Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:28 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:36 AM - airspace incursion (David McNeill)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: Antenna Selection (Jesse Saint)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: WTB: (Rick)
6. 07:03 AM - Re: airspace incursion (Roger Standley)
7. 07:45 AM - Compressor (Larry)
8. 08:00 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Wayne Edgerton)
9. 08:03 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
10. 08:27 AM - Re: Compressor (Rick)
11. 08:40 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (son hoang)
12. 09:13 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Jesse Saint)
13. 09:16 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Cory Emberson)
14. 10:10 AM - Aluminum 2 blade MT Propeller Advertisement (LessDragProd@AOL.COM)
15. 10:20 AM - Re: Aluminum 2 blade MT Propeller Advertisement (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
16. 10:27 AM - Re: WTB: (ddavis@virtual-corp.net)
17. 10:38 AM - Re: airspace incursion (Wayne Edgerton)
18. 10:41 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Wayne Edgerton)
19. 10:43 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Wayne Edgerton)
20. 10:47 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
21. 11:10 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Rick)
22. 11:16 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (jdalton77)
23. 11:21 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (jdalton77)
24. 11:35 AM - Re: airspace incursion (jdalton77)
25. 11:44 AM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (James Ochs)
26. 11:45 AM - Re: Yo (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
27. 12:49 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Tim Olson)
28. 01:02 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Cory Emberson)
29. 01:24 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Mani Ravee)
30. 01:57 PM - plane flew into restricted airspace (Wayne Edgerton)
31. 02:10 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Wayne Edgerton)
32. 02:13 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
33. 02:19 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (Jesse Saint)
34. 02:42 PM - can we talk about the 10??? (Chris , Susie McGough)
35. 02:54 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (John Jessen)
36. 03:32 PM - good tool supplier... (James Ochs)
37. 03:40 PM - Re: can we talk about the 10??? (John Jessen)
38. 04:05 PM - Re: can we talk about the 10??? (McGANN, Ron)
39. 05:18 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (JOHN STARN)
40. 06:17 PM - Re: can we talk about the 10??? (Wayne Edgerton)
41. 06:36 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (brian bollaert)
42. 06:40 PM - Re: plane flew into restricted airspace (brian bollaert)
43. 08:37 PM - Re: Garmin 330 (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
44. 08:37 PM - Re: good tool supplier... (Bill and Tami Britton)
45. 09:31 PM - Re: Garmin 330 (Dave Saylor)
46. 10:41 PM - Re: good tool supplier... (James Ochs)
47. 10:53 PM - Re: good tool supplier... (ddavis@virtual-corp.net)
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Well said!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
David
son hoang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>White House and Congress evacuated
>red level alert
>stock market dived because of the security scare
>
>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>I just shook my head in disbelief
>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
fly
>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>
>
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| Subject: | airspace incursion |
I propose that the US government offer a Z prize similar in nature to the X prize
that Mr. Allen offered for the civilian space project. The Z prize would be
for depositing a 5 pound payload at the White House. Of course the only entrants
to the contest should be loyal US citizens whose entries must be non destructive
and entrants must be immune from prosecution. An award of perhaps $1 million
tax free would ensure plenty of participation. There are lots of ways to
accomplish same and do not include the use of light aircraft. The HS bureaucrats
are running the asylum inside the beltway. Fiy aman Allah.
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't notice this
huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was on its way.
What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark and slide down
the side?
TDT
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Well said!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
David
son hoang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>White House and Congress evacuated
>red level alert
>stock market dived because of the security scare
>
>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>I just shook my head in disbelief
>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
fly
>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>
>
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We are going with a Bob Archer NAV in one wingtip and a COM in the other.
We have our GPS antenna going on the dash. We have another COM antenna off
a Mooney (aerodynamic - no round surfaces causing lots of drag) going on the
belly with a Transponder fin and a Marker Beacon boat. There will be no
holes on the top of our airplane to have to seal. Only three antennas will
be external. We are putting the ELT in the tail under the VS/HS fairing.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Cosmetics Aside, I'd use the Archer wingtip version for BOTH the NAV & Mkr
Beacon. They perform beatifully, and Bob can give you some details as to
why his Mkr Beacon antenna actually will out-perform the slet/boat type
antennas. Heck, for the price, put one NAV antenna in each wingtip, then
forget about all the diplexer/splitter headache.
I also agree with the previous lister, I wouldn't bother with the combined
XM/GPS antenna...it's more of a marketing gimmic than a real huge advantage.
Also, good decision on the bent whip. You'll be hard pressed to find a
better performing antenna on these RV's. Both the D&M as well as the Comat
perform very well.
Just my 2 cents (and no...I'm not selling the Archer antennas...yet)!
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Selection
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I ordered some of my antennas, but didn't get them all because
I have some questions.
I ordered:
2 Comant CI-122 Bent Whip Com antennas for the belly
1 TED Transponder antenna (similar to Comant CI-101)
1 Comant Marker Beacon antenna CI-102
My plan for the NAV/GS is to put a Comant Cat Whiskers
antenna on the top of the Vertical Stab. I was thinking
the CI-157P. Is there a better suggestion?
I was also planning to get a Nav Coupler to split the
NAV's into 2 signals, but I'm not sure if you can also
split the Glideslope into 2 signals. Any tips there
would be appreciated. I'm going with an SL-30 and GNS-480,
by the way, and I know that some of those have the ability
to split the signals built right in.
It is possible, since I know that when you couple the
antennas like that, you actually "share" the signal, so you
don't get the full power to each radio, that I'll do something
else like put a Bob Archer Nav/GS antenna in the Right wingtip
also, so I don't have to couple the Nav/GS signals. If that's
the better option, point me in that direction...it's probably
as cheap as a coupler anyway.
As for the GPS antenna, I talked to Comant at SNF and they mentioned
that even though my GNS-480 will come with an antenna, I would be
better off with a GPS/XM radio antenna like the CI-420-420...since
I plan to have XM weather on my MX-20 (or GRT EFIS). That one
is still up in the air.
Any other recommendations always appreciated. As you can tell though,
I'm not against the porcupine look, so don't bother talking me into
concealed antennas just for the sake of hiding them. My main goal
is the strongest, clearest, most reliable signal.....then I'll
think about cosmetics.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: airspace incursion |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:04:59 -0700
NOT funny. Please don't use this list for that sort of thing.
Thank you
Roger #40291
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill<mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I propose that the US government offer a Z prize similar in nature to the X prize
that Mr. Allen offered for the civilian space project. The Z prize would
be for depositing a 5 pound payload at the White House. Of course the only entrants
to the contest should be loyal US citizens whose entries must be non destructive
and entrants must be immune from prosecution. An award of perhaps $1
million tax free would ensure plenty of participation. There are lots of ways
to accomplish same and do not include the use of light aircraft. The HS bureaucrats
are running the asylum inside the beltway. Fiy aman Allah.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
On Sunday I purchased a Campbell Hausfeld compressor (Single stage, two
cylinder, 60 gallon tank, model VT6195, 10.2 SCFM @ 90 PSI) for $199
plus $109 freight. Seems like a good deal to me. I have yet to receive
it, but if anyone else is interested they can contact Chuck Oestreich
800.388.0073 or chuckoestreich@pro-fit-intl.com they have one or two more.
Larry Rosen
RV10 #356
Emp Complete, waiting on QB Wings
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| Subject: | Re: plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't notice
this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was on
its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark and
slide down the side?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Well said!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
David
son hoang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>White House and Congress evacuated
>red level alert
>stock market dived because of the security scare
>
>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>I just shook my head in disbelief
>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
fly
>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>
>
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't notice
this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was on
its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark and
slide down the side?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Well said!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
David
son hoang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>White House and Congress evacuated
>red level alert
>stock market dived because of the security scare
>
>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>I just shook my head in disbelief
>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
fly
>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
That sounds like a great deal, I paid that much for my Costco Coleman special that
is starting to drive me NUTS!!
Don't think I can justify buying another right now though, will have to wait for
the coleman to blow a gasket or something.
Do not archive
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
over reaction by the bureaucracy asides
(what if the C 152 carried some home made bomb or biological weapons of some
sort....if they did not do anything the media would have been alll over the
HS and Secret service for not doing their job.....we heard so much about
suicide bombers in Iraq and Israel )
all of the $$$ AOPA, EAA and other aviation organization spent in the last
decades educating the public about the safety and benefits of GA
went down the drain in one lousy incident
how can one not notice the capitol and the white house in day light VMC
?!!!!
put yourself in the position of John Q the public..how do you think they
view this incident
I cringed when I thought of the cost of the Blackhawk and F16s and the
Homeland Security Citation deployed in this case
BTW as search of the FAA database shows that Mr. Sheaffer of PA is not a CFI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't notice
this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was on
its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark and
slide down the side?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Well said!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
David
son hoang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>White House and Congress evacuated
>red level alert
>stock market dived because of the security scare
>
>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>I just shook my head in disbelief
>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
fly
>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>
>
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I guess a more important question would be how big of a bomb could a 152
carry and how much damage could it do. The answer to that is, of course, a
big enough one to do a lot of damage. A little anthrax or something like
that could cause a lot of problems for a lot of "important" people. I do
agree that our airport security and things like that since 9/11 has gone
overboard, but restricted airspace is there for a reason. Part of being a
pilot is knowing what the rules are, right? I guess if that CFI wanted to
teach his student the hard way about the importance of not violating
restricted airspace, the lesson was very well learned. Shame on him!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't notice
this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was on
its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark and
slide down the side?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Well said!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
David
son hoang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>White House and Congress evacuated
>red level alert
>stock market dived because of the security scare
>
>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>I just shook my head in disbelief
>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
fly
>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>
>
>
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
The useful load of a 150 is 615 pounds, and it holds 26 gallons of fuel.
Don't know what an SUV holds. The really big ones, like the Ford Valdez <g>,
probably holds at least that and more.
Cory
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't notice
this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was on
its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark and
slide down the side?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Well said!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
David
son hoang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>White House and Congress evacuated
>red level alert
>stock market dived because of the security scare
>
>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>I just shook my head in disbelief
>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
fly
>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>
>
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| Subject: | Aluminum 2 blade MT Propeller Advertisement |
NEW! JAA/FAA certified 2 blade aluminum constant speed MT-Propeller
MT-Propeller has developed a new high performance 2 blade aluminum propeller
for eliminating certain disadvantages of regular 2 blade aluminum constant
speed propellers.
The 2 blade aluminum MT-Propeller has the following:
- No RPM restrictions for undampened crankshaft Lycoming ( )O-360-series
engines.
- Latest available high efficiency airfoils
- Scimitar blade shape for noise reduction and high performance.
- Smooth running due to close tolerance manufacturing (CNC machined)
The new aluminum MT-Propeller is available for Lycoming and Continental
engines developing up to 300 hp. The maximum diameter is 203 cm (80 inches).
The Lycoming ( )O-360-series MT-Propeller is typically a 72 inch diameter
and includes a spinner assembly installed at the factory to match your cowl.
This allows delivery to be a bolt on propeller assembly. Minimum blade
diameter is 68 inches.
Price is $6,399 plus shipping and any applicable taxes.
13" diameter spinner assembly set for 1 1/2" cowl spacing installed on
propeller.
No cost option: Spinner color - White, Red, Black, Grey, Yellow or left in
primer only.
"Hi-Glo" option - $450 (The "Hi-Glo" option gives the Kevlar/Epoxy spinner
the appearance of a polished aluminum (or chrome) spinner dome.)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Custom Aircraft Propeller - A division of Less Drag Products, Inc.
_www.lessdrag.com_ (http://www.lessdrag.com/)
(805) 795-5377
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| Subject: | Aluminum 2 blade MT Propeller Advertisement |
How about for an IO-540?
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LessDragProd@aol.com
Subject: RV10-List: Aluminum 2 blade MT Propeller Advertisement
NEW! JAA/FAA certified 2 blade aluminum constant speed MT-Propeller
MT-Propeller has developed a new high performance 2 blade aluminum propeller for
eliminating certain disadvantages of regular 2 blade aluminum constant speed
propellers.
The 2 blade aluminum MT-Propeller has the following:
- No RPM restrictions for undampened crankshaft Lycoming ( )O-360-series engines.
- Latest available high efficiency airfoils
- Scimitar blade shape for noise reduction and high performance.
- Smooth running due to close tolerance manufacturing (CNC machined)
The new aluminum MT-Propeller is available for Lycoming and Continental engines
developing up to 300 hp. The maximum diameter is 203 cm (80 inches).
The Lycoming ( )O-360-series MT-Propeller is typically a 72 inch diameter and includes
a spinner assembly installed at the factory to match your cowl. This
allows delivery to be a bolt on propeller assembly. Minimum blade diameter is
68 inches.
Price is $6,399 plus shipping and any applicable taxes.
13" diameter spinner assembly set for 1 1/2" cowl spacing installed on propeller.
No cost option: Spinner color - White, Red, Black, Grey, Yellow or left in primer
only.
"Hi-Glo" option - $450 (The "Hi-Glo" option gives the Kevlar/Epoxy spinner the
appearance of a polished aluminum (or chrome) spinner dome.)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Custom Aircraft Propeller - A division of Less Drag Products, Inc.
www.lessdrag.com <http://www.lessdrag.com/>
(805) 795-5377
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05/12/2005 01:28:44 PM,
Serialize complete at 05/12/2005 01:28:44 PM
I can add to the empathy pool . I needed to have a hip replaced in Feb,
and so i put off ordering my kit until after the recovery. the 1st
attempt was botched, the second revision was fine, but an infection set it
during the surgery, I'm back to about 75% and that's good enough to get
started, I ordered the empcone last week #406 and tools this week.
Yesterday, went down to the airport manager and put my name on the hanger
waiting list (16 months, which is just about what I expect it to take me,
as I'm retired and can put as much time in each day as I like). Can't wait
to get started
Deems Davis
#406 itching
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| Subject: | Re: airspace incursion |
I second your motion on that issue.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
NOT funny. Please don't use this list for that sort of thing.
Thank you
Roger #40291
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I propose that the US government offer a Z prize similar in nature to the X
prize that Mr. Allen offered for the civilian space project. The Z prize would
be for depositing a 5 pound payload at the White House. Of course the only entrants
to the contest should be loyal US citizens whose entries must be non destructive
and entrants must be immune from prosecution. An award of perhaps
$1 million tax free would ensure plenty of participation. There are lots of ways
to accomplish same and do not include the use of light aircraft. The HS bureaucrats
are running the asylum inside the beltway. Fiy aman Allah.
Message 18
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| Subject: | Re: plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
If you aren't to worried about making it back, A LOT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
> <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
> Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
> in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
> notice
> this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
> on
> its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
> and
> slide down the side?
>
> TDT
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Well said!
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>
> Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>
> David
>
>
> son hoang wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>
>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>red level alert
>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>
>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
> fly
>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ====================================
> ====================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would equate
to a bunch of explosives.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
> <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
> Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
> in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
> notice
> this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
> on
> its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
> and
> slide down the side?
>
> TDT
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Well said!
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>
> Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>
> David
>
>
> son hoang wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>
>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>red level alert
>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>
>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
> fly
>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ====================================
> ====================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would equate
to a bunch of explosives.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
> <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
> Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
> in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
> notice
> this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
> on
> its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
> and
> slide down the side?
>
> TDT
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Well said!
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>
> Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>
> David
>
>
> son hoang wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>
>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>red level alert
>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>
>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
> fly
>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ====================================
> ====================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
I kinda like the idea of NOT providing information online about how successful
any of us have been overloading a light GA aircraft. No sense in helping those
bent on hurting us with any information they didn't figure out on their own.
do not archive
Rick S.
40185
Wings
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
152 guys are at fault - just like any other violation of airspace. But
I don't recall being chased down by F-16s, wrestled to the ground upon
landing, and national exposure on the news being the penalty for that
either ...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
--> <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
I don't think they reacted soon enough to 9-11 So I would rather they
over
react than under react. So I guess there damned if they do and damned if
they don't, wouldn't you say?
But if your saying the 152 guys aren't at fault when they entered
restricted
air space, and they created a violation, then who is? We may not agree
with
the rules but we had better follow them if we all want to keep flying as
freely as we do. I've flown in other counties and trust me we've got the
best damned system going out there, bar none, even with its warts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>
> Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual
> problem
> lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>
> David
>
>
> son hoang wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>
>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>red level alert
>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>
>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have
>>to
>>fly
>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
"Too bad they didn't shoot them down."
Nice attitude. Hopefully air-rage isn't something a pilot experiences
when they're near you.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Glad to disagree. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, & this was just plane
STUPID.
And a CFI in the plane too.... Too bad they didn't shoot them down.
Maybe,
just maybe that would convince others not to fly about willy nilly with
their collective heads stuffed in a place where the sun don't shine. If
you
don't know what your doing YOU SHOULDN'T be doing it..... KABONG
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
>
> I agree - he wasn't "rotten" - he was a student pilot that strayed.
> It happens to all of us sometime. He's CFI should have known, but
> maybe he didn't. It's silly to treat them as criminals.
>
> The real problem is the nonsense that is going on in D.C. Radar could
> easily determine that it was a slow-moving, small aircraft that could
> cause little damage, if any. Be very careful to assign blame to one's
> selves when the actual problem lies with over reaction from the
> security Nazi's.
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I 3rd it, but it was kind of funny...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I second your motion on that issue.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger <mailto:taildragon@msn.com> Standley
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
NOT funny. Please don't use this list for that sort of thing.
Thank you
Roger #40291
----- Original Message -----
From: David <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net> McNeill
Subject: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I propose that the US government offer a Z prize similar in nature to
the X prize that Mr. Allen offered for the civilian space project. The Z
prize would be for depositing a 5 pound payload at the White House. Of
course the only entrants to the contest should be loyal US citizens
whose entries must be non destructive and entrants must be immune from
prosecution. An award of perhaps $1 million tax free would ensure
plenty of participation. There are lots of ways to accomplish same and
do not include the use of light aircraft. The HS bureaucrats are running
the asylum inside the beltway. Fiy aman Allah.
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| Subject: | Re: plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Typical politician... Check out the next story down about Loftus as
well. Once they finish with GA I'm sure they will move on to even
further restrictions. Give it five years and Loftus and Daley will be
out there telling us that we need to shoot anyone on sight if they leave
their house.
Personally I think Daley should be cooling his heels in Joliet for
willful destruction of public property for the next 20 years or so, or
until he pays, from his own pocket, both the taxpayer costs incurred by
demolishing the airport and the costs to rebuilt it.
This kind of crap really gets me angry. I agree that the two pilots
that flew into the restricted airspace need to be dealt with
appropriately. The pilot is responsible for knowing everything related
to the flight, including if there is restricted airspace... they failed
on that point and need to take responsibility for it. I can even live
with having restricted airspace over sensitive areas, and it is clearly
the responsibility of the pilot to stay out of those areas. Maybe part
of the punishment should be the same as when you call out the fire
department for a false alarm... you get billed for their services. But
to generalize GA as a bunch of rich people that have nothing better to
do than violate airspace really irks me. Most of the people I know in
GA are neither rich nor irresponsible, they fly because they can't
imagine doing anything else with their time, and as such they are
extremely careful about what they do because they don't want to
jeopardize their ability to go fly.
The reality is that they are going to continue attacking GA because the
terrorists used airplanes on 9/11, it is still fresh in the mind of the
public. Also, one of the things that I think makes it so "real" for
people is that the whole thing was televised, we watched it as it
happened. When the Ok. city bombing happend, and the first WTC bombing
via truck, we only saw the aftermath. The result of that is that if you
park a van in front of a federal building, someone comes by and asks you
to move. In GA's case, the result is that you put up airspace
restrictions and reroute the traffic. I find it very interesting that
Daley doesn't have roadblocks set up at the entrance to the city to keep
the cars and vans out, and hasn't torn up the roads and the harbors at
the edge of the city to make sure that his citizens are safe. He's a
politician... he's supposed to be smart, able to see both sides of an
issue, and make logical decisions... well at least by definition. I
guess in practice its just a hotbutton issue that he thinks will get him
votes.
Anyway. Another idiot makes life hard for us, what else is new.
Do not archive
James
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
>Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
>
>TDT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
>I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would equate
>to a bunch of explosives.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
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>>
>>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>
>>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
>>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
>>notice
>>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
>>on
>>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
>>and
>>slide down the side?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
>>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>>Well said!
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>>
>>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
>>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>son hoang wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
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>>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>>red level alert
>>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>>
>>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>>
>>>
>>fly
>>
>>
>>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
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How about a new topic: How about them Red SOX!!!!
It's a testament to Van's kits that we have time to discuss tangential issues instead
of puzzling over confusing plans, etc . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdalton77
Subject: RE: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I 3rd it, but it was kind of funny...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I second your motion on that issue.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger <mailto:taildragon@msn.com> Standley
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
NOT funny. Please don't use this list for that sort of thing.
Thank you
Roger #40291
----- Original Message -----
From: David <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net> McNeill
Subject: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I propose that the US government offer a Z prize similar in nature to the X prize
that Mr. Allen offered for the civilian space project. The Z prize would be
for depositing a 5 pound payload at the White House. Of course the only entrants
to the contest should be loyal US citizens whose entries must be non destructive
and entrants must be immune from prosecution. An award of perhaps $1 million
tax free would ensure plenty of participation. There are lots of ways to
accomplish same and do not include the use of light aircraft. The HS bureaucrats
are running the asylum inside the beltway. Fiy aman Allah.
Message 27
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| Subject: | Re: plane flew into restricted airspace |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
shipping, or at least produce offshore ship inspection centers that
they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
them.
The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
every time.
That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, the
only have about 1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
holes.
Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
himself didn't make 10% of the headlines that this one tiny cessna
152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
powered airplane.
Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
> I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would equate
> to a bunch of explosives.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>
>>
>>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>
>>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
>>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
>>notice
>>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
>>on
>>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
>>and
>>slide down the side?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
>>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>>Well said!
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>>
>>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
>>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>son hoang wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>>
>>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>>red level alert
>>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>>
>>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>
>>fly
>>
>>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>>
>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
I was just thinking this guy may have turned himself into the aviation
version of Steve Bartman (the Cubs fans who caught that ball that Moises
Alou was going for in the playoff game against the Marlines).
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
shipping, or at least produce offshore ship inspection centers that
they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
them.
The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
every time.
That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, the
only have about 1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
holes.
Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
himself didn't make 10% of the headlines that this one tiny cessna
152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
powered airplane.
Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
<weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
> I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would
equate
> to a bunch of explosives.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>
>>
>>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>
>>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
>>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
>>notice
>>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
>>on
>>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
>>and
>>slide down the side?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
>>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>>Well said!
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>>
>>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
>>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>son hoang wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>>
>>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>>red level alert
>>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>>
>>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>
>>fly
>>
>>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>>
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Tim nice points and well written. Reminds me of an incident we dealt with in Camp
Phoenix in Afghanistan:
We (the 76th Brigade) had just inheritted the Camp and were moving in. Afghanistan
was new to us and we were learning fast. With all the things going on and
organization at its peak, there appeared this tired ole pull cart with fresh mellons
at the camp checkpoint apparently to deliver to the chow hall. Only we
found three huge IEDs in the mellons. (Improvised Explosive Devices)
Now what? No more fruits?
Mani
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
shipping, or at least produce offshore ship inspection centers that
they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
them.
The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
every time.
That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, the
only have about 1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
holes.
Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
himself didn't make 10% of the headlines that this one tiny cessna
152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
powered airplane.
Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>
>
> Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>
> I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would equate
> to a bunch of explosives.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>
>>
>>
>>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>>
>>
>>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
>>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>To:
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
>>notice
>>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
>>on
>>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
>>and
>>slide down the side?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
>>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint"
>>
>>Well said!
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut
>>
>>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
>>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>son hoang wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang"
>>>
>>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>>red level alert
>>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>>
>>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>
>>fly
>>
>>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bob Hodgson"
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
I had an FAA waiver to fly at that weight that allowed me to overload it
with a ferry tank, else I wouldn't have done it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> I kinda like the idea of NOT providing information online about how
> successful any of us have been overloading a light GA aircraft. No sense
> in helping those bent on hurting us with any information they didn't
> figure out on their own.
>
> do not archive
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> Wings
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
I think the original premise was presented as "You can't load that much into
a 152 to do that much damage" not that there are many other ways to deliver
Mr. Death to us, I think we all are painfully aware of that.. And no I don't
just want to give up my plane, that's why I think we have to quit giving
them the damn ammunition to use on us, no pun intended, like these two dumb
shits did. On the note that there are other ways to get at us, I agree, but
lets try a help with our part of the equation as much as possible and the
truckers can take care of the trucks and the boatmen the boats, etc.
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
> the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
> this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
> mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
> Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
>
> Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
> loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
> think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
> clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
> cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
> per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
> shipping, or at least produce offshore ship inspection centers that
> they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
> inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
> We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
> sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
> their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
> DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
> isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
> them.
>
> The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
> everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
> How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
> if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
> every time.
>
> That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
> just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
> in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, the
> only have about 1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
> up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
> or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
>
> Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
> I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
> really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
> threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
> threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
> holes.
>
> Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
> of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
> many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
> Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
> large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
> Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
> himself didn't make 10% of the headlines that this one tiny cessna
> 152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
> thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
> powered airplane.
>
> Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
> I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
> NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
> when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
> never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
> our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
> a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>
>>
>> Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
>>
>> TDT
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>> <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>
>> I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would
>> equate to a bunch of explosives.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>>>
>>>TDT
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>>
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>>><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>>
>>>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going
>>>off
>>>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
>>>notice
>>>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
>>>on
>>>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
>>>and
>>>slide down the side?
>>>
>>>TDT
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
>>>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>>
>>>Well said!
>>>
>>>Jesse Saint
>>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>>www.itecusa.org
>>>W: 352-465-4545
>>>C: 352-427-0285
>>>F: 815-377-3694
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>>>
>>>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
>>>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>
>>>son hoang wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>>>
>>>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>>>red level alert
>>>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>>>
>>>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>>
>>>fly
>>>
>>>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>>>
>>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Hey! How about them Red Sox!!
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
I think the original premise was presented as "You can't load that much into
a 152 to do that much damage" not that there are many other ways to deliver
Mr. Death to us, I think we all are painfully aware of that.. And no I don't
just want to give up my plane, that's why I think we have to quit giving
them the damn ammunition to use on us, no pun intended, like these two dumb
shits did. On the note that there are other ways to get at us, I agree, but
lets try a help with our part of the equation as much as possible and the
truckers can take care of the trucks and the boatmen the boats, etc.
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
> the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
> this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
> mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
> Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
>
> Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
> loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
> think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
> clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
> cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
> per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
> shipping, or at least produce offshore ship inspection centers that
> they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
> inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
> We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
> sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
> their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
> DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
> isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
> them.
>
> The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
> everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
> How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
> if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
> every time.
>
> That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
> just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
> in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, the
> only have about 1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
> up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
> or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
>
> Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
> I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
> really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
> threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
> threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
> holes.
>
> Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
> of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
> many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
> Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
> large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
> Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
> himself didn't make 10% of the headlines that this one tiny cessna
> 152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
> thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
> powered airplane.
>
> Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
> I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
> NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
> when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
> never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
> our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
> a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>
>>
>> Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
>>
>> TDT
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>> <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>
>> I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would
>> equate to a bunch of explosives.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>>>
>>>TDT
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>>
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>>><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>>
>>>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going
>>>off
>>>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
>>>notice
>>>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
>>>on
>>>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
>>>and
>>>slide down the side?
>>>
>>>TDT
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
>>>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>>
>>>Well said!
>>>
>>>Jesse Saint
>>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>>www.itecusa.org
>>>W: 352-465-4545
>>>C: 352-427-0285
>>>F: 815-377-3694
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>>>
>>>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
>>>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>
>>>son hoang wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>>>
>>>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>>>red level alert
>>>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>>>
>>>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>>
>>>fly
>>>
>>>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I second MOST of this.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
shipping, or at least produce offshore ship inspection centers that
they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
them.
The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
every time.
That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, the
only have about 1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
holes.
Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
himself didn't make 10% of the headlines that this one tiny cessna
152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
powered airplane.
Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
<weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
> I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would
equate
> to a bunch of explosives.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>
>>
>>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>
>>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
>>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
>>notice
>>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
>>on
>>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
>>and
>>slide down the side?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
>>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>>Well said!
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>>
>>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
>>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>son hoang wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>>>
>>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>>red level alert
>>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>>
>>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>
>>fly
>>
>>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
>>>
>>>
>>>
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MessageHere here!!....filling up the inbox with non related RV stuff....please
guys if you have to chatter on please put do not archive.
Please take absolutely no ofence but I believe this is the 10 list?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 4:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Yo
How about a new topic: How about them Red SOX!!!!
It's a testament to Van's kits that we have time to discuss tangential issues
instead of puzzling over confusing plans, etc . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:34 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: airspace incursion
Importance: High
I 3rd it, but it was kind of funny...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:36 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I second your motion on that issue.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
NOT funny. Please don't use this list for that sort of thing.
Thank you
Roger #40291
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I propose that the US government offer a Z prize similar in nature to
the X prize that Mr. Allen offered for the civilian space project. The Z prize
would be for depositing a 5 pound payload at the White House. Of course the
only entrants to the contest should be loyal US citizens whose entries must be
non destructive and entrants must be immune from prosecution. An award of perhaps
$1 million tax free would ensure plenty of participation. There are lots
of ways to accomplish same and do not include the use of light aircraft. The
HS bureaucrats are running the asylum inside the beltway. Fiy aman Allah.
Message 35
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After reading the posts on this topic, the news articles, both aviation and
otherwise, and understanding that there are some very real threats to our
collective good out there that can employ some very nasty, even if not
ultimately destructive gadgets, both conventional and otherwise, it does
make me cautious about taking a stand against the actions taken against the
C-152 and its "pilots." I put pilots in quotes, because I cannot imagine in
today's GA world how even a student pilot could have allowed this to happen,
let alone one who is in the right seat and who has the responsibility of
training, a huge part of training today being knowing your airspace and
being aware of where you are. Given the area, it should not have been at
all difficult to understand where not to be.
I know that there is a difference of opinion as to whether or not the GA
life we lead is a right or a privilege. Let me just point out that whatever
it is, it can be made a restricted privilege very quickly, or be made so
expensive that only those who can afford it as a luxury (as if it isn't
already) will be able to participate. So without debating further the many
points that our discussions have raised, we all need to admit that this type
of "incident" is not something that is good for GA overall, and that we need
to be vigilant in both our defense of flying, to keep it as free of
government incursion as possible, and vigilant in our flying, to keep the
rabid press from sensationalizing us out of our freedoms.
GA pilots are largely extremely responsible and knowledgeable people. I
cannot imagine that those folks in the C-152 and other planes who have
violated restricted airspace actually meant to do so in some malicious way.
Hell, just probabilities alone will have some one or another wander where
they shouldn't be. However, it still does not do the GA population any good
that it happened, and now we are once again back on our collective GA heals.
Not at all where I want to be.
What we are dealing with is like flying. There's weather ahead and we need
to be aware of it, we need to avoid it if possible, we need to be skilled
enough to deal with it head on if that's what happens, but we cannot just
close our eyes and ignore it, or wonder if it should be there in the first
place. It's there. Let's be smart in how we deal with it. Given the great
entertainment value the press finds in every GA airplane flying into no-no
land, we need to be on the offensive with good PR locally and nationally,
good adherence to current restrictions until we have them removed or
reduced, and good pilot education about the seriousness of what this frontal
system means to our overall GA health.
There. Got it out of my system. Now, back to work.
John Jessen
-> Empcone 1%
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mani Ravee
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
Tim nice points and well written. Reminds me of an incident we dealt with in
Camp Phoenix in Afghanistan:
We (the 76th Brigade) had just inheritted the Camp and were moving in.
Afghanistan was new to us and we were learning fast. With all the things
going on and organization at its peak, there appeared this tired ole pull
cart with fresh mellons at the camp checkpoint apparently to deliver to the
chow hall. Only we found three huge IEDs in the mellons. (Improvised
Explosive Devices)
Now what? No more fruits?
Mani
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
shipping, or at least produce offshore ship insp ection centers that
they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
them.
The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
every time.
That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, theonly have about
1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
holes.
Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
himself didn't make 10% of the headlines tha t this one tiny cessna
152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
powered airplane.
Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>
>
> Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> ; From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>
> I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would
equate
> to a bunch of explosives.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>
>>
>>
>>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>>
>>
>>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going off
>>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>To:
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
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>>I do n't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
>>notice
>>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
>>on
>>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
>>and
>>slide down the side?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
>>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint"
>>
>>Well said!
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut
>>
>>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
>>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>son hoang wrote:
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>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang"
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>>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>>red level alert
>>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>>
>>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>
>>fly
>>
>>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bob Hodgson"
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Hi All,
Just got off the phone with clear air tools. I bought one of their
rebuilt tandem squeezers off of ebay and called them to finish up the
payment. I asked the gentleman who answered the phone if he was
familiar with the particular model I bought and his response was "yes,
I'm the one who rebuilt it". He then spent the next 10 minutes on the
phone with me answering questions I had and (he's an RV-6 offender)
explaining some of the techniques he used to set up a table for how many
/ what size washers to use since it doesn't have an adjustable set holder.
They apparently manufacture their yokes and rebuild their own squeezers
as well. They have a one year warranty on rivet guns and squeezers,
including rebuilt ones and also including return shipping.
They have a pretty limited catalog, but they do have pretty much
anything you need for riveting ;)
I'll let you all know how the tool itself turns out, but at this point I
would highly recommend doing business with them if you are in the market
for tools.
Their website is http://clearairtools.com
James
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| Subject: | can we talk about the 10??? |
Agreed, but sometimes it's cathartic to take a moment and vent, especially
for something this close to home.
By the way, I keep forgetting to put a "do not archive" when I should have.
Is there anyway to do this after the fact, after you've sent in the rant?
Can the original author ask for it?
John
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
McGough
Subject: RV10-List: can we talk about the 10???
Here here!!....filling up the inbox with non related RV stuff....please guys
if you have to chatter on please put do not archive.
Please take absolutely no ofence but I believe this is the 10 list?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim <mailto:Tdawson@avidyne.com> Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Yo
How about a new topic: How about them Red SOX!!!!
It's a testament to Van's kits that we have time to discuss tangential
issues instead of puzzling over confusing plans, etc . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdalton77
Subject: RE: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I 3rd it, but it was kind of funny...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I second your motion on that issue.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger <mailto:taildragon@msn.com> Standley
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
NOT funny. Please don't use this list for that sort of thing.
Thank you
Roger #40291
----- Original Message -----
From: David <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net> McNeill
Subject: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I propose that the US government offer a Z prize similar in nature to the X
prize that Mr. Allen offered for the civilian space project. The Z prize
would be for depositing a 5 pound payload at the White House. Of course the
only entrants to the contest should be loyal US citizens whose entries must
be non destructive and entrants must be immune from prosecution. An award
of perhaps $1 million tax free would ensure plenty of participation. There
are lots of ways to accomplish same and do not include the use of light
aircraft. The HS bureaucrats are running the asylum inside the beltway. Fiy
aman Allah.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Good on ya Chris (40 noise level posts in the mail box is a bit rich) - BTW
what's a Red SOX (Go the Swans :-))
Ron
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
McGough
Subject: RV10-List: can we talk about the 10???
Here here!!....filling up the inbox with non related RV stuff....please guys
if you have to chatter on please put do not archive.
Please take absolutely no ofence but I believe this is the 10 list?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim <mailto:Tdawson@avidyne.com> Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Yo
How about a new topic: How about them Red SOX!!!!
It's a testament to Van's kits that we have time to discuss tangential
issues instead of puzzling over confusing plans, etc . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdalton77
Subject: RE: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I 3rd it, but it was kind of funny...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I second your motion on that issue.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger <mailto:taildragon@msn.com> Standley
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
NOT funny. Please don't use this list for that sort of thing.
Thank you
Roger #40291
----- Original Message -----
From: David <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net> McNeill
Subject: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I propose that the US government offer a Z prize similar in nature to the X
prize that Mr. Allen offered for the civilian space project. The Z prize
would be for depositing a 5 pound payload at the White House. Of course the
only entrants to the contest should be loyal US citizens whose entries must
be non destructive and entrants must be immune from prosecution. An award
of perhaps $1 million tax free would ensure plenty of participation. There
are lots of ways to accomplish same and do not include the use of light
aircraft. The HS bureaucrats are running the asylum inside the beltway. Fiy
aman Allah.
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"Do Not Archive". KABOBG
----- Original Message -----
From: John Jessen
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
After reading the posts on this topic, the news articles, both aviation and otherwise,
and understanding that there are some very real threats to our collective
good out there that can employ some very nasty, even if not ultimately destructive
gadgets, both conventional and otherwise, it does make me cautious
about taking a stand against the actions taken against the C-152 and its "pilots."
I put pilots in quotes, because I cannot imagine in today's GA world how
even a student pilot could have allowed this to happen, let alone one who is
in the right seat and who has the responsibility of training, a huge part of training
today being knowing your airspace and being aware of where you are. Given
the area, it should not have been at all difficult to understand where not
to be.
I know that there is a difference of opinion as to whether or not the GA life
we lead is a right or a privilege. Let me just point out that whatever it is,
it can be made a restricted privilege very quickly, or be made so expensive
that only those who can afford it as a luxury (as if it isn't already) will be
able to participate. So without debating further the many points that our discussions
have raised, we all need to admit that this type of "incident" is not
something that is good for GA overall, and that we need to be vigilant in both
our defense of flying, to keep it as free of government incursion as possible,
and vigilant in our flying, to keep the rabid press from sensationalizing
us out of our freedoms.
GA pilots are largely extremely responsible and knowledgeable people. I cannot
imagine that those folks in the C-152 and other planes who have violated restricted
airspace actually meant to do so in some malicious way. Hell, just probabilities
alone will have some one or another wander where they shouldn't be.
However, it still does not do the GA population any good that it happened,
and now we are once again back on our collective GA heals. Not at all where
I want to be.
What we are dealing with is like flying. There's weather ahead and we need to
be aware of it, we need to avoid it if possible, we need to be skilled enough
to deal with it head on if that's what happens, but we cannot just close our
eyes and ignore it, or wonder if it should be there in the first place. It's
there. Let's be smart in how we deal with it. Given the great entertainment
value the press finds in every GA airplane flying into no-no land, we need to
be on the offensive with good PR locally and nationally, good adherence to current
restrictions until we have them removed or reduced, and good pilot education
about the seriousness of what this frontal system means to our overall GA
health.
There. Got it out of my system. Now, back to work.
John Jessen
-> Empcone 1%
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mani Ravee
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:24 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
Tim nice points and well written. Reminds me of an incident we dealt with in
Camp Phoenix in Afghanistan:
We (the 76th Brigade) had just inheritted the Camp and were moving in. Afghanistan
was new to us and we were learning fast. With all the things going on
and organization at its peak, there appeared this tired ole pull cart with fresh
mellons at the camp checkpoint apparently to deliver to the chow hall. Only
we found three huge IEDs in the mellons. (Improvised Explosive Devices)
Now what? No more fruits?
Mani
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
shipping, or at least produce offshore ship insp ection centers that
they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
them.
The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
every time.
That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, theonly have about
1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
holes.
Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
himself didn't make 10% of the headlines tha t this one tiny cessna
152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
powered airplane.
Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>
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> Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
>
> TDT
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> ; From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>
> I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would equate
> to a bunch of explosives.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
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>>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
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>>TDT
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
>>
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>>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going
off
>>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>>To:
>>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
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>>I do n't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
>>notice
>>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
>>on
>>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
>>and
>>slide down the side?
>>
>>TDT
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
>>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
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>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint"
>>
>>Well said!
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>>W: 352-465-4545
>>C: 352-427-0285
>>F: 815-377-3694
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut
>>
>>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
>>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
>>
>>David
>>
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>>son hoang wrote:
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>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang"
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>>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
>>>White House and Congress evacuated
>>>red level alert
>>>stock market dived because of the security scare
>>>
>>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
>>>I just shook my head in disbelief
>>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
>>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have to
>>
>>fly
>>
>>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bob Hodgson"
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
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MessageI did the same thing and forgot to say "Do not archive" But anything that
I've put in so far falls in that category if you want to remove or not archive
it. Sorry for the chatter and I agree it doesn't help build the plane.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Jessen
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: can we talk about the 10???
Agreed, but sometimes it's cathartic to take a moment and vent, especially for
something this close to home.
By the way, I keep forgetting to put a "do not archive" when I should have.
Is there anyway to do this after the fact, after you've sent in the rant? Can
the original author ask for it?
John
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie McGough
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:41 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: can we talk about the 10???
Here here!!....filling up the inbox with non related RV stuff....please guys
if you have to chatter on please put do not archive.
Please take absolutely no ofence but I believe this is the 10 list?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 4:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Yo
How about a new topic: How about them Red SOX!!!!
It's a testament to Van's kits that we have time to discuss tangential issues
instead of puzzling over confusing plans, etc . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:34 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: airspace incursion
Importance: High
I 3rd it, but it was kind of funny...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:36 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I second your motion on that issue.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: airspace incursion
NOT funny. Please don't use this list for that sort of thing.
Thank you
Roger #40291
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: airspace incursion
I propose that the US government offer a Z prize similar in nature
to the X prize that Mr. Allen offered for the civilian space project. The Z
prize would be for depositing a 5 pound payload at the White House. Of course
the only entrants to the contest should be loyal US citizens whose entries must
be non destructive and entrants must be immune from prosecution. An award of
perhaps $1 million tax free would ensure plenty of participation. There are
lots of ways to accomplish same and do not include the use of light aircraft.
The HS bureaucrats are running the asylum inside the beltway. Fiy aman Allah.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Well said James , i am kind of suprised that AOPA hasen't said anything yet
( i am shure they will ) relax and enjoy roy dinner !
Brian B
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Typical politician... Check out the next story down about Loftus as
> well. Once they finish with GA I'm sure they will move on to even
> further restrictions. Give it five years and Loftus and Daley will be
> out there telling us that we need to shoot anyone on sight if they leave
> their house.
>
> Personally I think Daley should be cooling his heels in Joliet for
> willful destruction of public property for the next 20 years or so, or
> until he pays, from his own pocket, both the taxpayer costs incurred by
> demolishing the airport and the costs to rebuilt it.
>
> This kind of crap really gets me angry. I agree that the two pilots
> that flew into the restricted airspace need to be dealt with
> appropriately. The pilot is responsible for knowing everything related
> to the flight, including if there is restricted airspace... they failed
> on that point and need to take responsibility for it. I can even live
> with having restricted airspace over sensitive areas, and it is clearly
> the responsibility of the pilot to stay out of those areas. Maybe part
> of the punishment should be the same as when you call out the fire
> department for a false alarm... you get billed for their services. But
> to generalize GA as a bunch of rich people that have nothing better to
> do than violate airspace really irks me. Most of the people I know in
> GA are neither rich nor irresponsible, they fly because they can't
> imagine doing anything else with their time, and as such they are
> extremely careful about what they do because they don't want to
> jeopardize their ability to go fly.
>
> The reality is that they are going to continue attacking GA because the
> terrorists used airplanes on 9/11, it is still fresh in the mind of the
> public. Also, one of the things that I think makes it so "real" for
> people is that the whole thing was televised, we watched it as it
> happened. When the Ok. city bombing happend, and the first WTC bombing
> via truck, we only saw the aftermath. The result of that is that if you
> park a van in front of a federal building, someone comes by and asks you
> to move. In GA's case, the result is that you put up airspace
> restrictions and reroute the traffic. I find it very interesting that
> Daley doesn't have roadblocks set up at the entrance to the city to keep
> the cars and vans out, and hasn't torn up the roads and the harbors at
> the edge of the city to make sure that his citizens are safe. He's a
> politician... he's supposed to be smart, able to see both sides of an
> issue, and make logical decisions... well at least by definition. I
> guess in practice its just a hotbutton issue that he thinks will get him
> votes.
>
> Anyway. Another idiot makes life hard for us, what else is new.
>
> Do not archive
>
> James
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> >Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
> >
> >TDT
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> >Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
<weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> >
> >I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would
equate
> >to a bunch of explosives.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> >><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
> >><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> >>
> >>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going
off
> >>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
> >>notice
> >>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
> >>on
> >>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
> >>and
> >>slide down the side?
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
> >>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> >>
> >>Well said!
> >>
> >>Jesse Saint
> >>I-TEC, Inc.
> >>jesse@itecusa.org
> >>www.itecusa.org
> >>W: 352-465-4545
> >>C: 352-427-0285
> >>F: 815-377-3694
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
> >>
> >>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> >>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
> >>
> >>David
> >>
> >>
> >>son hoang wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
> >>>
> >>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
> >>>White House and Congress evacuated
> >>>red level alert
> >>>stock market dived because of the security scare
> >>>
> >>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
> >>>I just shook my head in disbelief
> >>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
> >>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have
to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>fly
> >>
> >>
> >>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>====================================
> >>====================================
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Relax Tim ,
Just do some work on the plane and you will feel better !
Brian B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
> the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
> this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
> mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
> Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
>
> Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
> loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
> think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
> clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
> cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
> per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
> shipping, or at least produce offshore ship inspection centers that
> they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
> inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
> We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
> sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
> their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
> DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
> isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
> them.
>
> The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
> everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
> How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
> if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
> every time.
>
> That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
> just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
> in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, the
> only have about 1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
> up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
> or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
>
> Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
> I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
> really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
> threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
> threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
> holes.
>
> Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
> of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
> many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
> Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
> large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
> Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
> himself didn't make 10% of the headlines that this one tiny cessna
> 152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
> thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
> powered airplane.
>
> Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
> I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
> NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
> when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
> never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
> our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
> a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> > Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
> >
> > TDT
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
<weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> >
> > I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would
equate
> > to a bunch of explosives.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> >><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
> >><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> >>
> >>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going
off
> >>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
> >>notice
> >>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
> >>on
> >>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
> >>and
> >>slide down the side?
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
> >>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> >>
> >>Well said!
> >>
> >>Jesse Saint
> >>I-TEC, Inc.
> >>jesse@itecusa.org
> >>www.itecusa.org
> >>W: 352-465-4545
> >>C: 352-427-0285
> >>F: 815-377-3694
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
> >>
> >>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> >>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
> >>
> >>David
> >>
> >>
> >>son hoang wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
> >>>
> >>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
> >>>White House and Congress evacuated
> >>>red level alert
> >>>stock market dived because of the security scare
> >>>
> >>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
> >>>I just shook my head in disbelief
> >>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
> >>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have
to
> >>
> >>fly
> >>
> >>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Anyone know where I could get an install manual for a Garmin GTX330 transponder?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of brian bollaert
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Relax Tim ,
Just do some work on the plane and you will feel better !
Brian B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
> the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
> this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
> mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
> Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
>
> Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
> loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
> think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
> clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
> cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
> per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
> shipping, or at least produce offshore ship inspection centers that
> they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
> inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
> We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
> sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
> their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
> DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
> isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
> them.
>
> The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
> everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
> How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
> if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
> every time.
>
> That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
> just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
> in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, the
> only have about 1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
> up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
> or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
>
> Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
> I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
> really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
> threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
> threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
> holes.
>
> Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
> of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
> many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
> Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
> large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
> Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
> himself didn't make 10% of the headlines that this one tiny cessna
> 152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
> thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
> powered airplane.
>
> Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
> I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
> NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
> when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
> never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
> our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
> a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> > Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
> >
> > TDT
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
<weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> >
> > I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would
equate
> > to a bunch of explosives.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> >><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
> >><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> >>
> >>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going
off
> >>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
> >>notice
> >>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
> >>on
> >>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
> >>and
> >>slide down the side?
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
> >>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> >>
> >>Well said!
> >>
> >>Jesse Saint
> >>I-TEC, Inc.
> >>jesse@itecusa.org
> >>www.itecusa.org
> >>W: 352-465-4545
> >>C: 352-427-0285
> >>F: 815-377-3694
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
> >>
> >>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> >>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
> >>
> >>David
> >>
> >>
> >>son hoang wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
> >>>
> >>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
> >>>White House and Congress evacuated
> >>>red level alert
> >>>stock market dived because of the security scare
> >>>
> >>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
> >>>I just shook my head in disbelief
> >>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
> >>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have
to
> >>
> >>fly
> >>
> >>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
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> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
James, I recently purchased a pneumatic squeezer without an adjustable set
holder. Could you send the recommendations on how many washers to use as
spacers for the different size rivets??? Also, I don't have any of the
washers but does anybody know their specs (can they be found locally at a
hardware store or are they aviation specific)???
TIA
Bill Britton
RV-10 Emp #40137
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Subject: RV10-List: good tool supplier...
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just got off the phone with clear air tools. I bought one of their
> rebuilt tandem squeezers off of ebay and called them to finish up the
> payment. I asked the gentleman who answered the phone if he was
> familiar with the particular model I bought and his response was "yes,
> I'm the one who rebuilt it". He then spent the next 10 minutes on the
> phone with me answering questions I had and (he's an RV-6 offender)
> explaining some of the techniques he used to set up a table for how many
> / what size washers to use since it doesn't have an adjustable set holder.
>
> They apparently manufacture their yokes and rebuild their own squeezers
> as well. They have a one year warranty on rivet guns and squeezers,
> including rebuilt ones and also including return shipping.
>
> They have a pretty limited catalog, but they do have pretty much
> anything you need for riveting ;)
>
> I'll let you all know how the tool itself turns out, but at this point I
> would highly recommend doing business with them if you are in the market
> for tools.
>
> Their website is http://clearairtools.com
>
> James
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
I can email you a pdf. It's 1.6MB. Send me a note to reply to.
Dave Saylor
Dave@AirCraftersLLC.com
831-722-9141
Tail kit delivered this week
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin 330
Anyone know where I could get an install manual for a Garmin GTX330
transponder?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of brian bollaert
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Relax Tim ,
Just do some work on the plane and you will feel better !
Brian B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Man that idiot in the 152 made a lot of enemies. This sort of thing in
> the link that Tim (the other Tim) gave, is truly the thing that makes
> this small, idiotic mistake, into a far-reaching, big, huge frigging
> mistake that will drastically affect us all. http://www.aero-news.net
> Oh, and Daley is the worlds largest idiot, by the way.
>
> Wayne, you can give up the thread of how big a threat the C152 is
> loaded with explosives....if you want to use that argument, then I
> think we owe it to the world to voluntarily give up our planes, and
> clear the skies. We owe it to the world to not allow trucks into
> cities or pouplation centers where there are more than 200 people
> per city block. We owe it to the world to close down international
> shipping, or at least produce offshore ship inspection centers that
> they must stop at, outside our US territorial waters for a complete
> inspection before continuing. We should close down mass transit.
> We should close all US stadiums and sporting events. For heaven's
> sake, what kind of self-respecting true american PATRIOT would allow
> their own CHILDREN to attend a pro-football game....that sh1t is
> DANGEROUS....letting them go into a stadium. Hell, even if there
> isn't a bomb, there's a crowd of drunk people who could trample
> them.
>
> The way I see it is, sure, EVERYTHING is a threat. But, almost
> everything is something that a terrorist can still get away with.
> How much of a chance do you give ANY one person in this world
> if someone else really wants them dead. I'd bet on the shooter
> every time.
>
> That being the case, I think people need to be realistic and
> just plain understand that there are absolutely no guarantees
> in life....and no matter how hard they try in Washington, the
> only have about 1% of what it takes to protect you. The rest is
> up to you to watch you back. Truck, bus, plane, train, rocket,
> or even little red wagon....anything can haul a weapon.
>
> Do I think we're going to be attacked again some day? Damn right
> I do...we keep whacking at the hornets nest every day. Do I
> really care to give up any freedoms to protect myself from that
> threat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! We have no idea exactly what the
> threat IS, so we give up too much in life to try to fix all the
> holes.
>
> Did anyone else but me think that story made a ridiculous amount
> of headline news for what it really was? Did they count how
> many box vans, and trucks made it within 3 miles of the whitehouse?
> Did they count how many people wearing long overcoats, with suspicously
> large lumps under them, came within 1 mile of the whitehouse?
> Funny thing, that stinkin' grenade that was within 100' of the pres
> himself didn't make 10% of the headlines that this one tiny cessna
> 152, piloted by a (probably) rusty-skilled pilot did. Hmmmm, one
> thing is a real, actual, explosive. One is basically a rubber-band
> powered airplane.
>
> Wow, did I really just write all that? Time sure flies....I hope
> I can still fly by the time my RV-10 is done. I've probably
> NEVER been so paranoid about the future as I was on Sept. 12-14
> when I realized that it was a real possibility that I'd maybe
> never be flying a small plane again. To me, if they take away
> our planes, we may as well haul out our shotguns and go on
> a march....because at that point, it went WAY too far.
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> > Check out the latest at www.aero-news.net . . .
> >
> > TDT
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:42 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
<weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> >
> > I had flown my last plane at almost 800 lbs over gross and that would
equate
> > to a bunch of explosives.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:03 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> >><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>What's the useful load of a C-152, compared to a SUV?
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
> >><weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> >>
> >>Unless it was loaded with explosives like the car bombs that are going
off
> >>in IRAQ that destroy whole buildings.
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:02 AM
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I don't know what's sadder - two guys who can't navigate, and didn't
> >>notice
> >>this huge city below them, or evacuating the Capital because a C-152 was
> >>on
> >>its way. What would a -152 to if it hit the Capital? Make a soot mark
> >>and
> >>slide down the side?
> >>
> >>TDT
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jesse Saint
> >>Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 8:26 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
> >>
> >>Well said!
> >>
> >>Jesse Saint
> >>I-TEC, Inc.
> >>jesse@itecusa.org
> >>www.itecusa.org
> >>W: 352-465-4545
> >>C: 352-427-0285
> >>F: 815-377-3694
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 PM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: plane flew into restricted airspace
> >>
> >>--> RV10-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
> >>
> >>Be very careful to assign blame to one's selves when the actual problem
> >>lies with over reaction from the security Nazi's.
> >>
> >>David
> >>
> >>
> >>son hoang wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
> >>>
> >>>C 152 w/ 2 men on board violated no fly zone
> >>>White House and Congress evacuated
> >>>red level alert
> >>>stock market dived because of the security scare
> >>>
> >>>this incident made me angry, frustrated and very sad
> >>>I just shook my head in disbelief
> >>>there was much over reaction to the real threat
> >>>but if we GA pilots keep doing this we will lose any freedom we have
to
> >>
> >>fly
> >>
> >>>who do we have to blame but ourselves ( or a few rotten ones among us)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:05 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Mufflers on Rv's
> >>>
> >>>
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| Subject: | good tool supplier... |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Any washers will do as long as they have the right diameter for the shaft of
the tool. What he said was that he made a list of the materials and sizes
of rivets that he ran into as he was building the plane. With the RV-6 he
said the list was fairly short... i.e. spar to skin or doubler to spar, or
whatever. For each of those he found what size rivet went there. He made a
board with a set of nails on it for each of the different materials. Once
he got a rivet driven properly with a set of washers, when he was done with
that section he put the washers on the nail that went with that material
rivet combination. After the first rivet for each case, he then had it ready
whenever he ran across that combination again. He also said that it would
be impossible to give a good list of what those are because we are building
a different plane, so the materials are different and that the washer
tolerances are terrible so that any washers you might buy won't match up
with what he had. He used a micrometer to ensure that the rivets were set
properly. Basically you want to try to set it in increments so that you
don't overdrive.
While this doesn't make for an easy list or answer, it is a very good idea,
and shouldn't take too long to work out.
For the adjustable sets, he said that they are coming out with one that is
the reverse of what the other manufactures are doing. The other guys make
the set so that the female threads are on the die side and it leaves a very
thin walled set, which can be problematic in the tandem squeezers. The new
set they will be coming out with has the female threads on the tool side and
allows the sidewalls to be thicker. He said they will be out in July
sometime. He also said that once you get the above setup worked out with
the washers, you probably wont care about an adjustable set, but they are
going to sell them anyway because everybody asks for them ;)
HTH,
James
#40400
About 2 hours from finishing the VS - tomorrow ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Tami
Britton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: good tool supplier...
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
James, I recently purchased a pneumatic squeezer without an adjustable set
holder. Could you send the recommendations on how many washers to use as
spacers for the different size rivets??? Also, I don't have any of the
washers but does anybody know their specs (can they be found locally at a
hardware store or are they aviation specific)???
TIA
Bill Britton
RV-10 Emp #40137
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Subject: RV10-List: good tool supplier...
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just got off the phone with clear air tools. I bought one of their
> rebuilt tandem squeezers off of ebay and called them to finish up the
> payment. I asked the gentleman who answered the phone if he was
> familiar with the particular model I bought and his response was "yes,
> I'm the one who rebuilt it". He then spent the next 10 minutes on the
> phone with me answering questions I had and (he's an RV-6 offender)
> explaining some of the techniques he used to set up a table for how many
> / what size washers to use since it doesn't have an adjustable set holder.
>
> They apparently manufacture their yokes and rebuild their own squeezers
> as well. They have a one year warranty on rivet guns and squeezers,
> including rebuilt ones and also including return shipping.
>
> They have a pretty limited catalog, but they do have pretty much
> anything you need for riveting ;)
>
> I'll let you all know how the tool itself turns out, but at this point I
> would highly recommend doing business with them if you are in the market
> for tools.
>
> Their website is http://clearairtools.com
>
> James
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: good tool supplier... |
05/13/2005 01:52:41 AM,
Serialize complete at 05/13/2005 01:52:41 AM
fyi Cleaveland tools sells an adjustable set holder that you should be
able to use on your squeezer.
http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=SNSHA45
Deems Davis
emp 40406
"Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
Sent by: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
05/12/2005 08:37 PM
Please respond to
rv10-list@matronics.com
To
<rv10-list@matronics.com>
cc
Subject
Re: RV10-List: good tool supplier...
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton"
<william@gbta.net>
James, I recently purchased a pneumatic squeezer without an adjustable set
holder. Could you send the recommendations on how many washers to use as
spacers for the different size rivets??? Also, I don't have any of the
washers but does anybody know their specs (can they be found locally at a
hardware store or are they aviation specific)???
TIA
Bill Britton
RV-10 Emp #40137
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Subject: RV10-List: good tool supplier...
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just got off the phone with clear air tools. I bought one of their
> rebuilt tandem squeezers off of ebay and called them to finish up the
> payment. I asked the gentleman who answered the phone if he was
> familiar with the particular model I bought and his response was "yes,
> I'm the one who rebuilt it". He then spent the next 10 minutes on the
> phone with me answering questions I had and (he's an RV-6 offender)
> explaining some of the techniques he used to set up a table for how many
> / what size washers to use since it doesn't have an adjustable set
holder.
>
> They apparently manufacture their yokes and rebuild their own squeezers
> as well. They have a one year warranty on rivet guns and squeezers,
> including rebuilt ones and also including return shipping.
>
> They have a pretty limited catalog, but they do have pretty much
> anything you need for riveting ;)
>
> I'll let you all know how the tool itself turns out, but at this point I
> would highly recommend doing business with them if you are in the market
> for tools.
>
> Their website is http://clearairtools.com
>
> James
>
>
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