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1. 04:32 AM - Re: Smiley's (Jim Combs)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: tools (cogsdill) (Tim Olson)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: tools (cogsdill) ()
4. 06:15 AM - Re: tools (cogsdill) ()
5. 06:31 AM - Re: tools (cogsdill) ()
6. 06:59 AM - QB Quality (Brandon Yost)
7. 07:07 AM - Re: Door Locks (Rick)
8. 07:41 AM - Re: QB Quality ()
9. 07:52 AM - New photos (Randy DeBauw)
10. 08:00 AM - Re: QB Quality (Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr))
11. 08:02 AM - Re: QB Quality (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
12. 10:51 AM - Re: Windshield (Werner Schneider)
13. 11:36 AM - SNF List - Update (Tim Olson)
14. 12:47 PM - Re: Cogsdill (Jim)
15. 01:40 PM - Re: tools (cogsdill) (Tim Olson)
16. 01:40 PM - Re: tools (cogsdill) (Tim Olson)
17. 01:55 PM - Re: SNF List - Update (Bill McCoy)
18. 05:45 PM - Re: surface prep / MEK protection (Rick)
19. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Cogsdill (Rick)
20. 05:49 PM - Re: SNF List - Update (Rick)
21. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Cogsdill (Droopy Erickson)
22. 06:31 PM - Re: surface prep / MEK protection (James Ochs)
23. 07:21 PM - Re: surface prep / MEK protection (Jim Combs)
24. 07:22 PM - MEK protection - I'm lost ;) (James Ochs)
25. 07:27 PM - Re: SNF List - Update (Bill McCoy)
26. 07:41 PM - Re: surface prep / MEK protection (James Ochs)
27. 07:43 PM - Re: MEK protection - I'm lost ;) (Stein Bruch)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Lots of great little "Tips of the Trade"
Great stuff,
Jim C
#40192
Do not archive
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: N213RV@aol.com
Are you using a piece of masking tape on the end of the set? When I first
started building my -4 I was getting a lot of smilies. I then started using a
piece of masking tape taped to the end of the set in the rivet gun and it
eliminated the problem. It provides just enough cushion to keep the set from
wanting to bounce off, and it cushions out the other tool marks. Also use it
on the flat set for flush head rivets. Replace it when it either rips
through or appears worn.
Mike Kraus
N223RV - RV-4 Flying
N213RV - RV-10 - Working on wings......
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| Subject: | Re: tools (cogsdill) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Consider me interested too. I'd possibly get a 3/32" and maybe
even a 1/8"....even though I'm done thru my wings.
Plus a spare blade or 2 for the 3/32".
Tim #40170
Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
> Jim, I may be interested in a group buy on the deburring tools. Does
> anybody have a price on the sets if more than 6 are purchased??
>
> Bill Britton
> RV-10 Emp #40137
> Deburring HS
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| Subject: | Re: tools (cogsdill) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
Since Cogsdill is located not too far from me I
will get a price today on the two sizes plus a
spare blade for each. I can then send them out
via Priority Mail. I will let you know, getting
ready to make the call now.
Robert
--- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> Consider me interested too. I'd possibly get a
> 3/32" and maybe
> even a 1/8"....even though I'm done thru my
> wings.
> Plus a spare blade or 2 for the 3/32".
>
> Tim #40170
>
> Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
> > Jim, I may be interested in a group buy on
> the deburring tools. Does
> > anybody have a price on the sets if more than
> 6 are purchased??
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> > Bill Britton
> > RV-10 Emp #40137
> > Deburring HS
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| Subject: | Re: tools (cogsdill) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
OK, here is the deal. The savings are not
overwhelming but this place is only about 30
minutes from here and I do not mind picking them
up and sending them out. We know the price for
1-6 pieces: 46.50 and 38.50 plus 8.60 for spare
blades. The discount is as follows: 7-12 pieces;
3%. Over 12 pieces 5%. Everyone interested just
let me know at rpvinroot@yahoo.com
Robert
--- retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:
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> Since Cogsdill is located not too far from me I
> will get a price today on the two sizes plus a
> spare blade for each. I can then send them out
> via Priority Mail. I will let you know, getting
> ready to make the call now.
> Robert
> --- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> > <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > Consider me interested too. I'd possibly get
> a
> > 3/32" and maybe
> > even a 1/8"....even though I'm done thru my
> > wings.
> > Plus a spare blade or 2 for the 3/32".
> >
> > Tim #40170
> >
> > Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
> > > Jim, I may be interested in a group buy on
> > the deburring tools. Does
> > > anybody have a price on the sets if more
> than
> > 6 are purchased??
> > >
> > > Bill Britton
> > > RV-10 Emp #40137
> > > Deburring HS
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| Subject: | Re: tools (cogsdill) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
A slight correction, the price of the smaller is
37.50.
--- retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:
> <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
>
> OK, here is the deal. The savings are not
> overwhelming but this place is only about 30
> minutes from here and I do not mind picking
> them
> up and sending them out. We know the price for
> 1-6 pieces: 46.50 and 38.50 plus 8.60 for spare
> blades. The discount is as follows: 7-12
> pieces;
> 3%. Over 12 pieces 5%. Everyone interested just
> let me know at rpvinroot@yahoo.com
> Robert
> --- retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by:
> > <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Since Cogsdill is located not too far from me
> I
> > will get a price today on the two sizes plus
> a
> > spare blade for each. I can then send them
> out
> > via Priority Mail. I will let you know,
> getting
> > ready to make the call now.
> > Robert
> > --- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> > > <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > >
> > > Consider me interested too. I'd possibly
> get
> > a
> > > 3/32" and maybe
> > > even a 1/8"....even though I'm done thru my
> > > wings.
> > > Plus a spare blade or 2 for the 3/32".
> > >
> > > Tim #40170
> > >
> > > Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
> > > > Jim, I may be interested in a group buy
> on
> > > the deburring tools. Does
> > > > anybody have a price on the sets if more
> > than
> > > 6 are purchased??
> > > >
> > > > Bill Britton
> > > > RV-10 Emp #40137
> > > > Deburring HS
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brandon Yost" <bryostdc@hotmail.com>
For those of you who are working on QB kits or have seen them, what's your
take on the quality of the construction? Are there bad rivets, dings in the
skin, skins that don't fit flush, etc? I'm interested in the QB version
simply because of the time savings, but only if the build quality is good.
I'm also curious about the thickness of the skins Vans uses, and how they
will stand up to the elements. I'm not planning on leaving my plane outside
unless I can't find a hangar while traveling, but if I have to and bad
weather hits, what are the chances it'll pull through unharmed? I only ask
because I have a buddy who built a plans-built plane (can't for the life of
me remember the name) that evidentally used very light aluminum skins. He
got caught in hail (nothing major) and his plane came out looking like it
had been beat to within an inch of its life by a five year old with a
hammer. The plane next to his (a 172) looked like it hadn't been touched.
BRY
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Another sneak attack on the seats.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
QB kits are built in the Phillipines. Its my
understanding that they use well qualified people
that used to work for the USAF at Clark AFB in
the refurbishment program. Of course Clark no
longer exists but the sheet metal workers are
still there. Van gets the QB sections back
(Fuselage and wings) and does a thorough
inspection before shipping them out to the
customer. Even if the customer is in the
Phillipines he still can't get the QB until it
has been inspected by Van. The skin is .025 on
all but the control serfaces where it is .016.
I've never heard of a problem such as you
described in the hail storm.
Robert
--- Brandon Yost <bryostdc@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brandon Yost"
> <bryostdc@hotmail.com>
>
> For those of you who are working on QB kits or
> have seen them, what's your
> take on the quality of the construction? Are
> there bad rivets, dings in the
> skin, skins that don't fit flush, etc? I'm
> interested in the QB version
> simply because of the time savings, but only if
> the build quality is good.
>
> I'm also curious about the thickness of the
> skins Vans uses, and how they
> will stand up to the elements. I'm not
> planning on leaving my plane outside
> unless I can't find a hangar while traveling,
> but if I have to and bad
> weather hits, what are the chances it'll pull
> through unharmed? I only ask
> because I have a buddy who built a plans-built
> plane (can't for the life of
> me remember the name) that evidentally used
> very light aluminum skins. He
> got caught in hail (nothing major) and his
> plane came out looking like it
> had been beat to within an inch of its life by
> a five year old with a
> hammer. The plane next to his (a 172) looked
> like it hadn't been touched.
>
> BRY
>
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Tim has posted some additional photos of my now installed panel. They can be found at www.myrv10.com. Thanks again Tim. I will be at Sun n Fun from Wed - Monday and will be at the AeroCrafters booth from 11:00 till 4:00 each day. Please come buy and say hello. I would also like to have dinner or breakfast with anyone interested. Let me know. Randy 40006. The punch list is very short.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr)" <nikolaos.napoli@ngc.com>
I believe the inboard wing skins are 0.032in
Niko
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Quality
--> RV10-List message posted by: <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
QB kits are built in the Phillipines. Its my
understanding that they use well qualified people
that used to work for the USAF at Clark AFB in
the refurbishment program. Of course Clark no
longer exists but the sheet metal workers are
still there. Van gets the QB sections back
(Fuselage and wings) and does a thorough
inspection before shipping them out to the
customer. Even if the customer is in the
Phillipines he still can't get the QB until it
has been inspected by Van. The skin is .025 on
all but the control serfaces where it is .016.
I've never heard of a problem such as you
described in the hail storm.
Robert
--- Brandon Yost <bryostdc@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brandon Yost"
> <bryostdc@hotmail.com>
>
> For those of you who are working on QB kits or
> have seen them, what's your
> take on the quality of the construction? Are
> there bad rivets, dings in the
> skin, skins that don't fit flush, etc? I'm
> interested in the QB version
> simply because of the time savings, but only if
> the build quality is good.
>
> I'm also curious about the thickness of the
> skins Vans uses, and how they
> will stand up to the elements. I'm not
> planning on leaving my plane outside
> unless I can't find a hangar while traveling,
> but if I have to and bad
> weather hits, what are the chances it'll pull
> through unharmed? I only ask
> because I have a buddy who built a plans-built
> plane (can't for the life of
> me remember the name) that evidentally used
> very light aluminum skins. He
> got caught in hail (nothing major) and his
> plane came out looking like it
> had been beat to within an inch of its life by
> a five year old with a
> hammer. The plane next to his (a 172) looked
> like it hadn't been touched.
>
> BRY
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I think that most, if not all, of the forward fuselage skins are also .032.
Bob
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-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Quality
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr)" <nikolaos.napoli@ngc.com>
I believe the inboard wing skins are 0.032in
Niko
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Quality
--> RV10-List message posted by: <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
QB kits are built in the Phillipines. Its my
understanding that they use well qualified people
that used to work for the USAF at Clark AFB in
the refurbishment program. Of course Clark no
longer exists but the sheet metal workers are
still there. Van gets the QB sections back
(Fuselage and wings) and does a thorough
inspection before shipping them out to the
customer. Even if the customer is in the
Phillipines he still can't get the QB until it
has been inspected by Van. The skin is .025 on
all but the control serfaces where it is .016.
I've never heard of a problem such as you
described in the hail storm.
Robert
--- Brandon Yost <bryostdc@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brandon Yost"
> <bryostdc@hotmail.com>
>
> For those of you who are working on QB kits or
> have seen them, what's your
> take on the quality of the construction? Are
> there bad rivets, dings in the
> skin, skins that don't fit flush, etc? I'm
> interested in the QB version
> simply because of the time savings, but only if
> the build quality is good.
>
> I'm also curious about the thickness of the
> skins Vans uses, and how they
> will stand up to the elements. I'm not
> planning on leaving my plane outside
> unless I can't find a hangar while traveling,
> but if I have to and bad
> weather hits, what are the chances it'll pull
> through unharmed? I only ask
> because I have a buddy who built a plans-built
> plane (can't for the life of
> me remember the name) that evidentally used
> very light aluminum skins. He
> got caught in hail (nothing major) and his
> plane came out looking like it
> had been beat to within an inch of its life by
> a five year old with a
> hammer. The plane next to his (a 172) looked
> like it hadn't been touched.
>
> BRY
>
>
> Download today - it's FREE!
>
>
>
>
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> Subscriptions page,
> Chat, FAQ,
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If you use silpruf, you just do it like the car guys, run a very thin steel wire
at one point through the silpruf bead, use both ends and run it around and you
cut the window out, then clean all and start new.
Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Windshield
Is it just me or is the windshield permanent? I guess we just hope we don't
get any scratches on it. That would be a TON of work to replace in the future.
We have replaced windows in our 172 an PA-14. What happens when we get to
that point on the -10?
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | SNF List - Update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
We've had a fairly good turnout for the Sun-N-Fun list. I'm
just praying the weather holds so I can fly down Wednesday.
Glad I'm not doing that X/C today with this weatehr.
Here is a sanitized version of the SNF list as we have so far:
http://www.myrv10.com/snf2/
Again, if you want to be on the list, just send me an email.
The page is password protected for YOUR benefit, as I wouldn't
want to aid the spammers and people with malicious intent, so
I'm trying to keep your phone and email info private.
I've been swamped lately, so you haven't heard much from me, but
I did get billed today almost $20,000 from Van's, so my 2
kit sections are going to ship very soon. What stinks is
I'll be at SNF. Their current orders are to not ship before
Monday....that way I should at least not having them sitting
at the freight terminal for more than a couple days until
I go get them. I can't wait to be building again.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wing Kit - Almost Complete
QB Fuse - Coming soon!
'77 Sundowner - Flying
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Sorry if I'm late with this info as I get the digest version.
I just ordered the 3/32" & 1/8" Buraway direct from Cogsdill in SC
(803-438-4000) plus an extra blade for each. Total was $100.50 + $5 handling
+ actual UPS shipping. I told her I was going to use it for aluminum and she
said, "oh so you'll want the lighter spring". Rick, I wonder what spring was
in the one you were using? If it was the normal spring, maybe that would
account for some of the 'aggressiveness' you felt it had on aluminum vice
steel. Just a thought?
-Jim
o\o
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| Subject: | Re: tools (cogsdill) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Since you're in state, are they going to have to charge you
tax? If so, that would more than eat up the savings
for someone ordering from most states.
Tim
retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
>
> A slight correction, the price of the smaller is
> 37.50.
> --- retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by:
>><retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
>>
>>OK, here is the deal. The savings are not
>>overwhelming but this place is only about 30
>>minutes from here and I do not mind picking
>>them
>>up and sending them out. We know the price for
>>1-6 pieces: 46.50 and 38.50 plus 8.60 for spare
>>blades. The discount is as follows: 7-12
>>pieces;
>>3%. Over 12 pieces 5%. Everyone interested just
>>let me know at rpvinroot@yahoo.com
>>Robert
>>--- retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by:
>>><retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Since Cogsdill is located not too far from me
>>
>>I
>>
>>>will get a price today on the two sizes plus
>>
>>a
>>
>>>spare blade for each. I can then send them
>>
>>out
>>
>>>via Priority Mail. I will let you know,
>>
>>getting
>>
>>>ready to make the call now.
>>>Robert
>>>--- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>>>><Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>
>>>>Consider me interested too. I'd possibly
>>
>>get
>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>3/32" and maybe
>>>>even a 1/8"....even though I'm done thru my
>>>>wings.
>>>>Plus a spare blade or 2 for the 3/32".
>>>>
>>>>Tim #40170
>>>>
>>>>Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Jim, I may be interested in a group buy
>>
>>on
>>
>>>>the deburring tools. Does
>>>>
>>>>>anybody have a price on the sets if more
>>>
>>>than
>>>
>>>>6 are purchased??
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Britton
>>>>>RV-10 Emp #40137
>>>>>Deburring HS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>to browse
>>>>Subscriptions page,
>>>>Chat, FAQ,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>to browse
>>>Subscriptions page,
>>>Chat, FAQ,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>to browse
>>Subscriptions page,
>>Chat, FAQ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: tools (cogsdill) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Since you're in state, are they going to have to charge you
tax? If so, that would more than eat up the savings
for someone ordering from most states.
Tim
retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
>
> A slight correction, the price of the smaller is
> 37.50.
> --- retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by:
>><retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
>>
>>OK, here is the deal. The savings are not
>>overwhelming but this place is only about 30
>>minutes from here and I do not mind picking
>>them
>>up and sending them out. We know the price for
>>1-6 pieces: 46.50 and 38.50 plus 8.60 for spare
>>blades. The discount is as follows: 7-12
>>pieces;
>>3%. Over 12 pieces 5%. Everyone interested just
>>let me know at rpvinroot@yahoo.com
>>Robert
>>--- retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by:
>>><retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Since Cogsdill is located not too far from me
>>
>>I
>>
>>>will get a price today on the two sizes plus
>>
>>a
>>
>>>spare blade for each. I can then send them
>>
>>out
>>
>>>via Priority Mail. I will let you know,
>>
>>getting
>>
>>>ready to make the call now.
>>>Robert
>>>--- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>>>><Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>
>>>>Consider me interested too. I'd possibly
>>
>>get
>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>3/32" and maybe
>>>>even a 1/8"....even though I'm done thru my
>>>>wings.
>>>>Plus a spare blade or 2 for the 3/32".
>>>>
>>>>Tim #40170
>>>>
>>>>Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Jim, I may be interested in a group buy
>>
>>on
>>
>>>>the deburring tools. Does
>>>>
>>>>>anybody have a price on the sets if more
>>>
>>>than
>>>
>>>>6 are purchased??
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Britton
>>>>>RV-10 Emp #40137
>>>>>Deburring HS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>to browse
>>>>Subscriptions page,
>>>>Chat, FAQ,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>to browse
>>>Subscriptions page,
>>>Chat, FAQ,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>to browse
>>Subscriptions page,
>>Chat, FAQ,
>>
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| Subject: | Re: SNF List - Update |
Anybody on there way to SNF flying past Pensacola, FL (2r4) on Friday, Saturday?
My PA-28 180 was damaged in Ivan and it will not be out of the paint shop by
then. :( Mark #40167 Wings on order.
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
We've had a fairly good turnout for the Sun-N-Fun list. I'm
just praying the weather holds so I can fly down Wednesday.
Glad I'm not doing that X/C today with this weatehr.
Here is a sanitized version of the SNF list as we have so far:
http://www.myrv10.com/snf2/
Again, if you want to be on the list, just send me an email.
The page is password protected for YOUR benefit, as I wouldn't
want to aid the spammers and people with malicious intent, so
I'm trying to keep your phone and email info private.
I've been swamped lately, so you haven't heard much from me, but
I did get billed today almost $20,000 from Van's, so my 2
kit sections are going to ship very soon. What stinks is
I'll be at SNF. Their current orders are to not ship before
Monday....that way I should at least not having them sitting
at the freight terminal for more than a couple days until
I go get them. I can't wait to be building again.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wing Kit - Almost Complete
QB Fuse - Coming soon!
'77 Sundowner - Flying
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: surface prep / MEK protection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Oh my gosh!! JAMES JAMES JAMES....ever heard of the shot fired in anger????
I'll only comment on your mask issue.....respirators require a good seal to function
properly. Do a fit test, hold your hands over the filters and suck in, if
you can get air, it ain't working. Cheap ones don't fit well...good ones do,
I do workplace safety surveys for the insurance biz, I'll soon be moving to
the Feds (OSHA) shortly......invest in a good mask, be aware that most masks will
not protect you from some (Sherwin Williams) two part epoxy primers. Spray
all flammable liquids out of the area of pilot lights. DO NOT spray MEK....volatile,
explosive mix, I put cut up squares of scott (blue) towels in Glad "trade
name brand" toss away bowl filled with MEK for handy wipes, keep the lid on,
it is one of the only plasitics I have seen that MEK won't attack, be advised
that although they resemble baby bottom wipes, they tend to burn infant skin
so stick with Johnson & Johnson for the baby's bottom...FWIW it will eat the
handle of your Avery deburring tool. Try soaking your mask in boiling water (note:
remove filter and straps) to soften the rubber for a few seconds and then
mold the rubber to the shape or remove the dent. If I recall MEK has a very
short PEL, or exposure time limit, the best aluminum cleaner and prep I have found
is Alumaprep....it works great, is water soluble, save the MEK for the tanks,
not much of a choice there, gotta use it. The MEK will allow you to transfer
Proseal from the metal or tools to the paper towel...nothing dissolves Proseal...just
moves it from one substance to the other. I'll leave the primer vs.
Alcad to the others....I only primed mating surfaces...oops....started to tell
my method...not gonna do it!!! ;)
If you don't think MEK is bad, get the MSDS sheet and read it over...if you get
it on your skin, get it wshed off, a sign of over exposure is you can "taste"
it....the heck with that....is bad enough to smell it!!
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: SNF List - Update |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Tim,
No problem with delivery while your in Florida...wish I could make it. Won't the
lollipop guild be able to unload the crate? Have your munchkins no contacts
with the guild?
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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What's ironic is I stopped using mine cuz it wasn't taking ENOUGH of the
burr off... May have to look at it again. Seem to remember something
about a way to adjust the tension on the blade also. Anyone?
John
#40208 Wings
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cogsdill
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick
Uhhh...ummmmm......lighter spring? You mean there's a spring in there?
;)
May be why I thought it worked a little to well on aluminum and good on
steel huh?
Rick S.
40185
Wings
to
and
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| Subject: | surface prep / MEK protection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Hehe, no, I've pretty much made my decisions on how, where, what to use and
whether to prime or not, I was just curious as to the actual affect of
scotchbriting alclad... i.e. not asking if it's a good idea, but only if it
goes deep enough to remove the aluminum coating...
As far as the MEK is concerned, the only time the container will be open
around my shop is outdoors and well away from any ignition sources ;) I
don't have a good place to use it indoors because all my appliances are gas
and that stuff stinks up the place anyway.
I'll have a look at the alumaprep.
As far as the mask is concerned it's a 3M 6200 series w/ the 6001 filters
which are supposedly good for all the chemicals I intend to use it with. I
think the dent that is causing the problem is actually the shape of my nose,
not the mask ;) I'll try the boiling water trick and see what happens...
would you consider this a "good" mask or is there something else I should be
looking at?
Do not archive...
Thanks,
james
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: surface prep / MEK protection
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Oh my gosh!! JAMES JAMES JAMES....ever heard of the shot fired in anger????
I'll only comment on your mask issue.....respirators require a good seal to
function properly. Do a fit test, hold your hands over the filters and suck
in, if you can get air, it ain't working. Cheap ones don't fit well...good
ones do, I do workplace safety surveys for the insurance biz, I'll soon be
moving to the Feds (OSHA) shortly......invest in a good mask, be aware that
most masks will not protect you from some (Sherwin Williams) two part epoxy
primers. Spray all flammable liquids out of the area of pilot lights. DO NOT
spray MEK....volatile, explosive mix, I put cut up squares of scott (blue)
towels in Glad "trade name brand" toss away bowl filled with MEK for handy
wipes, keep the lid on, it is one of the only plasitics I have seen that MEK
won't attack, be advised that although they resemble baby bottom wipes, they
tend to burn infant skin so stick with Johnson & Johnson for the baby's
bottom...FWIW it will eat the handle of your Avery deburring tool. Try
soaking yo!
ur mask in boiling water (note: remove filter and straps) to soften the
rubber for a few seconds and then mold the rubber to the shape or remove the
dent. If I recall MEK has a very short PEL, or exposure time limit, the best
aluminum cleaner and prep I have found is Alumaprep....it works great, is
water soluble, save the MEK for the tanks, not much of a choice there, gotta
use it. The MEK will allow you to transfer Proseal from the metal or tools
to the paper towel...nothing dissolves Proseal...just moves it from one
substance to the other. I'll leave the primer vs. Alcad to the others....I
only primed mating surfaces...oops....started to tell my method...not gonna
do it!!! ;)
If you don't think MEK is bad, get the MSDS sheet and read it over...if you
get it on your skin, get it wshed off, a sign of over exposure is you can
"taste" it....the heck with that....is bad enough to smell it!!
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: surface prep / MEK protection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Rick,
Where is a good place to get the MSDS sheets (Online?)
I very much would like to read it.
Thanks, Jim C
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Oh my gosh!! JAMES JAMES JAMES....ever heard of the shot fired in anger????
I'll only comment on your mask issue.....respirators require a good seal to function
properly. Do a fit test, hold your hands over the filters and suck in, if
you can get air, it ain't working. Cheap ones don't fit well...good ones do,
I do workplace safety surveys for the insurance biz, I'll soon be moving to
the Feds (OSHA) shortly......invest in a good mask, be aware that most masks will
not protect you from some (Sherwin Williams) two part epoxy primers. Spray
all flammable liquids out of the area of pilot lights. DO NOT spray MEK....volatile,
explosive mix, I put cut up squares of scott (blue) towels in Glad "trade
name brand" toss away bowl filled with MEK for handy wipes, keep the lid on,
it is one of the only plasitics I have seen that MEK won't attack, be advised
that although they resemble baby bottom wipes, they tend to burn infant skin
so stick with Johnson & Johnson for the baby's bottom...FWIW it will eat the
handle of your Avery deburring tool. Try soaking yo!
ur mask in boiling water (note: remove filter and straps) to soften the rubber
for a few seconds and then mold the rubber to the shape or remove the dent. If
I recall MEK has a very short PEL, or exposure time limit, the best aluminum
cleaner and prep I have found is Alumaprep....it works great, is water soluble,
save the MEK for the tanks, not much of a choice there, gotta use it. The MEK
will allow you to transfer Proseal from the metal or tools to the paper towel...nothing
dissolves Proseal...just moves it from one substance to the other.
I'll leave the primer vs. Alcad to the others....I only primed mating surfaces...oops....started
to tell my method...not gonna do it!!! ;)
If you don't think MEK is bad, get the MSDS sheet and read it over...if you get
it on your skin, get it wshed off, a sign of over exposure is you can "taste"
it....the heck with that....is bad enough to smell it!!
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | MEK protection - I'm lost ;) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
ok, now I am really confused... about 50% of the searching I have done says
that Latex gloves are extremely effective for protection against MEK. The
other 50% say that latex is either soluble or extremely permeable to MEK.
Others say that Nitrile gloves are good, while even others say Nitrile and
MEK is a bad combo... The different sites I have been looking at are glove
manufacturers, university safety policies, etc, etc... and of course the
MSDS doesn't really say WHAT materials to use for gloves that I could
find... Does anyone have a definitive source on what to use? It looks like
alumiprep is not quite as bad as MEK, but it isn't exactly water either ;)
is there something that is good for both? Or is this one of those topics
that nobody really has a good answer for?
Thanks,
james
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| Subject: | Re: SNF List - Update |
Oh yea I forgot to say I'll chip in for fuel!
Mark #40167
Wings on order
P28 180 in the shop
Mark Lamon <hoverlover9797@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anybody on there way to SNF flying past Pensacola, FL (2r4) on Friday, Saturday?
My PA-28 180 was damaged in Ivan and it will not be out of the paint shop by
then. :( Mark #40167 Wings on order.
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
We've had a fairly good turnout for the Sun-N-Fun list. I'm
just praying the weather holds so I can fly down Wednesday.
Glad I'm not doing that X/C today with this weatehr.
Here is a sanitized version of the SNF list as we have so far:
http://www.myrv10.com/snf2/
Again, if you want to be on the list, just send me an email.
The page is password protected for YOUR benefit, as I wouldn't
want to aid the spammers and people with malicious intent, so
I'm trying to keep your phone and email info private.
I've been swamped lately, so you haven't heard much from me, but
I did get billed today almost $20,000 from Van's, so my 2
kit sections are going to ship very soon. What stinks is
I'll be at SNF. Their current orders are to not ship before
Monday....that way I should at least not having them sitting
at the freight terminal for more than a couple days until
I go get them. I can't wait to be building again.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wing Kit - Almost Complete
QB Fuse - Coming soon!
'77 Sundowner - Flying
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | surface prep / MEK protection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
http://msds.ehs.cornell.edu/msdssrch.asp
Just put MEK in the first search box and you should find quite a few of them
;)
James
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: surface prep / MEK protection
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Rick,
Where is a good place to get the MSDS sheets (Online?)
I very much would like to read it.
Thanks, Jim C
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d="scan'208"; a="829720733:sNHT18248644"
| Subject: | MEK protection - I'm lost ;) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
The thing here is just to stay the heck away from MEK. It's bad stuff all
the way around. Acetone is still nasty, but not nearly as bad for you as
MEK. I've built more than one of these RV's and have yet to find a
legitimate reason to use MEK over other available subsitutes such as Acetone
or even better use plain old alchohol (not the liquor store stuff). It
shouldn't be understated how nasty MEK is for you...it will cause all kinds
of health problems, the least of your worries is whether or not it dissolves
your gloves!!
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: RV10-List: MEK protection - I'm lost ;)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
ok, now I am really confused... about 50% of the searching I have done says
that Latex gloves are extremely effective for protection against MEK. The
other 50% say that latex is either soluble or extremely permeable to MEK.
Others say that Nitrile gloves are good, while even others say Nitrile and
MEK is a bad combo... The different sites I have been looking at are glove
manufacturers, university safety policies, etc, etc... and of course the
MSDS doesn't really say WHAT materials to use for gloves that I could
find... Does anyone have a definitive source on what to use? It looks like
alumiprep is not quite as bad as MEK, but it isn't exactly water either ;)
is there something that is good for both? Or is this one of those topics
that nobody really has a good answer for?
Thanks,
james
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