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1. 12:09 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 06:28 AM - Ethanol in an IO-540 (Tim Olson)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Demo Flight and Questions (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: Demo Flight and Questions (LessDragProd@aol.com)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: Demo Flight and Questions (Randy DeBauw)
6. 08:08 AM - RV Stats (Jim Combs)
7. 10:05 AM - Re: RV Stats (John W. Cox)
8. 10:16 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
9. 10:47 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition (Wentz, Don)
10. 11:15 AM - Re: Q-Build Kit 4 Sale (Jay Rowe)
11. 11:45 AM - Re: empennage extras... (Randy DeBauw)
12. 12:05 PM - Re: empennage extras... (James Ochs)
13. 03:27 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition (Mark Chamberlain)
14. 04:00 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition (Randy DeBauw)
15. 06:47 PM - Opinion of flap positioning systems (Robin Wessel)
16. 07:34 PM - [ Mike Holland ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
17. 08:40 PM - Re: Demo Flight and Questions (Tim Olson)
18. 08:41 PM - Re: Opinion of flap positioning systems (Tim Olson)
19. 08:59 PM - Re: Demo Flight and Questions (Rene)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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| Subject: | Ethanol in an IO-540 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
From today's Avweb:
Very interesting to see the IO-540 mentioned. Gives me a little more
hope for the long long term futre...
"What About Ethanol?
The high price of avgas has a Brazilian plane-maker turning to
alcohol. Neiva, a subsidiary of Embraer, delivered the world's first
production model ethanol-powered crop duster in March and has plans to
build 70 more this year. For 30 years, Brazil has been developing
ethanol-fueled vehicles to reduce dependence on oil imports and at least
a third of all cars produced there can run on alcohol. There are about
400 aircraft adapted to run on ethanol but the EMB 202 Ipanema is the
first certified production aircraft. It's powered by a Lycoming IO-540.
While Brazil lacks oil resources, it does have the ability to grow huge
amounts of sugar cane, from which the ethanol is produced at about a
quarter the cost of gasoline, which now runs at about $7 a gallon in
Brazil. The ethanol-powered Ipanema costs about $14,000 more than the
avgas version but the fuel savings, plus the greater durability and what
the company claims is a 7-percent increase in power output from the
modified engine, makes up for the higher initial cost. Neiva director
Acir Padiha also noted that ethanol pollutes less and is a renewable
resource, assuming you have the land and climate to grow millions of
acres of sugar cane. The company is now planning to convert
six-passenger Sertanejo and Minuano aircraft to ethanol. "
Tim
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| Subject: | Demo Flight and Questions |
Rene,
More to consider:
strobe power supply in wing tips or in fuselage?
Antennae location =96 forget which is OK in the wings tips, but either Comm or
VOR is OK.
Magnotemeter location.
Aileron Servo
Mich=E8le
RV8 - fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Subject: RV10-List: Demo Flight and Questions
OK, I just got some free time (I should be sleeping) and here is my quick
report on the demo flight. I have to admit that I was way to excited to
remember all the details.
First I have to take my hat off to Vans, I was in Oregon for my wife=92s
birthday and really only had one chance to drop by. I was in route between
Coos Bay and Astoria with a pregnant wife and an 18 month old. We had to
stop to see other people on the way and as you would expect we were running
late. I called Vans on the phone and asked if I could get a late demo
flight, they said if I could make it there by 3:30, ok. The GPS showed me
making it there at 3:33, so I gave it a little more gas and just made it
there in time. They had the plane pulled out and ready to go.
I had never flown in any RV before, so this was a treat.
As reported before, acceleration put me in the seat and the climb out was at
1500 FPM and what looked like 110 MPH. We were not at max power, once the
climb was established he reduced the power. I think this has all been
reported before.
Pitch forces (movement of the stick) greater than roll, but I found it very
comfortable. I was being way to gentle with the turns, so he had me do a
couple hard right to hard left turns.
The stall demo only went to a buffet and it appeared to not have any
noticeable wing drop. He did say that if we had more weight in the back the
airplane would break and not just buffet.
I can not remember who, but someone asked about turbulence. He did pass
through a very small area of very light turbulence and it did feel like the
tail wondered a little. But, I was looking for that so it might have been
my over active imagination.
I followed a twin back into the strip and we had to pull back on the power
to keep the speed down during a very slow decent.
Landing was great, ~500 feet with moderate braking.
Someone was asking about antennas on the Vans A/C, I looked and all I saw
was one com and one transponder (My guess) on the belly. The ELT was in the
tail.
I am really motivated to get my built and in the air, I still have a grin on
my face and know I have made the right decision.
I do have a couple of questions for those of you who have blazed the trail
ahead of me. I am just finishing up the Emp kit and have received my wing
kit. Here are the questions.
I know that some of my decisions affect how I build the wings, but I am not
sure I know all the decisions I have to make. Here is a list of what I
think affects the wing build process, are there any others.
Things I have decided.
IFR A/C
Heated Pitot Tube
AOA
Low Fuel Warning Light
(Have not decided on fuel gage sensor, don=92t really understand the pros and
cons)
Went with Vans light package 6
Went with Vans landing light
(Have not made the antenna decision, need more input)
Is there anything else I need to think about before I go head long into the
wings?
Thanks in advance for inputs.
Rene'
40322
N423CF
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | Re: Demo Flight and Questions |
The Sportcraft wingtip VOR antenna is the best NAV antenna available.
It's the Sportcraft wingtip COM antenna that just works OK.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 05/02/2005 7:18:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
michele.delsol@microsigma.fr writes:
Rene,
(Stuff Cut)Antennae location =E2=80=93 forget which is OK in the wings tips, but
either Comm or VOR is OK.
(Stuff Cut)
Mich=C3=A8le
RV8 - fuselage
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| Subject: | Demo Flight and Questions |
Looks like you have it covered as far as the wings. When you make the decision
on the wing antennas I may be able to help you out. I have 3 antennas in my wing
tips. All of them are Bob Archers. I will know in next few weeks about the
quality and range of the antennas in the tips. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rene
Subject: RV10-List: Demo Flight and Questions
OK, I just got some free time (I should be sleeping) and here is my quick report
on the demo flight. I have to admit that I was way to excited to remember all
the details.
First I have to take my hat off to Vans, I was in Oregon for my wife's birthday
and really only had one chance to drop by. I was in route between Coos Bay and
Astoria with a pregnant wife and an 18 month old. We had to stop to see other
people on the way and as you would expect we were running late. I called
Vans on the phone and asked if I could get a late demo flight, they said if I
could make it there by 3:30, ok. The GPS showed me making it there at 3:33, so
I gave it a little more gas and just made it there in time. They had the plane
pulled out and ready to go.
I had never flown in any RV before, so this was a treat.
As reported before, acceleration put me in the seat and the climb out was at 1500
FPM and what looked like 110 MPH. We were not at max power, once the climb
was established he reduced the power. I think this has all been reported before.
Pitch forces (movement of the stick) greater than roll, but I found it very comfortable.
I was being way to gentle with the turns, so he had me do a couple
hard right to hard left turns.
The stall demo only went to a buffet and it appeared to not have any noticeable
wing drop. He did say that if we had more weight in the back the airplane would
break and not just buffet.
I can not remember who, but someone asked about turbulence. He did pass through
a very small area of very light turbulence and it did feel like the tail wondered
a little. But, I was looking for that so it might have been my over active
imagination.
I followed a twin back into the strip and we had to pull back on the power to keep
the speed down during a very slow decent.
Landing was great, ~500 feet with moderate braking.
Someone was asking about antennas on the Vans A/C, I looked and all I saw was one
com and one transponder (My guess) on the belly. The ELT was in the tail.
I am really motivated to get my built and in the air, I still have a grin on my
face and know I have made the right decision.
I do have a couple of questions for those of you who have blazed the trail ahead
of me. I am just finishing up the Emp kit and have received my wing kit. Here
are the questions.
I know that some of my decisions affect how I build the wings, but I am not sure
I know all the decisions I have to make. Here is a list of what I think affects
the wing build process, are there any others.
Things I have decided.
IFR A/C
Heated Pitot Tube
AOA
Low Fuel Warning Light
(Have not decided on fuel gage sensor, don't really understand the pros and cons)
Went with Vans light package 6
Went with Vans landing light
(Have not made the antenna decision, need more input)
Is there anything else I need to think about before I go head long into the wings?
Thanks in advance for inputs.
Rene'
40322
N423CF
801-721-6080
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
For what it is worth, I have been tracking the completed aircraft
numbers on a weekly basis for the last two years. These
numbers are based on what is reported on the "Hobbs Meter"
of Van's web site.
Some interesting trends:
Total number of aircraft completed in 2004 --> 460
Completed aircraft, First 4 months of 2004 --> 91
Completed aircraft, First 4 months of 2005 --> 144
Or looking at the number of aircraft per day:
Number of completed aircraft per day in 2004 --> 0.93
Number of completed aircraft per day in 2005 --> 1.38
(6 month running average as of May 1 each year)
Completion Rate per day in 2004 --> 1.09
Completion Rate per day in 2005 --> 1.90
(4 week running average as of May 1 each year)
Wow - Lots of activity!
Jim Combs
#40192
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Jim, another interesting perspective for a Monday morning. VAN's has
generated about 40 million dollars of aviation economic development with
the RV-10 release. Using $100K per aircraft with 400 kits now sold.
That is not shabby for just 21 months. Maybe 45 or 50 Million by OSH
'05. The avionics and engine manufacturers should take note.
John - KUAO
Motel 10
"do not archive"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: RV10-List: RV Stats
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
For what it is worth, I have been tracking the completed aircraft
numbers on a weekly basis for the last two years. These
numbers are based on what is reported on the "Hobbs Meter"
of Van's web site.
Some interesting trends:
Total number of aircraft completed in 2004 --> 460
Completed aircraft, First 4 months of 2004 --> 91
Completed aircraft, First 4 months of 2005 --> 144
Or looking at the number of aircraft per day:
Number of completed aircraft per day in 2004 --> 0.93
Number of completed aircraft per day in 2005 --> 1.38
(6 month running average as of May 1 each year)
Completion Rate per day in 2004 --> 1.09
Completion Rate per day in 2005 --> 1.90
(4 week running average as of May 1 each year)
Wow - Lots of activity!
Jim Combs
#40192
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| Subject: | Electronic Ignition |
I have to finish the doors before weight. I have everything in primer as of Sunday
night. Paint by the end of the week. Weights by this weekend and inspection
late next week hopefully. It has been said before that you are 90% done and
90% to go but what a ride. Randy
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Electronic Ignition
Randy:
Have you weighed your plane yet? How close to Van's empty weight and/or CG were
you?
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Wayne Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Electronic Ignition
I'm not sure how close you are to completing your project but you might want to
take a look at the following web site for E Mag Electronic Ignition.
http://www.emagair.com/E-MAG_product_page.htm
They currently aren't able to supply these for the 540 but I talked to them and
they say it's one of their high priorities to get it ready for the 540. It appears
to be a very straight forward system and solves a lot of problems.
I'm not the greatest mechanic, so I've been asking people who are a lot better
than me about elec ignition. I was told that the Light Speed is complicated to
install. The LASAR was easier to install with more advantages but as you noted
much more expensive.
I talked to Bart at AeroSport engines about elec ignition and he recommended, for
what my needs are for my 10, that the Light Speed Plasma II Plus would be
what I should use if I chose Light Speed. They say you will have better performance,
because of hotter spark, better fuel efficiency and starting and your
spark plugs will supposedly last longer.
Again my disclaimer on all of this is I'm currently in the research and learning
mode so read my thoughts with that in mind.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
Subject: RV10-List: Electronic Ignition
We are trying to decide whether we get our MAG's rebuilt or to replace one with
a Lightspeed. The LASAR electronic ignition is a little on the expensive and
complicated side, so we would rather stay away from that.
What are the benefits of the Lightspeed? Which model would you recommend? What
kind of added performance can we expect on the IO-540? How complicated is the
installation?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Electronic Ignition |
I am just installing an Emag in my RV-6.
Couldn't be easier.
They even have a built in timing beep. You merely apply 12v to the
unit, turn the gear until you get a steady tone, then install in the mag
location, adjust to keep the tone, and tighten the clamps.
I haven't flown it yet, but so far it's very attractive, clean, least
cost, and simple to install.
Don't discount the LASAR setup. When you compare it to 2 of the
aftermarket units, it's not that much more $$ and is a nice unit with
double redundancy.
dw
RV-6, 858hrs
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Electronic Ignition
I'm not sure how close you are to completing your project but you might
want to take a look at the following web site for E Mag Electronic
Ignition.
http://www.emagair.com/E-MAG_product_page.htm
They currently aren't able to supply these for the 540 but I talked to
them and they say it's one of their high priorities to get it ready for
the 540. It appears to be a very straight forward system and solves a
lot of problems.
I'm not the greatest mechanic, so I've been asking people who are a lot
better than me about elec ignition. I was told that the Light Speed is
complicated to install. The LASAR was easier to install with more
advantages but as you noted much more expensive.
I talked to Bart at AeroSport engines about elec ignition and he
recommended, for what my needs are for my 10, that the Light Speed
Plasma II Plus would be what I should use if I chose Light Speed. They
say you will have better performance, because of hotter spark, better
fuel efficiency and starting and your spark plugs will supposedly last
longer.
Again my disclaimer on all of this is I'm currently in the research and
learning mode so read my thoughts with that in mind.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Electronic Ignition
We are trying to decide whether we get our MAG's rebuilt or to
replace one with a Lightspeed. The LASAR electronic ignition is a
little on the expensive and complicated side, so we would rather stay
away from that.
What are the benefits of the Lightspeed? Which model would you
recommend? What kind of added performance can we expect on the IO-540?
How complicated is the installation?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Q-Build Kit 4 Sale |
As per our phone conversation: We drove around Temecula area in February
looking for potential winter "nesting" sites. Liked the area but, as it
seems to be throughout CA, looks to be getting crowded----and expensive. I
am a retired MD (and former Navy flight surgeon) currently working on the
tail cone of the 10. Will live in Maine for 7-8 months but need better
flying and golf weather for the winters plus my wife has family in the Bay
Area. As I mentioned, we would be interested in a town house or large
condo that would be maintained when we are not there. Send along some
listings when you get a chance. We will, for sure, be back out there in
late summer or early fall to look in ernest---will give you good lead time.
Jay and Gail Rowe, PO Box 309, Manchester, ME 04351
-------Original Message-------
From: Ersandall@aol.com
Subject: RV10-List: Q-Build Kit 4 Sale
Hi All,
I am forced to sell my RV-10 QB Kit #40148. I have developed AIDS (aircraft
induced divorce syndrome) and either the -10 goes, the -8 goes or I go.
So, the tail/cone is complete through primer (good workmanship), the wings
are in the hanger (uncrated, inventoried and untouched), the fuselage is in
the process of being shipped from Van's. Barb has told me that the finish
kit would be available to me by mid August, 05. I have not ordered it yet.
Price is $33,000. Location is French Valley airport in Temecula, CA. Great
way to get started quick!
If anyone is interested call me at 760-505-9701 and I will return all calls.
Evan Sandall
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| Subject: | empennage extras... |
Do you want a hot tip James. Take the 3.5 oz container and look at it close. The
product is separated when you get it and if you keep it separated you can use
it in small amounts as you need it. I took the small rod end and cut it off.
Then I drilled a 1/4" hole in the large tube end and made pushed out as much
as I needed. You then can push out the black part to get a 10 to 1 mix. I
used this method for all of the trailing edges and then some with just 1 3.5
oz tube. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Sipp
Subject: Re: RV10-List: empennage extras...
Hi All,
Getting ready for delivery of my emp kit... and had a few questions...
Is the elevator trim mechanically actuated or electrically in the tail section?
I see there is an accessory for electric elevator trim for some of the other
models on vans site. I don't remember seeing any manual trim in the demo 10.
If I'm planning on putting an autopilot in do I need to get an electric actuator
for the trim? Is there a manual control option? For example in the 172/182
there's a big fat trim wheel, and it the autopilot drives a motor somewhere
that controls it. If I need to put a motor in the elevator, I'd like to it
before closing up all the elevator bits.
Is the 3.5 oz bottle of proseal enough for the trailing edges on the emp kit?
Does anyone have a comparison of the aftermarket static ports and the van's method
as far as installation error is concerned? Is it negligible?
Anybody thought about a cockpit adjustable rudder trim? Or does the autopilot take
care of that by just moving the whole rudder a bit?
Thanks,
James
#40400
James:
I'll take a stab at these.
The only elevator trim I am aware of on the 10 is electrical. Everything you need
for it is in the kit. Autopilot control of the elevator is a direct connection
of the servo to the elevator linkage in the forward section of aft fuselage.
TruTrak, I believe offers an automatic trim option on their higher end autopilots
but this is usually not necessary.
Directional control is via a roll servo connected directly to the aileron linkage.
Again, TruTrak offers a yaw damper feature on their top end autopilots which
controls the rudder but for all normal operations the roll and pitch servos
will accomplish everything you might want to do.
The 3.5 oz bottle of pro-seal should be more than enough for the trailing edges.
Look in the achieves and other builders web sites for good ideas on techniques
to do the trailing edges.
Dick Sipp
RV4 250DS
RV10 40065 110DV
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Ahh kewl... good idea!
Thank you Sir!
James
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Randy DeBauw wrote:
> Do you want a hot tip James. Take the 3.5 oz container and look at it
> close. The product is separated when you get it and if you keep it
> separated you can use it in small amounts as you need it. I took the
> small rod end and cut it off. Then I drilled a 1/4" hole in the large
> tube end and made pushed out as much as I needed. You then can push
> out the black part to get a 10 to 1 mix. I used this method for all of
> the trailing edges and then some with just 1 3.5 oz tube. Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of
> *Richard Sipp
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 01, 2005 5:35 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: empennage extras...
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Getting ready for delivery of my emp kit and had a few questions
>
> Is the elevator trim mechanically actuated or electrically in
> the tail section? I see there is an accessory for electric
> elevator trim for some of the other models on vans site. I
> dont remember seeing any manual trim in the demo 10. If Im
> planning on putting an autopilot in do I need to get an
> electric actuator for the trim? Is there a manual control
> option? For example in the 172/182 theres a big fat trim
> wheel, and it the autopilot drives a motor somewhere that
> controls it. If I need to put a motor in the elevator, Id
> like to it before closing up all the elevator bits.
>
> Is the 3.5 oz bottle of proseal enough for the trailing edges
> on the emp kit?
>
> Does anyone have a comparison of the aftermarket static ports
> and the vans method as far as installation error is
> concerned? Is it negligible?
>
> Anybody thought about a cockpit adjustable rudder trim? Or
> does the autopilot take care of that by just moving the whole
> rudder a bit?
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
> #40400
>
> James:
>
> I'll take a stab at these.
>
> The only elevator trim I am aware of on the 10 is electrical.
> Everything you need for it is in the kit. Autopilot control of
> the elevator is a direct connection of the servo to the
> elevator linkage in the forward section of aft fuselage.
> TruTrak, I believe offers an automatic trim option on their
> higher end autopilots but this is usually not necessary.
>
> Directional control is via a roll servo connected directly to
> the aileron linkage. Again, TruTrak offers a yaw damper
> feature on their top end autopilots which controls the rudder
> but for all normal operations the roll and pitch servos will
> accomplish everything you might want to do.
>
> The 3.5 oz bottle of pro-seal should be more than enough for
> the trailing edges. Look in the achieves and other builders
> web sites for good ideas on techniques to do the trailing edges.
>
> Dick Sipp
>
> RV4 250DS
>
> RV10 40065 110DV
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Randy, What are you doing about electric aileron trim?
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| Subject: | Electronic Ignition |
Hello Mark. Nothing yet. I want to fly it and see what is needed. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Chamberlain
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Electronic Ignition
Randy, What are you doing about electric aileron trim?
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| Subject: | Opinion of flap positioning systems |
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All-
Anyone have an opinion on Van's flap positioning system VS. the FPS system
from AircraftExtras?
For the extra $100 all said and done with the FPS you get automatic trim
adjustment when the flap moves. I am not sure how much trim is needed on a
RV-10 but in my RV-6, the tweaking the trim was no big deal. I am not sure
if the extra cost and complexity is worth it.
Any thoughts appreciated,
Robin Wessel
Tigard, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Demo Flight and Questions |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
There's not a whole lot that you have to immediately decide on. Most
you can put off for most of the time you're doing the wings.
A) IFR A/C: Just make sure you get the heated pitot
B) Heated pitot: A dely here may be a good idea. Gretz isn't out with
his GA-1000 yet. Let the new choices start to come out.
B) AOA: You can decide at any time to install the AOA. If you think
you'll do it, just at least buy the first 1/2 of the kit so
you can pull the tubing out to the wingtips.
C) Low Fuel Warning: Right now you only have the option of float
sensors...and the low fuel warning is really a function of the
instruments you choose.
D) NAV lights: LED's or standard? You got the pkg 6...you're set.
E) Strobes: Whelen or other (CreativAir?) Just choose and buy them.
F) Landing lights: Get the standard, or, do what I did and get the
duckworks kit....HIGHLY recommended! Photos coming soon.
G) Antennas: To each his own. The archers have been popular Nav's for
inside the tips. For Com's, I'm going with belly mounted whips.
No others would go into the wings anyway.
H) Conduit: To run it, or not to run it. Do it about 1/3 the way into
the wings, before you do the wing ribs.
I) Diesel or 100LL?: If diesel, vent your tanks differently.
J) Autopilot Servos: If you're mounting a TruTrak, it can be installed
anytime but will be much easier before the bottom skin is on.
K) Enough wire run space?: If you pull AOA and tons of stuff, you may
want to run a 2nd set of snap bushings out to the tips. I also
ran a set on the right wing for the autopilot servo wires.
That's really about it for doing the wings. None of it needs to be
purchased day one. Most things can wait for at least a while. In fact,
by waiting on some things, you're likely to have more choices available
as new things come to market.
Tim
>
> I know that some of my decisions affect how I build the wings, but I am
> not sure I know all the decisions I have to make. Here is a list of
> what I think affects the wing build process, are there any others.
>
>
>
> Things I have decided.
>
>
>
> IFR A/C
>
> Heated Pitot Tube
>
> AOA
>
> Low Fuel Warning Light
>
> (Have not decided on fuel gage sensor, dont really understand the pros
> and cons)
>
> Went with Vans light package 6
>
> Went with Vans landing light
>
> (Have not made the antenna decision, need more input)
>
>
>
> Is there anything else I need to think about before I go head long into
> the wings?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for inputs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rene'
>
> 40322
>
> N423CF
>
> 801-721-6080
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Opinion of flap positioning systems |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That's unknown territory for the RV-10 so far. You may find people
who've built other RV's that can tell you if it's nice. I myself
think that while convenient, I'd like to keep mine separate. I did
order and receive the Van's FPS last week though.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Robin Wessel wrote:
> All-
>
>
>
> Anyone have an opinion on Vans flap positioning system VS. the FPS
> system from AircraftExtras?
>
>
>
> For the extra $100 all said and done with the FPS you get automatic trim
> adjustment when the flap moves. I am not sure how much trim is needed on
> a RV-10 but in my RV-6, the tweaking the trim was no big deal. I am not
> sure if the extra cost and complexity is worth it.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts appreciated,
>
>
>
> Robin Wessel
>
> Tigard, OR
>
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| Subject: | Demo Flight and Questions |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
Thanks
Do not archive
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Demo Flight and Questions
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
There's not a whole lot that you have to immediately decide on. Most
you can put off for most of the time you're doing the wings.
A) IFR A/C: Just make sure you get the heated pitot
B) Heated pitot: A dely here may be a good idea. Gretz isn't out with
his GA-1000 yet. Let the new choices start to come out.
B) AOA: You can decide at any time to install the AOA. If you think
you'll do it, just at least buy the first 1/2 of the kit so
you can pull the tubing out to the wingtips.
C) Low Fuel Warning: Right now you only have the option of float
sensors...and the low fuel warning is really a function of the
instruments you choose.
D) NAV lights: LED's or standard? You got the pkg 6...you're set.
E) Strobes: Whelen or other (CreativAir?) Just choose and buy them.
F) Landing lights: Get the standard, or, do what I did and get the
duckworks kit....HIGHLY recommended! Photos coming soon.
G) Antennas: To each his own. The archers have been popular Nav's for
inside the tips. For Com's, I'm going with belly mounted whips.
No others would go into the wings anyway.
H) Conduit: To run it, or not to run it. Do it about 1/3 the way into
the wings, before you do the wing ribs.
I) Diesel or 100LL?: If diesel, vent your tanks differently.
J) Autopilot Servos: If you're mounting a TruTrak, it can be installed
anytime but will be much easier before the bottom skin is on.
K) Enough wire run space?: If you pull AOA and tons of stuff, you may
want to run a 2nd set of snap bushings out to the tips. I also
ran a set on the right wing for the autopilot servo wires.
That's really about it for doing the wings. None of it needs to be
purchased day one. Most things can wait for at least a while. In fact,
by waiting on some things, you're likely to have more choices available
as new things come to market.
Tim
>
> I know that some of my decisions affect how I build the wings, but I am
> not sure I know all the decisions I have to make. Here is a list of
> what I think affects the wing build process, are there any others.
>
>
>
> Things I have decided.
>
>
>
> IFR A/C
>
> Heated Pitot Tube
>
> AOA
>
> Low Fuel Warning Light
>
> (Have not decided on fuel gage sensor, don't really understand the pros
> and cons)
>
> Went with Vans light package 6
>
> Went with Vans landing light
>
> (Have not made the antenna decision, need more input)
>
>
>
> Is there anything else I need to think about before I go head long into
> the wings?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for inputs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rene'
>
> 40322
>
> N423CF
>
> 801-721-6080
>
>
>
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