---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/08/05: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:08 AM - Re: air compressor (David & Miriam Talley) 2. 07:07 AM - Re: air compressor (DejaVu) 3. 08:21 AM - Re: air compressor (Dj Merrill) 4. 08:23 AM - Re: air compressor (Dj Merrill) 5. 10:06 AM - Re: air compressor (Jim Combs) 6. 01:18 PM - Fuel Flow Transducer (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 7. 01:47 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (Randy DeBauw) 8. 02:02 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer () 9. 02:11 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 10. 02:16 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (Randy DeBauw) 11. 02:24 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 12. 02:36 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 13. 03:59 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (RobHickman@aol.com) 14. 04:02 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (RobHickman@aol.com) 15. 04:44 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 16. 05:45 PM - Re: air compressor (Tim Olson) 17. 05:48 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (Tim Olson) 18. 06:09 PM - Re: Testing photos (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 19. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Testing photos (linn walters) 20. 06:30 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 21. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Testing photos (Larry) 22. 09:03 PM - QB fuselage (David McNeill) 23. 10:49 PM - Gascolator (Mark Chamberlain) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:51 AM PST US From: David & Miriam Talley Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor --> RV10-List message posted by: David & Miriam Talley A few years ago (Hey, now that I think about it it's about 10 or so...) I asked a fellow Stinson restorer what compressor to get. He suggested a "PUMA". I "special ordered" the one I needed from (back then) from a new company: Harbor Freight. The thing was shipped free to me. I ordered a 30 gallon baby on wheels. It is two cylinder 120/240 volt operation! All you do is rewire it with a new cord and plug head. (I still have mine on 110.) It's a horizontal model with wheels on one end for maneuvering around the shop. Oh, did I tell you it is QUITE!!! As in even to day, folks walk into the hangar and if the thing kicks off, they tell me, "Geez, that thing is quite". Folks, I mean like every time a newbie hears it they are amazed. It puts out a ton of air. All I ever have done is drain it. I probably should change the oil in it. We're expanding our shop out at 8T8 outside of San Antonio. A fellow pilot tracked down a very used, yet restored, Worthington compressor. I don't have all the specs, but it's got what we think is a 200 gallon tank. The output pipe on it is at least a 2 inch galvanized thing. I've head it run for a minute or so and it, too, is quite. It's a two cylinder model. Again, from inside a building and fully restored a couple of years ago so it looks and operates greatly. Our price: $1,500. The wife still needs to write the check. :-) It takes a folklift to move it (the friend bought one also) so when the hangar is dried in, we'll move it out to the airport. You can't have enough air! Take care and good luck1 David Talley HEADING TO SNF tomorrow! At 10:11 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill > >Hi all, > I'm in the market for an air compressor to run >my tools. I need to find something that is as >quiet as possible, since my workshop is part of the >house. > > Any suggestions? > >-Dj > >-- >Dj Merrill >deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu > >"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation" > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:06 AM PST US From: "DejaVu" Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor --> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" I picked up my twin cyl cast iron 120V at a flea market years ago when I didn't know what to do with it. Had to replace the gaskets and bought a few fittings. It is as quiet as your refridgerator (figuratively speaking). Anh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > I don't think you'll have an easy time finding a truly quiet one, > but here's some advice. Whatever you do, don't go oilless if you > want longevity and/or quietness. If you want as quiet as possible, > buy a model with a cast iron head and cylinder. They probably will > last longer than many too. > > When I started building, I shopped long and hard and I purchased a > very nice one, for not any more than many cheaper ones run. > It's the Campbell Hausfeld VT6271, which is a 26 gal. twin cylinder cast > iron (240V only -- 15A) oil lube that puts out 10.3@90PSI (11.8@40PSI). > I got it for only $349 directly from Campbell-Hausfeld. Shipping was > reasonable too. This compressor is really just the motor/pump from > their vertical 60gal. model placed on the 26gal. horizontal > tank. It works great for me so far and is night-and-day quieter than > a friends oil-free compressor. I chose this model for one big reason. > You really want over 10CFM if possible for doing your painting, and > running some of the tools like die grinders and even the drill to > some extent. If you had the space, you're probably better off with > the 60 gallon upright, but my smaller horizontal fits under my > bench. Don't be worried about pulling in a 240V outlet...it's > easy for anyone who can build a plane. Also, be careful while > shopping. Many companies over-state their real horsepower rating. > you really want to find out how many CFM @ 90psi it can do. > Anything under about 5 or 7 is just too small. Anything over 14 > or so would be more than most people would need for their project. > > You have to call them and ask for that price (it's cheaper than their > website listing). Their number is 1-888-CHPOWER. > > Tim Olson #40170 > > > Dj Merrill wrote: > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill > > > > Hi all, > > I'm in the market for an air compressor to run > > my tools. I need to find something that is as > > quiet as possible, since my workshop is part of the > > house. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > -Dj > > > > > --- > > --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:05 AM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill David & Miriam Talley wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: David & Miriam Talley > > A few years ago (Hey, now that I think about it it's about 10 or so...) > I asked a fellow Stinson restorer what compressor to get. > > He suggested a "PUMA". > > I "special ordered" the one I needed from (back then) from a new > company: Harbor Freight. The thing was shipped free to me. I ordered a > 30 gallon baby on wheels. It is two cylinder 120/240 volt operation! > All you do is rewire it with a new cord and plug head. (I still have > mine on 110.) It's a horizontal model with wheels on one end for > maneuvering around the shop. > Hi David, Do you happen to have the model number? I found this one at Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34884 but it appears to be 230v only... Thanks! -Dj -- Dj Merrill deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu "TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:23 AM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill Tim Olson wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Don't be worried about pulling in a 240V outlet...it's > easy for anyone who can build a plane. Also, be careful while Hi Tim, Unfortunately I don't own the house I am currently living in, so this really isn't an option for me. However, I may be able to run an extension cord from where the dryer plugs in (in the next room), and just swap the plugs back and forth. It would be much easier to go with 120v, though, if I can find something suitable. I found your unit at Harbor Freight for $430. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34850 -Dj -- Dj Merrill deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu "TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:55 AM PST US From: "Jim Combs" Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" I have a 1/2 HP 1 CFM @ 90 PSI compressor on a 10 Gallon tank. Works just fine for the air tools, won't work for paint. One thing I did do was to put a muffler on the "intake". Thats where most of the noise is. Epoxied a coffee can to the intake, inserted some foam filers from a lawn mower and now its quiet. Jim Combs #40192 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Heads up - I ordered the fuel flow transducer for an AF-2500 (formerly ACS-2002) and the sensor that they provided was different than the bracket supplied in the kit was designed to take. Very easy to fix before riveting the various fuselage ribs, skins, etc. in place. Unfortunately, difficult to change the bracket when you get to the chapter on plumbing the fuel system. Problem is simply that the holes aren't spaced or aligned the same. I'll post info on the unit supplied later today or over the weekend. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:12 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer From: "Randy DeBauw" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" Mine fit fine Bob. I put it in 9 months ago. When did they change? Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Heads up - I ordered the fuel flow transducer for an AF-2500 (formerly ACS-2002) and the sensor that they provided was different than the bracket supplied in the kit was designed to take. Very easy to fix before riveting the various fuselage ribs, skins, etc. in place. Unfortunately, difficult to change the bracket when you get to the chapter on plumbing the fuel system. Problem is simply that the holes aren't spaced or aligned the same. I'll post info on the unit supplied later today or over the weekend. 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talked to AFS about this. They apparently changed from the Floscan to the EI produced unit because of cost. Question: since these units are frequently just attached to the fuel line and nothing else, does anybody see an issue with just using a single mounting bolt? Bob #40105 From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer Randy, Not sure when they changed - maybe when they went from the ACS-2002 to AF-2500? I just looked at my transducer and it's an Electronics Internation FT-60 (Red Cube). Instead of having the mounting holes on diagonal corners, it has them on a single side spaced 1 3/8" center to center which is a little further apart than the Van's supplied bracket holes. I just checked on the AFS website and they show this unit in the latest manual on page 40: http://advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorSupport/AF-2500%20System%20Manual%20V3.0.pdf I snapped a picture of it but the list will strips off attachments. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Randy DeBauw Sent: Fri 04/08/2005 03:46 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Cc: Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" Mine fit fine Bob. I put it in 9 months ago. When did they change? Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:19 PM To: RV10-List@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Heads up - I ordered the fuel flow transducer for an AF-2500 (formerly ACS-2002) and the sensor that they provided was different than the bracket supplied in the kit was designed to take. Very easy to fix before riveting the various fuselage ribs, skins, etc. in place. Unfortunately, difficult to change the bracket when you get to the chapter on plumbing the fuel system. Problem is simply that the holes aren't spaced or aligned the same. I'll post info on the unit supplied later today or over the weekend. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:28 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" I would think that would be fine. Except for vibration, you could probably get away with an installation that wasn't bolted down at all . . . TDT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I just talked to AFS about this. They apparently changed from the Floscan to the EI produced unit because of cost. Question: since these units are frequently just attached to the fuel line and nothing else, does anybody see an issue with just using a single mounting bolt? Bob #40105 From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer Randy, Not sure when they changed - maybe when they went from the ACS-2002 to AF-2500? I just looked at my transducer and it's an Electronics Internation FT-60 (Red Cube). Instead of having the mounting holes on diagonal corners, it has them on a single side spaced 1 3/8" center to center which is a little further apart than the Van's supplied bracket holes. I just checked on the AFS website and they show this unit in the latest manual on page 40: http://advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorSupport/AF-2500%20System%20Manual%20V3.0.pdf I snapped a picture of it but the list will strips off attachments. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Randy DeBauw Sent: Fri 04/08/2005 03:46 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Cc: Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" Mine fit fine Bob. I put it in 9 months ago. When did they change? Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:19 PM To: RV10-List@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Heads up - I ordered the fuel flow transducer for an AF-2500 (formerly ACS-2002) and the sensor that they provided was different than the bracket supplied in the kit was designed to take. Very easy to fix before riveting the various fuselage ribs, skins, etc. in place. Unfortunately, difficult to change the bracket when you get to the chapter on plumbing the fuel system. Problem is simply that the holes aren't spaced or aligned the same. I'll post info on the unit supplied later today or over the weekend. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:24 PM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer The EI transducer has the following benefits: 1. Better resolution 2. Less pressure drop 3. Does not require fire shielding. 4. Less likely that debris will plug it. Rob Hickman Advanced Flight Systems ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:47 PM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer Transducer location. For a fuel injected engine you really want to put it in the line from the servo to the distribution block for the best accuracy. Rob Hickman Advanced Flight Systems (packing for Sun-N-Fun) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:31 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Um9iLA0KIA0KVGhhbmtzIGZvciB0aGUgaW5mbyAtIGFzIEkgZXhwbGFpbmVkIHRvIEtlbiBvbiB0 aGUgcGhvbmUsIEkgd2Fzbid0IGNvbmNlcm5lZCBhYm91dCB0aGUgZmFjdCB0aGF0IHRoZSBzZW5z b3IgeW91IHN1cHBsaWVkIHdhc24ndCBhIEZsb3NjYW4uICBJIGp1c3Qgd2FudGVkIHRvIG1ha2Ug eW91IGFsbCBhd2FyZSB0aGF0IFZhbidzIGlzIHN1cHBseWluZyBhIGJyYWNrZXQgdG8gbW91bnQg dGhlIHNlbnNvciBpbiB0aGUgdHVubmVsIGJldHdlZW4gdGhlIHR3byBsYXJnZSBmdXNlbGFnZSBy aWJzLiAgQmVjYXVzZSB0aGUgbW91bnRpbmcgaG9sZXMgYXJlIGluIGEgZGlmZmVyZW50IGxvY2F0 aW9uIG9uIHRoZSBGVC02MCwgaXQgZG9lc24ndCBmaXQgdGhlIGJyYWNrZXQuICBTaW5jZSBWYW4n cyB1c2VzIHRoZSBBRi0yNTAwIGluIGJvdGggdGhlaXIgUlYtMTBzIGFuZCBhIGxvdCBvZiBidWls ZGVycyBhcmUgcGxhbm5pbmcgb24gaXQsIEkgd2FudGVkIHRvIGNvbnZleSB0aGUgZGlmZmVyZW5j ZSB0byBmb2xrcy4gIFN1cmUgaXMgYSBsb3QgZWFzaWVyIHRvIG1ha2UgYSBjaGFuZ2UgdG8gdGhl IGJyYWNrZXQgYmVmb3JlIGluc3RhbGxpbmcgaXQuDQogDQpOb3csIHdpdGggYWxsIG9mIHRoYXQg c2FpZCAtIHNpbmNlIGEgbG90IG9mIGZvbGtzIGp1c3QgYXR0YWNoIGZ1ZWwgZmxvdyBzZW5zb3Jz IGRpcmVjdGx5IHRvIHRoZSBmdWVsIHN1cHBseSBsaW5lcywgZG8geW91IHNlZSBhbnkgaXNzdWUg dXNpbmcganVzdCBhIHNpbmdsZSBib2x0IHRvIGF0dGFjaCBpdCB0byB0aGUgYnJhY2tldD8gIEhh cmQgdG8gc2VlIHRoYXQgaXQgd291bGQgYmUgYSBwcm9ibGVtIC0gdGhlcmUgd2lsbCBiZSBhIHBh aXIgMy84IiBmdWVsIGxpbmVzIHNvIGl0IHdvbid0IGJlIGFibGUgdG8gcm90YXRlIGF0IGFsbC4N CiANCkJvYiAjNDAxMDUNCg0KCS0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tIA0KCUZyb206IG93 bmVyLXJ2MTAtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSBvbiBiZWhhbGYgb2YgUm9iSGlja21h bkBhb2wuY29tIA0KCVNlbnQ6IEZyaSAwNC8wOC8yMDA1IDA2OjAyIFBNIA0KCVRvOiBydjEwLWxp c3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSANCglDYzogDQoJU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFJWMTAtTGlzdDogRnVlbCBG bG93IFRyYW5zZHVjZXINCgkNCgkNCgkNCglUcmFuc2R1Y2VyIGxvY2F0aW9uLg0KCSANCglGb3Ig YSBmdWVsIGluamVjdGVkIGVuZ2luZSB5b3UgcmVhbGx5IHdhbnQgdG8gcHV0IGl0IGluIHRoZSBs aW5lIGZyb20gdGhlIHNlcnZvIHRvIHRoZSBkaXN0cmlidXRpb24gYmxvY2sgZm9yIHRoZSBiZXN0 IGFjY3VyYWN5Lg0KCSANCglSb2IgSGlja21hbg0KCUFkdmFuY2VkIEZsaWdodCBTeXN0ZW1zIChw YWNraW5nIGZvciBTdW4tTi1GdW4pDQoNCg== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:51 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Yeah, I found it on Harbor Freight at the time too, but I got a better price in the end from CH direct....they don't advertize it but even with shipping it was less. I'm not sure if it's always that way. The sales guy also threw in a die grinder for free because I was nice to him.....just ask if they can throw in a small tool or two and I bet they will. Tim Dj Merrill wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill > > Tim Olson wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson >> >> Don't be worried about pulling in a 240V outlet...it's >> easy for anyone who can build a plane. Also, be careful while > > > Hi Tim, > Unfortunately I don't own the house I am currently > living in, so this really isn't an option for me. > However, I may be able to run an extension cord from > where the dryer plugs in (in the next room), and just > swap the plugs back and forth. > > It would be much easier to go with 120v, though, > if I can find something suitable. > > I found your unit at Harbor Freight for $430. > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34850 > > -Dj > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:28 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Hey Bob, Just FYI, Matt Dralle actually did a change to the list when we hopped over here. You can now attach an image if you want. Try sending a .jpg to the list....I think it will go. Tim Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > Randy, > > Not sure when they changed - maybe when they went from the ACS-2002 to AF-2500? I just looked at my transducer and it's an Electronics Internation FT-60 (Red Cube). Instead of having the mounting holes on diagonal corners, it has them on a single side spaced 1 3/8" center to center which is a little further apart than the Van's supplied bracket holes. I just checked on the AFS website and they show this unit in the latest manual on page 40: > http://advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorSupport/AF-2500%20System%20Manual%20V3.0.pdf > > I snapped a picture of it but the list will strips off attachments. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Randy DeBauw > Sent: Fri 04/08/2005 03:46 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Cc: > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer > > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > Mine fit fine Bob. I put it in 9 months ago. When did they change? Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob > (US SSA) > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:19 PM > To: RV10-List@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" > > Heads up - I ordered the fuel flow transducer for an AF-2500 (formerly ACS-2002) and the sensor that they provided was different than the bracket supplied in the kit was designed to take. Very easy to fix before riveting the various fuselage ribs, skins, etc. in place. Unfortunately, difficult to change the bracket when you get to the chapter on plumbing the fuel system. Problem is simply that the holes aren't spaced or aligned the same. 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But it puts the yeller bullseye right on the cockpit!! HOWEVER, if we want to keep Matt on our side, if it's not RV-10 (or whatever) related or worth saving for later, please add the 'do not archive' statement to your emails. Pictures will surely fill up the server rapidly. No, I'm not the list cop .... it's just a suggestion. Linn ..... it's already there, above .... and it does work! -- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:22 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" T2ssIGxldCdzIGdpdmUgaXQgYSB0cnkuICBGaXJzdCBwaWN0dXJlIGlzIG9mIGEgRmxvU2NhbiAy MzEgLSB5b3UgY2FuIHNlZSBob3cgdGhlIG1vdW50aW5nIGhvbGVzIGFyZSBkaWFnb25hbGx5IG9w cG9zZWQgcmVsYXRpdmUgdG8gdGhlIGlucHV0ICYgb3V0cHV0IHBvcnRzLiAgU2Vjb25kIHBpY3R1 cmUgaXMgdGhlIEVJIEZULTYwIHdoaWNoIGhhcyBhIGxhcmdlciBzcGFjaW5nIGJldHdlZW4gbW91 bnRpbmcgaG9sZXMgYW5kIHRoZXkncmUgYm90aCBvbiB0aGUgc2FtZSBzaWRlIHJlbGF0aXZlIHRv IHRoZSBpbnB1dCAmIG91dHB1dCBwb3J0cy4NCiANCiANCkJvYiAjNDAxMDUNCg0KCS0tLS0tT3Jp Z2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tIA0KCUZyb206IG93bmVyLXJ2MTAtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbSBvbiBiZWhhbGYgb2YgVGltIE9sc29uIA0KCVNlbnQ6IEZyaSAwNC8wOC8yMDA1IDA3 OjQ3IFBNIA0KCVRvOiBydjEwLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSANCglDYzogDQoJU3ViamVjdDog 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Larry linn walters wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: linn walters > > Now that's downright pretty!!! But it puts the yeller bullseye right > on the cockpit!! > > HOWEVER, if we want to keep Matt on our side, if it's not RV-10 (or > whatever) related or worth saving for later, please add the 'do not > archive' statement to your emails. Pictures will surely fill up the > server rapidly. > No, I'm not the list cop .... it's just a suggestion. > Linn ..... it's already there, above .... and it does work! > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:59 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: QB fuselage --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" Just finishing the inventory of the QB fuselage, finish kit and FF kit. Van's does a good job to ensure everything is there. For others who worked the QB fuselage: Is there a specific section of the plans that are complete and specific sections left undone or did you just drill out the temporary rivets and start checking from the beginning of the slow build plans? Or are there specific QB plans? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer > Ok, let's give it a try. First picture is of a FloScan 231 - you can see > how the mounting holes are diagonally opposed relative to the input & > output ports. Second picture is the EI FT-60 which has a larger spacing > between mounting holes and they're both on the same side relative to the > input & output ports. > > > Bob #40105 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson > Sent: Fri 04/08/2005 07:47 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Hey Bob, > > Just FYI, Matt Dralle actually did a change to the list when we hopped > over here. You can now attach an image if you want. Try sending a > .jpg to the list....I think it will go. > > Tim > > > Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > > Randy, > > > > Not sure when they changed - maybe when they went from the ACS-2002 to > > AF-2500? I just looked at my transducer and it's an Electronics > > Internation FT-60 (Red Cube). Instead of having the mounting holes on > > diagonal corners, it has them on a single side spaced 1 3/8" center to > > center which is a little further apart than the Van's supplied bracket > > holes. I just checked on the AFS website and they show this unit in the > > latest manual on page 40: > > > http://advanced-control-systems.com/MonitorSupport/AF-2500%20System%20Manual%20V3.0.pdf > > > > I snapped a picture of it but the list will strips off attachments. > > > > Bob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Randy > > DeBauw > > Sent: Fri 04/08/2005 03:46 PM > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Cc: > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer > > > > > > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > > > Mine fit fine Bob. I put it in 9 months ago. When did they > > change? Randy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Condrey, > > Bob > > (US SSA) > > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:19 PM > > To: RV10-List@matronics.com > > Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Flow Transducer > > > > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" > > > > > > Heads up - I ordered the fuel flow transducer for an AF-2500 > > (formerly ACS-2002) and the sensor that they provided was different than > > the bracket supplied in the kit was designed to take. Very easy to fix > > before riveting the various fuselage ribs, skins, etc. in place. > > Unfortunately, difficult to change the bracket when you get to the > > chapter on plumbing the fuel system. Problem is simply that the holes > > aren't spaced or aligned the same. I'll post info on the unit supplied > > later today or over the weekend. > > > > > > > Bob #40105 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:26 PM PST US From: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net> Subject: RV10-List: Gascolator Anybody considering installing ( or not ) a gascolator? I'm not sure if it was part of the FWF kit but I asked them to leave it out since I have an Andair. The FWF plans do not show installation of one nor is it mentioned in the fuel section of the FWF manual. The tech guy I talked to at Vans didn't know if their IO-540 10 had one or if it was even needed for that engine. Ideas or thoughts appreciated. Mark C. (40016)