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1. 01:20 PM - Re: air compressor (Dj Merrill)
2. 01:39 PM - Re: air compressor (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
3. 01:56 PM - Solidworks Licensees? (John W. Cox)
4. 02:05 PM - Re: air compressor (James Ochs)
5. 02:30 PM - Re: air compressor (Mani Ravee)
6. 03:09 PM - Re: Solidworks Licensees? (Byron Gillespie)
7. 03:20 PM - Re: air compressor (Tim Olson)
8. 03:43 PM - Re: air compressor (Droopy Erickson)
9. 04:05 PM - Re: Solidworks Licensees? (Rene Felker)
10. 04:49 PM - Re: Solidworks Licensees? (John W. Cox)
11. 08:07 PM - Re: Solidworks Licensees? (Robert Dorsey)
12. 09:13 PM - Work tables (Paul Folbrecht)
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| Subject: | Re: air compressor |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> If it's a cast-iron cylinder, it's probably an ok compressor for
> a project. Just don't get an oil free model...nothing but problems.
> It definitely will run much more often than one with
> more CFM, and run longer when it runs, but if you're power limited,
> then it's probably just fine. You wouldn't want to go smaller
> one though, so this would be a good compromise. It's probably
> the same basic tank as what's on mine, but with less CFM.
>
> Tim
Hi Tim,
I called them to talk about it.
It is cast iron, but unfortunately is oilless.
It runs about 89dBa, and the oiled units they
have run about 83dBa.
Unfortunately they cost twice as much.
The next nearest unit I can find is the
VS6231 at $409. It has slightly less
SCFM (5.6 versus the 6.1 at 90 for the oiless unit).
I can get the oilless unit mentioned earlier for $160.
Is 6dBa worth $249? I don't really have any feel
for what difference 6dBa makes. I'm basically just looking for
a unit for this project, and don't really care of it lasts
a lifetime, just the next few years of airplane building...
Does 20 gallon versus 28 gallon make much of
a difference? Wow, I really know next to nothing about
air compressors... :-)
VS6231: 120v 147lbs 83dBa
Single stage, single cylinder, 2 Running HP, cast iron portable
20-gallon tank
Model: VS6231
Cast Iron single cylinder single stage pump - for durability and long
life
20 gallon horizontal ASME code tank - the most popular portable tank
size today
Unit made in the US - 2 year warranty - quality construction backed by
an extended warranty
Quieter operation than direct drive compressors - less noise means you
can work closer to the unit
Warranty: 2 Years
Approx. Retail-New Unit: $450.00
The VS6231, 2 Running HP Oil-Lubricated, Belt-Drive compressor has a
cast iron, single cylinder pump for extreme durability. The 20 Gallon
horizontal tank delivers 6.4/5.6 SCFM @ 40/90 PSI and the low RPM pump
promotes long life and quiet operation. The VS6231 has a maximum
pressure of 125 PSI.
-Dj
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Dj Merrill
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I just upgraded from the VT6315 26 gal, 5 HP oiled to the 60 gallon, 7HP version.
Big difference is only really apparent with the drill and die grinders though.
The VT6315 can be configured for either 120 or 240 volts - it's a LOT nicer
when running on 240. I've still got it in my garage (only 1.5 years old)
and would love to give a fellow RV-10 builder a deal if we could figure out the
shipping. For somebody willing to wait a couple months, I could also bring
it to OSH with me. If anybody's interested I'll let it go for $200 which is about
50% of what I paid for it. Contact me offline if interested.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> If it's a cast-iron cylinder, it's probably an ok compressor for
> a project. Just don't get an oil free model...nothing but problems.
> It definitely will run much more often than one with
> more CFM, and run longer when it runs, but if you're power limited,
> then it's probably just fine. You wouldn't want to go smaller
> one though, so this would be a good compromise. It's probably
> the same basic tank as what's on mine, but with less CFM.
>
> Tim
Hi Tim,
I called them to talk about it.
It is cast iron, but unfortunately is oilless.
It runs about 89dBa, and the oiled units they
have run about 83dBa.
Unfortunately they cost twice as much.
The next nearest unit I can find is the
VS6231 at $409. It has slightly less
SCFM (5.6 versus the 6.1 at 90 for the oiless unit).
I can get the oilless unit mentioned earlier for $160.
Is 6dBa worth $249? I don't really have any feel
for what difference 6dBa makes. I'm basically just looking for
a unit for this project, and don't really care of it lasts
a lifetime, just the next few years of airplane building...
Does 20 gallon versus 28 gallon make much of
a difference? Wow, I really know next to nothing about
air compressors... :-)
VS6231: 120v 147lbs 83dBa
Single stage, single cylinder, 2 Running HP, cast iron portable
20-gallon tank
Model: VS6231
Cast Iron single cylinder single stage pump - for durability and long
life
20 gallon horizontal ASME code tank - the most popular portable tank
size today
Unit made in the US - 2 year warranty - quality construction backed by
an extended warranty
Quieter operation than direct drive compressors - less noise means you
can work closer to the unit
Warranty: 2 Years
Approx. Retail-New Unit: $450.00
The VS6231, 2 Running HP Oil-Lubricated, Belt-Drive compressor has a
cast iron, single cylinder pump for extreme durability. The 20 Gallon
horizontal tank delivers 6.4/5.6 SCFM @ 40/90 PSI and the low RPM pump
promotes long life and quiet operation. The VS6231 has a maximum
pressure of 125 PSI.
-Dj
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deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Solidworks Licensees? |
Is anyone a software licensee for Solidworks on the RV-10 group. Or more
important, does anyone have knowledge of its effectiveness. I have a
question.
John W. Cox
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| Subject: | Re: air compressor |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Just as a comparison / brief review, I got the sears 33 gallon 6HP 150
psi, 6.4SCFM@90 psi horiziontal tank model for $299... it came with some
air tools (impact wrench, socket wrench, and air hammer -- this is NOT a
rivet gun ;) It is oil-free and I have to say, pretty durn loud when it
is running in the shop. It seems ok from outside as far as waking up
the neighbors is concerned but I generally put on some ear protection
while I am using it. I have no idea what the actual dBa is, however I
think that from a purely subjective view (my ears) that it isn't any
more unpleasant on the ears than the rivet gun, air drill, and shop vac.
That said, as far as capacity is concerned the tank will run the 3x
rivet gun for about 40 rivets before it kicks on, you can drill for
maybe a couple of minutes and the blower attachment at 120 psi will have
it running in about 45 seconds to a minute. The compressor kicks on
when the tank drops below about 120psi and takes maybe 90 seconds to
fill back up if you aren't using air while it is filling. The end
result is that the compressor was actually running (excluding initial
fill-up) for significantly less than 10% of the time that I was building
the practice kit. (as a side note the manual says the duty cycle is 50%
for this compressor)
I haven't ordered the real kit yet, so I don't know how well that
translates to what you would see building the -10, and I don't have any
idea what the performance would be like using a spray gun.
I think that without spending the big dollars on a truly "quiet"
compressor the best thing one can do to reduce the amount of noise is to
get the biggest tank you can find and reduce the amount of time that the
compressor kicks on (of course it will take a bit longer to fill
initially;) The other factor, as I understand it, is that the oil-free
compressors don't last as long as the oiled ones when they are properly
maintained. The other really big noise event with this compressor (and
probably all of them) is that the drain opening is about 3/16 ths across
so when you drain the tank it definately is painful to the ears if you
don't have hearing protection on. I did see at the home depot a 60
gallon compressor with a tool set for $399 at one point but it was too
big for the shop and I'd never heard of the brand ;)
HTH,
James
Dj Merrill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> If it's a cast-iron cylinder, it's probably an ok compressor for
>> a project. Just don't get an oil free model...nothing but problems.
>> It definitely will run much more often than one with
>> more CFM, and run longer when it runs, but if you're power limited,
>> then it's probably just fine. You wouldn't want to go smaller
>> one though, so this would be a good compromise. It's probably
>> the same basic tank as what's on mine, but with less CFM.
>>
>> Tim
>
>
> Hi Tim,
> I called them to talk about it.
> It is cast iron, but unfortunately is oilless.
> It runs about 89dBa, and the oiled units they
> have run about 83dBa.
> Unfortunately they cost twice as much.
> The next nearest unit I can find is the
> VS6231 at $409. It has slightly less
> SCFM (5.6 versus the 6.1 at 90 for the oiless unit).
> I can get the oilless unit mentioned earlier for $160.
>
> Is 6dBa worth $249? I don't really have any feel
> for what difference 6dBa makes. I'm basically just looking for
> a unit for this project, and don't really care of it lasts
> a lifetime, just the next few years of airplane building...
>
> Does 20 gallon versus 28 gallon make much of
> a difference? Wow, I really know next to nothing about
> air compressors... :-)
>
> VS6231: 120v 147lbs 83dBa
> Single stage, single cylinder, 2 Running HP, cast iron portable
> 20-gallon tank
> Model: VS6231
>
> Cast Iron single cylinder single stage pump - for durability and
> long life
> 20 gallon horizontal ASME code tank - the most popular portable
> tank size today
> Unit made in the US - 2 year warranty - quality construction
> backed by an extended warranty
> Quieter operation than direct drive compressors - less noise
> means you can work closer to the unit
>
> Warranty: 2 Years
> Approx. Retail-New Unit: $450.00
>
> The VS6231, 2 Running HP Oil-Lubricated, Belt-Drive compressor has a
> cast iron, single cylinder pump for extreme durability. The 20 Gallon
> horizontal tank delivers 6.4/5.6 SCFM @ 40/90 PSI and the low RPM pump
> promotes long life and quiet operation. The VS6231 has a maximum
> pressure of 125 PSI.
>
> -Dj
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
Well, I ought to put in my two cents here. I have a compressor from Sears
that I bought 13 yrs ago - oil free with a 25 gal tank I think. It does 6.8
CFM at 90. Well, over the years it has taken quite a beating. In one of our
old homes I did the entire house's hardwood floors with a pneumatic nailer.
I have painted whole cars with it. I am still using it. Is it loud? I don't
know anymore because I hardly notice it. It has always been with me. I
think, like a good ole dog it will be.
My advice: get what you can and go along. CFM is most important than the
single stage or whatever. Mine has lasted more than my expectations and will
finish this project also.
Mani
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Just as a comparison / brief review, I got the sears 33 gallon 6HP 150
psi, 6.4SCFM@90 psi horiziontal tank model for $299... it came with some
air tools (impact wrench, socket wrench, and air hammer -- this is NOT a
rivet gun ;) It is oil-free and I have to say, pretty durn loud when it
is running in the shop. It seems ok from outside as far as waking up
the neighbors is concerned but I generally put on some ear protection
while I am using it. I have no idea what the actual dBa is, however I
think that from a purely subjective view (my ears) that it isn't any
more unpleasant on the ears than the rivet gun, air drill, and shop vac.
That said, as far as capacity is concerned the tank will run the 3x
rivet gun for about 40 rivets before it kicks on, you can drill for
maybe a couple of minutes and the blower attachment at 120 psi will have
it running in about 45 seconds to a minute. The compressor kicks on
when the tank drops below about 120psi and takes maybe 90 seconds to
fill back up if you aren't using air while it is filling. The end
result is that the compressor was actually running (excluding initial
fill-up) for significantly less than 10% of the time that I was building
the practice kit. (as a side note the manual says the duty cycle is 50%
for this compressor)
I haven't ordered the real kit yet, so I don't know how well that
translates to what you would see building the -10, and I don't have any
idea what the performance would be like using a spray gun.
I think that without spending the big dollars on a truly "quiet"
compressor the best thing one can do to reduce the amount of noise is to
get the biggest tank you can find and reduce the amount of time that the
compressor kicks on (of course it will take a bit longer to fill
initially;) The other factor, as I understand it, is that the oil-free
compressors don't last as long as the oiled ones when they are properly
maintained. The other really big noise event with this compressor (and
probably all of them) is that the drain opening is about 3/16 ths across
so when you drain the tank it definately is painful to the ears if you
don't have hearing protection on. I did see at the home depot a 60
gallon compressor with a tool set for $399 at one point but it was too
big for the shop and I'd never heard of the brand ;)
HTH,
James
Dj Merrill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> If it's a cast-iron cylinder, it's probably an ok compressor for
>> a project. Just don't get an oil free model...nothing but problems.
>> It definitely will run much more often than one with
>> more CFM, and run longer when it runs, but if you're power limited,
>> then it's probably just fine. You wouldn't want to go smaller
>> one though, so this would be a good compromise. It's probably
>> the same basic tank as what's on mine, but with less CFM.
>>
>> Tim
>
>
> Hi Tim,
> I called them to talk about it.
> It is cast iron, but unfortunately is oilless.
> It runs about 89dBa, and the oiled units they
> have run about 83dBa.
> Unfortunately they cost twice as much.
> The next nearest unit I can find is the
> VS6231 at $409. It has slightly less
> SCFM (5.6 versus the 6.1 at 90 for the oiless unit).
> I can get the oilless unit mentioned earlier for $160.
>
> Is 6dBa worth $249? I don't really have any feel
> for what difference 6dBa makes. I'm basically just looking for
> a unit for this project, and don't really care of it lasts
> a lifetime, just the next few years of airplane building...
>
> Does 20 gallon versus 28 gallon make much of
> a difference? Wow, I really know next to nothing about
> air compressors... :-)
>
> VS6231: 120v 147lbs 83dBa
> Single stage, single cylinder, 2 Running HP, cast iron portable
> 20-gallon tank
> Model: VS6231
>
> Cast Iron single cylinder single stage pump - for durability and
> long life
> 20 gallon horizontal ASME code tank - the most popular portable
> tank size today
> Unit made in the US - 2 year warranty - quality construction
> backed by an extended warranty
> Quieter operation than direct drive compressors - less noise
> means you can work closer to the unit
>
> Warranty: 2 Years
> Approx. Retail-New Unit: $450.00
>
> The VS6231, 2 Running HP Oil-Lubricated, Belt-Drive compressor has a
> cast iron, single cylinder pump for extreme durability. The 20 Gallon
> horizontal tank delivers 6.4/5.6 SCFM @ 40/90 PSI and the low RPM pump
> promotes long life and quiet operation. The VS6231 has a maximum
> pressure of 125 PSI.
>
> -Dj
>
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| Subject: | Solidworks Licensees? |
Hi John:
As one of my duties in our engineering department I reviewed several
software packages 5-6 years ago. Solidworks was the one I settled on! I
don't use it regularly but my engineers do on a daily basis - we are on
an annual subscription service. The program is very robust and out
performs similar programs costing 4X . I have been pleased!
I monitor the groups but don't post a lot but felt I may be able to help
out a little here. Let me know if there are any specific questions and I
will see what I can find out.
Byron Gillespie
QB wings on order - starting on fuselage kit
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
Is anyone a software licensee for Solidworks on the RV-10 group. Or
more important, does anyone have knowledge of its effectiveness. I
have a question.
John W. Cox
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| Subject: | Re: air compressor |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi again Dj,
I know, shopping for these cool toys can be quite the mental drain
sometimes... I have also read the other posts from today that you
got in reply. All I can say is, yeah, I know that not everybody's
oil-free compressor blows up on them, but you're WAY less likely
to have problems with an oiled unit. And, pretty much every oil
lubed unit will be quieter than oil-free. Cast iron cylinders
is quieter, but really, I personally wouldn't worry quite as
much about the brand OR the size as the quality. If you get
a larger 5+ cfm unit, you'll be able to build your plane just
fine. I have a good friend who is an RV-4 builder. He had/has
a craftsman oil-free. His compressor is so obnoxiously loud that
he actually doesn't build during some evenings because of kids
sleeping and things like that. Then, to cap it off, his oil free
compressor went out on him. I happened to have a "spare" small,
very old, approximately 5cfm, 20 or so gallon compressor that I
loaned him for maybe 6 months or more. He fell in love with it,
and recently bought a nice compressor....just leaving his
oil-free to lay dead. You're spending a small fortune on the
plane, and the tools. I'd say, buy one that will last. The oil
free one may last 6 months, 6 years, or 16 years, but, it will
be louder for that whole time.
Do yourself a favor....go to http://groups.google.com and read
about 25 or 50 threads where you search for:
oilless, compressor, loud or oil-free compressor, loud.
If you read a bunch of threads, you'll be researching and
reading many peoples advice. You'll notice a trend. You'll
see a lot of stuff that will help form an informed opinion.
In the end, look at what you REALLY want, and just find any
brand/make/model that fits your description. I myself
wanted a 60 gallon 10CFM 220V unit...but I didn't want to
lose the space, so I got the same compressor with a smaller
tank. It's been great for me, since it runs maybe more often
than the 60 gallon, but it fills up in just seconds. The smaller
compressor pump you get, the more you get to listen to it. The
smaller tank you get, the more OFTEN you get to listen to it.
But, like I said, you can probably get ANY 5+ cfm compressor
and do your kit just fine. I'd even look in the local classifieds
if I were you. Too bad we're not neighbors...I'd loan you my
old one for a while.
Tim
Dj Merrill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> If it's a cast-iron cylinder, it's probably an ok compressor for
>> a project. Just don't get an oil free model...nothing but problems.
>> It definitely will run much more often than one with
>> more CFM, and run longer when it runs, but if you're power limited,
>> then it's probably just fine. You wouldn't want to go smaller
>> one though, so this would be a good compromise. It's probably
>> the same basic tank as what's on mine, but with less CFM.
>>
>> Tim
>
>
> Hi Tim,
> I called them to talk about it.
> It is cast iron, but unfortunately is oilless.
> It runs about 89dBa, and the oiled units they
> have run about 83dBa.
> Unfortunately they cost twice as much.
> The next nearest unit I can find is the
> VS6231 at $409. It has slightly less
> SCFM (5.6 versus the 6.1 at 90 for the oiless unit).
> I can get the oilless unit mentioned earlier for $160.
>
> Is 6dBa worth $249? I don't really have any feel
> for what difference 6dBa makes. I'm basically just looking for
> a unit for this project, and don't really care of it lasts
> a lifetime, just the next few years of airplane building...
>
> Does 20 gallon versus 28 gallon make much of
> a difference? Wow, I really know next to nothing about
> air compressors... :-)
>
> VS6231: 120v 147lbs 83dBa
> Single stage, single cylinder, 2 Running HP, cast iron portable
> 20-gallon tank
> Model: VS6231
>
> Cast Iron single cylinder single stage pump - for durability and
> long life
> 20 gallon horizontal ASME code tank - the most popular portable
> tank size today
> Unit made in the US - 2 year warranty - quality construction backed
> by an extended warranty
> Quieter operation than direct drive compressors - less noise means
> you can work closer to the unit
>
> Warranty: 2 Years
> Approx. Retail-New Unit: $450.00
>
> The VS6231, 2 Running HP Oil-Lubricated, Belt-Drive compressor has a
> cast iron, single cylinder pump for extreme durability. The 20 Gallon
> horizontal tank delivers 6.4/5.6 SCFM @ 40/90 PSI and the low RPM pump
> promotes long life and quiet operation. The VS6231 has a maximum
> pressure of 125 PSI.
>
> -Dj
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Droopy Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
I have a oil-less compressor I bought at Sam's Club. Don't remember the
specifics, but it's about 30 gallons, about 6 - 8 cfm at 90 psi, upright
tank.
PROs: Cheap, no maintenance except draining the tank, more than enough
cfm to prime and intermittently use cheap Harbor Freight die grinder.
CONs: LLOOUUDD!! It is REALLY LOUD!!
However, look at Dan Checkoway's website and look at his compressor
muffler. I did something very similar. I built a plywood box w/ floor
around the compressor. Removable top, but I haven't had a need to open
it in a long time. Sliding access panel at the bottom to access the
drain spigot. I put an inside/outside temp guage in it (inside is shop
temp, outside is in the compressor box). Worked great, but got REALLY
hot quickly inside. So I bought a bathroom ceiling fan at Lowes,
installed it along with two switches on the front of the box (one for
the compressor and on for the fan.) and wired a couple switched outlets
inside the box. With fan on, it takes about 10 - 15 minutes of continous
compressor use (ie die grinder) for the temp in the box to get over 100F
(my off the cuff limit for "it's getting too hot...") I also used a
couple sheets of 2in thick garage door insulation foam lining the
insides of the box for noise suppression. You can easily carry on a
conversation with the compressor going. More work than buying an
oilless, but more fun building and cheaper. (another doodad for the
panel...) As always, YMMV...
John
#40208 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: air compressor
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> If it's a cast-iron cylinder, it's probably an ok compressor for a
> project. Just don't get an oil free model...nothing but problems.
> It definitely will run much more often than one with more CFM, and run
> longer when it runs, but if you're power limited, then it's probably
> just fine. You wouldn't want to go smaller one though, so this would
> be a good compromise. It's probably the same basic tank as what's on
> mine, but with less CFM.
>
> Tim
Hi Tim,
I called them to talk about it.
It is cast iron, but unfortunately is oilless.
It runs about 89dBa, and the oiled units they have run about 83dBa.
Unfortunately they cost twice as much.
The next nearest unit I can find is the
VS6231 at $409. It has slightly less
SCFM (5.6 versus the 6.1 at 90 for the oiless unit).
I can get the oilless unit mentioned earlier for $160.
Is 6dBa worth $249? I don't really have any feel for what
difference 6dBa makes. I'm basically just looking for a unit for this
project, and don't really care of it lasts a lifetime, just the next few
years of airplane building...
Does 20 gallon versus 28 gallon make much of a difference? Wow,
I really know next to nothing about air compressors... :-)
VS6231: 120v 147lbs 83dBa
Single stage, single cylinder, 2 Running HP, cast iron portable
20-gallon tank
Model: VS6231
Cast Iron single cylinder single stage pump - for durability
and long life
20 gallon horizontal ASME code tank - the most popular portable
tank size today
Unit made in the US - 2 year warranty - quality construction
backed by an extended warranty
Quieter operation than direct drive compressors - less noise
means you can work closer to the unit
Warranty: 2 Years
Approx. Retail-New Unit: $450.00
The VS6231, 2 Running HP Oil-Lubricated, Belt-Drive compressor has a
cast iron, single cylinder pump for extreme durability. The 20 Gallon
horizontal tank delivers 6.4/5.6 SCFM @ 40/90 PSI and the low RPM pump
promotes long life and quiet operation. The VS6231 has a maximum
pressure of 125 PSI.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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We use solidworks here, I don't know how to use it myself....I am impressed
with what the ME can do with it. If you have a specific question I could
get it ansered
Rene'
40322
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
Is anyone a software licensee for Solidworks on the RV-10 group. Or more
important, does anyone have knowledge of its effectiveness. I have a
question.
John W. Cox
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Chuck Harrison of Composites Unlimited, strongly suggested I get involved
with Solidworks. We are doing a hybrid project together of a reduced drag
composite cowl for an M14P radial on yet another aircraft.... Not an RV-10
nor Kimball's Pitts. Chuck mentioned that CU did some initial work for VANS
on the setup of the new composite pieces. Seems that at our EAA Chapter 105
meeting last month, VAN mentioned that Ken Krueger would be designing their
new Light Sport project entirely on the computer. Knowing the heartburn
that came with the RV-10 doors and composite shell, coupled with the desire
by a few stalwart Experimental builders (hiding in the weeds) to insert
Continental six bangers in their 10s, I started knocking grey matter.
Seems VANS was impressed enough to buy licenses as well as send Ken and his
crew to Solidworks training for the software. They are finishing up this
week. The question for your engineers is "Does Solidworks have library
files on the M14P Radial, Eggenfellner Subaru, Crossflow Aero, Deltahawk
Diesel, Thielert turbo diesel, Continental 6 jug or Allison Turbine?". The
sky could be the limit if your answer is YES. It beats Autocad Inventor all
over the desktop for designing Firewall Forward and resolving temperature,
stress, serviceability and functional design.
Chuck runs the data files through Solidworks to a 5 axis CNC which can knock
out a prototype positive in short order. The mold comes as the next step.
They have done the Viperjet, Maverick TJ1200, CADCOR Chanute, Giles G202,
CAP 222 and Legend prototypes. A tour of the facility opened my eyes while
finishing A & P school a while back that our only limitation is passion,
time and of course $$. And just think, tomorrow begins SNF. My ear is to
the ground.
Is anyone else interested?
John
"Pushing the envelope till I see or feel the bruises"
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Byron Gillespie
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
Hi John:
As one of my duties in our engineering department I reviewed several
software packages 5-6 years ago. Solidworks was the one I settled on! I
don't use it regularly but my engineers do on a daily basis - we are on an
annual subscription service. The program is very robust and out performs
similar programs costing 4X . I have been pleased!
I monitor the groups but don't post a lot but felt I may be able to help out
a little here. Let me know if there are any specific questions and I will
see what I can find out.
Byron Gillespie
QB wings on order - starting on fuselage kit
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
Is anyone a software licensee for Solidworks on the RV-10 group. Or more
important, does anyone have knowledge of its effectiveness. I have a
question.
John W. Cox
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ia.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Robert Dorsey <lnc2bldr@earthlink.net>
I use Solidworks 2003 on occasion. You won't find any Solidworks supplied
drawings for engines and most manufacturers are not using Solidworks for
their CAD stuff. I'd be curious to see what they would charge you for a CAD
drawing if they would even sell it. I work for a large turbine engine
manufacturer that is very protective of all engineering documents.
You can buy add-on packages for basic components to help speed up the
design process.
As far as the bundled FEA stress analysis tool (Cosmos), it is very basic
and won't handle any thermal transfer / flow (at least the 2003 version).
Good for designing brackets and comparing stress riser's of different
materials. You could import your drawings into Nastran , ANSYS, Fluent,
etc. for heat transfer / flows and more precise stress analysis computation.
Most guys I talk to like Pro/E better than Solidworks for complicated
mechanism design if that's where you are headed.
Bob
At 04:40 PM 4/12/05, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>Chuck Harrison of Composites Unlimited, strongly suggested I get involved
>with Solidworks. We are doing a hybrid project together of a reduced drag
>composite cowl for an M14P radial on yet another aircraft.... Not an RV-10
>nor Kimball's Pitts. Chuck mentioned that CU did some initial work for VANS
>on the setup of the new composite pieces. Seems that at our EAA Chapter 105
>meeting last month, VAN mentioned that Ken Krueger would be designing their
>new Light Sport project entirely on the computer. Knowing the heartburn
>that came with the RV-10 doors and composite shell, coupled with the desire
>by a few stalwart Experimental builders (hiding in the weeds) to insert
>Continental six bangers in their 10s, I started knocking grey matter.
>
>Seems VANS was impressed enough to buy licenses as well as send Ken and his
>crew to Solidworks training for the software. They are finishing up this
>week. The question for your engineers is "Does Solidworks have library
>files on the M14P Radial, Eggenfellner Subaru, Crossflow Aero, Deltahawk
>Diesel, Thielert turbo diesel, Continental 6 jug or Allison Turbine?". The
>sky could be the limit if your answer is YES. It beats Autocad Inventor all
>over the desktop for designing Firewall Forward and resolving temperature,
>stress, serviceability and functional design.
>
>Chuck runs the data files through Solidworks to a 5 axis CNC which can knock
>out a prototype positive in short order. The mold comes as the next step.
>They have done the Viperjet, Maverick TJ1200, CADCOR Chanute, Giles G202,
>CAP 222 and Legend prototypes. A tour of the facility opened my eyes while
>finishing A & P school a while back that our only limitation is passion,
>time and of course $$. And just think, tomorrow begins SNF. My ear is to
>the ground.
>
>Is anyone else interested?
>
>John
>"Pushing the envelope till I see or feel the bruises"
>________________________________________
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Byron Gillespie
>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:08 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
>
>Hi John:
>
>As one of my duties in our engineering department I reviewed several
>software packages 5-6 years ago. Solidworks was the one I settled on! I
>don't use it regularly but my engineers do on a daily basis - we are on an
>annual subscription service. The program is very robust and out performs
>similar programs costing 4X . I have been pleased!
>
>I monitor the groups but don't post a lot but felt I may be able to help out
>a little here. Let me know if there are any specific questions and I will
>see what I can find out.
>
>Byron Gillespie
>QB wings on order - starting on fuselage kit
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:48 PM
>To: ' (rv10-list@matronics.com)'
>Subject: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
>
>Is anyone a software licensee for Solidworks on the RV-10 group. Or more
>important, does anyone have knowledge of its effectiveness. I have a
>question.
>
>
>John W. Cox
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
What are people doing for work tables? The EAA Ch 1000 tables seem
likely too small to me for the -10 at 5'. (I know putting them
together is a solution but is that ideal?)
Though I won't be starting on the kit till the house is complete in
(now likely) June, building tables is something I can possibly do ahead
of time and move them later.
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