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1. 08:11 AM - Re: Weight & Balance (Jeff Carpenter)
2. 08:35 AM - Re: Weight & Balance (John Jessen)
3. 08:49 AM - -10 external power. (John Hasbrouck)
4. 08:54 AM - Re: Weight & Balance (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
5. 09:26 AM - Re: Weight & Balance (John W. Cox)
6. 10:36 AM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Scott Schmidt)
7. 10:40 AM - Re: Weight & Balance (greerdans@aol.com)
8. 11:43 AM - Re: Weight & Balance (Scott Schmidt)
9. 12:42 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Paul Folbrecht)
10. 12:43 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Rob Kermanj)
11. 01:14 PM - kit no 388 (Chris , Susie McGough)
12. 01:50 PM - Re: kit no 388 (Paul Folbrecht)
13. 01:59 PM - Re: kit no 388 (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
14. 02:28 PM - Re: kit no 388 (Paul Folbrecht)
15. 02:29 PM - Re: -10 External Power (William Curtis)
16. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: -10 External Power (Randy DeBauw)
17. 02:38 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) (Scott Schmidt)
18. 03:07 PM - Re: RV-List: Static System Connections (JOHN STARN)
19. 03:26 PM - CG adjustment (Jim Combs)
20. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections (Brian)
21. 03:54 PM - Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (William Curtis)
22. 05:03 PM - Weight and Balance (Bill McCoy)
23. 06:18 PM - Re: -10 external power. (rv10@tpg.com.au)
24. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
I'm just finishing the tail kit, but have also heard about Vans tossing
some shot in the back of the plane when the back seats are empty. One
way that I've thought of to deal with this (I seem to do quite a bit of
daydreaming while deburring and dimpling) is to put the battery(s) in
two position adjustable trays to compensate for the different CG
conditions without having to carry the extra weight. Any thoughts?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Apr 19, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
> Anyone with a Finish Kit plans set want to scan and post some of that
> Weight and Balance information? Scott's mention is the first I'd
> heard of a problem on the "too far aft" end, and it's making me
> nervous with my extra pounds of batteries in back for 24 volts . . .
>
> Thanks,
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chris , Susie
> McGough
> Sent: Tue 4/19/2005 6:51 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Scott can you tell me about the engine you got?
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
>> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>>
>> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
>> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
>> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>>
>> Prop:
>> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks.
>> I
>> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
>> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems
>> with
>> both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose
>> heavy
>> with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage
>> compartment
>> to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20
>> lbs.
>> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But
>> with
>> four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
>> will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will
>> make
>> this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
>> bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the
>> mission
>> you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
>> people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the
>> batteries
>> to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
>> calculations.
>>
>> Panel:
>> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying
>> about
>> it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case,
>> I
>> still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
>> Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
>> 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
>> Trutrak ADI.
>>
>> Alternator:
>> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
>> and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
>> that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is
>> $595.
>> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator
>> back.
>>
>> Oxygen:
>> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
>> very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
>> spending $7000 I figure.
>>
>> Grand Rapids:
>> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They
>> said
>> they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
>> other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
>> awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
>> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
>> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
>> build in.
>> - Hobbs meter (build in)
>> - Altitude encoder (built in)
>> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
>> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
>> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>>
>> Audio:
>> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to
>> PS
>> engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
>> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
>> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000.
>> I
>> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
>> with you get XM weather.
>>
>> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
>> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
>> really have?
>>
>> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>>
>>
>> Scott Schmidt
>> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
>> <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>>
>> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>> those of us stuck at work last week.
>>
>> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
>> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>>
>> John Cox
>> At home at KUAO
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>>
>> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>>
>> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
>> and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
>> if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
>> gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
>> all in one spot.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Wing Kit - Almost Complete
>> QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That's a neat idea. You mean something on a lockable sled? Only issue
would be that stuff that moves or could move often does at the wrong moment.
You could have marks that correspond to a weight and balance program that
had the battery at different marked locations. Very nice idea.
John Jessen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weight & Balance
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
I'm just finishing the tail kit, but have also heard about Vans tossing some
shot in the back of the plane when the back seats are empty. One way that
I've thought of to deal with this (I seem to do quite a bit of daydreaming
while deburring and dimpling) is to put the battery(s) in two position
adjustable trays to compensate for the different CG conditions without
having to carry the extra weight. Any thoughts?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Apr 19, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
> Anyone with a Finish Kit plans set want to scan and post some of that
> Weight and Balance information? Scott's mention is the first I'd
> heard of a problem on the "too far aft" end, and it's making me
> nervous with my extra pounds of batteries in back for 24 volts . . .
>
> Thanks,
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chris , Susie
> McGough
> Sent: Tue 4/19/2005 6:51 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Scott can you tell me about the engine you got?
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
>> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>>
>> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
>> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
>> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>>
>> Prop:
>> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks.
>> I
>> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
>> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems
>> with both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is
>> nose heavy with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the
>> baggage compartment to make the plane fly with better control. The MT
>> prop is about 20 lbs.
>> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But
>> with four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the
>> RV-10 will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT
>> will make this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with
>> Van and he bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down
>> to the mission you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I
>> would guess 2-3 people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to
>> relocate the batteries to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going
>> to run some sample calculations.
>>
>> Panel:
>> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying
>> about it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in
>> case, I still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three
>> screen Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio,
>> GTX330, SL 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter,
>> airspeed, and Trutrak ADI.
>>
>> Alternator:
>> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive
>> alternator and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their
>> alternator regulator that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about
>> $160 and the B&C is $595.
>> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator
>> back.
>>
>> Oxygen:
>> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It
>> is very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
>> spending $7000 I figure.
>>
>> Grand Rapids:
>> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They
>> said they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all
>> of the other systems and they seem to have the best support. It
>> really is awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really
>> respect the
>> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
>> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
>> build in.
>> - Hobbs meter (build in)
>> - Altitude encoder (built in)
>> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
>> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
>> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>>
>> Audio:
>> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to
>> PS engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
>> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
>> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000.
>> I
>> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
>> with you get XM weather.
>>
>> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
>> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
>> really have?
>>
>> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>>
>>
>> Scott Schmidt
>> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W.
>> Cox
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
>> <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>>
>> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>> those of us stuck at work last week.
>>
>> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
>> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>>
>> John Cox
>> At home at KUAO
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>>
>> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>>
>> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away, and
>> it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see if we
>> can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to gather
>> together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders all in one
>> spot.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Wing Kit - Almost Complete
>> QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | -10 external power. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
All,
First, I'd like to thank Randy for taking the time at SnF to talk with
me while I drooled over the Aero Crafters panels. It was a pleasure meeting
you Randy and my best wishes for your first flight. A thought occurred to
me and I'd mentioned it to Randy, is anyone making plans for external power
on their -10? With all the gee-whiz electronic navigators, PFD, MFD, etc.
there will be a need to update databases, input flight plans and simply
learn all the capabilities of the units. Seems an external power plug would
be convenient, much easier than connecting a battery charger when you want
to just sit in the plane and play. What do you all think?
BTW The Grand Rapids units update with a thumb drive connecting to a USB
port on the back of the displays. Will need to run a USB port to the panel
front for ease of use.
Also, I talked to Van at SnF about support for the IO-360 Cont. Not
going to happen. Not enough interest. I asked if they might supply an
engine mount or blue prints at least for the mount and was told no. FWIW
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
I can do that tonight when I get home. Van did a good job showing all
the extremes. To exceed the aft CG limit, Van had 5 gallons of gas in
the plane, 4 people and 100 lbs of baggage. He was showing you an
example of being OK for takeoff but not within limits during landing.
Scott Schmidt
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance
Anyone with a Finish Kit plans set want to scan and post some of that
Weight and Balance information? Scott's mention is the first I'd heard
of a problem on the "too far aft" end, and it's making me nervous with
my extra pounds of batteries in back for 24 volts . . .
Thanks,
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chris , Susie
McGough
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
<VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Scott can you tell me about the engine you got?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>
> Prop:
> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks.
I
> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems
with
> both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose
heavy
> with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage
compartment
> to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20
lbs.
> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But
with
> four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
> will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will
make
> this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
> bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the
mission
> you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
> people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the
batteries
> to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
> calculations.
>
> Panel:
> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying
about
> it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case,
I
> still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
> Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
> 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
> Trutrak ADI.
>
> Alternator:
> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
> and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
> that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is
$595.
> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator
back.
>
> Oxygen:
> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
> very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
> spending $7000 I figure.
>
> Grand Rapids:
> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They
said
> they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
> other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
> awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
> build in.
> - Hobbs meter (build in)
> - Altitude encoder (built in)
> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>
> Audio:
> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to
PS
> engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000.
I
> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
> with you get XM weather.
>
> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
> really have?
>
> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
> those of us stuck at work last week.
>
> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>
> John Cox
> At home at KUAO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>
> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>
> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
> and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
> if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
> gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
> all in one spot.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Wing Kit - Almost Complete
> QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
Sounds like a need to have a unique Operating Limitation with associated
placard to jettison first the baggage, then passengers one at a time as
necessary on downwind before trying a "Low Fuel Landing". Seriously
Scott, your calculated W&B along with Randy's (Mountain High O2 system)
and other who follow will have a large and important impact on
construction choices. Battery choice and location as well as placement
of the servos and optional equipment could make a huge difference. It
will be interested to see the numbers on the ECI IO-540 kit in a VANS
configuration once released. One comment Randy and Tim have both made
is the lack of Elevator response at the far limit when having only Front
Seat Loading. The Lancair IV found that the W&B moved appreciably with
Gear Extended v. Gear Retracted. Least that is not a factor with the
additional safety of a 10.
TDT, your calculations once Scott gives you data would be invaluable on
this subject.
John Cox
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance
I can do that tonight when I get home. Van did a good job showing all
the extremes. To exceed the aft CG limit, Van had 5 gallons of gas in
the plane, 4 people and 100 lbs of baggage. He was showing you an
example of being OK for takeoff but not within limits during landing.
Scott Schmidt
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I spent some time talking with lots of builders and got three quotes
from other companies as well. Most engine builders really like to up
the compression ratio and trick out the engine as much as possible. For
me, I wanted a super reliable engine that I could fly across the
Atlantic Ocean. That meant and IO-540 with 8.5:1 compression (stock)
ratio piston. The pistons are also an upgrade from stock but I can't
remember the name right now. (It was about 5 months ago when I ordered
it) I really liked Bart at Aerosport. He was really upfront with me.
Here are all the options for his engine.
I am going to use a B&C alternator with their regulator, I added one
Lightspeed Plasma III electronic ignition and the other is a standard
mag. I asked Bart about the Port and Flow Match Cylinders and he said
that there isn't much gained from it. He felt that the Lycoming has
done a good job. He did mention that the Continental engines were a
little rough and may recommend smoothing them out but it just wasn't
worth the cost for the IO-540.
I bought the boost pump and filter assembly through Van's.
The paint options are Lycoming grey, gold, red, or black. I just went
with the grey.
You can get either an overhauled Bendix or a new Airflow fuel injector.
I actually went with the Bendix even though I think the Airflow is a
little better. The advantage of the Bendix is the availability of parts
at more airports. (which I hope I never need)
Bart has mentioned that IO-540 orders are going through the roof because
of the F-1 Rockets and RV-10's. It seems like he has already raised his
prices 1-2K already in the last couple of months.
The engine comes with new cylinders, valves, pistons, and many other
parts and uses a overhauled crank, cam and case (and probably a few
other parts). All the overhauled parts are within the "new" spec so
nothing is undersized. There is apparently a tolerance on new parts
from Lycoming and all of Barts parts are within that spec. He balances
all his injectors so that they all run very close in temperature and
also balances the crank. I feel really good about this engine and the
money I saved over a new one is pretty significant. Aerosport sells
loads of engines to RV builders so I'm sure there will be someone in
your local EAA chapter that can tell you about them. Just call him as
well if you have any questions. He is really easy to talk with.
540 Engine Options:
New Vacuum Pump $ 390.00 US
Denso 40 Amp Internally Regulated Alternator $ 225.00 US
Denso 80 Amp Internally Regulated Alternator $ 325.00 US
Sky-Tec Light Weight High Torque Starter add $ 220.00 US
Sky-Tec Light Weight Inline Starter add $ 220.00 US
Slick Start High Voltage Start Module $ 370.00 US
High Compression 9.2 to 1 pistons (parallel valve engines) add $
450.00 US
Port and Flow Match Cylinders per set add $ 750.00 US
Electric Boost Pump and Filter Assembly add $ 500.00 US
Reiff Preheat System Installed add $ 650.00 US
Reiff Sump Heater Installed add $ 200.00 US
Chrome Package add $ 350.00 US
Custom Paint add $ 150.00 US
6 Cylinder Electronic Ignitions
Light Speed Plasma II with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 805.00 US
Dual Light Speed Plasma II with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 1,560.00 US
Light Speed Plasma II Plus with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 945.00
US
Dual Light Speed Plasma
Plus with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 1,840.00 US
Light Speed Plasma III with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 1,185.00 US
Dual Light Speed Plasma III with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 2,320.00 US
Lasar Ignition add $ 1,950.00 US
Inverted Oil Systems
Inverted Oil Tank System with Mounts and Clamps $
455.00 US
Vacuum Pump Adapter $ 165.00 US
Sump Fittings Kit $ 175.00 US
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
McGough
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
<VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Scott can you tell me about the engine you got?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>
> Prop:
> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks.
I
> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems
with
> both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose
heavy
> with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage
compartment
> to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20
lbs.
> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But
with
> four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
> will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will
make
> this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
> bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the
mission
> you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
> people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the
batteries
> to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
> calculations.
>
> Panel:
> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying
about
> it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case,
I
> still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
> Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
> 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
> Trutrak ADI.
>
> Alternator:
> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
> and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
> that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is
$595.
> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator
back.
>
> Oxygen:
> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
> very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
> spending $7000 I figure.
>
> Grand Rapids:
> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They
said
> they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
> other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
> awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
> build in.
> - Hobbs meter (build in)
> - Altitude encoder (built in)
> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>
> Audio:
> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to
PS
> engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000.
I
> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
> with you get XM weather.
>
> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
> really have?
>
> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
> those of us stuck at work last week.
>
> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>
> John Cox
> At home at KUAO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>
> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>
> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
> and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
> if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
> gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
> all in one spot.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Wing Kit - Almost Complete
> QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance |
To keep things from moving at the wrong moment it should be possible to use a detent
to lock the sled in position. As a backup, a quick release pin can also
be used to insure nothing moves in flight.
George Costigan
-----Original Message-----
From: John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
That's a neat idea. You mean something on a lockable sled? Only issue
would be that stuff that moves or could move often does at the wrong moment.
You could have marks that correspond to a weight and balance program that
had the battery at different marked locations. Very nice idea.
John Jessen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weight & Balance
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
I'm just finishing the tail kit, but have also heard about Vans tossing some
shot in the back of the plane when the back seats are empty. One way that
I've thought of to deal with this (I seem to do quite a bit of daydreaming
while deburring and dimpling) is to put the battery(s) in two position
adjustable trays to compensate for the different CG conditions without
having to carry the extra weight. Any thoughts?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Apr 19, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
> Anyone with a Finish Kit plans set want to scan and post some of that
> Weight and Balance information? Scott's mention is the first I'd
> heard of a problem on the "too far aft" end, and it's making me
> nervous with my extra pounds of batteries in back for 24 volts . . .
>
> Thanks,
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chris , Susie
> McGough
> Sent: Tue 4/19/2005 6:51 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Scott can you tell me about the engine you got?
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
>> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>>
>> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
>> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
>> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>>
>> Prop:
>> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks.
>> I
>> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
>> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems
>> with both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is
>> nose heavy with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the
>> baggage compartment to make the plane fly with better control. The MT
>> prop is about 20 lbs.
>> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But
>> with four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the
>> RV-10 will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT
>> will make this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with
>> Van and he bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down
>> to the mission you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I
>> would guess 2-3 people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to
>> relocate the batteries to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going
>> to run some sample calculations.
>>
>> Panel:
>> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying
>> about it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in
>> case, I still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three
>> screen Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio,
>> GTX330, SL 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter,
>> airspeed, and Trutrak ADI.
>>
>> Alternator:
>> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive
>> alternator and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their
>> alternator regulator that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about
>> $160 and the B&C is $595.
>> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator
>> back.
>>
>> Oxygen:
>> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It
>> is very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
>> spending $7000 I figure.
>>
>> Grand Rapids:
>> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They
>> said they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all
>> of the other systems and they seem to have the best support. It
>> really is awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really
>> respect the
>> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
>> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
>> build in.
>> - Hobbs meter (build in)
>> - Altitude encoder (built in)
>> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
>> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
>> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>>
>> Audio:
>> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to
>> PS engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
>> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
>> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000.
>> I
>> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
>> with you get XM weather.
>>
>> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
>> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
>> really have?
>>
>> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>>
>>
>> Scott Schmidt
>> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W.
>> Cox
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
>> <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>>
>> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>> those of us stuck at work last week.
>>
>> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
>> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>>
>> John Cox
>> At home at KUAO
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>>
>> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>>
>> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away, and
>> it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see if we
>> can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to gather
>> together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders all in one
>> spot.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Wing Kit - Almost Complete
>> QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ====================================
> ====================================
>
>
> <winmail.dat>
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
Don't forget the TFT screens in the back seats for the DVD player.
I'm not super concerned about it though. With 60 gallons of gas and
four people, I'm sure someone will need a bathroom break within and hour
or two.
What I am considering right now though is using the MT prop which is
about 20 lbs lighter than the Hartzell, and then move one of my two
batteries to the firewall.
That should give me a good CG for one to three people. I may have add
weight to the front though if I get much heavier than that in the rear.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance
Sounds like a need to have a unique Operating Limitation with associated
placard to jettison first the baggage, then passengers one at a time as
necessary on downwind before trying a "Low Fuel Landing". Seriously
Scott, your calculated W&B along with Randy's (Mountain High O2 system)
and other who follow will have a large and important impact on
construction choices. Battery choice and location as well as placement
of the servos and optional equipment could make a huge difference. It
will be interested to see the numbers on the ECI IO-540 kit in a VANS
configuration once released. One comment Randy and Tim have both made
is the lack of Elevator response at the far limit when having only Front
Seat Loading. The Lancair IV found that the W&B moved appreciably with
Gear Extended v. Gear Retracted. Least that is not a factor with the
additional safety of a 10.
TDT, your calculations once Scott gives you data would be invaluable on
this subject.
John Cox
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance
I can do that tonight when I get home. Van did a good job showing all
the extremes. To exceed the aft CG limit, Van had 5 gallons of gas in
the plane, 4 people and 100 lbs of baggage. He was showing you an
example of being OK for takeoff but not within limits during landing.
Scott Schmidt
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
> I spent some time talking with lots of builders and got three quotes
> from other companies as well. Most engine builders really like to up
> the compression ratio and trick out the engine as much as possible. For
> me, I wanted a super reliable engine that I could fly across the
> Atlantic Ocean. That meant and IO-540 with 8.5:1 compression (stock)
I'm with you. In addition to the possibly reliability issues, there is the
reduced TBO that comes with higher compression. That translates directly into
increased operating costs, obviously.
I won't be crossing the Atlantic but I do want an engine that is never going to
cause a forced landing and one that is going to make a 2,000 hour TBO.
> Bart has mentioned that IO-540 orders are going through the roof because
> of the F-1 Rockets and RV-10's. It seems like he has already raised his
> prices 1-2K already in the last couple of months.
Bummer. I know they were quoting a base of $30K for their IO-540s a few months
ago. I hope it isn't going to go up too much in the next year or two before I
need an engine.
Re: the 360 - I was one of the builders interested in the lower-horsepower
engine for economy's sake but I happen to have changed my mind. I have been
flying a nice 2001 Skyhawk SP lately and my experience with its climb ability
at gross at moderate altitudes has convinced me that I want more than 210
normally-aspirated HP in the 10. Flying IFR regularly now, with its generally
higher altitudes, has opened my eyes a bit. Going up to 7,000 msl (I think
about 8,000 density alt) a few weeks ago, with 3 pax, near gross, the SP
struggled to make 400fpm toward the top. That's not good enough. With a gross
of about 2400lb with it's 180hp, we could expect a 2700-lb gross RV-10 with
210hp to perform quite similarly. Not good enough!
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
Hello, do you have a contact info for Aerosport? thanks. Rob.
On Apr 20, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
> I spent some time talking with lots of builders and got three quotes
> from other companies as well. Most engine builders really like to up
> the compression ratio and trick out the engine as much as possible.
> For
> me, I wanted a super reliable engine that I could fly across the
> Atlantic Ocean. That meant and IO-540 with 8.5:1 compression (stock)
> ratio piston. The pistons are also an upgrade from stock but I can't
> remember the name right now. (It was about 5 months ago when I ordered
> it) I really liked Bart at Aerosport. He was really upfront with me.
> Here are all the options for his engine.
> I am going to use a B&C alternator with their regulator, I added one
> Lightspeed Plasma III electronic ignition and the other is a standard
> mag. I asked Bart about the Port and Flow Match Cylinders and he said
> that there isn't much gained from it. He felt that the Lycoming has
> done a good job. He did mention that the Continental engines were a
> little rough and may recommend smoothing them out but it just wasn't
> worth the cost for the IO-540.
> I bought the boost pump and filter assembly through Van's.
> The paint options are Lycoming grey, gold, red, or black. I just went
> with the grey.
> You can get either an overhauled Bendix or a new Airflow fuel injector.
> I actually went with the Bendix even though I think the Airflow is a
> little better. The advantage of the Bendix is the availability of
> parts
> at more airports. (which I hope I never need)
>
> Bart has mentioned that IO-540 orders are going through the roof
> because
> of the F-1 Rockets and RV-10's. It seems like he has already raised
> his
> prices 1-2K already in the last couple of months.
>
> The engine comes with new cylinders, valves, pistons, and many other
> parts and uses a overhauled crank, cam and case (and probably a few
> other parts). All the overhauled parts are within the "new" spec so
> nothing is undersized. There is apparently a tolerance on new parts
> from Lycoming and all of Barts parts are within that spec. He balances
> all his injectors so that they all run very close in temperature and
> also balances the crank. I feel really good about this engine and the
> money I saved over a new one is pretty significant. Aerosport sells
> loads of engines to RV builders so I'm sure there will be someone in
> your local EAA chapter that can tell you about them. Just call him as
> well if you have any questions. He is really easy to talk with.
>
>
> 540 Engine Options:
> New Vacuum Pump $ 390.00 US
> Denso 40 Amp Internally Regulated Alternator $ 225.00 US
> Denso 80 Amp Internally Regulated Alternator $ 325.00 US
> Sky-Tec Light Weight High Torque Starter add $ 220.00 US
> Sky-Tec Light Weight Inline Starter add $ 220.00 US
> Slick Start High Voltage Start Module $ 370.00 US
> High Compression 9.2 to 1 pistons (parallel valve engines) add $
> 450.00 US
> Port and Flow Match Cylinders per set add $ 750.00 US
> Electric Boost Pump and Filter Assembly add $ 500.00 US
> Reiff Preheat System Installed add $ 650.00 US
> Reiff Sump Heater Installed add $ 200.00 US
> Chrome Package add $ 350.00 US
> Custom Paint add $ 150.00 US
>
>
> 6 Cylinder Electronic Ignitions
>
> Light Speed Plasma II with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 805.00 US
> Dual Light Speed Plasma II with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 1,560.00 US
> Light Speed Plasma II Plus with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 945.00
> US
> Dual Light Speed Plasma
> Plus with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 1,840.00 US
> Light Speed Plasma III with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 1,185.00 US
> Dual Light Speed Plasma III with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 2,320.00
> US
>
> Lasar Ignition add $ 1,950.00 US
>
>
> Inverted Oil Systems
>
> Inverted Oil Tank System with Mounts and Clamps $
> 455.00 US
> Vacuum Pump Adapter $ 165.00 US
> Sump Fittings Kit $ 175.00 US
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris ,
> Susie
> McGough
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Scott can you tell me about the engine you got?
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
>> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>>
>> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
>> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
>> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>>
>> Prop:
>> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks.
> I
>> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
>> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems
> with
>> both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose
> heavy
>> with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage
> compartment
>> to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20
> lbs.
>> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But
> with
>> four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
>> will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will
> make
>> this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
>> bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the
> mission
>> you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
>> people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the
> batteries
>> to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
>> calculations.
>>
>> Panel:
>> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying
> about
>> it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case,
> I
>> still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
>> Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330, SL
>> 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
>> Trutrak ADI.
>>
>> Alternator:
>> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive alternator
>> and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
>> that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is
> $595.
>> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator
> back.
>>
>> Oxygen:
>> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It is
>> very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
>> spending $7000 I figure.
>>
>> Grand Rapids:
>> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They
> said
>> they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
>> other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
>> awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect the
>> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With this
>> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
>> build in.
>> - Hobbs meter (build in)
>> - Altitude encoder (built in)
>> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
>> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
>> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>>
>> Audio:
>> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to
> PS
>> engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
>> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
>> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000.
> I
>> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
>> with you get XM weather.
>>
>> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
>> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
>> really have?
>>
>> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>>
>>
>> Scott Schmidt
>> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
> <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>>
>> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>> those of us stuck at work last week.
>>
>> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
>> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>>
>> John Cox
>> At home at KUAO
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>>
>> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>>
>> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
>> and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
>> if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
>> gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
>> all in one spot.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Wing Kit - Almost Complete
>> QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Hi guys just ordered emp kit after delivering my now X RV6 VH-MUM to the
other side of Australia!!
My kit number is 40388
Chris Do not archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Congrats.
Almost 400 now! Cool. I wonder if I have a builder # yet, since I've ordered
(tail & slo wing) but won't be having it shipped for a bit yet.
> My kit number is 40388
>
> Chris Do not archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Should be on your invoice . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht
Subject: Re: RV10-List: kit no 388
--> RV10-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Congrats.
Almost 400 now! Cool. I wonder if I have a builder # yet, since I've ordered
(tail & slo wing) but won't be having it shipped for a bit yet.
> My kit number is 40388
>
> Chris Do not archive
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Actually, no, I recall now that the space was blank, apparantly due to the
"deferred shipping".
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> Should be on your invoice . . .
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> TDT
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| Subject: | RE: -10 External Power |
I plan to add an external power jack. See pdf here:
http://members.core.com/~wcurtis/RV/RV10Electrical_v3a
It will be primarily for starting or charging the battery when the master switch
is engaged.
William
http://members.core.com/~wcurtis/RV/
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| Subject: | RE: -10 External Power |
Nice to see you made it home ok William. My wife and I really enjoyed dinner with
you and all of the other 10'ers. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William Curtis
Subject: RV10-List: RE: -10 External Power
I plan to add an external power jack. See pdf here:
http://members.core.com/~wcurtis/RV/RV10Electrical_v3a
It will be primarily for starting or charging the battery when the master switch
is engaged.
William
http://members.core.com/~wcurtis/RV/
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| Subject: | My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long) |
Their website is www.aerosportpower.com <http://www.aerosportpower.com/>
Their number is 1 250 376-2955
They are located in Kamloops Canada
When you order the engine you also have to pay for shipping (about $150
for me in Salt Lake City, crating is about $100, and customs in $75)
And just so you all know I don't work for them in any way. I met them
last year at Oshkosh and they seemed very nice and knowledgeable. They
also seemed to have a great reputation in the RV community.
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
Hello, do you have a contact info for Aerosport? thanks. Rob.
On Apr 20, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>
> I spent some time talking with lots of builders and got three quotes
> from other companies as well. Most engine builders really like to up
> the compression ratio and trick out the engine as much as possible.
> For
> me, I wanted a super reliable engine that I could fly across the
> Atlantic Ocean. That meant and IO-540 with 8.5:1 compression (stock)
> ratio piston. The pistons are also an upgrade from stock but I can't
> remember the name right now. (It was about 5 months ago when I ordered
> it) I really liked Bart at Aerosport. He was really upfront with me.
> Here are all the options for his engine.
> I am going to use a B&C alternator with their regulator, I added one
> Lightspeed Plasma III electronic ignition and the other is a standard
> mag. I asked Bart about the Port and Flow Match Cylinders and he said
> that there isn't much gained from it. He felt that the Lycoming has
> done a good job. He did mention that the Continental engines were a
> little rough and may recommend smoothing them out but it just wasn't
> worth the cost for the IO-540.
> I bought the boost pump and filter assembly through Van's.
> The paint options are Lycoming grey, gold, red, or black. I just went
> with the grey.
> You can get either an overhauled Bendix or a new Airflow fuel
injector.
> I actually went with the Bendix even though I think the Airflow is a
> little better. The advantage of the Bendix is the availability of
> parts
> at more airports. (which I hope I never need)
>
> Bart has mentioned that IO-540 orders are going through the roof
> because
> of the F-1 Rockets and RV-10's. It seems like he has already raised
> his
> prices 1-2K already in the last couple of months.
>
> The engine comes with new cylinders, valves, pistons, and many other
> parts and uses a overhauled crank, cam and case (and probably a few
> other parts). All the overhauled parts are within the "new" spec so
> nothing is undersized. There is apparently a tolerance on new parts
> from Lycoming and all of Barts parts are within that spec. He
balances
> all his injectors so that they all run very close in temperature and
> also balances the crank. I feel really good about this engine and the
> money I saved over a new one is pretty significant. Aerosport sells
> loads of engines to RV builders so I'm sure there will be someone in
> your local EAA chapter that can tell you about them. Just call him as
> well if you have any questions. He is really easy to talk with.
>
>
> 540 Engine Options:
> New Vacuum Pump $ 390.00 US
> Denso 40 Amp Internally Regulated Alternator $ 225.00 US
> Denso 80 Amp Internally Regulated Alternator $ 325.00 US
> Sky-Tec Light Weight High Torque Starter add $ 220.00 US
> Sky-Tec Light Weight Inline Starter add $ 220.00 US
> Slick Start High Voltage Start Module $ 370.00 US
> High Compression 9.2 to 1 pistons (parallel valve engines) add $
> 450.00 US
> Port and Flow Match Cylinders per set add $ 750.00 US
> Electric Boost Pump and Filter Assembly add $ 500.00 US
> Reiff Preheat System Installed add $ 650.00 US
> Reiff Sump Heater Installed add $ 200.00 US
> Chrome Package add $ 350.00 US
> Custom Paint add $ 150.00 US
>
>
> 6 Cylinder Electronic Ignitions
>
> Light Speed Plasma II with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 805.00 US
> Dual Light Speed Plasma II with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 1,560.00
US
> Light Speed Plasma II Plus with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 945.00
> US
> Dual Light Speed Plasma
> Plus with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 1,840.00 US
> Light Speed Plasma III with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 1,185.00 US
> Dual Light Speed Plasma III with Direct Crank Sensor add $ 2,320.00
> US
>
> Lasar Ignition add $ 1,950.00 US
>
>
> Inverted Oil Systems
>
> Inverted Oil Tank System with Mounts and Clamps $
> 455.00 US
> Vacuum Pump Adapter $ 165.00 US
> Sump Fittings Kit $ 175.00 US
>
> Scott Schmidt
> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris ,
> Susie
> McGough
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Scott can you tell me about the engine you got?
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
>> <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
>>
>> I just thought I would share a few things that I learned at Sun N Fun
>> this year. I just finished mounting the doors on my RV-10 and the
>> engine should be here next week from Aerosport.
>>
>> Prop:
>> I really want to use the MT 3 blade prop because of weight and looks.
> I
>> have been reviewing Van's weight and balance examples which come with
>> the finishing kit and I have found that there are actually problems
> with
>> both the MT and the Hartzell. With the Hartzell the plane is nose
> heavy
>> with one or two people. Van's puts some shot in the baggage
> compartment
>> to make the plane fly with better control. The MT prop is about 20
> lbs.
>> lighter and would be perfect for two to three person flights. But
> with
>> four people, full baggage, 100 lb. of luggage and low gas, the RV-10
>> will exceed its aft CG level with the Hartzell prop and the MT will
> make
>> this situation worse. So what do you do? I talked with Van and he
>> bases his decisions off of cost, but it really comes down to the
> mission
>> you are going to fly the most. And for most of us I would guess 2-3
>> people will be 80% of our missions. I may try to relocate the
> batteries
>> to the firewall with the MT prop. I'm going to run some sample
>> calculations.
>>
>> Panel:
>> WOW, that AeroCraft panel was nice and I have really been worrying
> about
>> it. We put down our $2500 deposit. Panel done!!! But just in case,
> I
>> still did some research on the panel. I am planning a three screen
>> Grand Rapids, TruTrak autopilot, Garmin 430, PS 8000 audio, GTX330,
SL
>> 40, throttle quadrant, AOA, backup 2 1/4" altimeter, airspeed, and
>> Trutrak ADI.
>>
>> Alternator:
>> I learned that the Van's alternator is a rebuilt automotive
alternator
>> and B&C has had problem blowing it up with their alternator regulator
>> that Knuckles talks about. The Van's is about $160 and the B&C is
> $595.
>> Price usually equals quality and I'm sending the Van's alternator
> back.
>>
>> Oxygen:
>> SkyOx seemed to have a great system for the price (about $500). It
is
>> very simple and seems like it will work great. It's better than
>> spending $7000 I figure.
>>
>> Grand Rapids:
>> Awesome system and with XM weather its only that much better. They
> said
>> they should have terrain within the year. I've looked at all of the
>> other systems and they seem to have the best support. It really is
>> awesome how is links with the TruTrak autopilot. I really respect
the
>> TruTrak guys and they say the Grand Rapids is best by far. With
this
>> system you don't need the following because it is either included or
>> build in.
>> - Hobbs meter (build in)
>> - Altitude encoder (built in)
>> - Shunt for amps (comes with it)
>> - It has built in switching between multiple GPS's and Nav radio
>> - dimming on multiple screens is done by adjusting just one screen
>>
>> Audio:
>> I was originally going to use the Garmin system but after talking to
> PS
>> engineering and many customers that have used both they say the
>> IntelliVox (auto squelch) is worth it's weight in gold. Plus it is
>> perfectly interchangeable with the Garmin. I plan on using the 8000.
> I
>> need to call Grand Rapids to see if XM radio comes with their system
>> with you get XM weather.
>>
>> I am one of those guys that have never flown in the RV-10 but I just
>> know it will be better than I can imagine. What other choice do you
>> really have?
>>
>> It was great to meet some of you and I'll look forward to Oshkosh.
>>
>>
>> Scott Schmidt
>> sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W.
Cox
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:12 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
> <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>>
>> Thank you for attending, reporting and posting the panel pictures for
>> those of us stuck at work last week.
>>
>> The excitement builds for Wisconsin in July and of course for Randy's
>> flyoff so Mani becomes correct. OSH '2005 the year of the RV-10.
>>
>> John Cox
>> At home at KUAO
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:03 AM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: My Sun-N-Fun Experience (Long)
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First of all, I did get to meet maybe 10 or 15 other RV-10 builders.
>>
>> One highlight of my trip was seeing the Aerocraft RV-10 panels.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/snfpanels/index.html
>>
>> I can't hardly wait for OSH this year. That show blows SNF away,
>> and it will absolutely be a good time for all who come. I'll see
>> if we can get more organized for OSH and have a better way to
>> gather together. It would be nice to have more -10 builders
>> all in one spot.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>> Wing Kit - Almost Complete
>> QB Fuse - Coming in < 2weeks
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Static System Connections |
"rv10-list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Regarding "plastic" tubing forced over a barbed connector. If you know a
plumber ask his opinion of direct bury polypropylene/barbed water mains.
They were the newest labor/cost saving items 20 years ago UNTIL the ends
started to split. (made a lot of repair plumbers rich) Some basics: Don't
heat & force plastic tubing onto barbs. (If it don't fit, don't force it)
Never screw a threaded plastic female end onto a metal male end. It's not
IF, only WHEN they will split. "Plastic" installed in a stress mode WILL
break, that's why we don't install canopies by bending them until they fit
and then anchoring them in stress. Just my not so humble opinion. KABONG
(GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
> Hi, Charlie. Your experience was same as mine - hot water. . . split 4
> days
> later.
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections
>> I'm with David,
>> I purchased the Vans static kit and installed it. By heating the 1/4"
>> plastic tubing in boiling water, with effort, I was able to get the
> plastic
>> tubing on the Tee fitting. Four days later, that cheap (import stuff, NOT
>> real Imperial Eastman Nyloflow) tubing split. I ripped it all out. I
>> replaced it with genuine Nyloflow tubing and fittings similar to what
> David
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Why not mount a plastic tank with a small pump both fore and aft. (Windshield
washer bottle / pump x2). One could pump a non flamable fluid to either end of
the aircraft to help with CG limits?
Comments?
Jim Combs
#40192
Fuel Tanks
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Static System Connections |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian" <av8er@bellsouth.net>
This is probably a dumb question...but what in the heck does "KABONG (GBA &
GWB)" mean???
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
<rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> Regarding "plastic" tubing forced over a barbed connector. If you know a
> plumber ask his opinion of direct bury polypropylene/barbed water mains.
> They were the newest labor/cost saving items 20 years ago UNTIL the ends
> started to split. (made a lot of repair plumbers rich) Some basics: Don't
> heat & force plastic tubing onto barbs. (If it don't fit, don't force it)
> Never screw a threaded plastic female end onto a metal male end. It's not
> IF, only WHEN they will split. "Plastic" installed in a stress mode WILL
> break, that's why we don't install canopies by bending them until they fit
> and then anchoring them in stress. Just my not so humble opinion. KABONG
> (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>>
>> Hi, Charlie. Your experience was same as mine - hot water. . . split 4
>> days
>> later.
>> David
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections
>>> I'm with David,
>>> I purchased the Vans static kit and installed it. By heating the 1/4"
>>> plastic tubing in boiling water, with effort, I was able to get the
>> plastic
>>> tubing on the Tee fitting. Four days later, that cheap (import stuff,
>>> NOT
>>> real Imperial Eastman Nyloflow) tubing split. I ripped it all out. I
>>> replaced it with genuine Nyloflow tubing and fittings similar to what
>> David
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: My Sun-N-Fun Experience |
>Nice to see you made it home ok William. My wife and
>I really enjoyed dinner with you and all of the other 10'ers.
> Randy
Thanks Randy,
It was great meeting you and the rest of the VXers also. I made it home about
1:30 AM Sunday morning after an interesting weekend.
After my demo flight in Plant City on Saturday, I got a ride back over to Lakeland.
Later that evening prior to departure from Plant City, I noticed a problem
with my nose gear door. While fixing it, a Bonanza suffered an engine failure
on takeoff and crashed. Fortunately none of the six passengers had a scratch.
The plane however was totaled. Nose gear collapsed, main gear pushed up
and crumpled both wings-not a pretty sight-but its only aluminum.
I departed Plant City on Saturday and spent the night in Jacksonville. I had asked
a friend to once again check Lost and Found on Sunday for my phone and thankfully,
they had it there. He lives about 60 miles west of Jacksonville in
Lake City, so I decided to wait until he returned from Lakeland since he had also
picked up the correct parts for my nose gear door.
I Departed Lake City Sunday evening for home. Stopped in Darlington County for
gas, then on to 47N. Somewhere over Richmond, VA the High/Low fuel pressure
light on my Electronics International fuel totalizer started flashing. Switching
to pressure mode on the Fuel Totalizer, the fuel pressure was VERY high and
climbing. The stock mechanical fuel flow gage, which is really a pressure gage,
was normal however and there was no change in the engine operation. I told
the controller of my problem and requested clearance to W96 to check on the
problem. He asked if I wanted to alert emergency services. I responded negative
since my mechanical indicator was reading normal and it was only the electronic
indicator which was reporting a problem.
I landed at W96 and found a light pole to park under and began to investigate.
No fuel smell, no leaking fuel out of the cowling. Removed cowling and verified
that no fuel was leaking anywhere. With the engine off, the electronic pressure
indicator was still indicating around 90 psi. Confident that this was
just a fuel pressure transducer malfunction, I put everything back together, did
an extensive run-up and then departed for home. It was quite an interesting
weekend.
William
#40237
http://members.core.com/~wcurtis/RV/
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| Subject: | Weight and Balance |
How about a header fuel tank forward and aft, or for those who plan to run 2 batteries
why not have a mounting tray in the engine compartment and another in
the tail? quick disconnects for the battery so that you can move it for the mission?
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| Subject: | Re: -10 external power. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: rv10@tpg.com.au
G'day all,
Quoting John Hasbrouck <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>:
> Seems an external power plug would
>
> be convenient, much easier than connecting a battery charger when you want
> to just sit in the plane and play. What do you all think?
I plan to do exactly that. The external power connector I plan to use will be
able to provide ground power,
charge the battery and also jump start the engine if necessary. I discussed this
recently on the Matronics
RV-List (1-2 weeks ago) and several people provided different ways of doing this.
Do a quick search and
you will find some other ideas.
After some thought and consultation with various people I also plan to do things
a little differently. I had
initially planned to use the Piper-style plug sold by ACS, however I have been
warned this is quite heavy.
The idea I have adopted is to mount one of these:
http://www.narva.com.au/Terminals_12.html
The 175amp plugs are $37 each as a store near me and have more than enough capacity.
I plan to mount
this on the baggage compartment bulkhead and plug it in through the baggage compartment
door,
eliminating unsightly plugs on the outside of my aircraft (I don't plan to have
external antennas, so having
an external socket seemed a shame!). By having the external cable terminate with
two jumper lead-style
clips I have a setup that I can use to charge, power and start the aircraft anywhere.
As far as wiring goes, I plan to use Electric Bob's wiring layout found here:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/grndpwr.pdf
Like anything to do with this hobby of ours, ask 10 different people and you will
get 10 different ideas.
This is just mine and is probably worth exactly what you paid for it!!!!
Have fun,
Scott Lewis
RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: RE: My Sun-N-Fun Experience |
William, glad you found your cell. Now I can call and expect you to answer. Hope
we didn't drop you off too far away from camp after dinner. My daughter thinks
of you when she sees anything yellow.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: William Curtis
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Cc: Randy@abros.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: My Sun-N-Fun Experience
>Nice to see you made it home ok William. My wife and
>I really enjoyed dinner with you and all of the other 10'ers.
> Randy
Thanks Randy,
It was great meeting you and the rest of the VX'ers also. I made it home about
1:30 AM Sunday morning after an interesting weekend.
After my demo flight in Plant City on Saturday, I got a ride back over to Lakeland.
Later that evening prior to departure from Plant City, I noticed a problem
with my nose gear door. While fixing it, a Bonanza suffered an engine failure
on takeoff and crashed. Fortunately none of the six passengers had a scratch.
The plane however was totaled. Nose gear collapsed, main gear pushed up and
crumpled both wings-not a pretty sight-but it's only aluminum.
I departed Plant City on Saturday and spent the night in Jacksonville. I had
asked a friend to once again check Lost and Found on Sunday for my phone and thankfully,
they had it there. He lives about 60 miles west of Jacksonville in
Lake City, so I decided to wait until he returned from Lakeland since he had also
picked up the correct parts for my nose gear door.
I Departed Lake City Sunday evening for home. Stopped in Darlington County for
gas, then on to 47N. Somewhere over Richmond, VA the High/Low fuel pressure
light on my Electronics International fuel totalizer started flashing. Switching
to pressure mode on the Fuel Totalizer, the fuel pressure was VERY high and
climbing. The stock mechanical fuel flow gage, which is really a pressure gage,
was normal however and there was no change in the engine operation. I told
the controller of my problem and requested clearance to W96 to check on the problem.
He asked if I wanted to alert emergency services. I responded negative
since my mechanical indicator was reading normal and it was only the electronic
indicator which was reporting a problem.
I landed at W96 and found a light pole to park under and began to investigate.
No fuel smell, no leaking fuel out of the cowling. Removed cowling and verified
that no fuel was leaking anywhere. With the engine off, the electronic pressure
indicator was still indicating around 90 psi. Confident that this was just
a fuel pressure transducer malfunction, I put everything back together, did
an extensive run-up and then departed for home. It was quite an interesting weekend.
William
#40237
http://members.core.com/~wcurtis/RV/
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