Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:03 AM - My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Tim Olson)
2. 07:38 AM - Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! (Dj Merrill)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
4. 07:52 AM - Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! (Rene Felker)
5. 08:42 AM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Mani Ravee)
6. 09:27 AM - Re: Rudder Wiring Exit Location (Randy DeBauw)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: Rudder Wiring Exit Location (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
8. 12:12 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (John W. Cox)
9. 12:52 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Larry)
10. 01:33 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (James Ochs)
11. 02:24 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
12. 02:35 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Paul Folbrecht)
13. 02:59 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
14. 03:16 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
15. 03:26 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Randy DeBauw)
16. 03:41 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Jim Combs)
17. 03:52 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Chris , Susie McGough)
18. 04:11 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Tim Olson)
19. 04:42 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Rene)
20. 05:33 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Robert G. Wright)
21. 05:51 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Paul Folbrecht)
22. 06:13 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Mani Ravee)
23. 06:21 PM - Re: Weight & Balance (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
24. 07:02 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Tim Olson)
25. 07:02 PM - panel shootout (Robert G. Wright)
26. 08:13 PM - Re: panel shootout (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi all,
I didn't end up flying the Sundowner down to SNF this year, due
to the higher winds that were on my route, but I did go commercial
and made it there. I'm EXTREMELY glad I did. I was slightly
disappointed as to the size of the event. My guess is that there
are many many more vendors both large and small that show up
at OSH, and much greater attendance by planes flying in.
The layout of the show itself is nicer at OSH too. But, that
said, this show accomplished what I wanted it to.
First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
There were others there that did not meet. I got to have dinner with
Ahn Vu, William Curtis, and Randy DeBauw and associated friends and
family. They're all very nice people.
One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
Just before the show, when Randy said he'd be hanging out in their
booth, I emailed Randy and told him "Those panels look nice, but I'm
not really a molded fiberglass panel kind of guy." I myself really
like the look of a nice flat metal panel. But, when I walked into
Aerocraft, I was truly amazed. Those panels were beautiful! They
looked nice, felt nice, and truly look professional. They had
I believe 3 or 4 RV-10 panels on display, with at least 2 different
panel variations, and one with the new throttle quadrant in it.
Here are some photos:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
The deal at the show was this: Put down a $2500 REFUNDABLE deposit
(30 days refundable) at the show, and the panel itself would be
FREE. (The panel separate was estimated at $1400-1600) Free was
a pretty good price, so I listened on. Then, they'll run through
NUMEROUS revisions with you in picking out your instruments and layout,
and they'll draw it up in CAD to get your approval and make sure it
all fits. Once you say "GO", your 30 day deposit time starts. They
will sell you all your instruments, laser cut your panel, do the paint
and powdercoat, install/wire/test your avionics, and then ship you
your completed panel. Not only is it wired, but it's extremely
meticulously wired. They showed me how on the heat-shrink wire labels
how they even label the wires to that when you're UNDER the panel
hooking things up, you can read them. If they route a wire on the
top of a bundle at the start of the run, it's still on the top
of the bundle at the end. Everything is straight and clean.
The sad part for me was that electrical stuff is my favorite. I
don't mind banging rivets, I hate deburring and fiberglassing, but
I LOVE wiring. But, when I started to think of the benefits, I
decided this was the right way to go. It saves literally HUNDREDS
of hours in research and wiring components. Not only that, but I
don't have to try to locate and install every last electrical
connector. And I get to spend that time with my kids. By the way,
the Throttle quadrant layout was very awesome. That thing operates
really smoothly.
Next, I got to visit GRT to see their system. I was really impressed.
They have more features than I ever imagined. They can even do
satellite weather now, on their map, for only $1500 as opposed to
the others costing upwards of $5000. The one loss in the whole thing
was that I REALLY liked the display of the ACS2005...I think that's
the nicest, cleanest, EIS that I've ever seen. But, the GRT EIS
only runs an additional $1200 approx for the IO-540, and there was
another benefit. I've now decided on a 3-screen GRT system. An
over/under display on the left side of the panel, and the single
screen on the right. The cool part is that I can now put my
EIS wherever I want it. If I decide I want a horizon display on the
co-pilot side, a couple of button pushes does it. If I want that
screen to be a moving map with weather, that can be done. It really
gives you some extreme flexibility. In the end, the cost savings
really added up for me, to the point that I could now afford to get
that panel pre-wired and still probably save money. My goal of
the trip was mainly to see GRT, but I ended up making some significant
changes and adding functionality to my panel...at a lower cost.
The other nice show feature for me was being able to see my RV-10
seat at Cleaveland Aircraft Tools. DJ's custom interiors is doing
my seat covers, and their demo cover that was on display looked
really nice. It's not as fancy as the Oregon cover with it's
gusseted (sp?) lumbar pouch, and it wasn't leather, but they'll
do very nicely for me at a good cost savings. I didn't get any
final pricing yet, but they estimated that the rear seats will
cost about the same as an RV-7 seat set, and the front will
probably cost similar, as the stitching is harder, but they don't
need to include the foam. Randy's now also got his RV-10 seats
from Flightline interiors. They price the front set at $650, and
the rear at $675 with foam included, so that shows they also
consider the stitching on the front seat to be a little tougher.
When Mike gets final pricing published, I'll make sure to pass
it out along with photos of my seats. It's nice to know though
that for only in the neighborhood of $1300, a person can have
fully upholstered seats for the RV-10....a far cry from the
OEM standard that was used in the demo planes.
I didn't even take one picture of the RV-10 at the show...sorry. If
someone else has some they want posted, I can do that. I didn't
get to watch any planes fly, but for me, the show was a success.
I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
all in one spot.
Tim
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wing Kit - Almost Complete
QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Tail kit arriving Wednesday! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
James Hein wrote:
> Now I just need to figure out how to get started :)
Rivet #1, followed by rivet #2, followed by... *wink*
Congrats!!!!!
I just received a pile of tools from Cleveland.
I don't even know what half of this stuff is!
Learning is part of the reason I am doing this, though,
and I expect I'm going to earn this education!
Hmmm, a Master's in airplane kit construction,
only $100,000 and ten years of your life! *grin*
-Dj
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deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Tail kit arriving Wednesday! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Won't be much figuring to it - just start on page 1. The plans are excellent and
literally take you by the hand for each step.
Welcome!
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: RV10-List: Tail kit arriving Wednesday!
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hi all,
My RV-10 tail kit will be arriving here sometime on Wednesday 4/20.
I already received my tools, Alodine, built a table. I can't wait for it
to arrive.
Now I just need to figure out how to get started :)
-Jim
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| Subject: | Tail kit arriving Wednesday! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
Or the way I started. Rivet 1, rivet 2, rivet 3.......drill out rivet 1,
rivet 2, rivet 3..... suddenly drilling out a rivet was not a concern for
me anymore.
Rene'
40322
tailcone complete, wings due in two weeks.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tail kit arriving Wednesday!
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
James Hein wrote:
> Now I just need to figure out how to get started :)
Rivet #1, followed by rivet #2, followed by... *wink*
Congrats!!!!!
I just received a pile of tools from Cleveland.
I don't even know what half of this stuff is!
Learning is part of the reason I am doing this, though,
and I expect I'm going to earn this education!
Hmmm, a Master's in airplane kit construction,
only $100,000 and ten years of your life! *grin*
-Dj
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deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
Tim, glad that I met you. And all the others....although I did not get to join
you guys for recreation. Was staying with friends and "had to be nice".
I did not get to see all the airshows either. I was more keen on drinkin up all
the info the vendors had to offer.
GRT - Spoke to Todd at great length. Their displays are a bit dull/dim when compared
to the blue mountain and chelton displays. But I can see that support and
funtionality will be absolutely top notch. Todd did admit that their processor
was not as fast as the others. But it has EVERYTHING! And at a price that is
very doable. I dont know if you guys checked out the OP Technologies EFIS and
PFD. Crystal clear hi res and extremely versatile. Big ones too. They are upstarts,
broke away from honeywell. Met their president, an extremely nice and
resourceful chap. Pricey! Blue mountain folks were not so friendly and had an
air about them. Displays, especially the big one was awesome. Dont know if I will
buy from them though. Chelton- what can you say? Absolutely the best if you
got the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. But, Josh there let me on a lil secre...t soon to be
announced to RV10 builders, believe it or not. I guess they are seeing competition/loss
of market share. :) Even the Avidyne EX500
looked
very good. Have brought back tons of brochures from all of them which I have to
peruse.
Agreed! the fiberglass panels that Randy was helping with or "modeling" in front
of, :) were indeed the cats meow. I will also be going that route I think. They
had the warmth of two tone finishes and looked extremely professional - one
would never achieve that degree of detail and good finish with fabbing it at
home. Looks better than the inside of a GM car. So you get the idea. I did not
order yet as I am still a ways from being able to play with panels.
Speaking of panels, met this young man around the RV10 who is putting together
a software to be able to design/play with creating a panel. ( I know about the
other "panel ware", but this is new) He gave me a beta ver on a CD. Have not
yet had time to play eith it but will post feedback. Dont remember his name, but
will post when I get home tonight.
Did some digging in the alternative engines area. Wish I could call them the mainstream
engines. Met Jan Egg and Chuck Nearhoof. Very nice guys, both of them,
took a lot of time to talk with me. Jan's firewall forward kit is impressive.
Lots of detail and looks very finished and nice. He also informed me that there
will be a 3.0 liter version of the H6 with about 245 - 255 HP supercharged
which may suit the RV10 verywell. Although he hastened to add that it is in the
works at Subaru and has not seen the light of day yet. But, Subaru is not vaporware
like many others. Innodyn, awesome. They had, chuck says, started production
at last. Had 4 actual production models there - not prototypes. The quality
of the constuction and finish looked EXTREMELY nice. When asked about the
weight or the lack thereof, he said they are working on a "twinpack" design
which would add adequate weight. It will be two of their smaller turbines with
a common drive, engineered to run even when one turb
ine is
lost. Interesting. If that takes off, they got my money. Think of a ten with turbine
engine? Not the crazy huge stuff that people are retrofitting. Innodyne
would be sweet. Have to wait on that. Spoke to ECI for their 540 kit. Was told
that a complete 540 kit will be ready later this year or early next. They are
engineering their cases and some of the other stuff now. They have their own
forging plant for their cranks and use their proprietary metalurgy and treatments
for hardening. Not Lycoming's.
This is long enough, will write more if others are interested.
You are right Tim, lets make a " Show of Force" in OSH this year. It could well
be the
"Year of the 10"
Mani
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
Hi all,
I didn't end up flying the Sundowner down to SNF this year, due
to the higher winds that were on my route, but I did go commercial
and made it there. I'm EXTREMELY glad I did. I was slightly
disappointed as to the size of the event. My guess is that there
are many many more vendors both large and small that show up
at OSH, and much greater attendance by planes flying in.
The layout of the show itself is nicer at OSH too. But, that
said, this show accomplished what I wanted it to.
First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
There were others there that did not meet. I got to have dinner with
Ahn Vu, William Curtis, and Randy DeBauw and associated friends and
family. They're all very nice people.
One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
Just before the show, when Randy said he'd be hanging out in their
booth, I emailed Randy and told him "Those panels look nice, but I'm
not really a molded fiberglass panel kind of guy." I myself really
like the look of a nice flat metal panel. But, when I walked into
Aerocraft, I was truly amazed. Those panels were beautiful! They
looked nice, felt nice, and truly look professional. They had
I believe 3 or 4 RV-10 panels on display, with at least 2 different
panel variations, and one with the new throttle quadrant in it.
Here are some photos:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
The deal at the show was this: Put down a $2500 REFUNDABLE deposit
(30 days refundable) at the show, and the panel itself would be
FREE. (The panel separate was estimated at $1400-1600) Free was
a pretty good price, so I listened on. Then, they'll run through
NUMEROUS revisions with you in picking out your instruments and layout,
and they'll draw it up in CAD to get your approval and make sure it
all fits. Once you say "GO", your 30 day deposit time starts. They
will sell you all your instruments, laser cut your panel, do the paint
and powdercoat, install/wire/test your avionics, and then ship you
your completed panel. Not only is it wired, but it's extremely
meticulously wired. They showed me how on the heat-shrink wire labels
how they even label the wires to that when you're UNDER the panel
hooking things up, you can read them. If they route a wire on the
top of a bundle at the start of the run, it's still on the top
of the bundle at the end. Everything is straight and clean.
The sad part for me was that electrical stuff is my favorite. I
don't mind banging rivets, I hate deburring and fiberglassing, but
I LOVE wiring. But, when I started to think of the benefits, I
decided this was the right way to go. It saves literally HUNDREDS
of hours in research and wiring components. Not only that, but I
don't have to try to locate and install every last electrical
connector. And I get to spend that time with my kids. By the way,
the Throttle quadrant layout was very awesome. That thing operates
really smoothly.
Next, I got to visit GRT to see their system. I was really impressed.
They have more features than I ever imagined. They can even do
satellite weather now, on their map, for only $1500 as opposed to
the others costing upwards of $5000. The one loss in the whole thing
was that I REALLY liked the display of the ACS2005...I think that's
the nicest, cleanest, EIS that I've ever seen. But, the GRT EIS
only runs an additional $1200 approx for the IO-540, and there was
another benefit. I've now decided on a 3-screen GRT system. An
over/under display on the left side of the panel, and the single
screen on the right. The cool part is that I can now put my
EIS wherever I want it. If I decide I want a horizon display on the
co-pilot side, a couple of button pushes does it. If I want that
screen to be a moving map with weather, that can be done. It really
gives you some extreme flexibility. In the end, the cost savings
really added up for me, to the point that I could now afford to get
that panel pre-wired and still probably save money. My goal of
the trip was mainly to see GRT, but I ended up making some significant
changes and adding functionality to my panel...at a lower cost.
The other nice show feature for me was being able to see my RV-10
seat at Cleaveland Aircraft Tools. DJ's custom interiors is doing
my seat covers, and their demo cover that was on display looked
really nice. It's not as fancy as the Oregon cover with it's
gusseted (sp?) lumbar pouch, and it wasn't leather, but they'll
do very nicely for me at a good cost savings. I didn't get any
final pricing yet, but they estimated that the rear seats will
cost about the same as an RV-7 seat set, and the front will
probably cost similar, as the stitching is harder, but they don't
need to include the foam. Randy's now also got his RV-10 seats
from Flightline interiors. They price the front set at $650, and
the rear at $675 with foam included, so that shows they also
consider the stitching on the front seat to be a little tougher.
When Mike gets final pricing published, I'll make sure to pass
it out along with photos of my seats. It's nice to know though
that for only in the neighborhood of $1300, a person can have
fully upholstered seats for the RV-10....a far cry from the
OEM standard that was used in the demo planes.
I didn't even take one picture of the RV-10 at the show...sorry. If
someone else has some they want posted, I can do that. I didn't
get to watch any planes fly, but for me, the show was a success.
I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
all in one spot.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wing Kit - Almost Complete
QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Rudder Wiring Exit Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Bob, it seams that the factory runs it right through the tie down right below the
hinge for the rudder. Randy
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Wiring Exit Location
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
How are folks running to wire out to the rudder for the strobe and position lights?
The ideal location for the exit would seem to be at the bottom of the tailcone
however the tiedown hardware is located there.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Rudder Wiring Exit Location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Interesting - I may delay installing it until I see somebody else's installation.
Thanks to you and John for responses.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder Wiring Exit Location
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Bob, it seams that the factory runs it right through the tie down right below the
hinge for the rudder. Randy
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Wiring Exit Location
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
How are folks running to wire out to the rudder for the strobe and position lights?
The ideal location for the exit would seem to be at the bottom of the tailcone
however the tiedown hardware is located there.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
those of us stuck at work last week.
The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
John Cox
At home at KUAO
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi all,
First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
all in one spot.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wing Kit - Almost Complete
QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
An AeroCraft layout for Alex Deminicus' 10 is on VansAirforce at this link
<http://vansairforce.net/delete_eventually/deminicus-rv-3-30-051%5D.pdf>
The panel is packed. Take out the second mortgage.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Yes! thank you for posting so we can live vicariously through you ;)
More Pics and Reports puhhhleeeze! And here I thought I was the only
one who didn't get to go... Now I am trying to get up to the factory so
I can ride in the -10 so that when I order it I know what I am getting
... I was planning to go at the end of next week, but it looks like the
weather isn't going to cooperate and they tell me the planes won't be
back until then either, so I can't go earlier in the week :P
On top of that, I was supposed to go up there a month ago and wound up
having to have my wisdom teeth extracted instead, then sun-n-fun took
the planes away and I couldn't go meet them there! Bah, I don't know
how much longer I can sit on this order form ;)
Definately do not archive because I'm just frustrated and whining ;)
James
John W. Cox wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>those of us stuck at work last week.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
No reason to wait - a number of us ordered before actually riding in the plane!
In fact, I'd be willing to wager that there's still a fair number of RV-10 builders
that haven't taken the ride...
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Yes! thank you for posting so we can live vicariously through you ;)
More Pics and Reports puhhhleeeze! And here I thought I was the only
one who didn't get to go... Now I am trying to get up to the factory so
I can ride in the -10 so that when I order it I know what I am getting
... I was planning to go at the end of next week, but it looks like the
weather isn't going to cooperate and they tell me the planes won't be
back until then either, so I can't go earlier in the week :P
On top of that, I was supposed to go up there a month ago and wound up
having to have my wisdom teeth extracted instead, then sun-n-fun took
the planes away and I couldn't go meet them there! Bah, I don't know
how much longer I can sit on this order form ;)
Definately do not archive because I'm just frustrated and whining ;)
James
John W. Cox wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>those of us stuck at work last week.
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Flying the RV-10 is more fun that having your wisdom teeth pulled. Almost no
doubt about that.
> On top of that, I was supposed to go up there a month ago and wound up
> having to have my wisdom teeth extracted instead, then sun-n-fun took
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
I have not even sat in the finished one, looked at it but not have not
been in it. I have the emp done, finishing the tail cone and getting
started on the wings.
If anyone wants to split expenses on a Cherokee to Oregon I would be
happy to go!
Waiting for a ride
Dan 40269
PS you can call me crazy because I started to build a 7A before I even
had my PPL!
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(US SSA)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
No reason to wait - a number of us ordered before actually riding in the
plane! In fact, I'd be willing to wager that there's still a fair
number of RV-10 builders that haven't taken the ride...
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Yes! thank you for posting so we can live vicariously through you ;)
More Pics and Reports puhhhleeeze! And here I thought I was the only
one who didn't get to go... Now I am trying to get up to the factory so
I can ride in the -10 so that when I order it I know what I am getting
... I was planning to go at the end of next week, but it looks like the
weather isn't going to cooperate and they tell me the planes won't be
back until then either, so I can't go earlier in the week :P
On top of that, I was supposed to go up there a month ago and wound up
having to have my wisdom teeth extracted instead, then sun-n-fun took
the planes away and I couldn't go meet them there! Bah, I don't know
how much longer I can sit on this order form ;)
Definately do not archive because I'm just frustrated and whining ;)
James
John W. Cox wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>those of us stuck at work last week.
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
Prop:
I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks. I
have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems with
both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose heavy
with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage compartment
to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20 lbs.
lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But with
four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will make
this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the mission
you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the batteries
to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
calculations.
Panel:
WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying about
it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case, I
still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
Trutrak ADI.
Alternator:
I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is $595.
Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator back.
Oxygen:
SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
spending $7000 I figure.
Grand Rapids:
Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They said
they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
system you don't need the following because it is either included or
build in.
- Hobbs meter (build in)
- Altitude encoder (built in)
- Shunt for amps (comes with it)
- It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
- dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
Audio:
I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to PS
engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000. I
need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
with you get XM weather.
I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
really have?
It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
those of us stuck at work last week.
The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
John Cox
At home at KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi all,
First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
all in one spot.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wing Kit - Almost Complete
QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Well thought out Scott. It is very interesting how different people come up with
different decisions for the same plane. Some are mission driven and others a
personal preferences. What a great plane that will handle several different
needs and is so adaptable. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
Prop:
I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks. I
have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems with
both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose heavy
with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage compartment
to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20 lbs.
lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But with
four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will make
this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the mission
you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the batteries
to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
calculations.
Panel:
WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying about
it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case, I
still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
Trutrak ADI.
Alternator:
I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is $595.
Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator back.
Oxygen:
SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
spending $7000 I figure.
Grand Rapids:
Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They said
they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
system you don't need the following because it is either included or
build in.
- Hobbs meter (build in)
- Altitude encoder (built in)
- Shunt for amps (comes with it)
- It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
- dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
Audio:
I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to PS
engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000. I
need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
with you get XM weather.
I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
really have?
It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
those of us stuck at work last week.
The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
John Cox
At home at KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi all,
First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
all in one spot.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wing Kit - Almost Complete
QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>In fact, I'd be willing to wager that there's still a fair number of RV-10 builders
that haven't taken the ride...
I am one of those who has not taken "The Ride"
Jim Combs
#40192
Fuel Tanks
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Scott can you tell me about the engine you got?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>
> Prop:
> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks. I
> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems with
> both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose heavy
> with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage compartment
> to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20 lbs.
> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But with
> four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
> will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will make
> this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
> bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the mission
> you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
> people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the batteries
> to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
> calculations.
>
> Panel:
> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying about
> it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case, I
> still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
> Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
> 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
> Trutrak ADI.
>
> Alternator:
> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
> and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
> that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is $595.
> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator back.
>
> Oxygen:
> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
> very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
> spending $7000 I figure.
>
> Grand Rapids:
> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They said
> they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
> other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
> awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
> build in.
> - Hobbs meter (build in)
> - Altitude encoder (built in)
> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>
> Audio:
> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to PS
> engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000. I
> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
> with you get XM weather.
>
> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
> really have?
>
> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
> those of us stuck at work last week.
>
> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>
> John Cox
> At home at KUAO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>
> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>
> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
> and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
> if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
> gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
> all in one spot.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Wing Kit - Almost Complete
> QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Scott,
We'll have to talk. Our panels are going to be outfitted VERY
similarly. Grand Rapids 3 screen, GNS-480, MX-20, PS 8000, GTX330,
SL30, Quadrant, backup 2-1/4" ADI/Altimeter/airspeed/turnNbank.
B&C alternator most likely. Planning on Aerosport engine.
Would love to talk to you about how you chose them.
If you want to hook up via phone, let me know and I'll give you
my number.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>
> Prop:
> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks. I
> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems with
> both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose heavy
> with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage compartment
> to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20 lbs.
> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But with
> four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
> will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will make
> this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
> bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the mission
> you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
> people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the batteries
> to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
> calculations.
>
> Panel:
> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying about
> it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case, I
> still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
> Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
> 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
> Trutrak ADI.
>
> Alternator:
> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
> and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
> that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is $595.
> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator back.
>
> Oxygen:
> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
> very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
> spending $7000 I figure.
>
> Grand Rapids:
> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They said
> they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
> other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
> awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
> build in.
> - Hobbs meter (build in)
> - Altitude encoder (built in)
> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>
> Audio:
> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to PS
> engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000. I
> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
> with you get XM weather.
>
> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
> really have?
>
> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
> those of us stuck at work last week.
>
> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>
> John Cox
> At home at KUAO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>
> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>
> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
> and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
> if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
> gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
> all in one spot.
>
> Tim
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
I am also one of them........going to Oregon next, hoping to get a ride.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>In fact, I'd be willing to wager that there's still a fair number of RV-10
builders that haven't taken the ride...
I am one of those who has not taken "The Ride"
Jim Combs
#40192
Fuel Tanks
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
That's right...order now! Since I was going to SNF I waited to order the
tail kit in person after sitting in the -10 for eventual bragging rights,
and STILL didn't get to ride in it b/c I didn't stay until Sunday, which had
the only open slots.
If I hadn't gone to SNF I was going to order the tail kit sight unseen, but
definitely after all the research I and everyone else has done and shared!
Rob Wright
Awaiting builder's number and tail kit
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
No reason to wait - a number of us ordered before actually riding in the
plane! In fact, I'd be willing to wager that there's still a fair number of
RV-10 builders that haven't taken the ride...
Bob #40105
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Yes! thank you for posting so we can live vicariously through you ;)
More Pics and Reports puhhhleeeze! And here I thought I was the only
one who didn't get to go... Now I am trying to get up to the factory so
I can ride in the -10 so that when I order it I know what I am getting
... I was planning to go at the end of next week, but it looks like the
weather isn't going to cooperate and they tell me the planes won't be
back until then either, so I can't go earlier in the week :P
On top of that, I was supposed to go up there a month ago and wound up
having to have my wisdom teeth extracted instead, then sun-n-fun took
the planes away and I couldn't go meet them there! Bah, I don't know
how much longer I can sit on this order form ;)
Definately do not archive because I'm just frustrated and whining ;)
James
John W. Cox wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>those of us stuck at work last week.
>
>
>
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s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;
b=M99HoJeQJx1/mnkHnINna+2LhHDUUGawSpGZcyBxWCyat5EiO+2bLK7i6UjWlFPnE4LhaPoyMioovjKchrUV+Eg18E8n/NyfW6vA2NpiuLGJwB/ohREMcZ5S5nfOSlrsFjrp8jogOSmkGvNzkLCNYRVg4BqZZoCJjqziWNdJq6Q=
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| Subject: | Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Although my panel is a long way out, this is very, very close to what I have
put together at this point as well. (I'd go with the 430 over the 480 and
perhaps a different UPSAT nav/com). Not surprising, I guess, given the
popularity of all of these components.
With that, I'd be really interested in seeing the numbers from Aerocraft, if
you'd be comfortable posting them. I agree that their panel looks great and
will most likely be outsourcing my panel.
> We'll have to talk. Our panels are going to be outfitted VERY
> similarly. Grand Rapids 3 screen, GNS-480, MX-20, PS 8000, GTX330,
> SL30, Quadrant, backup 2-1/4" ADI/Altimeter/airspeed/turnNbank.
> B&C alternator most likely. Planning on Aerosport engine.
> Would love to talk to you about how you chose them.
> If you want to hook up via phone, let me know and I'll give you
> my number.
> > still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
> > Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
> > 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
> > Trutrak ADI.
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| Subject: | My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
Tim, what and how do the prices of the avionics from Aerocraft compare to
the real world. How about upgradeability? Since I am far from there I did
not go into it extensively, although I spent about 2.5 hrs at their booth.
Mostly with Randy. Wonder what the heck I was talking about? :) Michael
Jackson?
He He! Please share or E mail personal to mani.ravee@us.army.mil
Mani Ravee, MD MC
Pulmonary Medicine & Critical Care
Maj. US Army Medical Corps
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Scott,
We'll have to talk. Our panels are going to be outfitted VERY
similarly. Grand Rapids 3 screen, GNS-480, MX-20, PS 8000, GTX330,
SL30, Quadrant, backup 2-1/4" ADI/Altimeter/airspeed/turnNbank.
B&C alternator most likely. Planning on Aerosport engine.
Would love to talk to you about how you chose them.
If you want to hook up via phone, let me know and I'll give you
my number.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
<sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>
> Prop:
> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks. I
> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems with
> both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose heavy
> with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage compartment
> to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20 lbs.
> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But with
> four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
> will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will make
> this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
> bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the mission
> you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
> people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the batteries
> to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
> calculations.
>
> Panel:
> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying about
> it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case, I
> still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
> Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
> 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
> Trutrak ADI.
>
> Alternator:
> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
> and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
> that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is $595.
> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator back.
>
> Oxygen:
> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
> very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
> spending $7000 I figure.
>
> Grand Rapids:
> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They said
> they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
> other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
> awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
> build in.
> - Hobbs meter (build in)
> - Altitude encoder (built in)
> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>
> Audio:
> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to PS
> engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000. I
> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
> with you get XM weather.
>
> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
> really have?
>
> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
> those of us stuck at work last week.
>
> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>
> John Cox
> At home at KUAO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>
> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>
> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
> and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
> if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
> gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
> all in one spot.
>
> Tim
>
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
Anyone with a Finish Kit plans set want to scan and post some of that Weight and
Balance information? Scott's mention is the first I'd heard of a problem on
the "too far aft" end, and it's making me nervous with my extra pounds of batteries
in back for 24 volts . . .
Thanks,
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chris , Susie McGough
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Scott can you tell me about the engine you got?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>
> Prop:
> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks. I
> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems with
> both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose heavy
> with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage compartment
> to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20 lbs.
> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But with
> four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
> will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will make
> this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
> bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the mission
> you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
> people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the batteries
> to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
> calculations.
>
> Panel:
> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying about
> it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case, I
> still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
> Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
> 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
> Trutrak ADI.
>
> Alternator:
> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
> and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
> that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is $595.
> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator back.
>
> Oxygen:
> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
> very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
> spending $7000 I figure.
>
> Grand Rapids:
> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They said
> they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
> other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
> awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
> build in.
> - Hobbs meter (build in)
> - Altitude encoder (built in)
> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>
> Audio:
> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to PS
> engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000. I
> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
> with you get XM weather.
>
> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
> really have?
>
> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
> those of us stuck at work last week.
>
> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>
> John Cox
> At home at KUAO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>
> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>
> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
> and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
> if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
> gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
> all in one spot.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Wing Kit - Almost Complete
> QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
At this point, I can't even guestimate the pricing from Aerocraft.
They *claimed* that they'd be the lowest price around, but when
talking that way, the comparisons were made to the big companies.
There are places like Stark that are known for their great prices.
I don't know if they'll be rock bottom, or not. But, the cool part
is that they will give the full quote BEFORE you lose your deposit
money. So, once I get pricing, I'll have a better idea on it.
What do you mean about upgradeablity? As far as equipment goes,
you could always have a new metal insert cut for new equipment.
As far as wiring, no matter what you do, you're going to have a
mess when you want to upgrade something of this complexity.
We'll just keep in touch as I find out more. At this point, my
panel purchase is a $2500 deposit, and some unknown huge
figure. :) Believe me though, when I get the real quote, I'll
be finding out exactly how good the prices are....and if they're
not good enough to come REAL close to the bottom, I'll buy the
radios myself and send them to them.....just paying for
the wiring.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Mani Ravee wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Tim, what and how do the prices of the avionics from Aerocraft compare to
> the real world. How about upgradeability? Since I am far from there I did
> not go into it extensively, although I spent about 2.5 hrs at their booth.
> Mostly with Randy. Wonder what the heck I was talking about? :) Michael
> Jackson?
> He He! Please share or E mail personal to mani.ravee@us.army.mil
>
> Mani Ravee, MD MC
> Pulmonary Medicine & Critical Care
> Maj. US Army Medical Corps
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Scott,
>
> We'll have to talk. Our panels are going to be outfitted VERY
> similarly. Grand Rapids 3 screen, GNS-480, MX-20, PS 8000, GTX330,
> SL30, Quadrant, backup 2-1/4" ADI/Altimeter/airspeed/turnNbank.
> B&C alternator most likely. Planning on Aerosport engine.
> Would love to talk to you about how you chose them.
> If you want to hook up via phone, let me know and I'll give you
> my number.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Scott Schmidt wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
>
> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
>>I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
>>this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
>>engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>>
>>Prop:
>>I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks. I
>>have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
>>the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems with
>>both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose heavy
>>with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage compartment
>>to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20 lbs.
>>lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But with
>>four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
>>will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will make
>>this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
>>bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the mission
>>you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
>>people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the batteries
>>to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
>>calculations.
>>
>>Panel:
>>WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying about
>>it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case, I
>>still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
>>Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
>>40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
>>Trutrak ADI.
>>
>>Alternator:
>>I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
>>and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
>>that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is $595.
>>Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator back.
>>
>>Oxygen:
>>SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
>>very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
>>spending $7000 I figure.
>>
>>Grand Rapids:
>>Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They said
>>they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
>>other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
>>awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
>>TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
>>system you don't need the following because it is either included or
>>build in.
>>- Hobbs meter (build in)
>>- Altitude encoder (built in)
>>- Shunt for amps (comes with it)
>>- It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
>>- dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>>
>>Audio:
>>I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to PS
>>engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
>>IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
>>perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000. I
>>need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
>>with you get XM weather.
>>
>>I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
>>know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
>>really have?
>>
>>It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>>
>>
>>Scott Schmidt
>>sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
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>>Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>>those of us stuck at work last week.
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>>The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
>>flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>>
>>John Cox
>>At home at KUAO
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
>>To: RV10
>>Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>>Hi all,
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>>First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
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>>One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
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>>http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
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>>I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
>>and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
>>if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
>>gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
>>all in one spot.
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>>Tim
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
Has anyone who is close to actually ordering their panel components compared
in-depth the BMA Sport to the GRT and would like to comment?
Rob Wright
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi Rob,
It's beeen a while since I've done anything in-depth with BMA, because
after OSH last year I decided to drop that route altogether, but...
I think the BMA sport has an absolutely fantastic display for it's size.
The colors were great, and it really looked like a nice unit for what
it did. For me, the catch became what it could do as far as
functionality was concerned, mostly in relation to how it would work
with an IFR GPS and the autopilot. Before buying the BMA, I'd try
to make sure you're up to speed with what kinds of IFR approaches you
can do coupled to a GPS, and then try to get in-depth with what the
unit will actually do. (If you're planning full-IFR flying). Dig
specifically into doing an "approved" GPS approach, and flying the
glideslope...especially coupled to the autopilot. That's where it
all fell apart for me last year. I asked, "so with a GNS-480, can
I use that GPS to drive the sport with it's autopilot to do a
WAAS glideslope approach?". And I got "Why would you want to do that?"
....like they really believe that people will not want to fly coupled
approaches. In my personal opinion, if I was just looking for an
attitude/simple map/DG display, this unit is probably one of the
prettiest units out there. But, when you want to do more than that,
it falls behind quickly.
One other thing is to look into how the units (GRT, BMA, Dynon, ...)
will act if you lose things like airspeed (pitot), GPS, or other
references. I think you'll find that the BMA and Dynon might have
more issues to deal with in that regards too...whereas the GRT
has it's AHRS and magnetometer and some other features that make
it less reliant.
I'm definitely no expert though, so I'd dig up this info for yourself.
If you didn't know there was a GRT_EFIS yahoogroup, now might be a
good time to get on that one too.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
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Robert G. Wright wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
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> Has anyone who is close to actually ordering their panel components compared
> in-depth the BMA Sport to the GRT and would like to comment?
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> Rob Wright
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