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1. 12:19 AM - Re: Solidworks Licensees? (Greg Young)
2. 01:42 AM - Re: Work tables (Tim Olson)
3. 01:46 AM - MT Propeller proposed AD (Tim Olson)
4. 04:30 AM - Re: Work tables (Mani Ravee)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Work tables (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
6. 06:58 AM - Re: Work tables (John Jessen)
7. 07:07 AM - Re: Work tables (Rick)
8. 07:35 AM - Re: Solidworks Licensees? (John W. Cox)
9. 08:06 AM - Re: Work tables (John Hasbrouck)
10. 08:58 AM - Re: Work Tables (Phil White)
11. 09:28 AM - drill speed? (Dj Merrill)
12. 10:27 AM - Re: drill speed? (N55XS)
13. 10:27 AM - Re: drill speed? (Dj Merrill)
14. 11:22 AM - Re: Solidworks Licensees? (Greg Young)
15. 11:59 AM - Work tables (Jay Brinkmeyer)
16. 12:30 PM - Re: Work tables (Rene Felker)
17. 01:28 PM - Re: air compressor (Dj Merrill)
18. 03:21 PM - Re: Solidworks Licensees? (Byron Gillespie)
19. 09:35 PM - Re: Work tables (Paul Folbrecht)
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| Subject: | Solidworks Licensees? |
I've got a Solidworks license. I'm using it to design my next project.
I'm certainly no expert with it since I only use it intermittently
between other projects but it's interface is tolerant of that. It will
seemingly do almost anything you could ask. What type of effectiveness
are you trying to guage?
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:48 PM
To: ' (rv10-list@matronics.com)'
Subject: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
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Is anyone a software licensee for Solidworks on the RV-10 group.
Or more important, does anyone have knowledge of its effectiveness. I
have a question.
John W. Cox
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Paul,
Bad timing, as I'm heading out the door to SNF in 23 minutes, but
here's a quick answer.....
I re-engineered the EAA CH 1000 tables for myself. I worked out
the sizes to come up with as little waste as I could, and designed
them so that I'd have something like an 8' and a 4', and then I
even made a similar almost 4' one later on with some scrap. I
think I may even have a building supplies list. I didn't keep
really any of the dimensions the same, but came up with a plan that
gave little waste, and the 2 main benches are the same height exactly
so it makes one nice long bench most of the time. If you can remind
me next week, I'll dig for the plans if you wish. I may even have
a link to them on my site in one of the earliest pages.
Tim
do not archive
Paul Folbrecht wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
> <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
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> What are people doing for work tables? The EAA Ch 1000 tables seem
> likely too small to me for the -10 at 5'. (I know putting them together
> is a solution but is that ideal?)
>
> Though I won't be starting on the kit till the house is complete in (now
> likely) June, building tables is something I can possibly do ahead of
> time and move them later.
>
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| Subject: | MT Propeller proposed AD |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Caught this on the regular generic RV-List....anyone else notice this?
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgADNPRM.nsf/0/9D764C3BEA27ADC786256FDB005CB285?OpenDocument
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
Paul, I built these. A 3x8 and another 3x5. I think for now I am OK.
http://www.eaa72.org/tech/Table/Table.htm
I will send these to Matt. Maybe he can put it in the pics section so others
can find it easily.
Mani
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht
Subject: RV10-List: Work tables
--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
What are people doing for work tables? The EAA Ch 1000 tables seem
likely too small to me for the -10 at 5'. (I know putting them
together is a solution but is that ideal?)
Though I won't be starting on the kit till the house is complete in
(now likely) June, building tables is something I can possibly do ahead
of time and move them later.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I started out thinking that a person really needed something more than 3x8' so
I built a 12x3' along a wall before starting the emp kit. It became clear when
working on the wings that a 3x8 with access to all sides was better. I'm now
moving the fuselage off that table and on to something low profile with castering
wheels to have better access to the interior. Bottom line: 3x8' is fine
for building any of the kit sections. It is very helpful to have another table/bench
to put plans/tools/supplies on.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht
Subject: RV10-List: Work tables
--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
What are people doing for work tables? The EAA Ch 1000 tables seem
likely too small to me for the -10 at 5'. (I know putting them
together is a solution but is that ideal?)
Though I won't be starting on the kit till the house is complete in
(now likely) June, building tables is something I can possibly do ahead
of time and move them later.
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-0.33 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts
I just built 2 of the EAA-1000 2x5 tables. I think you are right, that they
are too small, but unless you are willing to buy 2 sheets of plywood, that's
the size you'll build. I modified the plans slightly to give a lip on each
end for easier clamping. I think they will be fine for much of the work,
but I am also building a 3x8, which goes up against the hanger wall under a
4x8 pegboard. If you're going to build a couple of small tables and don't
mind the extra sheet of plywood, I would definitely build bigger, if you
have the room. Maybe 3x6.
John Jessen
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Paul,
I have three of the EAA 1000 tables, one strictly for power tools. All of them
are on wheels. I am almost doen with the wings and they have worked fine, I didn't
feel like re-engineering the wheel so I used them. I'm building in a standard
20 x 20 garage and wheel the tables around as needed. So far so good and
I have been able to keep one car in the garage (overnight) since I started, but
then I'm insanely organized some say to a fault ;). Of course that will change
when the fuse gets here. I also used Tim Olson wing stand which has helped
to keep the wings stored and it is also on wheels to move out of the way if needed.
Rick S.
4015
Wings
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| Subject: | Solidworks Licensees? |
I am trying to design a modified composite cowl, design an improved engine
mount and not cook the composite on the exhaust stacks. Was wondering if
there is a source for engine dimensions to tackle the weight and arm issues
of a redesign? I know nothing of the library of existing files. Greg Cole
lives nearby for the aeronautical input.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
I've got a Solidworks license. I'm using it to design my next project. I'm
certainly no expert with it since I only use it intermittently between other
projects but it's interface is tolerant of that. It will seemingly do almost
anything you could ask. What type of effectiveness are you trying to guage?
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
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cowl, design an improved engine mount and not cook the composite on the exhaust
stacks. Was wondering if there is a source for engine dimensions to
tackle the weight and arm issues of a redesign? I know nothing of the
library of existing files. Greg Cole lives nearby for the aeronautical
input.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Greg Young
12:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Solidworks
Licensees?
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<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I've got a Solidworks license. I'm using
it to design my next project. I'm certainly no expert with itsince
Ionly use it intermittently between other projects but it's interface is
tolerant of that. It will seemingly do almost anything you could ask. What type
of effectiveness are you trying to guage?
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Paul,
I built the EAA tables with a few mods. They are 2X4 feet. 1: I too
made an overhang of about 1/2 inch on two edges for clamping. 2: On the
other two edges I attached a cleat so I can add extensions ( think leaves on
a dining table ) held on with drywall screws. This way the tables can be
modified to any length or width I need. Also the main tables are small
enough to move out of my workspace and transported easily. 3: Out of 2 X 8
wood I built a frame that is dimensioned so that it can be clamped between
the tables, rests on the floor, and holds the C-frame at the correct height
above the table top for dimpling. No need to build a dimpling table. I
place a piece of kitchen carpet scrap on the tables to hold the metal
shavings and keep from scratching the skins. 3: All of these pieces have
levelers on the legs from Woodcraft to account for uneven floors and
allowing me to level the table top. Again, all this easily transportable
which for me is important.....john
John Hasbrouck
40264
Wings on order
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Phil White" <philwhite9@aol.com>
Paul: I built two of the Chap 1000 tables, but made them 6 feet long
because it used all of the sheet of plywood more efficiently. 2x6 ft
tops, 2x4 ft end cutoff used for the lower shelf, plus another left over
2x4 from the scrap pile for the other table.
Putting two 2x6's end-to-end give one the 12 feet for the horiz stab.
As I didn't build wings (fast build lazy approach), I don't know if one
needs more bench for that.
Phil #40220 (just joined emp to fuse, gotta fit 18 feet in the garage!)
>Time: 09:13:10 PM PST US
>From: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
>Subject: RV10-List: Work tables
>RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
>
What are people doing for work tables? The EAA Ch 1000 tables seem
likely too small to me for the -10 at 5'. (I know putting them
together is a solution but is that ideal?)
Though I won't be starting on the kit till the house is complete in
(now likely) June, building tables is something I can possibly do ahead
of time and move them later.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Drill speed - 3000 rpm or 6000 rpm?
I have a choice to buy either.
I presumed faster is better, but I'm not sure,
so figured I would solicit some input... :-)
Thanks!
-Dj
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Dj Merrill
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Re: drill speed? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Dj Merrill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> Drill speed - 3000 rpm or 6000 rpm?
> I have a choice to buy either.
> I presumed faster is better, but I'm not sure,
> so figured I would solicit some input... :-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Dj
>
Actually, when drilling, slower is usually better. Less heat and
distortion...
--
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: drill speed? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Dj Merrill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> Drill speed - 3000 rpm or 6000 rpm?
> I have a choice to buy either.
> I presumed faster is better, but I'm not sure,
> so figured I would solicit some input... :-)
Just fyi, I went with the 3600 since it was smaller
and lighter (Sioux palm drill).
-Dj
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Dj Merrill
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Solidworks Licensees? |
Solidworks is great with the fits and clearances stuff and all the general design
tasks. You can slice and dice the model to see anything you want. As someone
else mentioned, getting a source of models or libraries of engines could be
a problem. My project uses an M-14P. So far I've built a crude model of it by
importing a 3-view drawing and modeling over it. It's fine for layout and CG issues
but I'll have to get more detailed when I get to the mount and cowling.
I wouldn't plan on using the built in COSMOS for the mount stress analysis. It's
a lite version that only likes single parts, not assemblies. I plan on external
stress analysis for most parts. I bought SW planning to do the entire aircraft
in it. If you have access to it it should work great for your project but
it would be an expensive solution to buy for only that.
Regards,
Greg
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
I am trying to design a modified composite cowl, design an improved engine mount
and not cook the composite on the exhaust stacks. Was wondering if there is
a source for engine dimensions to tackle the weight and arm issues of a redesign?
I know nothing of the library of existing files. Greg Cole lives nearby
for the aeronautical input.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
I've got a Solidworks license. I'm using it to design my next project. I'm certainly
no expert with it since I only use it intermittently between other projects
but it's interface is tolerant of that. It will seemingly do almost anything
you could ask. What type of effectiveness are you trying to guage?
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I built two of those tables and have found them to be very sturdy and useful.
The 5' length is better, in my opinion, because it allows one to change the
configuration as needed.
Regards,
Jay
Finishing up wings
From: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Work tables
--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
What are people doing for work tables? The EAA Ch 1000 tables seem
likely too small to me for the -10 at 5'. (I know putting them
together is a solution but is that ideal?)
Though I won't be starting on the kit till the house is complete in
(now likely) June, building tables is something I can possibly do ahead
of time and move them later.
__________________________________
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
OK, I cann't help but to chime in. I have one 4X8 table that a friend built
for me in the 80's, I also have a workbench along the wall that is 2X8 that
I have my power tools on. I also have two standard folding tables I got
from Sam's that I move around as I see fit. The most versatile thing I got
and which helps me the most when I am by myself is an adjustable stand with
a ~10" roller on top. It worked great on the tailcone assembly which I am
almost done with.
I get my wing kit this month.......so my experience is limited, but this
setup worked great for me.
Rene' Felker
40322
N423CF
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer
Subject: RV10-List: Work tables
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I built two of those tables and have found them to be very sturdy and
useful.
The 5' length is better, in my opinion, because it allows one to change the
configuration as needed.
Regards,
Jay
Finishing up wings
From: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Work tables
--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
What are people doing for work tables? The EAA Ch 1000 tables seem
likely too small to me for the -10 at 5'. (I know putting them
together is a solution but is that ideal?)
Though I won't be starting on the kit till the house is complete in
(now likely) June, building tables is something I can possibly do ahead
of time and move them later.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: air compressor |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
In case anyone is curious, I made the decision and
ordered the air compressor today from Campbell Hausfeld.
I went with the VT6315 model, also sold under the
Husky brand name at Home Depot.
Cast iron, oil lubricated, 135 PSI max,
6.6/5.8 SCFM @ 40/90, 26 gallon, upright with wheels.
They claim 82dBa, which is the quietest one that I could
find that met the minimum specs. It will also do
120 or 240 volts which is a decent option to have.
$339 for a factory refurb unit if you order from them
direct, $56 s/h, 1 yr warranty (http://www.chpower.com/).
All in all I think I did okay, and I GREATLY
appreciate all of your help in making the selection.
Plus I've gained a great education about air compressors
in the last few days... *grin*
-Dj
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Dj Merrill
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Solidworks Licensees? |
Hi John:
Looks like everyone has already chimed in with qualified responses. Like
said, I am not aware of any databases with that sort of info. Our use is
primarily for designing 3-D models for tooling build. We import a lot of
very complex aircraft data from engine builders (turbine blades and
vanes) that we in turn manufacture for the engine primes (GE, RR, Pratt,
etc..) one of our local tool shops imports the data and runs CNC
machines for the tooling build. Very good for that application. For a
FEA or heat transfer program, something like Pro-E or Unigraphics may be
a better match. We have done some 3-D solidification modeling through
our sister plant in Ohio - but the price for that type equipment is
probably 8X the actual Solidworks cost. Not a vary good payback unless
you are in the business.
Good luck investigating,
Byron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
I am trying to design a modified composite cowl, design an improved
engine mount and not cook the composite on the exhaust stacks. Was
wondering if there is a source for engine dimensions to tackle the
weight and arm issues of a redesign? I know nothing of the library of
existing files. Greg Cole lives nearby for the aeronautical input.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Solidworks Licensees?
I've got a Solidworks license. I'm using it to design my next project.
I'm certainly no expert with it since I only use it intermittently
between other projects but it's interface is tolerant of that. It will
seemingly do almost anything you could ask. What type of effectiveness
are you trying to guage?
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
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Thanks for all the replies on this. I have a bit of thinking to do but
I'm leaning towards the 5' tables now for the reason you cite below. I
like the idea of putting them on wheels and I like the mods discussed.
[We'll see if I get the time in the next month to get on this. Another
idea I'm kicking around is getting my commercial cert done now -
doesn't look like a lot of work now that I have the instrument and the
required hours and after the complex endorsement I want to do anyway.]
Wishin' I was at SnF,
~Paul
Tail & Wing (Slow) kits ordered
On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Jay Brinkmeyer wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer
> <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
>
> I built two of those tables and have found them to be very sturdy and
> useful.
> The 5' length is better, in my opinion, because it allows one to
> change the
> configuration as needed.
>
> Regards,
> Jay
> Finishing up wings
>
>
> From: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
> Subject: RV10-List: Work tables
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
> <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
>
> What are people doing for work tables? The EAA Ch 1000 tables seem
> likely too small to me for the -10 at 5'. (I know putting them
> together is a solution but is that ideal?)
>
> Though I won't be starting on the kit till the house is complete in
> (now likely) June, building tables is something I can possibly do ahead
> of time and move them later.
>
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
~Paul Folbrecht
~PP-SEL-IA
~'79 C-152 N89795
~MWC
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