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1. 06:28 AM - Re: Quickbuild Purchase Question (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
2. 09:38 AM - Re: Oops. Grrr. ;) (James Ochs)
3. 09:41 AM - Re: Quickbuild Purchase Question (John W. Cox)
4. 09:41 AM - Antenna doublers. (John Hasbrouck)
5. 10:46 AM - Re: Vents (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
6. 12:43 PM - Re: Antenna doublers. (Scott Schmidt)
7. 12:44 PM - Re: Vents (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
8. 02:35 PM - plane flew into restricted airspace (son hoang)
9. 03:59 PM - Antenna Selection (Tim Olson)
10. 04:03 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
11. 04:14 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (AI Nut)
12. 04:19 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (LessDragProd@aol.com)
13. 04:21 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
14. 04:29 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Stein Bruch)
15. 04:35 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (James Ochs)
16. 04:40 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
17. 04:45 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
18. 04:45 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (jdalton77)
19. 04:47 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Sean Stephens)
20. 04:48 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (LessDragProd@aol.com)
21. 05:30 PM - Re: ELTs (William Curtis)
22. 05:46 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Bill McCoy)
23. 06:32 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Tim Olson)
24. 06:37 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Wayne Edgerton)
25. 06:42 PM - Re: Antenna doublers. (John W. Cox)
26. 06:43 PM - Re: Antenna doublers. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
27. 07:26 PM - Re: WTB: (DejaVu)
28. 07:52 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (DejaVu)
29. 08:04 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
30. 08:56 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Rene)
31. 09:13 PM - Re: WTB: (Wayne Edgerton)
32. 09:19 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (JOHN STARN)
33. 09:27 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Tim Olson)
34. 09:36 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (Tim Olson)
35. 10:34 PM - Re: Antenna Selection (son hoang)
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| Subject: | Quickbuild Purchase Question |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr)" <nikolaos.napoli@ngc.com>
There is also a good possibility of skin fatigue cracking if you don't tie the
doubler to the surrounding structure.
Niko
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quickbuild Purchase Question
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
A properly prepared doubler (compliant with AC 43.13-2A) is usually tied
into the adjacent ribs and or J stiffeners. That is a feature which
might get addressed sooner in the antenna selection (location) process
for the SB guys. The tie-in is to relieve skin stress, flex and oil
canning from the antennae drag coefficient. Let me know how you and the
rest of the QB guys solve it Tim.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quickbuild Purchase Question
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just got the QB fuse and from the looks of it, the instrument panel
ribs are all in place, but, the panel and top skin are only in
with temporary rivets, so it should be easy (I think) to remove the
entire panel assembly and rework the ribs as necessary.
Bob, thanks for reminding me about the bent-whip antenna's under the
rear seats. That's what I plan to do too....I'll need to get my
stuff together and get those access panels cut. I assume you did
one under each side, with maximum side-to-side spacing, but staying
on the flat part of the fuse. Did you just do skin doublers or tied
into the ribs?
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Oops. Grrr. ;) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
FWIW here's the response from support at Vans:
It probably is not big deal to leave the overdriven rivets in place. You
are correct that in most cases you will do more damage by drilling
out and replacing a marginal rivet than by leaving it alone.
I plan to drill out the three or four that were marginally larger than
the #6 gauge and replace them, but leave the ones that are marginally
smaller than the #6 gauge.
James
PJ Seipel wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
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> My tech counselor's view was that it is better to over drive the
> rivets than to under drive them. Something about an over driven rivet
> still retains 80% of its strength. Maybe someone else here has more
> concrete info or a reference you can check.
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> PJ
> 40032
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> James Ochs wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
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>> Hi all,
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>> Well, moving right along, I got all my corrosion protection done on
>> the VS parts and started riveting last night. Went great, and being
>> the first time I had been using 1/8" rivets I grabbed my trusty rivet
>> gauge to make sure my shop heads were right. Well, it helps if you
>> use the #4 gauge instead of the #6 gauge.
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>> So now my question is this... the rivets I completed last night are
>> the AN426AD4-7 rivets along the rear spar that hold the rear spar
>> doubler to to the rear spar. I actually ran out of them as
>> apparently they didn't include enough with my kit, so I havent done
>> the ones that attach the lower rudder hinge to the spar. The shop
>> heads should be 3/16" but since I'm an idiot I drove them to 1/4".
>> It doesn't seem like this is a high load area ( I would think most of
>> the stress is on the hinge brackets and the bolts that attach the VS
>> to the fuse, and not the rivets that hold the doubler and stiffeners
>> to the spar - please correct me if I'm wrong ;) but then again, I'm
>> not an ME so what do I know? Do I need to drill out all of them or
>> are they ok as long as I get the rest of the rivets right? What I am
>> really afraid of is that drilling out rivets seems to invariably
>> create more problems...
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>> Thanks,
>> James
>> #40400.
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| Subject: | Quickbuild Purchase Question |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Thanks Niko, that's why it is not optional for A & P mechanics or
Avionics Installers. The Feds found that it will happen, its just a
matter of when. The tragedy is that the skin that fails is so large in
dimension to replace on an RV-10, it has to be done with an unsightly
exterior patch. If it is planned for, we get to learn to make a joggle
and change the rivets out to a longer length, while using the matched
holes provided by the CNC instructions.
I guess new builders do not understand the importance of antennae
selection and location much earlier in this process.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Napoli,
Nikolaos (Contr)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quickbuild Purchase Question
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr)"
<nikolaos.napoli@ngc.com>
There is also a good possibility of skin fatigue cracking if you don't
tie the doubler to the surrounding structure.
Niko
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quickbuild Purchase Question
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
A properly prepared doubler (compliant with AC 43.13-2A) is usually tied
into the adjacent ribs and or J stiffeners. That is a feature which
might get addressed sooner in the antenna selection (location) process
for the SB guys. The tie-in is to relieve skin stress, flex and oil
canning from the antennae drag coefficient. Let me know how you and the
rest of the QB guys solve it Tim.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quickbuild Purchase Question
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just got the QB fuse and from the looks of it, the instrument panel
ribs are all in place, but, the panel and top skin are only in
with temporary rivets, so it should be easy (I think) to remove the
entire panel assembly and rework the ribs as necessary.
Bob, thanks for reminding me about the bent-whip antenna's under the
rear seats. That's what I plan to do too....I'll need to get my
stuff together and get those access panels cut. I assume you did
one under each side, with maximum side-to-side spacing, but staying
on the flat part of the fuse. Did you just do skin doublers or tied
into the ribs?
Tim
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| Subject: | Antenna doublers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Is tieing the antenna doubler into a rib or stiffener more important with a
blade type antenna versus a whip? I understood the aerodynamic forces were
higher on the balde antenna........john
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| Subject: | : RV10-List:Vents |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Does the finish kit have the little eyeball vents included, or does one have to
track those down on your own?
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oops. Grrr. ;)
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
FWIW here's the response from support at Vans:
It probably is not big deal to leave the overdriven rivets in place. You
are correct that in most cases you will do more damage by drilling
out and replacing a marginal rivet than by leaving it alone.
I plan to drill out the three or four that were marginally larger than
the #6 gauge and replace them, but leave the ones that are marginally
smaller than the #6 gauge.
James
PJ Seipel wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
>
> My tech counselor's view was that it is better to over drive the
> rivets than to under drive them. Something about an over driven rivet
> still retains 80% of its strength. Maybe someone else here has more
> concrete info or a reference you can check.
>
> PJ
> 40032
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> James Ochs wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Well, moving right along, I got all my corrosion protection done on
>> the VS parts and started riveting last night. Went great, and being
>> the first time I had been using 1/8" rivets I grabbed my trusty rivet
>> gauge to make sure my shop heads were right. Well, it helps if you
>> use the #4 gauge instead of the #6 gauge.
>>
>> So now my question is this... the rivets I completed last night are
>> the AN426AD4-7 rivets along the rear spar that hold the rear spar
>> doubler to to the rear spar. I actually ran out of them as
>> apparently they didn't include enough with my kit, so I havent done
>> the ones that attach the lower rudder hinge to the spar. The shop
>> heads should be 3/16" but since I'm an idiot I drove them to 1/4".
>> It doesn't seem like this is a high load area ( I would think most of
>> the stress is on the hinge brackets and the bolts that attach the VS
>> to the fuse, and not the rivets that hold the doubler and stiffeners
>> to the spar - please correct me if I'm wrong ;) but then again, I'm
>> not an ME so what do I know? Do I need to drill out all of them or
>> are they ok as long as I get the rest of the rivets right? What I am
>> really afraid of is that drilling out rivets seems to invariably
>> create more problems...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> James
>> #40400.
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| Subject: | Antenna doublers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Do you think I will have a problem with the setup I have. I just used
0.032" as a backup next to the skin? I am using whip antennas.
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna doublers.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
<jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Is tieing the antenna doubler into a rib or stiffener more important
with a
blade type antenna versus a whip? I understood the aerodynamic forces
were
higher on the balde antenna........john
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| Subject: | : RV10-List:Vents |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
You need to track those down on your own. It just comes with the piece
that feeds the vent.
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List:Vents
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Does the finish kit have the little eyeball vents included, or does one
have to track those down on your own?
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oops. Grrr. ;)
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
FWIW here's the response from support at Vans:
It probably is not big deal to leave the overdriven rivets in place. You
are correct that in most cases you will do more damage by drilling
out and replacing a marginal rivet than by leaving it alone.
I plan to drill out the three or four that were marginally larger than
the #6 gauge and replace them, but leave the ones that are marginally
smaller than the #6 gauge.
James
PJ Seipel wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
>
> My tech counselor's view was that it is better to over drive the
> rivets than to under drive them. Something about an over driven rivet
> still retains 80% of its strength. Maybe someone else here has more
> concrete info or a reference you can check.
>
> PJ
> 40032
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> James Ochs wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Well, moving right along, I got all my corrosion protection done on
>> the VS parts and started riveting last night. Went great, and being
>> the first time I had been using 1/8" rivets I grabbed my trusty rivet
>> gauge to make sure my shop heads were right. Well, it helps if you
>> use the #4 gauge instead of the #6 gauge.
>>
>> So now my question is this... the rivets I completed last night are
>> the AN426AD4-7 rivets along the rear spar that hold the rear spar
>> doubler to to the rear spar. I actually ran out of them as
>> apparently they didn't include enough with my kit, so I havent done
>> the ones that attach the lower rudder hinge to the spar. The shop
>> heads should be 3/16" but since I'm an idiot I drove them to 1/4".
>> It doesn't seem like this is a high load area ( I would think most of
>> the stress is on the hinge brackets and the bolts that attach the VS
>> to the fuse, and not the rivets that hold the doubler and stiffeners
>> to the spar - please correct me if I'm wrong ;) but then again, I'm
>> not an ME so what do I know? Do I need to drill out all of them or
>> are they ok as long as I get the rest of the rivets right? What I am
>> really afraid of is that drilling out rivets seems to invariably
>> create more problems...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> James
>> #40400.
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
White House and Congress evacuated
red level alert
stock market dived because of the security scare
this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
I just shook my head in disbelief
there was much over reaction to the real threat
but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to fly
who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson"
<bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
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> "Prop noise is loudest" - not necessarily, and it's very 'peaky' in line
> with the plane of the prop. Keep helical tip speed below around 800 fps
and
> you avoid the annoying T6 blare. Not a problem on fixed pitch props unless
> they're very fine, and on a CS prop that allows 2700 rpm on take-off, just
> get back to 25/25 as soon as safely possible after take-off.
>
> Exhaust noise remains the dominant factor for most of the time an
aeroplane
> is overflying, and as for mufflers, the Swiss type in Tony Bingelis' books
> works well for damping out the high frequencies. However the Lycoming
sound
> spectrum shows highest powers under 800Hz. An expansion chamber muffler of
> adequate volume (say over 270 cu in) should work better for these low
> frequencies. Even treating the ends of the exhaust pipes as per the Wicks
> 'piccolo' takes some of the 'bite' out of the sound. Some German companies
> have done successful work on certificated mufflers and will be happy to
sell
> you a couple (for enormous piles of euros!) They are much smaller /
lighter
> than the Swiss muffler in Tony's book. Have a Google for Gomolzig and
Liese
> for starters.
>
> Our Popular Flying Association takes noise reduction seriously, and some
> info can be found on their website:
> http://www.pfa.org.uk/engineering_services/silencing_papers.asp
>
> Performance loss may be less than feared using these new free-breathing
> mufflers. If the length of pipe is tuned to say 2500rpm, it may not even
> happen, according to some reports.
>
> My RV is not yet flying, so I can't quote actual figures yet. I do however
> intend to take before and after readings when playing around with
mufflers.
> You can still legally fly an 'experimental' without any muffler over here
in
> the UK, but for how long?? We've lost a lot of airfields to noise
> complaints, so have to disarm the critics before they shut us down
> completely.
>
> Just my 2c /pence worth, YMMV etc
>
> Bob
>
> (RV3B - still starting 'finishing')
>
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I ordered some of my antennas, but didn't get them all because
I have some questions.
I ordered:
2 Comant CI-122 Bent Whip Com antennas for the belly
1 TED Transponder antenna (similar to Comant CI-101)
1 Comant Marker Beacon antenna CI-102
My plan for the NAV/GS is to put a Comant Cat Whiskers
antenna on the top of the Vertical Stab. I was thinking
the CI-157P. Is there a better suggestion?
I was also planning to get a Nav Coupler to split the
NAV's into 2 signals, but I'm not sure if you can also
split the Glideslope into 2 signals. Any tips there
would be appreciated. I'm going with an SL-30 and GNS-480,
by the way, and I know that some of those have the ability
to split the signals built right in.
It is possible, since I know that when you couple the
antennas like that, you actually "share" the signal, so you
don't get the full power to each radio, that I'll do something
else like put a Bob Archer Nav/GS antenna in the Right wingtip
also, so I don't have to couple the Nav/GS signals. If that's
the better option, point me in that direction...it's probably
as cheap as a coupler anyway.
As for the GPS antenna, I talked to Comant at SNF and they mentioned
that even though my GNS-480 will come with an antenna, I would be
better off with a GPS/XM radio antenna like the CI-420-420...since
I plan to have XM weather on my MX-20 (or GRT EFIS). That one
is still up in the air.
Any other recommendations always appreciated. As you can tell though,
I'm not against the porcupine look, so don't bother talking me into
concealed antennas just for the sake of hiding them. My main goal
is the strongest, clearest, most reliable signal.....then I'll
think about cosmetics.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
It would be a lot cheaper just to glue a $20 XM antenna to your dashboard instead
of paying COMANT $$ for a combined antenna.
That's the beauty of a non-certified install . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I ordered some of my antennas, but didn't get them all because
I have some questions.
I ordered:
2 Comant CI-122 Bent Whip Com antennas for the belly
1 TED Transponder antenna (similar to Comant CI-101)
1 Comant Marker Beacon antenna CI-102
My plan for the NAV/GS is to put a Comant Cat Whiskers
antenna on the top of the Vertical Stab. I was thinking
the CI-157P. Is there a better suggestion?
I was also planning to get a Nav Coupler to split the
NAV's into 2 signals, but I'm not sure if you can also
split the Glideslope into 2 signals. Any tips there
would be appreciated. I'm going with an SL-30 and GNS-480,
by the way, and I know that some of those have the ability
to split the signals built right in.
It is possible, since I know that when you couple the
antennas like that, you actually "share" the signal, so you
don't get the full power to each radio, that I'll do something
else like put a Bob Archer Nav/GS antenna in the Right wingtip
also, so I don't have to couple the Nav/GS signals. If that's
the better option, point me in that direction...it's probably
as cheap as a coupler anyway.
As for the GPS antenna, I talked to Comant at SNF and they mentioned
that even though my GNS-480 will come with an antenna, I would be
better off with a GPS/XM radio antenna like the CI-420-420...since
I plan to have XM weather on my MX-20 (or GRT EFIS). That one
is still up in the air.
Any other recommendations always appreciated. As you can tell though,
I'm not against the porcupine look, so don't bother talking me into
concealed antennas just for the sake of hiding them. My main goal
is the strongest, clearest, most reliable signal.....then I'll
think about cosmetics.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
David
son hoang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>White House and Congress evacuated
>red level alert
>stock market dived because of the security scare
>
>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>I just shook my head in disbelief
>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to fly
>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection |
Hi All,
The best operating NAV antenna installation available is Bob Archer's
Sportcraft NAV antenna. Nothing works better than this.
It also happens to be installed in the wingtip. You can install one in each
wingtip for each radio. (No you can not joint them together. There is a
node for every two feet of wingspan.)
You can also install one of Bob's Marker Beacon antenna kit in one of the
wingtips. Or he can tell you how to make your own from a piece of coax.
Nav antenna $65 each
Marker Beacon antenna kit $25 each
from Bob Archer. _bobsantennas@earthlink.com_ (javascript:void)
(310) 316-8796
Regards,
Jim Ayers
PS In this case you don't get what you pay for. You get much more than you
pay for.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Tim,
I will likely have te same radios as you but opted for an Archer nav antenna in
each wingtip to avoid aving to split the signal (loss). I also went w/Bob Archer's
suggestion of the MB in the wingtip - it's a 53" section of coax w/ the
shielding removed. That leaves the only exposed antennas as a pair of CI-122
bent whips for comms, a CI-105 for the transponder and GPS antenna(s).
I'm out of town right now but will definitely do more research into the potential
doubler issue tis weekend. If it is indeed an issue it won't be a huge problem
to fix, just time...
Bob #40105
Bob
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I ordered some of my antennas, but didn't get them all because
I have some questions.
I ordered:
2 Comant CI-122 Bent Whip Com antennas for the belly
1 TED Transponder antenna (similar to Comant CI-101)
1 Comant Marker Beacon antenna CI-102
My plan for the NAV/GS is to put a Comant Cat Whiskers
antenna on the top of the Vertical Stab. I was thinking
the CI-157P. Is there a better suggestion?
I was also planning to get a Nav Coupler to split the
NAV's into 2 signals, but I'm not sure if you can also
split the Glideslope into 2 signals. Any tips there
would be appreciated. I'm going with an SL-30 and GNS-480,
by the way, and I know that some of those have the ability
to split the signals built right in.
It is possible, since I know that when you couple the
antennas like that, you actually "share" the signal, so you
don't get the full power to each radio, that I'll do something
else like put a Bob Archer Nav/GS antenna in the Right wingtip
also, so I don't have to couple the Nav/GS signals. If that's
the better option, point me in that direction...it's probably
as cheap as a coupler anyway.
As for the GPS antenna, I talked to Comant at SNF and they mentioned
that even though my GNS-480 will come with an antenna, I would be
better off with a GPS/XM radio antenna like the CI-420-420...since
I plan to have XM weather on my MX-20 (or GRT EFIS). That one
is still up in the air.
Any other recommendations always appreciated. As you can tell though,
I'm not against the porcupine look, so don't bother talking me into
concealed antennas just for the sake of hiding them. My main goal
is the strongest, clearest, most reliable signal.....then I'll
think about cosmetics.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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d="scan'208"; a="282990796:sNHT18701440"
| Subject: | Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Cosmetics Aside, I'd use the Archer wingtip version for BOTH the NAV & Mkr
Beacon. They perform beatifully, and Bob can give you some details as to
why his Mkr Beacon antenna actually will out-perform the slet/boat type
antennas. Heck, for the price, put one NAV antenna in each wingtip, then
forget about all the diplexer/splitter headache.
I also agree with the previous lister, I wouldn't bother with the combined
XM/GPS antenna...it's more of a marketing gimmic than a real huge advantage.
Also, good decision on the bent whip. You'll be hard pressed to find a
better performing antenna on these RV's. Both the D&M as well as the Comat
perform very well.
Just my 2 cents (and no...I'm not selling the Archer antennas...yet)!
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I ordered some of my antennas, but didn't get them all because
I have some questions.
I ordered:
2 Comant CI-122 Bent Whip Com antennas for the belly
1 TED Transponder antenna (similar to Comant CI-101)
1 Comant Marker Beacon antenna CI-102
My plan for the NAV/GS is to put a Comant Cat Whiskers
antenna on the top of the Vertical Stab. I was thinking
the CI-157P. Is there a better suggestion?
I was also planning to get a Nav Coupler to split the
NAV's into 2 signals, but I'm not sure if you can also
split the Glideslope into 2 signals. Any tips there
would be appreciated. I'm going with an SL-30 and GNS-480,
by the way, and I know that some of those have the ability
to split the signals built right in.
It is possible, since I know that when you couple the
antennas like that, you actually "share" the signal, so you
don't get the full power to each radio, that I'll do something
else like put a Bob Archer Nav/GS antenna in the Right wingtip
also, so I don't have to couple the Nav/GS signals. If that's
the better option, point me in that direction...it's probably
as cheap as a coupler anyway.
As for the GPS antenna, I talked to Comant at SNF and they mentioned
that even though my GNS-480 will come with an antenna, I would be
better off with a GPS/XM radio antenna like the CI-420-420...since
I plan to have XM weather on my MX-20 (or GRT EFIS). That one
is still up in the air.
Any other recommendations always appreciated. As you can tell though,
I'm not against the porcupine look, so don't bother talking me into
concealed antennas just for the sake of hiding them. My main goal
is the strongest, clearest, most reliable signal.....then I'll
think about cosmetics.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Just out of curiosity is there a good solution for hidden/lowdrag comm
antennas as well?
Is glideslope the same antenna as nav? For some reason i though glide
slope needed a different orientation than nav...
James
LessDragProd@aol.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The best operating NAV antenna installation available is Bob Archer's
> Sportcraft NAV antenna. Nothing works better than this.
>
> It also happens to be installed in the wingtip. You can install one
> in each wingtip for each radio. (No you can not joint them together.
> There is a node for every two feet of wingspan.)
>
> You can also install one of Bob's Marker Beacon antenna kit in one of
> the wingtips. Or he can tell you how to make your own from a piece of
> coax.
>
> Nav antenna $65 each
> Marker Beacon antenna kit $25 each
>
> from Bob Archer. bobsantennas@earthlink.com <javascript:void>
> (310) 316-8796
>
> Regards,
> Jim Ayers
> PS In this case you don't get what you pay for. You get much more
> than you pay for.
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
How about a 1000' trailing wire antenna so you can talk to the submarines on low
frequency?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Just out of curiosity is there a good solution for hidden/lowdrag comm
antennas as well?
Is glideslope the same antenna as nav? For some reason i though glide
slope needed a different orientation than nav...
James
LessDragProd@aol.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The best operating NAV antenna installation available is Bob Archer's
> Sportcraft NAV antenna. Nothing works better than this.
>
> It also happens to be installed in the wingtip. You can install one
> in each wingtip for each radio. (No you can not joint them together.
> There is a node for every two feet of wingspan.)
>
> You can also install one of Bob's Marker Beacon antenna kit in one of
> the wingtips. Or he can tell you how to make your own from a piece of
> coax.
>
> Nav antenna $65 each
> Marker Beacon antenna kit $25 each
>
> from Bob Archer. bobsantennas@earthlink.com <javascript:void>
> (310) 316-8796
>
> Regards,
> Jim Ayers
> PS In this case you don't get what you pay for. You get much more
> than you pay for.
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Tim,
I meant to ask about your panel layout. Are you using the stock panel? I'm planning
on what sounds like a similar avionics config, and when you add in an engine
monitor you're almost out of room! Going w/the GRT stuff would help but
I really like the AFS-2500.
Bob
Bob
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I ordered some of my antennas, but didn't get them all because
I have some questions.
I ordered:
2 Comant CI-122 Bent Whip Com antennas for the belly
1 TED Transponder antenna (similar to Comant CI-101)
1 Comant Marker Beacon antenna CI-102
My plan for the NAV/GS is to put a Comant Cat Whiskers
antenna on the top of the Vertical Stab. I was thinking
the CI-157P. Is there a better suggestion?
I was also planning to get a Nav Coupler to split the
NAV's into 2 signals, but I'm not sure if you can also
split the Glideslope into 2 signals. Any tips there
would be appreciated. I'm going with an SL-30 and GNS-480,
by the way, and I know that some of those have the ability
to split the signals built right in.
It is possible, since I know that when you couple the
antennas like that, you actually "share" the signal, so you
don't get the full power to each radio, that I'll do something
else like put a Bob Archer Nav/GS antenna in the Right wingtip
also, so I don't have to couple the Nav/GS signals. If that's
the better option, point me in that direction...it's probably
as cheap as a coupler anyway.
As for the GPS antenna, I talked to Comant at SNF and they mentioned
that even though my GNS-480 will come with an antenna, I would be
better off with a GPS/XM radio antenna like the CI-420-420...since
I plan to have XM weather on my MX-20 (or GRT EFIS). That one
is still up in the air.
Any other recommendations always appreciated. As you can tell though,
I'm not against the porcupine look, so don't bother talking me into
concealed antennas just for the sake of hiding them. My main goal
is the strongest, clearest, most reliable signal.....then I'll
think about cosmetics.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
I agree - he wasn't "rotten" - he was a student pilot that strayed. It
happens to all of us sometime. He's CFI should have known, but maybe he
didn't. It's silly to treat them as criminals.
The real problem is the nonsense that is going on in D.C. Radar could
easily determine that it was a slow-moving, small aircraft that could
cause little damage, if any.
I wish they had been 1/10 this diligent on 9/11.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
David
son hoang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>White House and Congress evacuated
>red level alert
>stock market dived because of the security scare
>
>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>I just shook my head in disbelief
>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have
>to fly who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones
>among us)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection |
What you really need is a flush mount transponder antenna. That way you
don't have that draggy 4" long antenna hanging out the bottom. :-)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 05/11/2005 4:41:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Tdawson@avidyne.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
How about a 1000' trailing wire antenna so you can talk to the submarines on
low frequency?
TDT
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>Anyone considering Ameri-King AK450? These units are inexpensive
>(they declare)and should be.
David,
I've had one (AK-450) for 5 years in my Cardinal and have not had any problems
with it. What was the failure mode? I'll probably default to one of these if
a 406Mhz unit with GPS interface is not available at a reasonably price.
William Curtis
http://members.core.com/~wcurtis/
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection |
Hey Tim, are you from the TACAMO community?
Tim Dawson-Townsend <Tdawson@avidyne.com> wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by:
"Tim Dawson-Townsend"
How about a 1000' trailing wire antenna so you can talk to the submarines on low
frequency?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Ochs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs
Just out of curiosity is there a good solution for hidden/lowdrag comm
antennas as well?
Is glideslope the same antenna as nav? For some reason i though glide
slope needed a different orientation than nav...
James
LessDragProd@aol.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The best operating NAV antenna installation available is Bob Archer's
> Sportcraft NAV antenna. Nothing works better than this.
>
> It also happens to be installed in the wingtip. You can install one
> in each wingtip for each radio. (No you can not joint them together.
> There is a node for every two feet of wingspan.)
>
> You can also install one of Bob's Marker Beacon antenna kit in one of
> the wingtips. Or he can tell you how to make your own from a piece of
> coax.
>
> Nav antenna $65 each
> Marker Beacon antenna kit $25 each
>
> from Bob Archer. bobsantennas@earthlink.com
> (310) 316-8796
>
> Regards,
> Jim Ayers
> PS In this case you don't get what you pay for. You get much more
> than you pay for.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection |
Howdy Bob,
I'm not going stock with the panel. I myself LOVE the AFS-2005
for an EIS. It has the best display layout of any. I REALLY
wanted to have it, but in my situation it just didn't make sense.
I was already going with a 2 screen GRT, with XM weather...it's
really great stuff. So, then they mentioned that if I went with
them for the EIS, my 3rd (very cheap, by the way) display and EIS
combo would cost less money, and provide me with a 3rd panel that
would also be capable of acting like a horizon, map, EIS, DG/HSI,
or any of the functions. So I decided to bite and just go all
3 GRT screens. GRT might not be as pretty, but it's actually
the same glass on the screens, so as long as they program it nicely,
it should be able to look exactly as good. GRT plans to work on it
quite a bit.
So, at SNF I made the decision to have the Aerocraft guys do the
panel with one of those snazzy fiberglass do-jobbies. I'm currently
in the panel layout revision process. Attached is Rev2 that they've
sent me. Providing that they come up with good pricing on the
avionics and overall work, I'll be very shortly giving my go ahead
to build the panel. If the price of equipment is way off though,
then I may possibly be just doing a modification to the standard
Panel....lowering it about 1.5" and reworking what's necessary to
get the same basic layout.
So, see the attached drawing for a peek at what I'm leanding towards.
There are further changes that aren't shown yet.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> I meant to ask about your panel layout. Are you using the stock
> panel? I'm planning on what sounds like a similar avionics config,
> and when you add in an engine monitor you're almost out of room!
> Going w/the GRT stuff would help but I really like the AFS-2500.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless
> Handheld
>
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| Subject: | Re: plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
I don't think they reacted soon enough to 9-11 So I would rather they over
react than under react. So I guess there damned if they do and damned if
they don't, wouldn't you say?
But if your saying the 152 guys aren't at fault when they entered restricted
air space, and they created a violation, then who is? We may not agree with
the rules but we had better follow them if we all want to keep flying as
freely as we do. I've flown in other counties and trust me we've got the
best damned system going out there, bar none, even with its warts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>
> Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>
> David
>
>
> son hoang wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>
>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>red level alert
>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>
>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>fly
>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Antenna doublers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Comant gives the drag coefficient for every antennae design on their
webpages. I posted the math formula some time back on this site. Yes,
is the correct answer but some whips tend to resonate from wind speed
more than others and send the vibration just like a tuning fork into the
empennage.
As certified mechanics, we have to do all installations as compliant.
As the Experimental builder, you have leeway to cut lots of corners till
your DAR says "Do it this way". Ask him early. If you don't have one,
shop around for someone familiar with your style of construction.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna doublers.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
<jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Is tieing the antenna doubler into a rib or stiffener more important
with a
blade type antenna versus a whip? I understood the aerodynamic forces
were
higher on the balde antenna........john
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| Subject: | Antenna doublers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Scott, your pictures show great workmanship. Ask your DAR before
closeout. Then report back to the group.
John
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Antenna doublers.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
<sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Do you think I will have a problem with the setup I have. I just used
0.032" as a backup next to the skin? I am using whip antennas.
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna doublers.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
<jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Is tieing the antenna doubler into a rib or stiffener more important
with a
blade type antenna versus a whip? I understood the aerodynamic forces
were
higher on the balde antenna........john
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I'm out of commission from hurting my ankle while coaching soccer. Can't stand
for very long. I would swap elevating my foot 75% of the time to do anything
on the plane.
Anh
Maryland
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: Rene Felker
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: WTB:
I agree, I will swap dimpling for debur any day....of course I am just starting
on my wings.
Rene'
N423CF
40322
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mani Ravee
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:11 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: WTB:
Actually, I did not mind the dimpling at all. Its the tedious deburring of the
holes which get me. I really hate that.
Mani
Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@mail.ameritel.net>
Being 12nmi from the ADIZ ring there have been more incidences of straying a
few miles inside than I care to hear. Most are innocent enough and usually
handled with a request from a controller to give them a call and licenses
being suspended or even stripped silently. 3 miles from the White House on
a crystal clear day? Umm...Umm...Umm.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
<weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
> I don't think they reacted soon enough to 9-11 So I would rather they over
> react than under react. So I guess there damned if they do and damned if
> they don't, wouldn't you say?
>
> But if your saying the 152 guys aren't at fault when they entered
restricted
> air space, and they created a violation, then who is? We may not agree
with
> the rules but we had better follow them if we all want to keep flying as
> freely as we do. I've flown in other counties and trust me we've got the
> best damned system going out there, bar none, even with its warts.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwaay.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
> >
> > Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> > lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > son hoang wrote:
> >
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
> >>
> >>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
> >>White House and Congress evacuated
> >>red level alert
> >>stock market dived because of the security scare
> >>
> >>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
> >>I just shook my head in disbelief
> >>there was much over reaction to the real threat
> >>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
> >>fly
> >>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
> >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection |
Tim:
Is that 3 GR displays, an MX-20, CNX-80, 2 turn coordinators, and a CDI? I like
redundancy, too, but are you at risk of going overboard?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
Howdy Bob,
I'm not going stock with the panel. I myself LOVE the AFS-2005
for an EIS. It has the best display layout of any. I REALLY
wanted to have it, but in my situation it just didn't make sense.
I was already going with a 2 screen GRT, with XM weather...it's
really great stuff. So, then they mentioned that if I went with
them for the EIS, my 3rd (very cheap, by the way) display and EIS
combo would cost less money, and provide me with a 3rd panel that
would also be capable of acting like a horizon, map, EIS, DG/HSI,
or any of the functions. So I decided to bite and just go all
3 GRT screens. GRT might not be as pretty, but it's actually
the same glass on the screens, so as long as they program it nicely,
it should be able to look exactly as good. GRT plans to work on it
quite a bit.
So, at SNF I made the decision to have the Aerocraft guys do the
panel with one of those snazzy fiberglass do-jobbies. I'm currently
in the panel layout revision process. Attached is Rev2 that they've
sent me. Providing that they come up with good pricing on the
avionics and overall work, I'll be very shortly giving my go ahead
to build the panel. If the price of equipment is way off though,
then I may possibly be just doing a modification to the standard
Panel....lowering it about 1.5" and reworking what's necessary to
get the same basic layout.
So, see the attached drawing for a peek at what I'm leanding towards.
There are further changes that aren't shown yet.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> I meant to ask about your panel layout. Are you using the stock
> panel? I'm planning on what sounds like a similar avionics config,
> and when you add in an engine monitor you're almost out of room!
> Going w/the GRT stuff would help but I really like the AFS-2500.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless
> Handheld
>
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
Would love to know how much they are going to charge you.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
Howdy Bob,
I'm not going stock with the panel. I myself LOVE the AFS-2005
for an EIS. It has the best display layout of any. I REALLY
wanted to have it, but in my situation it just didn't make sense.
I was already going with a 2 screen GRT, with XM weather...it's
really great stuff. So, then they mentioned that if I went with
them for the EIS, my 3rd (very cheap, by the way) display and EIS
combo would cost less money, and provide me with a 3rd panel that
would also be capable of acting like a horizon, map, EIS, DG/HSI,
or any of the functions. So I decided to bite and just go all
3 GRT screens. GRT might not be as pretty, but it's actually
the same glass on the screens, so as long as they program it nicely,
it should be able to look exactly as good. GRT plans to work on it
quite a bit.
So, at SNF I made the decision to have the Aerocraft guys do the
panel with one of those snazzy fiberglass do-jobbies. I'm currently
in the panel layout revision process. Attached is Rev2 that they've
sent me. Providing that they come up with good pricing on the
avionics and overall work, I'll be very shortly giving my go ahead
to build the panel. If the price of equipment is way off though,
then I may possibly be just doing a modification to the standard
Panel....lowering it about 1.5" and reworking what's necessary to
get the same basic layout.
So, see the attached drawing for a peek at what I'm leanding towards.
There are further changes that aren't shown yet.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> I meant to ask about your panel layout. Are you using the stock
> panel? I'm planning on what sounds like a similar avionics config,
> and when you add in an engine monitor you're almost out of room!
> Going w/the GRT stuff would help but I really like the AFS-2500.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless
> Handheld
>
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I have the same problem. I stabbed myself in the hand with a very sharp knife,
a long and dumb story, and cut a tendon and nerve and they tell me I'm out of
the plane building business for a total of three months. Talk about withdrawal
pain.
----- Original Message -----
From: DejaVu
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: WTB:
I'm out of commission from hurting my ankle while coaching soccer. Can't stand
for very long. I would swap elevating my foot 75% of the time to do anything
on the plane.
Anh
Maryland
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: Rene Felker
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: WTB:
I agree, I will swap dimpling for debur any day....of course I am just starting
on my wings.
Rene'
N423CF
40322
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mani Ravee
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:11 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: WTB:
Actually, I did not mind the dimpling at all. Its the tedious deburring of
the holes which get me. I really hate that.
Mani
Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Glad to disagree. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, & this was just plane STUPID.
And a CFI in the plane too.... Too bad they didn't shoot them down. Maybe,
just maybe that would convince others not to fly about willy nilly with
their collective heads stuffed in a place where the sun don't shine. If you
don't know what your doing YOU SHOULDN'T be doing it..... KABONG
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
>
> I agree - he wasn't "rotten" - he was a student pilot that strayed. It
> happens to all of us sometime. He's CFI should have known, but maybe he
> didn't. It's silly to treat them as criminals.
>
> The real problem is the nonsense that is going on in D.C. Radar could
> easily determine that it was a slow-moving, small aircraft that could
> cause little damage, if any.
> Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
It's not final yet, so I don't know, but, knowing the costs of
the individual items, I know it's a pretty penny.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rene wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
>
> Would love to know how much they are going to charge you.
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:31 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
>
>
> Howdy Bob,
>
> I'm not going stock with the panel. I myself LOVE the AFS-2005
> for an EIS. It has the best display layout of any. I REALLY
> wanted to have it, but in my situation it just didn't make sense.
> I was already going with a 2 screen GRT, with XM weather...it's
> really great stuff. So, then they mentioned that if I went with
> them for the EIS, my 3rd (very cheap, by the way) display and EIS
> combo would cost less money, and provide me with a 3rd panel that
> would also be capable of acting like a horizon, map, EIS, DG/HSI,
> or any of the functions. So I decided to bite and just go all
> 3 GRT screens. GRT might not be as pretty, but it's actually
> the same glass on the screens, so as long as they program it nicely,
> it should be able to look exactly as good. GRT plans to work on it
> quite a bit.
>
> So, at SNF I made the decision to have the Aerocraft guys do the
> panel with one of those snazzy fiberglass do-jobbies. I'm currently
> in the panel layout revision process. Attached is Rev2 that they've
> sent me. Providing that they come up with good pricing on the
> avionics and overall work, I'll be very shortly giving my go ahead
> to build the panel. If the price of equipment is way off though,
> then I may possibly be just doing a modification to the standard
> Panel....lowering it about 1.5" and reworking what's necessary to
> get the same basic layout.
>
> So, see the attached drawing for a peek at what I'm leanding towards.
> There are further changes that aren't shown yet.
>
> Tim
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>><bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>>Tim,
>>
>>I meant to ask about your panel layout. Are you using the stock
>>panel? I'm planning on what sounds like a similar avionics config,
>>and when you add in an engine monitor you're almost out of room!
>>Going w/the GRT stuff would help but I really like the AFS-2500.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>Bob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless
>>Handheld
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Actually, it's probably true that there's more there than I really
need (if everything stays running), but, I'll try to answer this
in 2 paragraphs or less. ;)
It's 3 GRT's, an MX-20, CNX-80, SL-30, GTX 330. There is only one
Turn Coord.....I have a TruTrak Turn-n-bank, and a Trutrak ADI. They
look a lot alike though...but one does attitude, one does turn rate.
The standard CDI I'll explain in the next paragraph.
My Philosophy is this: I want redundancy, and I don't want my
redundancy to be more glass panels. I've never flown with a glass panel
EFIS before, but it sure looks to me like the screens get busy. Since
I'm going to have backups, I wanted stand-alone backups that would
be things that I'd definitely be comfortable with....standard airspeed,
Altimetier, Horizon, TC, and CDI. That way I know that even if the
EFIS dumps, or I feel I want a different representation or cross check,
it's there. There is also one thing that I don't like about an EFIS...
They don't do a good job in many cases duplicating ALL the instruments
in a clean display. Like the old analog race car dash panels...you can
see a needle and instantly and almost subconsciously know what it's
telling you. The busy EFIS displays seem to make some of that a little
harder. So, I decided that I should have both....and hopefully learn
to love the EFIS. As for the MX-20/CNX-80 stuff, I also feel that if
you're gonna shoot Instrument Approaches, you need to be using good,
certified stuff, that gets updated regularly. The certified stuff
has cleaner, nicer displays, and no matter how good the GRT stuff is,
it's still not as good as great certified stuff in it's display. So
the MX-20/GNS-480 are my primary Nav instruments.
Besides that, I just love "stuff". ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> Tim:
>
> Is that 3 GR displays, an MX-20, CNX-80, 2 turn coordinators, and a
> CDI? I like redundancy, too, but are you at risk of going overboard?
>
>
> TDT 40025
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wed 5/11/2005 9:31 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re:
> RV10-List: Antenna Selection
>
>
>
>
> Howdy Bob,
>
> I'm not going stock with the panel. I myself LOVE the AFS-2005 for
> an EIS. It has the best display layout of any. I REALLY wanted to
> have it, but in my situation it just didn't make sense. I was already
> going with a 2 screen GRT, with XM weather...it's really great stuff.
> So, then they mentioned that if I went with them for the EIS, my 3rd
> (very cheap, by the way) display and EIS combo would cost less money,
> and provide me with a 3rd panel that would also be capable of acting
> like a horizon, map, EIS, DG/HSI, or any of the functions. So I
> decided to bite and just go all 3 GRT screens. GRT might not be as
> pretty, but it's actually the same glass on the screens, so as long
> as they program it nicely, it should be able to look exactly as good.
> GRT plans to work on it quite a bit.
>
> So, at SNF I made the decision to have the Aerocraft guys do the
> panel with one of those snazzy fiberglass do-jobbies. I'm currently
> in the panel layout revision process. Attached is Rev2 that they've
> sent me. Providing that they come up with good pricing on the
> avionics and overall work, I'll be very shortly giving my go ahead to
> build the panel. If the price of equipment is way off though, then I
> may possibly be just doing a modification to the standard
> Panel....lowering it about 1.5" and reworking what's necessary to get
> the same basic layout.
>
> So, see the attached drawing for a peek at what I'm leanding towards.
> There are further changes that aren't shown yet.
>
> Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> I meant to ask about your panel layout. Are you using the stock
>> panel? I'm planning on what sounds like a similar avionics config,
>> and when you add in an engine monitor you're almost out of room!
>> Going w/the GRT stuff would help but I really like the AFS-2500.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Bob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless
>> Handheld
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
here is my 2 cents
I believe you will get used to the glass panel sooner than you think
I flew often with many of my friends/instruments students in their newly
acquired Cirrus/Lanceairs with 2 glass panels
and found them way better than the old analog steam gages
actually my concern is that once you are used to the glass it was very
difficult to transition back to scanning the back up analog
as vigilant as I tried to be I/we found ourselves using the glass
exclusively and not even glancing at the analog gages
I tried a couple of simulated glass panel failures and discovered that we
did much better switching to the secondary display then to scan the analog
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Actually, it's probably true that there's more there than I really
> need (if everything stays running), but, I'll try to answer this
> in 2 paragraphs or less. ;)
>
> It's 3 GRT's, an MX-20, CNX-80, SL-30, GTX 330. There is only one
> Turn Coord.....I have a TruTrak Turn-n-bank, and a Trutrak ADI. They
> look a lot alike though...but one does attitude, one does turn rate.
> The standard CDI I'll explain in the next paragraph.
>
> My Philosophy is this: I want redundancy, and I don't want my
> redundancy to be more glass panels. I've never flown with a glass panel
> EFIS before, but it sure looks to me like the screens get busy. Since
> I'm going to have backups, I wanted stand-alone backups that would
> be things that I'd definitely be comfortable with....standard airspeed,
> Altimetier, Horizon, TC, and CDI. That way I know that even if the
> EFIS dumps, or I feel I want a different representation or cross check,
> it's there. There is also one thing that I don't like about an EFIS...
> They don't do a good job in many cases duplicating ALL the instruments
> in a clean display. Like the old analog race car dash panels...you can
> see a needle and instantly and almost subconsciously know what it's
> telling you. The busy EFIS displays seem to make some of that a little
> harder. So, I decided that I should have both....and hopefully learn
> to love the EFIS. As for the MX-20/CNX-80 stuff, I also feel that if
> you're gonna shoot Instrument Approaches, you need to be using good,
> certified stuff, that gets updated regularly. The certified stuff
> has cleaner, nicer displays, and no matter how good the GRT stuff is,
> it's still not as good as great certified stuff in it's display. So
> the MX-20/GNS-480 are my primary Nav instruments.
>
> Besides that, I just love "stuff". ;)
>
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > Tim:
> >
> > Is that 3 GR displays, an MX-20, CNX-80, 2 turn coordinators, and a
> > CDI? I like redundancy, too, but are you at risk of going overboard?
> >
> >
> > TDT 40025
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Wed 5/11/2005 9:31 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re:
> > RV10-List: Antenna Selection
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy Bob,
> >
> > I'm not going stock with the panel. I myself LOVE the AFS-2005 for
> > an EIS. It has the best display layout of any. I REALLY wanted to
> > have it, but in my situation it just didn't make sense. I was already
> > going with a 2 screen GRT, with XM weather...it's really great stuff.
> > So, then they mentioned that if I went with them for the EIS, my 3rd
> > (very cheap, by the way) display and EIS combo would cost less money,
> > and provide me with a 3rd panel that would also be capable of acting
> > like a horizon, map, EIS, DG/HSI, or any of the functions. So I
> > decided to bite and just go all 3 GRT screens. GRT might not be as
> > pretty, but it's actually the same glass on the screens, so as long
> > as they program it nicely, it should be able to look exactly as good.
> > GRT plans to work on it quite a bit.
> >
> > So, at SNF I made the decision to have the Aerocraft guys do the
> > panel with one of those snazzy fiberglass do-jobbies. I'm currently
> > in the panel layout revision process. Attached is Rev2 that they've
> > sent me. Providing that they come up with good pricing on the
> > avionics and overall work, I'll be very shortly giving my go ahead to
> > build the panel. If the price of equipment is way off though, then I
> > may possibly be just doing a modification to the standard
> > Panel....lowering it about 1.5" and reworking what's necessary to get
> > the same basic layout.
> >
> > So, see the attached drawing for a peek at what I'm leanding towards.
> > There are further changes that aren't shown yet.
> >
> > Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
> >> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> >>
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> I meant to ask about your panel layout. Are you using the stock
> >> panel? I'm planning on what sounds like a similar avionics config,
> >> and when you add in an engine monitor you're almost out of room!
> >> Going w/the GRT stuff would help but I really like the AFS-2500.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> Bob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless
> >> Handheld
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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