolts are
not perfectly straight. Maybe worth it on gear legs but usually not
elsewhere. On the 7, they specifically ask for a .311 or .3125 straight
fluted reamer for the gear leg holes,... I'm surprised they don't on the 10.
Drills make slightly triangular holes,.. reamers make round holes more like
a uni-bit.
Bill S
7a Ark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:22 PM
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: re: 7.9mm bit
I bought three from McMaster and Carr over the net for $7.25 each. You
want the cobalt heavy duty for gear legs. Also if the #5 bolt is still too
big. Don't drive it in. Removing to change gear legs or correct toin/toeout
will be impossible. Instead, chuck a nut driver for the head of the bolt in
your electric drill then wrap a layer of sandpaper around the bolt and use
the drill. Sandpaper the bolt to fit. Part of the coating will be removed
but bolt will fit firm with out being an interference fit.
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Subject: | Re: Instrument Subpanel Cutout & Reinforcement? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Hey Bob,
For a small nominal fee Lancair will take care of that for you...the more I look
at their panel the more I like it :)
Now if I only knew what "price comparable to others" means.
Rick Sked
40185
TANKS!!!
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Larry,
When I get my -10 finished I'll come visit. My parents are in Mt. Laurel and that's
going to be my first exra long X-country.
Rick S.
40185
TANKS!!
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Subject: | Instrument Subpanel Cutout & Reinforcement? |
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The part numbers are suffix B left and suffix C right. Van's sent me two left to
start. The bend is different . Try placing the sender unit in the hole so that
the screw holes line up properly. There is only one way. Mark the top of tank
and bottom of tank positions on the sender. Then holding the sender in the
correct orientation for the tank visual where the float will be when tank is full.
Hope this helps.
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Just checking in to say I'm here and make sure this thing works. Noticed that
there were 0 messages from Yahoo today and something like 35 on this list. I
guess the move was successfull.
--Shawn
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I had to wait 2 months for the fuse kit. The landing light kits still were not
available so I built my own. They look great. We will see. Randy
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Butler
Subject: RV10-List: Wing Tips
Hello,
Just ordered the wings Wednesday, and I noticed that Randy's pictures on Tim Olsen's
website show some holes under where the clear lens cover will go. Obviously
these are for lights. Looked at Tim's website and the Wing plans, and noticed
that in the drawings, it shows this same pattern of holes. But, on Tim's
tips there are no holes? Do the tips come with or w/o the holes, or does the
factory contact you about this? I'm considering using the creativair nav, strobe,
landing combo, and am just wondering...
Thanks,
Eric
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Subject: | Window & Windshield Install |
I used 4 tubes total but 5 is not out of the question. One thing to know. It is
very runny. I talked to Ken Kruger and he was going to call and see if you can
mix with some kind on thickener. 2 fiberglass people have told me that you
could. The rear windows are a mess with it thin. Mask off everything before
you install them. Randy
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Russell Daves
Subject: RV10-List: Window & Windshield Install
Van's recommends Weld-10 for install of the windows and windshield and sales a 4 oz package (one per window) for $12.00. You will need six based on Van's projection. One for each window and two for the windshield. www.ridoutplastics.com sales a pint for $23.45 and also sells Brillianize acrlic window cleaner for $26.11 a gallon.
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Welcome to the RV/Rocket brotherhood. KABONG
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----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Moon
To: Matronics RV10
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Checking In
Just checking in to say I'm here and make sure this thing works. Noticed that
there were 0 messages from Yahoo today and something like 35 on this list.
I guess the move was successfull.
--Shawn
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Subject: | Re: RV-List: Fire Extinguisher Location in -10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@mail.ameritel.net>
Tim,
The rear seat-back support you're talking about would do. It is similar to
that on the 2-seaters. I would like the extinguisher to be within my reach
at all times though. I'm thinking about mounting it right on top of the
tunnel but I'm not quite happy with it.
This cross bar appears to be structual but you'd have to consult Van's for
sure.
Anh
-10 #141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fire Extinguisher Location in -10
> Anh,
>
> In my sundowner I had the extinguisher right between the rear seats.
> Embarassingly, it was not hard-mounted. It had been mounted before, but
> was removed by some A&P at an annual (all of this before I owned it),
> because the install was done without supporting 337 paperwork. So I
> just left it sit there when I was flying without rear seat passengers.
> When I had passengers, I had it in the seat pouch in the back of the
> rear seats.
>
> What I'm wondering (but I don't have a fuse kit yet), is there any
> good looking opportunity to place it on maybe the bottom/back side
> of that cross bar that goes behind the rear seats at the top?
>
> For the initial flight's I'd probably keep it up front somewhere.
>
> Another question I have is this: Is the bar behind the rear seats
> something that is needed for structural cabin integrity in any
> way? If not, I'd like to have mine put in with pins, so that if I have
> something large to fit in the rear, I can pull the bar. Believe it or
> not, I put in my sundowner one day one of those HUGE 2-kid, molded
> plastic, tow-behind/combo walk behind bike strollers for the kids.
> Took the kids to an airshow in it when one was still too young
> to walk. I'd sure like the opportunity to lose that bar behind the
> seats for loading large objects.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> DejaVu wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@mail.ameritel.net>
> >
> > How/where has anyone thought about a location for the fire extinguisher
in a -10?
> > Anh
> > #141
> >
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>
>
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