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1. 01:46 AM - Re: rattle can primer (Rob Kermanj)
2. 02:45 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (Chris , Susie McGough)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (matronix.rv10@4sythe.com)
4. 06:27 AM - One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks ()
5. 06:53 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
6. 06:58 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (matronix.rv10@4sythe.com)
7. 07:07 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
8. 07:42 AM - Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV (John W. Cox)
9. 07:55 AM - Re: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
10. 08:19 AM - Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks (Tim Olson)
11. 08:23 AM - Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks (Tim Olson)
12. 08:40 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (John W. Cox)
13. 08:44 AM - Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks (Randy DeBauw)
14. 08:46 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (John W. Cox)
15. 09:23 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (JOHN STARN)
16. 10:01 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
17. 10:10 AM - Re: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats (John Jessen)
18. 10:22 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
19. 10:32 AM - Re: Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV (Jesse Saint)
20. 10:42 AM - Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks (Jesse Saint)
21. 10:47 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (William Curtis)
22. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
23. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (LarryRosen@comcast.net)
24. 12:30 PM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (Brian Denk)
25. 12:33 PM - Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (William Curtis)
26. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Sean Stephens)
27. 12:52 PM - Dimple Question (matronix.rv10@4sythe.com)
28. 01:17 PM - Re: Dimple Question (Rene Felker)
29. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
30. 01:32 PM - Re: Dimple Question (Bobby J. Hughes)
31. 01:36 PM - Re: Dimple Question (William Curtis)
32. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Greg Young)
33. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Sean Stephens)
34. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Scott Schmidt)
35. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Greg Young)
36. 05:41 PM - Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Sean Stephens)
37. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Dan Checkoway)
38. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Sean Stephens)
39. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (McGANN, Ron)
40. 07:35 PM - Re: Michigan builders? (N213RV@aol.com)
41. 07:45 PM - First flight profile (Richard Sipp)
42. 08:07 PM - Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Tim Olson)
43. 08:08 PM - Re: Dimple Question (jerry petersen)
44. 08:17 PM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Brian Kraut)
45. 08:24 PM - Re: Dimple Question (Brian Kraut)
46. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Stein Bruch)
47. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Droopy Erickson)
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| Subject: | Re: rattle can primer |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
A product is available form NAPA and Discount Auto Parts and it is
called Dupi Color. It is a green self etching primer that has been
recommended to me by other RV builders. I would use this primer in
areas that you plan to paint such as interior panels.
NAPA (by the way, stands for National Aircraft Parts Association) sells
them for $7 and Discount Auto sells them for $5.
Do not archive.
On May 13, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> I've heard there are some decent rattle
> can Self Etching Primers. Anyone know of
> a good source where I can do some research, and
> possible product sources in the Raleigh, NC area?
> I'd like to at least evaluate the possibility,
> primer-wars aside...
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dj
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
I was in awe until he did the beat up???? you must be joking.....
Chris
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| Subject: | FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks.
I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this.
Anyone have any details on what John Nys did?
I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
(Wings to arrive next week...yipee)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ?
Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps
more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long
distance flying and could use extra fuel..
-Jim 40384
Mark Ritter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the
> air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass
> (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some
> closer than others.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >
> >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who
> haven't
> >seen this....
> >
> >James
> >#40400
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
> >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10.
> >
> > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups
> >------- insert --------
> >From: Kevin Osborn <kosborn_2000@yahoo.com>
> >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm
> >Subject: History kosborn_2000
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for
> >the RV world.
> >
> >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10
> >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK.
> >
> >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew
> >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He
> >would be the first.
> >
> >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to
> >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it
>
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| Subject: | One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I did a little searching and found this:
http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm
Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an
electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used
though.
Kent
40338
Elevators
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| Subject: | FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I think I'd need a lavatory holding tank, then, too . . .
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks.
I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this.
Anyone have any details on what John Nys did?
I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
(Wings to arrive next week...yipee)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ?
Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps
more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long
distance flying and could use extra fuel..
-Jim 40384
Mark Ritter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the
> air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass
> (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some
> closer than others.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >
> >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who
> haven't
> >seen this....
> >
> >James
> >#40400
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
> >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10.
> >
> > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups
> >------- insert --------
> >From: Kevin Osborn <kosborn_2000@yahoo.com>
> >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm
> >Subject: History kosborn_2000
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for
> >the RV world.
> >
> >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10
> >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK.
> >
> >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew
> >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He
> >would be the first.
> >
> >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to
> >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it
>
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| Subject: | FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick..
:-)
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I think I'd need a lavatory holding tank, then, too . . .
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks.
I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this.
Anyone have any details on what John Nys did?
I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
(Wings to arrive next week...yipee)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ?
Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps
more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long
distance flying and could use extra fuel..
-Jim 40384
Mark Ritter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the
> air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass
> (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some
> closer than others.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >
> >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who
> haven't
> >seen this....
> >
> >James
> >#40400
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
> >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10.
> >
> > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups
> >------- insert --------
> >From: Kevin Osborn <kosborn_2000@yahoo.com>
> >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm
> >Subject: History kosborn_2000
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for
> >the RV world.
> >
> >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10
> >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK.
> >
> >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew
> >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He
> >would be the first.
> >
> >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to
> >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it
>
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| Subject: | FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
We have a simple lavatory with small holding tank in our quasi-military 707. Then
there was the time on the ramp when one of the radar technicians used it,
not knowing the holding tank had been removed for cleaning. The crew chief was
"pissed" - no pun intended!
TDT
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick..
:-)
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I think I'd need a lavatory holding tank, then, too . . .
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks.
I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this.
Anyone have any details on what John Nys did?
I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
(Wings to arrive next week...yipee)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ?
Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps
more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long
distance flying and could use extra fuel..
-Jim 40384
Mark Ritter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the
> air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass
> (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some
> closer than others.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >
> >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who
> haven't
> >seen this....
> >
> >James
> >#40400
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
> >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10.
> >
> > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups
> >------- insert --------
> >From: Kevin Osborn <kosborn_2000@yahoo.com>
> >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm
> >Subject: History kosborn_2000
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for
> >the RV world.
> >
> >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10
> >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK.
> >
> >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew
> >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He
> >would be the first.
> >
> >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to
> >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it
>
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| Subject: | Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Congratulations are indeed in order for the accomplishments of John Nys
and his N3146S taking to the sky on Saturday, May 14th, 2005. Spring
Fever is certainly in the air.
Curiosity also abounds on his preliminary W&B numbers and design
features of those 120 gallon capacity fuel tanks. Wonder if he was able
to stay with the unmodified Vans spars.
On a final note, the radar screen shows nine N numbers pre-registered to
other builders 'bucking' in the wings in short succession. If any are
inadvertently missed, please surface so we can all share in the final
excitement.
Ed McGinty with #004
Randy DeBauw with #006
Doug Peterson with #009
Jay Brinkmeyer with #011
George Chaudoin with #040
Alexander Marshall with #110
John Stewart with #108
Rob Kermanj with #163 and of course
Vic Syracuse with #229
2005, the year of the RV-10
John Cox - KUAO
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| Subject: | Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats |
Congratulations John. I am very glad your first flight went well. We should see
several first flights coming up in the next few months. This is a very fun
time.
Well we almost made the first flight. Taking the extra step of painting before
my first flight was apparently to much of a handy cap. I am having the condition
inspection today with the first flight scheduled for Wednesday depending
on weather. We fired up N610RV and taxied around some to seat the brakes. Then
we went into full throttle runups to set the static prop pitch. That was an
exciting time. I will be posting some photos from Sat. on Tim site soon. I
want to take several photos of the complete plane in detail before I start to
assemble it for the first flight. That way everyone can see what passed inspection
and what did not. Helping to make every RV10 as safe as possible with be
in everyone's interest. Randy
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
That is the coolest thing I have seen in awhile. I can not even imagine what
it would be like when it comes my time. I am so glad to see that the take
off and the landing were uneventful and both pilot and plane are safe. Sure
Tim, I would almost give an arm and a leg to hear what his words were after
he landed. And Randy, we are eagerly waiting for yours. Please be very
careful.
Mani Ravee, MD
Indianapolis, KUMP
#40339. N528AR
-----Original Message-----
[ mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just saw the video of John Nyes flying the first flight in a
Customer built RV-10. The video is at:
http://www.vansairforce.com/video/RV10_JohnNyes.wmv
It's very cool that he got his flight in, complete with a High Speed
pass....you gotta love those. I can't wait to hear his review
some day as to how it all flew and felt. John deserves a lot
of credit for being able to get his plane flying in such a short
timespan. I don't know his builder number, but it must be a very
low one.
I gotta feel for Randy and Doug P. I know they were both scrambling
to be the first, but, John made the flight and he deserves the
congrats from us all. Randy, if it makes you feel any better, you
will still be the first RV-10 flying "finished", as you'll probably
be the first one flying your RV-10 complete with it's full interior,
and painted airframe. ;)
What a nice benefit of the day and age we live in that we can also
view the video of the first flight, the same day or day after
it happens. As more of you finish your planes, feel free to send
me your videos and I'll get them posted for others to see.
Congrats John, many happy flights to you! My turn's a while away yet.
Tim
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Current project: Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Tough to say exactly what type of tanks they could be...but you
notice he filled them from way out by the tips. Pretty
cool having 120 gallons available. Personally, I'd love to
see 90, but even 60 will more than take care of my kids
comfort range.
One other very cool thing about his flight and video...
Did anyone else stopwatch his takeoff time and notice the incredible
climb rate?? I think it was under 10 seconds from throttle to
air. Fantastic! The landing was also very nice and short with
what seemed to be a really short rollout. The guy must have
spent some time in the RV-10, or at least similar flying planes
or RV's, 'cuz he did a good job with flying this one.
I do have a question for the group though...
This flight was 20 minutes long. I'm not sure which way to
think on this. Do you make that first flight with the fresh
engine a flight that is good for the engine....like a 1-2
hour break-in, while keeping the speed up so it cools well?
Or, do you do what he did and do a short flight and then
come back and make sure everything is fine and nothings
leaking...even though that might not be best for the engine.
At first I wondered if he may have had problems, but I'm
betting he was just wanting to verify there were no oil leaks.
I'm mixed about what to do myself. When I do the first
flight, I plan to have people on the ground to record it,
and I also plan to have a chase plane fly along...both to
get pictures, and to watch for anything out of the ordinary.
I had thought that maybe my first flight would be a good
1+ hours long....feeling it out before trying to land it,
and giving some break-in time.
Any comments as to what the real suggested method is?
I've not read much on this yet. At least we'll have some
good experience to learn from, with a good handful
of planes about to be completed. This is going to be
a very cool OSH year!
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
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matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
>
> I did a little searching and found this:
> http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm
>
> Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an
> electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used
> though.
>
> Kent
> 40338
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>
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| Subject: | Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oh, I missed the line in my last post...I'm wondering if being
120 gallons, the tanks aren't basically just another set of
fuel tanks, identical to the first set, that are added on
just outboard of the originals. This would seem to be the
easiest way to add 60 extra gallons. Then the only
modification would be to add the extra small wing leading
edge section to fill in the remaining wing.
I can't imaging those tubular SafeAir tanks in the lightening
holes would have anywhere near 30 gallons of capacity...and,
if you measure it out, our original fuel tanks are ALMOST
as long as the outboard leading edge is...just enough room
there to put a small space, with fuel line and connectors
to join the tanks, and then put another tank on, and maybe
another small leading edge section. That would be my
bet.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
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matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
>
> I did a little searching and found this:
> http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm
>
> Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an
> electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used
> though.
>
> Kent
> 40338
> Elevators
>
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| Subject: | FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Kent, the moving orifice might prove a tough target in light turbulence
;) I'll bet you meant near the stick and with a stationary mount.
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick..
:-)
Kent Forsythe
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| Subject: | One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Tim, The company that rebuilt my engine recommends only flying it for 30 min or
so and then bring it down, uncowl it and inspect for leaks. Recowl it and continue
on using 2 over square as the breakin prceedure for approx. 3 hours total.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10
tanks
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Tough to say exactly what type of tanks they could be...but you
notice he filled them from way out by the tips. Pretty
cool having 120 gallons available. Personally, I'd love to
see 90, but even 60 will more than take care of my kids
comfort range.
One other very cool thing about his flight and video...
Did anyone else stopwatch his takeoff time and notice the incredible
climb rate?? I think it was under 10 seconds from throttle to
air. Fantastic! The landing was also very nice and short with
what seemed to be a really short rollout. The guy must have
spent some time in the RV-10, or at least similar flying planes
or RV's, 'cuz he did a good job with flying this one.
I do have a question for the group though...
This flight was 20 minutes long. I'm not sure which way to
think on this. Do you make that first flight with the fresh
engine a flight that is good for the engine....like a 1-2
hour break-in, while keeping the speed up so it cools well?
Or, do you do what he did and do a short flight and then
come back and make sure everything is fine and nothings
leaking...even though that might not be best for the engine.
At first I wondered if he may have had problems, but I'm
betting he was just wanting to verify there were no oil leaks.
I'm mixed about what to do myself. When I do the first
flight, I plan to have people on the ground to record it,
and I also plan to have a chase plane fly along...both to
get pictures, and to watch for anything out of the ordinary.
I had thought that maybe my first flight would be a good
1+ hours long....feeling it out before trying to land it,
and giving some break-in time.
Any comments as to what the real suggested method is?
I've not read much on this yet. At least we'll have some
good experience to learn from, with a good handful
of planes about to be completed. This is going to be
a very cool OSH year!
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
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matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
>
> I did a little searching and found this:
> http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm
>
> Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an
> electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used
> though.
>
> Kent
> 40338
> Elevators
>
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| Subject: | FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Kent, the moving orifice might prove a tough target in light turbulence
;) I'll bet you meant near the stick, not on it.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick..
:-)
Kent Forsythe
40338
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I think I'd need a lavatory holding tank, then, too . . .
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks.
I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this.
Anyone have any details on what John Nys did?
I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot.
Kent Forsythe
40338
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(Wings to arrive next week...yipee)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ?
Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps
more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long
distance flying and could use extra fuel..
-Jim 40384
Mark Ritter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the
> air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass
> (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some
> closer than others.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
> >
> >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who
> haven't
> >seen this....
> >
> >James
> >#40400
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
> >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10.
> >
> > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups
> >------- insert --------
> >From: Kevin Osborn <kosborn_2000@yahoo.com>
> >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm
> >Subject: History kosborn_2000
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for
> >the RV world.
> >
> >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10
> >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK.
> >
> >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew
> >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He
> >would be the first.
> >
> >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to
> >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Me thinks that we take the "RV" label to seriously sometimes. 8*)
KABONG Do Not Archive
> --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
>
> I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick..
> :-)
>
>
> Kent Forsythe
> 40338
> Elevators
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
John,
(I'll apologize to the group in advance)
You just have to watch out for the 10's that you see continually
climbing, diving, climbing, diving. Talk about the RV Grin... :-)
Kent
40338
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Kent, the moving orifice might prove a tough target in light turbulence
;) I'll bet you meant near the stick and with a stationary mount.
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick..
:-)
Kent Forsythe
40338
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| Subject: | Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I was walking around a C-172 doing preflight when those static tests were
being done. Pretty impressive, and totally blew away my preflight. Had to
start over.
Congratulations, John. Those low passes on the video were very impressive.
It certainly shows a measure of confidence you have in the plane to do that
one your first flight. I only hope mine is built as well.
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats
Congratulations John. I am very glad your first flight went well. We
should see several first flights coming up in the next few months. This is
a very fun time.
Well we almost made the first flight. Taking the extra step of painting
before my first flight was apparently to much of a handy cap. I am having
the condition inspection today with the first flight scheduled for Wednesday
depending on weather. We fired up N610RV and taxied around some to seat the
brakes. Then we went into full throttle runups to set the static prop
pitch. That was an exciting time. I will be posting some photos from Sat.
on Tim site soon. I want to take several photos of the complete plane in
detail before I start to assemble it for the first flight. That way
everyone can see what passed inspection and what did not. Helping to make
every RV10 as safe as possible with be in everyone's interest. Randy
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
That is the coolest thing I have seen in awhile. I can not even imagine what
it would be like when it comes my time. I am so glad to see that the take
off and the landing were uneventful and both pilot and plane are safe. Sure
Tim, I would almost give an arm and a leg to hear what his words were after
he landed. And Randy, we are eagerly waiting for yours. Please be very
careful.
Mani Ravee, MD
Indianapolis, KUMP
#40339. N528AR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[ mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just saw the video of John Nyes flying the first flight in a Customer
built RV-10. The video is at:
http://www.vansairforce.com/video/RV10_JohnNyes.wmv
It's very cool that he got his flight in, complete with a High Speed
pass....you gotta love those. I can't wait to hear his review some day as
to how it all flew and felt. John deserves a lot of credit for being able
to get his plane flying in such a short timespan. I don't know his builder
number, but it must be a very low one.
I gotta feel for Randy and Doug P. I know they were both scrambling
to be the first, but, John made the flight and he deserves the congrats from
us all. Randy, if it makes you feel any better, you will still be the first
RV-10 flying "finished", as you'll probably be the first one flying your
RV-10 complete with it's full interior, and painted airframe. ;)
What a nice benefit of the day and age we live in that we can also view the
video of the first flight, the same day or day after it happens. As more of
you finish your planes, feel free to send me your videos and I'll get them
posted for others to see.
Congrats John, many happy flights to you! My turn's a while away yet.
Tim
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| Subject: | FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Hey, this is a family list here! Funny though . . . ; )
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
John,
(I'll apologize to the group in advance)
You just have to watch out for the 10's that you see continually
climbing, diving, climbing, diving. Talk about the RV Grin... :-)
Kent
40338
Elevators
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Kent, the moving orifice might prove a tough target in light turbulence
;) I'll bet you meant near the stick and with a stationary mount.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys!
--> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick..
:-)
Kent Forsythe
40338
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| Subject: | Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Stephen Saint with #241
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RV10-List: Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Congratulations are indeed in order for the accomplishments of John Nys
and his N3146S taking to the sky on Saturday, May 14th, 2005. Spring
Fever is certainly in the air.
Curiosity also abounds on his preliminary W&B numbers and design
features of those 120 gallon capacity fuel tanks. Wonder if he was able
to stay with the unmodified Vans spars.
On a final note, the radar screen shows nine N numbers pre-registered to
other builders 'bucking' in the wings in short succession. If any are
inadvertently missed, please surface so we can all share in the final
excitement.
Ed McGinty with #004
Randy DeBauw with #006
Doug Peterson with #009
Jay Brinkmeyer with #011
George Chaudoin with #040
Alexander Marshall with #110
John Stewart with #108
Rob Kermanj with #163 and of course
Vic Syracuse with #229
2005, the year of the RV-10
John Cox - KUAO
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| Subject: | One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I saw pictures of a guy who built a single tank the entire leading edge of
his -9. One filler cap, no extra pump or wiring, one tank to seal (although
bigger). That would be my bet. This guy had to bend his own leading edge
for the tank skin, but having it in one piece would be stronger than hanging
two separate tanks on the spar. I didn't work much on the wings, so how the
screw holes to mount a tank like this interfere with the rivet holes in the
spar?
We are probably going to put a tank in the luggage compartment or in the
back seat (removeable of course) to hold 11-15 gallons. SafeAir has tanks
for $2,300 (set of 2) that hold a total of 15 gallons. I think I would
rather spend a couple of hundred on a tank for a Luscombe or something that
will fit right into the baggage floor and run a pipe from there.
I can't wait to hear details on how he actually did the 120 gallons. He's
going to have to be pretty careful on W&B when he fills the tanks, but it
would be nice to be able to make it from OK to anywhere else in the
continental US on one tank. Yes, a pilot's range extender would be a must
(or a box of "depends").
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oh, I missed the line in my last post...I'm wondering if being
120 gallons, the tanks aren't basically just another set of
fuel tanks, identical to the first set, that are added on
just outboard of the originals. This would seem to be the
easiest way to add 60 extra gallons. Then the only
modification would be to add the extra small wing leading
edge section to fill in the remaining wing.
I can't imaging those tubular SafeAir tanks in the lightening
holes would have anywhere near 30 gallons of capacity...and,
if you measure it out, our original fuel tanks are ALMOST
as long as the outboard leading edge is...just enough room
there to put a small space, with fuel line and connectors
to join the tanks, and then put another tank on, and maybe
another small leading edge section. That would be my
bet.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
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matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
>
> I did a little searching and found this:
> http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm
>
> Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an
> electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used
> though.
>
> Kent
> 40338
> Elevators
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce:
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/ruddercable.php>
$10 for 3!
William Curtis
#40237 - wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
Those fairings are in the Avery Tools web site, it's just not the best web site
to find stuff on . . .
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William Curtis
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing
Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce:
$10 for 3!
William Curtis
#40237 - wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
Are the ones from Aircraft Spurce metal or plastic?
Larry
-------------- Original message --------------
Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce:
$10 for 3!
William Curtis
#40237 - wings
Are the ones from Aircraft Spurce metal or plastic?
Larry
-------------- Original message --------------
Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce:
<HTTP: ruddercable.php topages catalog www.aircraftspruce.com>
$10 for 3!
William Curtis
#40237 - wings
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| Subject: | FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>--> >John,
>
>(I'll apologize to the group in advance)
>
>You just have to watch out for the 10's that you see continually
>climbing, diving, climbing, diving. Talk about the RV Grin... :-)
>
Runaway trim?
I don't get it. ;)
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are labled Avery
and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10, while Avery gives you 2 for
$10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I purchase and post when I get a
chance.
> Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce:
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/ruddercable.php>
>
> $10 for 3!
>
William Curtis
#40237 - wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with three? 2,
4, or 6, maybe, but three?
-Sean
DO NOT ARCHIVE
William Curtis wrote:
> To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are
> labled Avery and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10,
> while Avery gives you 2 for $10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I
> purchase and post when I get a chance.
>
> > Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce:
> > <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/ruddercable.php>
> >
> > $10 for 3!
> >
> William Curtis
> #40237 - wings
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A little dimple help requested,
The elevators have an access plate where the trim cables come out. This
is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the elevator. I dimpled with a
1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the dimple, it seems to
stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated the dimple size needed
here. Does anyone remember what they used? Should I just keep going up
until I like the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
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If I remember right, I dimpled it for a number 6 or 8 screw?
Rene'
N423CF
40322
Started Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RV10-List: Dimple Question
A little dimple help requested,
The elevators have an access plate where the trim cables come out. This is
dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the elevator. I dimpled with a 1/8
die set but when I lay the flush screw in the dimple, it seems to stick up
some. I couldn't find where it stated the dimple size needed here. Does
anyone remember what they used? Should I just keep going up until I like
the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
Personally, I would screw one of the three up! ;)
Do not archive
Michael Sausen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with three? 2, 4, or 6,
maybe, but three?
-Sean
DO NOT ARCHIVE
William Curtis wrote:
> To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are
> labled Avery and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10,
> while Avery gives you 2 for $10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I
> purchase and post when I get a chance.
>
> > Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce:
> > <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/ruddercable.php>
> >
> > $10 for 3!
> >
> William Curtis
> #40237 - wings
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Kent,
Get a Avery Tool catalog. It has a list of what size dimple dies and
counter sink bits you need for each type of screw.
Bobby Hughes
40116
Fus
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dimple Question
If I remember right, I dimpled it for a number 6 or 8 screw?
Rene'
N423CF
40322
Started Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
matronix.rv10@4sythe.com
Subject: RV10-List: Dimple Question
A little dimple help requested,
The elevators have an access plate where the trim cables come out. This
is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the elevator. I dimpled with a
1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the dimple, it seems to
stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated the dimple size needed
here. Does anyone remember what they used? Should I just keep going up
until I like the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Kent Forsythe
40338
Elevators
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| Subject: | RE: Dimple Question |
I'm sure you will get many replies on this, but for the Trim Tab cover screw holes
you need to use a #6 screw dimple die. The 1/8" (#30) dimple die won't do.
>The elevators have an access plate where the trim cables come out.
>This is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the elevator. I
>dimpled with a 1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the
>dimple, it seems to stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated
>the dimple size needed here. Does anyone remember what they used?
>Should I just keep going up until I like the fit? Thoughts?
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Kent Forsythe
>
William
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
They were originally made for the 2 seaters which use 2 for the rudder
cables and 1 for the trim. Didn't you learn that in Van's History 101?
;-)
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with
> three? 2, 4, or 6, maybe, but three?
>
> -Sean
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
What's a 2-seater? :)
-Sean
do not archive
Greg Young wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
>They were originally made for the 2 seaters which use 2 for the rudder
>cables and 1 for the trim. Didn't you learn that in Van's History 101?
>;-)
>
>Regards,
>Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
>RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
>Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>>
>>The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with
>>three? 2, 4, or 6, maybe, but three?
>>
>>-Sean
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I used 4 of them.
Here is a picture of how I used them.
http://freedomflyers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with three? 2,
4, or 6, maybe, but three?
-Sean
DO NOT ARCHIVE
William Curtis wrote:
> To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are
> labled Avery and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10,
> while Avery gives you 2 for $10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I
> purchase and post when I get a chance.
>
> > Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce:
> > <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/ruddercable.php>
> >
> > $10 for 3!
> >
> William Curtis
> #40237 - wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
They're the sporty ones doing barrel rolls around you:) You should show
some respect... The 2 seaters built the infrastructure that allows you
to bask in your matched-hole, comic book manual, snap-together
nirvana8
0
Greg (suffering just a bit of PP-envy)
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> What's a 2-seater? :)
>
> -Sean
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Whatever...
Guess you can't say anything nowadays without someone getting their
feelings hurt. Or feeling as if they've been "disrespected". :(
-Sean
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> What's a 2-seater? :)
It's that blur doing barrel rolls around you...ooops.
Hey, on the rudder fairings, do yourself a favor and epoxy/flox them on
instead of riveting. Looks much smoother, no need to fill pop rivet holes,
etc. I didn't know diddly about West System or composites when I installed
my rudder cable fairings on my -7. Wish I had just waited.
In fact, next time I'll just make 'em out of fiberglass, come to think of
it. Maybe one of these days I'll make a mold off the ones on my -7 and will
sell lightweight fiberglass ones for less than even Spruce. Hm....any
takers?
)_( Dan
RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Already got that comment... :)
Thanks for the tip. I'm not up to speed on molding fiberglass yet, but
I did use your suggested method of doing the seams. It worked great.
Thanks for all the info your site provides.
Sean #400303 (Waiting for wing kit to arrive)
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>
>
>>What's a 2-seater? :)
>>
>>
>
>It's that blur doing barrel rolls around you...ooops.
>
>Hey, on the rudder fairings, do yourself a favor and epoxy/flox them on
>instead of riveting. Looks much smoother, no need to fill pop rivet holes,
>etc. I didn't know diddly about West System or composites when I installed
>my rudder cable fairings on my -7. Wish I had just waited.
>
>In fact, next time I'll just make 'em out of fiberglass, come to think of
>it. Maybe one of these days I'll make a mold off the ones on my -7 and will
>sell lightweight fiberglass ones for less than even Spruce. Hm....any
>takers?
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Hey Dan,
Do you plan on a -10 site? If so, I might just suspend building until you
get ahead and then follow your lead :-).
Ron
'187 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> What's a 2-seater? :)
It's that blur doing barrel rolls around you...ooops.
Hey, on the rudder fairings, do yourself a favor and epoxy/flox them on
instead of riveting. Looks much smoother, no need to fill pop rivet holes,
etc. I didn't know diddly about West System or composites when I installed
my rudder cable fairings on my -7. Wish I had just waited.
In fact, next time I'll just make 'em out of fiberglass, come to think of
it. Maybe one of these days I'll make a mold off the ones on my -7 and will
sell lightweight fiberglass ones for less than even Spruce. Hm....any
takers?
)_( Dan
RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan builders? |
Yep, just east of Jackson @ 26W. We are building two here at home....
Mike Kraus
N223RV - RV-4 Flying
N213RV - RV-10 - Working on wings......
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Tim Olson raises excellent questions regarding what to do on the first
flight. The question of needing to run a new engine at 75% or so and also
wanting to feel out a new airplane can definetly be in conflict.
I would think ground running should be minimized with only enough to verfy
engine systems are all OK and a short run to full power to verify that full
power can be reached.
High speed taxi and short lift-offs over the runway are difficult to do and
as Van recommends probably not a good thing.
On the first flight in my 4 the take-off was more of a challenge than the
landing. I was just not ready for the rate of acceleration even having
flown large high performance aircraft. In deference to the new engine and
the power to wieght ratios of Van's airplanes I would recommend applying
power slowly. On both the first flight of my own aircraft and another 4 we
made an initial climb at 110 KIAS or so to 4000 AGL, reduced power to
maintain 120-130 and circled the airport with gentle turns in both
directions. After 10-15 minutes gradual speed reductions were made down to
expected approach speed of around 60 KIAS to verify controlability and no
abnormal characteristics. This was followed by the landing. A qualified
chase airplane is a plus as long as he does present a distraction to the
test pilot.
Finally, a first flight test plan should be written, memorized, and followed
including emergency procedures. It may sound, silly but one of the best
techniques is to "chair fly" the flight profile and emergency procedures in
the airplane several times before the actual flight. Making engine noises
and simulated radio calls is optional. If something unusual happens on the
first flight you'll be glad you did the practice. It probably goes without
saying but on the first flight the only thing tested should be the airframe
and engine, leave investigation of any of the other systems like autopilots
and avionics testing until later flights. With all of the RVs flying today
it is easy to get some time in a right seat or better with a qualified
instructor.
Stepping off soap box. Congratulations to John N and good luck to all the
new test pilots.
Dick Sipp
RV10 40065
RV4 N250DS 660 hours
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| Subject: | Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today.
It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
Going thinner the further rearward I go.
That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have
to get it sealed up quickly?
One misc. question...
I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
I currently think will be there are:
Main battery cable (1)
Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
Stobe wires going up to wings
Tail light wire
Elt control wires
Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
Trim wiring???
Anything I'm not thinking of?
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Dimple Question |
--> RV10-List message posted by: jerry petersen <bldanrv9a@yahoo.com>
The dies I use I have labeled as #21's.
--- matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote:
> A little dimple help requested,
>
>
>
> The elevators have an access plate where the trim
> cables come out. This
> is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the
> elevator. I dimpled with a
> 1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the
> dimple, it seems to
> stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated the
> dimple size needed
> here. Does anyone remember what they used? Should
> I just keep going up
> until I like the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in
> advance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kent Forsythe
>
> 40338
>
> Elevators
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
I like to keep strobe power supply wires in their own run if possible. The
battery wire in its own run is also good. I may be going overkill here, but
might as well do three.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today.
It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
Going thinner the further rearward I go.
That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have
to get it sealed up quickly?
One misc. question...
I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
I currently think will be there are:
Main battery cable (1)
Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
Stobe wires going up to wings
Tail light wire
Elt control wires
Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
Trim wiring???
Anything I'm not thinking of?
Tim
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Buy a set of the dimple dies that are made for screws. Aircraft Spruce
sells a set with I believe number 6, 8, and 10 screw sizes. Give it a try
and you will really like the results a lot better.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jerry petersen
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimple Question
--> RV10-List message posted by: jerry petersen <bldanrv9a@yahoo.com>
The dies I use I have labeled as #21's.
--- matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote:
> A little dimple help requested,
>
>
> The elevators have an access plate where the trim
> cables come out. This
> is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the
> elevator. I dimpled with a
> 1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the
> dimple, it seems to
> stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated the
> dimple size needed
> here. Does anyone remember what they used? Should
> I just keep going up
> until I like the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in
> advance.
>
>
> Kent Forsythe
>
> 40338
>
> Elevators
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
It's because they automatically assume you'll screw one of them up, and from
a business standpoint, it's a way to get more of your money!
As an aside, before you spend the money take a look at a lot of the old
timers RV rudder cable fairings. With a pair of hand seamers, a few minutes
and a couple scraps of .020" or something like that, you'll find you can
whip them suckers out (after screwing up a coupls) in no time flat.
A quick hint, make a few out of paper/cardboard first, then go to the metal.
Even though the "store bought ones" work very well, they take all the fun
out of it.....it's kind of nice to say "I made those things".
After all, with these "new fangled" pre-punched kits, how much stuff do you
get to fabricate anyway!
Just my worthless 2 cents as usual!
Cheers,
Stein.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with three? 2,
4, or 6, maybe, but three?
-Sean
DO NOT ARCHIVE
William Curtis wrote:
> To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are
> labled Avery and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10,
> while Avery gives you 2 for $10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I
> purchase and post when I get a chance.
>
> > Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce:
> > <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/ruddercable.php>
> >
> > $10 for 3!
> >
> William Curtis
> #40237 - wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Droopy Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
Dan! Coming over to the 4-seat world! Can't wait to see this website...
As far as this fiberg.. Fibergl. Composit. I can't even say it, but this
talk has got to stop. Preaching anything but dimpling and riveting just
ain't allowed here... :)
John
#40208 Wings (and dreaming of a -8 to do rolls around my -10 with...)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> What's a 2-seater? :)
It's that blur doing barrel rolls around you...ooops.
Hey, on the rudder fairings, do yourself a favor and epoxy/flox them on
instead of riveting. Looks much smoother, no need to fill pop rivet
holes, etc. I didn't know diddly about West System or composites when I
installed my rudder cable fairings on my -7. Wish I had just waited.
In fact, next time I'll just make 'em out of fiberglass, come to think
of it. Maybe one of these days I'll make a mold off the ones on my -7
and will sell lightweight fiberglass ones for less than even Spruce.
Hm....any takers?
)_( Dan
RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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