RV10-List Digest Archive

Fri 04/22/05


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 07:30 AM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (Rick)
     2. 09:44 AM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (matronix.rv10@4sythe.com)
     3. 10:14 AM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (Rick)
     4. 10:28 AM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
     5. 11:05 AM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (Jeff Carpenter)
     6. 11:11 AM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (Rick)
     7. 03:38 PM - builder (Robert G. Wright)
     8. 04:45 PM - Duckworks lights - Is one HID enough? (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
     9. 05:10 PM - Re: builder (James Hein)
    10. 05:24 PM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (Tim Olson)
    11. 07:39 PM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    12. 09:23 PM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (Stein Bruch)
    13. 10:01 PM - Re: HS Nose Ribs (JOHN STARN)
    14. 10:12 PM - Re: Duckworks lights - Is one HID enough? (Bill McCoy)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:30:57 AM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: HS Nose Ribs
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Michael, If I had to do it again I would get somebody to help. My arms were pretty sore and brusied up after doing those HS skins. When I was almost done fellow -10 builder John Erickson came over and we finished the rest without even breaking a sweat. I was lucky not to have made any smileys. Other than the fact I use a mushroom set with a rubber lip that keeps it in place, It isn't the swivel type, I have managed to develop a good feel for balancing the bucking bar on top of the rivet by feel, sorta teeterer tottering while concentrating on the rivet set. Be careful not to let the bar touch the skin or you'll get the infamous reverse smiley. You will get de'jevu when you get to the leading edge wing skins and tanks. Bottom line is take your time, make sure the bar is not touching the skins and the rivet set is flush on the skin. Don't be in a big hurry to fire off the gun. Slow taps to start seem to work just as well as a suicide burst. Rick S. 40185 Wings


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    Time: 09:44:54 AM PST US
    Subject: HS Nose Ribs
    From: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
    --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Does anyone have recommendations on fixing a smiley after it is already there? I have one right near the front HS spar where the bucking bar slipped off of the rivet. The indention is very noticeable and I'm not sure if it should be filled in before final priming and painting or if I should address it before that. How much should I worry about this and is there any impact on structural integrity? Thoughts/Ideas? Kent Forsythe FORTECH, LLC 8919 Brookside Ave. Suite 201 West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.759.2000 voice 513.759.2001 fax -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Michael, If I had to do it again I would get somebody to help. My arms were pretty sore and brusied up after doing those HS skins. When I was almost done fellow -10 builder John Erickson came over and we finished the rest without even breaking a sweat. I was lucky not to have made any smileys. Other than the fact I use a mushroom set with a rubber lip that keeps it in place, It isn't the swivel type, I have managed to develop a good feel for balancing the bucking bar on top of the rivet by feel, sorta teeterer tottering while concentrating on the rivet set. Be careful not to let the bar touch the skin or you'll get the infamous reverse smiley. You will get de'jevu when you get to the leading edge wing skins and tanks. Bottom line is take your time, make sure the bar is not touching the skins and the rivet set is flush on the skin. Don't be in a big hurry to fire off the gun. Slow taps to start seem to work just as well as a suicide burst. Rick S. 40185 Wings


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    Time: 10:14:42 AM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: HS Nose Ribs
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> From what I understand as long as it isn't cracked or punctured you should be able to fill and sand as part of the prep for paint. On other RV's I have seen smileys just painted over, other who had none visible said that they had used body filler to cover them up. I would think it would take a heck of a hit to cause enough damage to be considered structural. I looked it up in the practices and standards but could not find dents addresed as much as crack and application of patches over damaged areas. I know there are a few A & P types building and lurking that might have some more insight. They always look worse than they are, especially on nice shiny alumium. I have experimented on my VS by fine sanding, which takes away the look of it being so severe, followed by a dab of Rage Gold filler, fine sanding and primer ...the dent is history. So...only you will be the one losing sleep over it. I'm sure there are many more to come if not from riveting then hanger rash, large bugs and drooling spectators. Rick S. 40185 Wings


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    Time: 10:28:21 AM PST US
    Subject: HS Nose Ribs
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com> Feather and fill, you will have to do this many times, at least that's what I have been told, I was really worried about smileys, and everyone I have talked with says you will fill it, feather it, prime and paint. I say ok, but what do I fill it with? I have heard bondo contracts and will eventually crack, What should we use to make minor cosmetic fixes? Dumb question, I know, but like everything else I have learned building this plane, there is probably an easier answer then I am coming up with. Dan 40269 -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Does anyone have recommendations on fixing a smiley after it is already there? I have one right near the front HS spar where the bucking bar slipped off of the rivet. The indention is very noticeable and I'm not sure if it should be filled in before final priming and painting or if I should address it before that. How much should I worry about this and is there any impact on structural integrity? Thoughts/Ideas? Kent Forsythe FORTECH, LLC 8919 Brookside Ave. Suite 201 West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.759.2000 voice 513.759.2001 fax -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Michael, If I had to do it again I would get somebody to help. My arms were pretty sore and brusied up after doing those HS skins. When I was almost done fellow -10 builder John Erickson came over and we finished the rest without even breaking a sweat. I was lucky not to have made any smileys. Other than the fact I use a mushroom set with a rubber lip that keeps it in place, It isn't the swivel type, I have managed to develop a good feel for balancing the bucking bar on top of the rivet by feel, sorta teeterer tottering while concentrating on the rivet set. Be careful not to let the bar touch the skin or you'll get the infamous reverse smiley. You will get de'jevu when you get to the leading edge wing skins and tanks. Bottom line is take your time, make sure the bar is not touching the skins and the rivet set is flush on the skin. Don't be in a big hurry to fire off the gun. Slow taps to start seem to work just as well as a suicide burst. Rick S. 40185 Wings


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    Time: 11:05:39 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
    Subject: Re: HS Nose Ribs
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> Hi Kent, The only impact is on your ego. Bondo will hide it... or you can just consider it an RV birth mark. Jeff Carpenter 40304 On Apr 22, 2005, at 9:30 AM, matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com > > Does anyone have recommendations on fixing a smiley after it is already > there? I have one right near the front HS spar where the bucking bar > slipped off of the rivet. The indention is very noticeable and I'm not > sure if it should be filled in before final priming and painting or if > I > should address it before that. How much should I worry about this and > is there any impact on structural integrity? > > Thoughts/Ideas? > > Kent Forsythe > FORTECH, LLC > 8919 Brookside Ave. > Suite 201 > West Chester, Ohio 45069 > > 513.759.2000 voice > 513.759.2001 fax > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. > com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:16 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> > > Michael, > > If I had to do it again I would get somebody to help. My arms were > pretty sore and brusied up after doing those HS skins. When I was > almost > done fellow -10 builder John Erickson came over and we finished the > rest > without even breaking a sweat. I was lucky not to have made any > smileys. > Other than the fact I use a mushroom set with a rubber lip that keeps > it > in place, It isn't the swivel type, I have managed to develop a good > feel for balancing the bucking bar on top of the rivet by feel, sorta > teeterer tottering while concentrating on the rivet set. Be careful not > to let the bar touch the skin or you'll get the infamous reverse > smiley. > You will get de'jevu when you get to the leading edge wing skins and > tanks. Bottom line is take your time, make sure the bar is not touching > the skins and the rivet set is flush on the skin. Don't be in a big > hurry to fire off the gun. Slow taps to start seem to work just as well > as a suicide burst. > > Rick S. > 40185 > Wings > >


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    Time: 11:11:35 AM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: HS Nose Ribs
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> I have used bondo's spot putty over straight body filler or even by itself it should be OK for a small, shallow ding, it's a finer blend/grade of filling material and should adhere if the metal is squeaky clean and preped. Regular plastic body filer is a bit too coarse of a material for small dings. It tends not to dans to a nice feathered edge you need on a smiley. The final feather should be accomplished by a filler type of sandable primer wet sanded. I think this conversation is going to start tiny little flames heading our/my way, everyones got their own method...I like to hear what others have perfected as well. Rick S. 40185 Wings


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    Time: 03:38:42 PM PST US
    From: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
    Subject: builder
    All, Vans has started inputting all the orders from SNF. My tail kit went to crating yesterday; it should ship early next week.do I dare expect local pickup by next Friday??? Rob #40392 Awaiting tail kit inventory


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    Time: 04:45:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Duckworks lights - Is one HID enough?
    John, I think a great solution is, as you mention, using the Van's RV-10 Tip Lights connected to an alternating flash device, then using an HID in the left wing or both wings to get maximum visibility for taxi/landing. It seems like one would be enough, but some will want 2 HID. Since they draw so little current (~3.5amps), 2 of them are less than a single 100W Halogen. You could install one Round HID and one Round 100W halogen initially, and upgrading to the second HID later would be a very easy task. For those who want to locate and try some other lamp, we can supply an install kit with a rectangular or round mount and all other hardware. Other than determining how to get your lamp into our mount, this will save you a ton of effort and ensure a clean installation. The Duck ________________________________
    From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Subject: RE: RV10-List: Duckworks lights for the 10 As per your suggestion, I've decided to go with the standard wing tip lights for the -10 to be used as flashers, with HID for taxi, etc. Do you suggest one or two HID? I've not seen them in use. John Jessen ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:05 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Duckworks lights for the 10 =09 =09 In case you all have not heard.... Dan Lloyd, the new RV-10 kits are completed and ready for order now! I don't have the website updated yet, but any orders I receive before the update will be at the same prices as for the RV-4/6/7/8 kits. We will carry the 55w, 100w, and HID for the RV-10, but once the website is updated the HID will only be available thru Van's, with a small price increase, due to the increased parts count in the new kits. The 55w and 100w will continue to be available on our website for direct order. Note that the kits are basically the same as for the other RVs, the primary difference being an improved lens mounting method that will insure a tighter fit to the skin, and eliminates holes in the lens which were an occasional source of cracking. Sincerely, Duckworks


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    Time: 05:10:46 PM PST US
    d="scan'208"; a="751119408:sNHT28476496"
    From: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
    Subject: Re: builder
    --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net> Robert, I sent my order in on the 1st, it was in crating on the 8th, and it was in my workshop on the 20th, started working on it today, the 22nd. (What have I gotten myself into?!? ) I live in eastern MA, so it is almost as far from Vans as you can expect. Also, the freight companies are charging 13.9% fuel surcharge !!! -Jim (#40384) Robert G. Wright wrote: > All, > > Vans has started inputting all the orders from SNF. > > My tail kit went to crating yesterday; it should ship early next > weekdo I dare expect local pickup by next Friday??? > > Rob > > #40392 > > Awaiting tail kit inventory >


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    Time: 05:24:05 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: HS Nose Ribs
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> OK, I'm going to try not to look like an idiot here but... I've always wondered when people talk about smileys, are they talking about when the rivet head itself gets the curved marks on it, or is this when your mushroom set starts to angle a bit and you end up with a curved ring the size of a quarter around the rivet area. I've also had it happen when I've bounced off the edge of a rib when doing a skin, and ended up with a slight dent where the rib stops supporting the skin. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com > > Does anyone have recommendations on fixing a smiley after it is already > there? I have one right near the front HS spar where the bucking bar > slipped off of the rivet. The indention is very noticeable and I'm not > sure if it should be filled in before final priming and painting or if I > should address it before that. How much should I worry about this and > is there any impact on structural integrity? > > Thoughts/Ideas? > > Kent Forsythe > FORTECH, LLC > 8919 Brookside Ave. > Suite 201 > West Chester, Ohio 45069 > > 513.759.2000 voice > 513.759.2001 fax > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. > com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:16 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> > > Michael, > > If I had to do it again I would get somebody to help. My arms were > pretty sore and brusied up after doing those HS skins. When I was almost > done fellow -10 builder John Erickson came over and we finished the rest > without even breaking a sweat. I was lucky not to have made any smileys. > Other than the fact I use a mushroom set with a rubber lip that keeps it > in place, It isn't the swivel type, I have managed to develop a good > feel for balancing the bucking bar on top of the rivet by feel, sorta > teeterer tottering while concentrating on the rivet set. Be careful not > to let the bar touch the skin or you'll get the infamous reverse smiley. > You will get de'jevu when you get to the leading edge wing skins and > tanks. Bottom line is take your time, make sure the bar is not touching > the skins and the rivet set is flush on the skin. Don't be in a big > hurry to fire off the gun. Slow taps to start seem to work just as well > as a suicide burst. > > Rick S. > 40185 > Wings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:39:59 PM PST US
    Subject: HS Nose Ribs
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    It would appear both. Having just generated a few from the mushroom set myself, I can definatly see how those could be called smileys. I believe the original term was from the 426 sets not being on center causing the semi-circle on the rivets themselves. Just my 2 cents. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> OK, I'm going to try not to look like an idiot here but... I've always wondered when people talk about smileys, are they talking about when the rivet head itself gets the curved marks on it, or is this when your mushroom set starts to angle a bit and you end up with a curved ring the size of a quarter around the rivet area. I've also had it happen when I've bounced off the edge of a rib when doing a skin, and ended up with a slight dent where the rib stops supporting the skin. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com > > Does anyone have recommendations on fixing a smiley after it is > already there? I have one right near the front HS spar where the > bucking bar slipped off of the rivet. The indention is very > noticeable and I'm not sure if it should be filled in before final > priming and painting or if I should address it before that. How much > should I worry about this and is there any impact on structural integrity? > > Thoughts/Ideas? > > Kent Forsythe > FORTECH, LLC > 8919 Brookside Ave. > Suite 201 > West Chester, Ohio 45069 > > 513.759.2000 voice > 513.759.2001 fax > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. > com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:16 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> > > Michael, > > If I had to do it again I would get somebody to help. My arms were > pretty sore and brusied up after doing those HS skins. When I was > almost done fellow -10 builder John Erickson came over and we finished > the rest without even breaking a sweat. I was lucky not to have made any smileys. > Other than the fact I use a mushroom set with a rubber lip that keeps > it in place, It isn't the swivel type, I have managed to develop a > good feel for balancing the bucking bar on top of the rivet by feel, > sorta teeterer tottering while concentrating on the rivet set. Be > careful not to let the bar touch the skin or you'll get the infamous reverse smiley. > You will get de'jevu when you get to the leading edge wing skins and > tanks. Bottom line is take your time, make sure the bar is not > touching the skins and the rivet set is flush on the skin. Don't be in > a big hurry to fire off the gun. Slow taps to start seem to work just > as well as a suicide burst. > > Rick S. > 40185 > Wings > >


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    Time: 09:23:47 PM PST US
    d="scan'217,208"; a="239829009:sNHT30842474"
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: HS Nose Ribs
    RE: RV10-List: HS Nose RibsAcutally, "smileys" aren't really known as a phenomenon on flush rivets at all. Dents from your mushroom set should be called that, dents. If they happen to be in a semi-cirlce then you have something like a "giant smiley" on the metal, but not really on the rivet. "Traditional" smileys are from button head rivets (470's) when you have the rivet set off to the side when shooting, it leaves a really nice, little smile on the rivet head. Depending on how bad your screw up was, it may be a minor smile, or I've seen them where they've almost sliced the rivet head in half (yikes)! Anyway, just wanted to clear that up! Been around rivets for awhile now, from little RV's to 747's (and lot's of stuff in between) and that's what I've been exposed to. Cheers, Stein -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:22 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs It would appear both. Having just generated a few from the mushroom set myself, I can definatly see how those could be called smileys. I believe the original term was from the 426 sets not being on center causing the semi-circle on the rivets themselves. Just my 2 cents. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 7:06 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> OK, I'm going to try not to look like an idiot here but... I've always wondered when people talk about smileys, are they talking about when the rivet head itself gets the curved marks on it, or is this when your mushroom set starts to angle a bit and you end up with a curved ring the size of a quarter around the rivet area. I've also had it happen when I've bounced off the edge of a rib when doing a skin, and ended up with a slight dent where the rib stops supporting the skin. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com > > Does anyone have recommendations on fixing a smiley after it is > already there? I have one right near the front HS spar where the > bucking bar slipped off of the rivet. The indention is very > noticeable and I'm not sure if it should be filled in before final > priming and painting or if I should address it before that. How much > should I worry about this and is there any impact on structural integrity? > > Thoughts/Ideas? > > Kent Forsythe > FORTECH, LLC > 8919 Brookside Ave. > Suite 201 > West Chester, Ohio 45069 > > 513.759.2000 voice > 513.759.2001 fax > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. > com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:16 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: HS Nose Ribs > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> > > Michael, > > If I had to do it again I would get somebody to help. My arms were > pretty sore and brusied up after doing those HS skins. When I was > almost done fellow -10 builder John Erickson came over and we finished > the rest without even breaking a sweat. I was lucky not to have made any smileys. > Other than the fact I use a mushroom set with a rubber lip that keeps > it in place, It isn't the swivel type, I have managed to develop a > good feel for balancing the bucking bar on top of the rivet by feel, > sorta teeterer tottering while concentrating on the rivet set. Be > careful not to let the bar touch the skin or you'll get the infamous reverse smiley. > You will get de'jevu when you get to the leading edge wing skins and > tanks. Bottom line is take your time, make sure the bar is not > touching the skins and the rivet set is flush on the skin. Don't be in > a big hurry to fire off the gun. Slow taps to start seem to work just > as well as a suicide burst. > > Rick S. > 40185 > Wings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==================================== RV10-List Email Forum - more: bsp; s.com/Navigator?RV10-List ====================================


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    Time: 10:01:22 PM PST US
    From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: HS Nose Ribs
    RE: RV10-List: HS Nose RibsYES... There are no stupid questions. As my ole pappy usta say "It's better to ask a question & maybe look foolish for a second, than not ask it and remain ignorant for the rest of your life". KABONG 8*) (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive I've always wondered when people talk about smileys, are they talking about when the rivet head itself gets the curved marks on it, or is this when your mushroom set starts to angle a bit and you end up with a curved ring the size of a quarter around the rivet area. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170


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    Time: 10:12:53 PM PST US
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    From: Bill McCoy <hoverlover9797@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Duckworks lights - Is one HID enough?
    Hello, I saw your post on the list and wonder what it the cost for the install kit without the hid? I want to build them into the wings now and add the hid's later. Thanks Mark #167. Also do you take paypal or credit cards? Thanks again "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com> wrote:John, I think a great solution is, as you mention, using the Van's RV-10 Tip Lights connected to an alternating flash device, then using an HID in the left wing or both wings to get maximum visibility for taxi/landing. It seems like one would be enough, but some will want 2 HID. Since they draw so little current (~3.5amps), 2 of them are less than a single 100W Halogen. You could install one Round HID and one Round 100W halogen initially, and upgrading to the second HID later would be a very easy task. For those who want to locate and try some other lamp, we can supply an install kit with a rectangular or round mount and all other hardware. Other than determining how to get your lamp into our mount, this will save you a ton of effort and ensure a clean installation. The Duck --------------------------------- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Subject: RE: RV10-List: Duckworks lights for the 10 As per your suggestion, I've decided to go with the standard wing tip lights for the -10 to be used as flashers, with HID for taxi, etc. Do you suggest one or two HID? I've not seen them in use. John Jessen --------------------------------- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Subject: RV10-List: Duckworks lights for the 10 In case you all have not heard. Dan Lloyd, the new RV-10 kits are completed and ready for order now! I don't have the website updated yet, but any orders I receive before the update will be at the same prices as for the RV-4/6/7/8 kits. We will carry the 55w, 100w, and HID for the RV-10, but once the website is updated the HID will only be available thru Van's, with a small price increase, due to the increased parts count in the new kits. The 55w and 100w will continue to be available on our website for direct order. Note that the kits are basically the same as for the other RVs, the primary difference being an improved lens mounting method that will insure a tighter fit to the skin, and eliminates holes in the lens which were an occasional source of cracking. Sincerely, Duckworks ---------------------------------




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