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1. 08:21 AM - Rudder Wiring Exit Location (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
2. 02:19 PM - Re: MT Propeller proposed AD (lessdragprod@AOL.COM)
3. 02:51 PM - Re: Rudder Wiring Exit Location (John Hasbrouck)
4. 04:05 PM - Tail kit arriving Wednesday! (James Hein)
5. 04:48 PM - Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! (John Hasbrouck)
6. 05:06 PM - Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! (James Hein)
7. 06:31 PM - Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! (Jim Combs)
8. 06:34 PM - Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! (Robert)
9. 07:01 PM - On the bandwagon (Robert G. Wright)
10. 08:24 PM - For those sitting on the fence (Mani Ravee)
11. 09:15 PM - Re: For those sitting on the fence (Brian Denk)
12. 09:28 PM - Re: RV-List: Static System Connections (JOHN STARN)
13. 09:29 PM - Impressions after flying the RV10 (James E. Clark)
14. 10:56 PM - Re: Impressions after flying the RV10 (John Jessen)
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| Subject: | Rudder Wiring Exit Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
How are folks running to wire out to the rudder for the strobe and position lights?
The ideal location for the exit would seem to be at the bottom of the tailcone
however the tiedown hardware is located there.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Re: MT Propeller proposed AD |
Hi All,
Probably just a good idea to follow the 72 month overhaul period.
I guess I don't understand an AD written to cover propellers 5 years after the
TBO time period.
Jim Ayers
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: MT Propeller proposed AD
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Caught this on the regular generic RV-List....anyone else notice this?
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgADNPRM.nsf/0/9D764C3BEA27ADC786256FDB005CB285?OpenDocument
-- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Wiring Exit Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Bob,
I saw the second -10 at SnF last weekend and they ran the wires into the
tailcone just below the lower hinge bracket.
John Hasbrouck #40264
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| Subject: | Tail kit arriving Wednesday! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hi all,
My RV-10 tail kit will be arriving here sometime on Wednesday 4/20.
I already received my tools, Alodine, built a table. I can't wait for it
to arrive.
Now I just need to figure out how to get started :)
-Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Jim,
Open the plans to page 1. That should get you started in good shape.
Very well written and illustrated.
John Hasbrouck
waiting for the wing kit
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| Subject: | Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hmm... I thought I'd start at section 6, Vertical Stabilizer.. :)
I already have the plans for the tail.... And I scanned them in so I can
sneak peeks at them while at lunch..
This should be fun....
-Jim
John Hasbrouck wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
> Jim,
> Open the plans to page 1. That should get you started in good
> shape. Very well written and illustrated.
>
> John Hasbrouck
> waiting for the wing kit
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Congratulations.
Getting started?
You will get to inventory the two boxes that arrive, then its
Open plans to page 1
Follow the directions!
HAVE FUN BUILDING!
Jim C
#40192
Fuel Tanks
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hi all,
My RV-10 tail kit will be arriving here sometime on Wednesday 4/20.
I already received my tools, Alodine, built a table. I can't wait for it
to arrive.
Now I just need to figure out how to get started :)
-Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Robert <retiredpilot03-serv@yahoo.com>
Just follow the directions, more simple than the
plans I used to get with model planes, very well
illustrated. Just read them 2 or even 3 times
before you start drilling or riveting.
Robert
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--- James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein
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> Hi all,
> My RV-10 tail kit will be arriving here
> sometime on Wednesday 4/20.
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> I already received my tools, Alodine, built a
> table. I can't wait for it
> to arrive.
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> Now I just need to figure out how to get
> started :)
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> -Jim
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| Subject: | On the bandwagon |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
Jim,
I'm about 3 weeks behind you. I ordered the tail kit at Sun-N-Fun this past
Friday, sorry didn't get to meet some others of you there, but I was with a
group and (even though I wanted to) couldn't spend ALL my time at the Van's
display....
Rob
Awaiting tail kit delivery ~10 May
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: RV10-List: Tail kit arriving Wednesday!
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hi all,
My RV-10 tail kit will be arriving here sometime on Wednesday 4/20.
I already received my tools, Alodine, built a table. I can't wait for it
to arrive.
Now I just need to figure out how to get started :)
-Jim
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| Subject: | For those sitting on the fence |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
Hi all, just back from Sun & fun. Got there Thursday and made it STRAIGHT to
the RV 10. Both were there that day. OH BOY ! This was a treat. It looked
even better than I had imagined. Got inside and guess who was standing right
outside? Van himself. Jumped right out and snapped a pic with Van and the
RV10. Well long story, but had to wait until Sunday afternoon for a ride in
it. Gus took me up on a clear day that it was. My impression:
I had no trouble getting in. John Ward my friend and a colleague was with me
and rode in the back taking pics. After we got belted in we were off
taxi-ing pretty fast and hardly felt the pace or the ruts on the taxiway.
Then after a short call to the impromptu tower, we were off. I really
expected to be running along a bit as it was a warm day and with 3 of us,
but the plane was airborne after a VERY short run, I mean it was short! But
then he had 2 clicks of the flaps in. Still... We then proceeded to climb at
about 1500 FPM and around 120 MPH. Very cool. Even with the nose up
visibility over the glare shield was fantastic. Then leveled off and Gus let
me have her. The stick felt very natural. I had the hang of it in about 4 to
6 seconds. I could not believe how responsive the plane was. All I had was
my thumb and forefinger holding the stick. Unlike the Cessnas that I fly,
this was great - inputs were followed by an immediate response with hardly a
lag time. Anyway, it was slow flight time and I was a little apprehensive,
given the stick and a new plane..., was a piece of cake. The stalls were
just a `buzz, no drop at all but only buffeting and loss of alt. Even a
stall in a turn was a non event. And I did em all! After a bit of cruise
flight and some crazy turns and stuff, I flew it back to the Plant city
airport for a right downwind and into final when Gus took her in for a good
Xwind touch down. Very cool.
I am glad I am building this beauty. John, my friend who owns a Bonanza V
tail is convinced this flies much better.
And finally for those of you guys procrastinating Get with it. Call and
order the tail. The time you spend chewing on it, you would spend throwing
stuff together and have VS and Rudder finished.
Met a lot of the builders here and there. Since this was my first visit to a
major event, I was busy with the vendors. Met with all of them GRT, Chelton
inodyn, Eggenfellner, tru track, advanced flight, Oregon Aero, etc, etc and
had long talks with them. Also with Randy who was just great and shared a
wealth of info about his experiences in building and how he made choices.
Overall, an extremely productive time.
Mani
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| Subject: | For those sitting on the fence |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>Hi all, just back from Sun & fun. Got there Thursday and made it STRAIGHT
>to
>the RV 10. Both were there that day. OH BOY ! This was a treat. It looked
>even better than I had imagined. Got inside and guess who was standing
>right
>outside? Van himself. Jumped right out and snapped a pic with Van and the
>RV10. Well long story, but had to wait until Sunday afternoon for a ride in
>it. Gus took me up on a clear day that it was. My impression:
>I had no trouble getting in. John Ward my friend and a colleague was with
>me
>and rode in the back taking pics. After we got belted in we were off
>taxi-ing pretty fast and hardly felt the pace or the ruts on the taxiway.
>Then after a short call to the impromptu tower, we were off. I really
>expected to be running along a bit as it was a warm day and with 3 of us,
>but the plane was airborne after a VERY short run, I mean it was short! But
>then he had 2 clicks of the flaps in. Still... We then proceeded to climb
>at
>about 1500 FPM and around 120 MPH. Very cool. Even with the nose up
>visibility over the glare shield was fantastic. Then leveled off and Gus
>let
>me have her. The stick felt very natural. I had the hang of it in about 4
>to
>6 seconds. I could not believe how responsive the plane was. All I had was
>my thumb and forefinger holding the stick. Unlike the Cessnas that I fly,
>this was great - inputs were followed by an immediate response with hardly
>a
>lag time. Anyway, it was slow flight time and I was a little apprehensive,
>given the stick and a new plane..., was a piece of cake. The stalls were
>just a `buzz, no drop at all but only buffeting and loss of alt. Even
a
>stall in a turn was a non event. And I did em all! After a bit of cruise
>flight and some crazy turns and stuff, I flew it back to the Plant city
>airport for a right downwind and into final when Gus took her in for a good
>Xwind touch down. Very cool.
>I am glad I am building this beauty. John, my friend who owns a Bonanza V
>tail is convinced this flies much better.
>And finally for those of you guys procrastinating Get with it. Call and
>order the tail. The time you spend chewing on it, you would spend throwing
>stuff together and have VS and Rudder finished.
>Met a lot of the builders here and there. Since this was my first visit to
>a
>major event, I was busy with the vendors. Met with all of them GRT, Chelton
>inodyn, Eggenfellner, tru track, advanced flight, Oregon Aero, etc, etc and
>had long talks with them. Also with Randy who was just great and shared a
>wealth of info about his experiences in building and how he made choices.
>Overall, an extremely productive time.
>
>Mani
Mani,
Glad you enjoyed the ride! If you flew any of the two seat RV's, your
definition of "responsive" would step up another notch. The -10 is sweet,
groovy and predictable, that's for sure. It's the neatest four seater I've
ever flown. It will never surpass my -8 in max grin generation, but totally
crushes anything affordable in the CessnaPiperBeech world.
I was also amazed at how short the takeoff roll was when I flew it at Las
Cruces on a hot day with three aboard. It just levitates...like an elevator
ride....fifth floor, ladies undergarments...woo hooo off we go!
I hope everyone at the show had fun. I was finishing the almost year long
annual on my plane! The annual that takes an annual to do. Phooey!
'nite
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Static System Connections |
"rv10-list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Long & detailed on an old subject. Worth the read if your working on the
static system.
We used the ACS part# 15160 static port (page# 337) and Nylo-seal
fittings ACS part# 269-N 04X02 male elbow (page 110) and the 264-N 04 union
tee for the totally enclosed part of the static system on HRII N561FS. These
ports have a raised center that fits thru a 1/4" hole in the side. It sticks
thru far enough to still be raised off the surface after painting. Why did
we spend the extra $38.00 bucks for these parts ?.
First, the machined port looks like a machined part rather than the head
of a "pop" rivet.
Second, (and the most important) was it allows the use of the 90 degree
elbow fitting that's takes ALL the stress off the port (pop
rivet end) and the required bend in the tubing. We could have used
the "regular" hose & tube fitting (page 111) but since we only open this
area for annual "conditional inspections" we felt better about
the mechanical joint/ no stress connections.
Third, the tubing is not stretched over a barb which can cause the tube
to split at some later date.
Fourth, we were building Rocket and wanted it to look like a Rocket. Did
we use "pop" rivets on the Rocket ?. Of course BUT not where is
shows. 8*)
If you have read any of my other posts you know that I believe in KISS (Keep
It Simple Stupid) method BUT in my not so humble opinion, the use of the
above fittings both here & in the rest of the Rocket make service and/or
replacement Simple only because you can easily take the system apart and
then put it back together. I wouldn't do that with the barb ends IF you can
get them apart in the first place.
This is only my opinion. Your circumstances/mileage may vary. No offence
Jerry, we used lots of your suggestions while building N561FS. You taught
this Old Dog some new tricks.
Do Not Archive KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>>>
>>>This Van's "method" has to be the most ignorant thing about the entire
>>>kit -
>>>totally unacceptable to do it their way.
>>>
>>>
>
> Ouch, that hurts finding out that I have been using an ignorant method
> in a totally unacceptable
> way that has worked great for me for 16 years. :)
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Impressions after flying the RV10 |
While at SnF, April 2005, I got a chance to fly the RV10. What follows are a
few impressions.
(I will try to be brief and to the point).
Load = Me + Mike Seager + (RV6'er) Ken + small amount of baggage + almost
full fuel.
Space . significant as everyone has mentioned. I had sat in the mock-up and
later in the real thing (at OSH) but this was better.
Engine smooth . as expected for the 6 cylinder.
Take-off roll MUCH SHORTER than I expected (with ~ 15 degrees of flaps {my
guess})
Climb-out ~ 1500 FPM from sea level at much warmer than standard day
(Florida around noon . don't remember the temp)
Handling feels "like an RV" . appropriate for the obvious weight.
Control forces seem to be between the RV6/RV7 and the outer edges of the
RV9. ("9 Flyers" will relate to this)
Control forces are expectedly much lighter than Beechcraft A36, Cessna 210
as well as the Piper Saratoga. (I know, these are 6-place . I was thinking
speed range).
Control forces are much lighter (to me) than the Cirrus SR22 and the Lancair
Columbia 300.
No excessive trim required. Some required as expected due to size, speed and
our loading.
Handles well at slow speeds (75 MPH) and high speeds (175 MPH). Yes, it can
fly SLOWER and FASTER.
Control forces seem well balanced . no major deviations in steep turns
(other than those induced by the pilot :-) )
Nice plane. As one had come to expect from Vans.
My only comment that was not praise was "I wish someone would donate Vans a
set Bose X's . that would make the experience complete."
James
. now if I could just magically convert the Piper to a 10 overnight ..
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| Subject: | Impressions after flying the RV10 |
I've flown in the -10 twice, once up front and once in the back. I agree
with what's been posted, but wanted to add that both times I flew it or in
it I noticed a bit of a tail waggle when you get some turbulence. Anyone
else notice that? Almost wonder if a yaw damper might not be called for
(albeit expensive).
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James E. Clark
Subject: RV10-List: Impressions after flying the RV10
While at SnF, April 2005, I got a chance to fly the RV10. What follows are a
few impressions.
(I will try to be brief and to the point).
Load = Me + Mike Seager + (RV6'er) Ken + small amount of baggage + almost
full fuel.
Space . significant as everyone has mentioned. I had sat in the mock-up and
later in the real thing (at OSH) but this was better.
Engine smooth . as expected for the 6 cylinder.
Take-off roll MUCH SHORTER than I expected (with ~ 15 degrees of flaps {my
guess})
Climb-out ~ 1500 FPM from sea level at much warmer than standard day
(Florida around noon . don't remember the temp)
Handling feels "like an RV" . appropriate for the obvious weight.
Control forces seem to be between the RV6/RV7 and the outer edges of the
RV9. ("9 Flyers" will relate to this)
Control forces are expectedly much lighter than Beechcraft A36, Cessna 210
as well as the Piper Saratoga. (I know, these are 6-place . I was thinking
speed range).
Control forces are much lighter (to me) than the Cirrus SR22 and the Lancair
Columbia 300.
No excessive trim required. Some required as expected due to size, speed and
our loading.
Handles well at slow speeds (75 MPH) and high speeds (175 MPH). Yes, it can
fly SLOWER and FASTER.
Control forces seem well balanced . no major deviations in steep turns
(other than those induced by the pilot :-) )
Nice plane. As one had come to expect from Vans.
My only comment that was not praise was "I wish someone would donate Vans a
set Bose X's . that would make the experience complete."
James
. now if I could just magically convert the Piper to a 10 overnight ..
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