---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/16/05: 47 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:46 AM - Re: rattle can primer (Rob Kermanj) 2. 02:45 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (Chris , Susie McGough) 3. 06:08 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (matronix.rv10@4sythe.com) 4. 06:27 AM - One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks () 5. 06:53 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) 6. 06:58 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (matronix.rv10@4sythe.com) 7. 07:07 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 8. 07:42 AM - Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV (John W. Cox) 9. 07:55 AM - Re: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) 10. 08:19 AM - Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks (Tim Olson) 11. 08:23 AM - Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks (Tim Olson) 12. 08:40 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (John W. Cox) 13. 08:44 AM - Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks (Randy DeBauw) 14. 08:46 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (John W. Cox) 15. 09:23 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (JOHN STARN) 16. 10:01 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) 17. 10:10 AM - Re: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats (John Jessen) 18. 10:22 AM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 19. 10:32 AM - Re: Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV (Jesse Saint) 20. 10:42 AM - Re: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks (Jesse Saint) 21. 10:47 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (William Curtis) 22. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 23. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (LarryRosen@comcast.net) 24. 12:30 PM - Re: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! (Brian Denk) 25. 12:33 PM - Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (William Curtis) 26. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Sean Stephens) 27. 12:52 PM - Dimple Question (matronix.rv10@4sythe.com) 28. 01:17 PM - Re: Dimple Question (Rene Felker) 29. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 30. 01:32 PM - Re: Dimple Question (Bobby J. Hughes) 31. 01:36 PM - Re: Dimple Question (William Curtis) 32. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Greg Young) 33. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Sean Stephens) 34. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Scott Schmidt) 35. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Greg Young) 36. 05:41 PM - Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Sean Stephens) 37. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Dan Checkoway) 38. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Sean Stephens) 39. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (McGANN, Ron) 40. 07:35 PM - Re: Michigan builders? (N213RV@aol.com) 41. 07:45 PM - First flight profile (Richard Sipp) 42. 08:07 PM - Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Tim Olson) 43. 08:08 PM - Re: Dimple Question (jerry petersen) 44. 08:17 PM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Brian Kraut) 45. 08:24 PM - Re: Dimple Question (Brian Kraut) 46. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Stein Bruch) 47. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Droopy Erickson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:01 AM PST US From: Rob Kermanj Subject: Re: RV10-List: rattle can primer --> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kermanj A product is available form NAPA and Discount Auto Parts and it is called Dupi Color. It is a green self etching primer that has been recommended to me by other RV builders. I would use this primer in areas that you plan to paint such as interior panels. NAPA (by the way, stands for National Aircraft Parts Association) sells them for $7 and Discount Auto sells them for $5. Do not archive. On May 13, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Dj Merrill wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill > > I've heard there are some decent rattle > can Self Etching Primers. Anyone know of > a good source where I can do some research, and > possible product sources in the Raleigh, NC area? > I'd like to at least evaluate the possibility, > primer-wars aside... > > Thanks, > > -Dj > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:32 AM PST US From: "Chris , Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! I was in awe until he did the beat up???? you must be joking..... Chris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! From: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks. I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this. Anyone have any details on what John Nys did? I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot. Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators (Wings to arrive next week...yipee) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ? Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long distance flying and could use extra fuel.. -Jim 40384 Mark Ritter wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" > > Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the > air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass > (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some > closer than others. > > Mark > > > >From: "James Ochs" > >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700 > > > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" > > > >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who > haven't > >seen this.... > > > >James > >#40400 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer > >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" > > > >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10. > > > > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups > >------- insert -------- > >From: Kevin Osborn > >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm > >Subject: History kosborn_2000 > > > > > >Hi all, > > > >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for > >the RV world. > > > >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10 > >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK. > > > >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew > >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He > >would be the first. > > > >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to > >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:00 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I did a little searching and found this: http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used though. Kent 40338 Elevators ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" I think I'd need a lavatory holding tank, then, too . . . TDT 40025 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks. I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this. Anyone have any details on what John Nys did? I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot. Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators (Wings to arrive next week...yipee) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ? Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long distance flying and could use extra fuel.. -Jim 40384 Mark Ritter wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" > > Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the > air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass > (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some > closer than others. > > Mark > > > >From: "James Ochs" > >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700 > > > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" > > > >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who > haven't > >seen this.... > > > >James > >#40400 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer > >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" > > > >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10. > > > > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups > >------- insert -------- > >From: Kevin Osborn > >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm > >Subject: History kosborn_2000 > > > > > >Hi all, > > > >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for > >the RV world. > > > >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10 > >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK. > > > >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew > >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He > >would be the first. > > > >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to > >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:24 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! From: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick.. :-) Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" I think I'd need a lavatory holding tank, then, too . . . TDT 40025 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks. I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this. Anyone have any details on what John Nys did? I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot. Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators (Wings to arrive next week...yipee) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ? Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long distance flying and could use extra fuel.. -Jim 40384 Mark Ritter wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" > > Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the > air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass > (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some > closer than others. > > Mark > > > >From: "James Ochs" > >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700 > > > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" > > > >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who > haven't > >seen this.... > > > >James > >#40400 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer > >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" > > > >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10. > > > > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups > >------- insert -------- > >From: Kevin Osborn > >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm > >Subject: History kosborn_2000 > > > > > >Hi all, > > > >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for > >the RV world. > > > >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10 > >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK. > > > >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew > >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He > >would be the first. > > > >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to > >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" We have a simple lavatory with small holding tank in our quasi-military 707. Then there was the time on the ramp when one of the radar technicians used it, not knowing the holding tank had been removed for cleaning. The crew chief was "pissed" - no pun intended! TDT DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick.. :-) Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" I think I'd need a lavatory holding tank, then, too . . . TDT 40025 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks. I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this. Anyone have any details on what John Nys did? I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot. Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators (Wings to arrive next week...yipee) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ? Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long distance flying and could use extra fuel.. -Jim 40384 Mark Ritter wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" > > Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the > air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass > (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some > closer than others. > > Mark > > > >From: "James Ochs" > >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700 > > > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" > > > >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who > haven't > >seen this.... > > > >James > >#40400 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer > >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" > > > >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10. > > > > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups > >------- insert -------- > >From: Kevin Osborn > >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm > >Subject: History kosborn_2000 > > > > > >Hi all, > > > >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for > >the RV world. > > > >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10 > >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK. > > > >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew > >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He > >would be the first. > > > >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to > >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:06 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV From: "John W. Cox" --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Congratulations are indeed in order for the accomplishments of John Nys and his N3146S taking to the sky on Saturday, May 14th, 2005. Spring Fever is certainly in the air. Curiosity also abounds on his preliminary W&B numbers and design features of those 120 gallon capacity fuel tanks. Wonder if he was able to stay with the unmodified Vans spars. On a final note, the radar screen shows nine N numbers pre-registered to other builders 'bucking' in the wings in short succession. If any are inadvertently missed, please surface so we can all share in the final excitement. Ed McGinty with #004 Randy DeBauw with #006 Doug Peterson with #009 Jay Brinkmeyer with #011 George Chaudoin with #040 Alexander Marshall with #110 John Stewart with #108 Rob Kermanj with #163 and of course Vic Syracuse with #229 2005, the year of the RV-10 John Cox - KUAO ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats Congratulations John. I am very glad your first flight went well. We should see several first flights coming up in the next few months. This is a very fun time. Well we almost made the first flight. Taking the extra step of painting before my first flight was apparently to much of a handy cap. I am having the condition inspection today with the first flight scheduled for Wednesday depending on weather. We fired up N610RV and taxied around some to seat the brakes. Then we went into full throttle runups to set the static prop pitch. That was an exciting time. I will be posting some photos from Sat. on Tim site soon. I want to take several photos of the complete plane in detail before I start to assemble it for the first flight. That way everyone can see what passed inspection and what did not. Helping to make every RV10 as safe as possible with be in everyone's interest. Randy --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" That is the coolest thing I have seen in awhile. I can not even imagine what it would be like when it comes my time. I am so glad to see that the take off and the landing were uneventful and both pilot and plane are safe. Sure Tim, I would almost give an arm and a leg to hear what his words were after he landed. And Randy, we are eagerly waiting for yours. Please be very careful. Mani Ravee, MD Indianapolis, KUMP #40339. N528AR -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I just saw the video of John Nyes flying the first flight in a Customer built RV-10. The video is at: http://www.vansairforce.com/video/RV10_JohnNyes.wmv It's very cool that he got his flight in, complete with a High Speed pass....you gotta love those. I can't wait to hear his review some day as to how it all flew and felt. John deserves a lot of credit for being able to get his plane flying in such a short timespan. I don't know his builder number, but it must be a very low one. I gotta feel for Randy and Doug P. I know they were both scrambling to be the first, but, John made the flight and he deserves the congrats from us all. Randy, if it makes you feel any better, you will still be the first RV-10 flying "finished", as you'll probably be the first one flying your RV-10 complete with it's full interior, and painted airframe. ;) What a nice benefit of the day and age we live in that we can also view the video of the first flight, the same day or day after it happens. As more of you finish your planes, feel free to send me your videos and I'll get them posted for others to see. Congrats John, many happy flights to you! My turn's a while away yet. Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:16 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Tough to say exactly what type of tanks they could be...but you notice he filled them from way out by the tips. Pretty cool having 120 gallons available. Personally, I'd love to see 90, but even 60 will more than take care of my kids comfort range. One other very cool thing about his flight and video... Did anyone else stopwatch his takeoff time and notice the incredible climb rate?? I think it was under 10 seconds from throttle to air. Fantastic! The landing was also very nice and short with what seemed to be a really short rollout. The guy must have spent some time in the RV-10, or at least similar flying planes or RV's, 'cuz he did a good job with flying this one. I do have a question for the group though... This flight was 20 minutes long. I'm not sure which way to think on this. Do you make that first flight with the fresh engine a flight that is good for the engine....like a 1-2 hour break-in, while keeping the speed up so it cools well? Or, do you do what he did and do a short flight and then come back and make sure everything is fine and nothings leaking...even though that might not be best for the engine. At first I wondered if he may have had problems, but I'm betting he was just wanting to verify there were no oil leaks. I'm mixed about what to do myself. When I do the first flight, I plan to have people on the ground to record it, and I also plan to have a chase plane fly along...both to get pictures, and to watch for anything out of the ordinary. I had thought that maybe my first flight would be a good 1+ hours long....feeling it out before trying to land it, and giving some break-in time. Any comments as to what the real suggested method is? I've not read much on this yet. At least we'll have some good experience to learn from, with a good handful of planes about to be completed. This is going to be a very cool OSH year! Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 DO NOT ARCHIVE matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com > > I did a little searching and found this: > http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm > > Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an > electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used > though. > > Kent > 40338 > Elevators > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:16 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Oh, I missed the line in my last post...I'm wondering if being 120 gallons, the tanks aren't basically just another set of fuel tanks, identical to the first set, that are added on just outboard of the originals. This would seem to be the easiest way to add 60 extra gallons. Then the only modification would be to add the extra small wing leading edge section to fill in the remaining wing. I can't imaging those tubular SafeAir tanks in the lightening holes would have anywhere near 30 gallons of capacity...and, if you measure it out, our original fuel tanks are ALMOST as long as the outboard leading edge is...just enough room there to put a small space, with fuel line and connectors to join the tanks, and then put another tank on, and maybe another small leading edge section. That would be my bet. Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 do not archive matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com > > I did a little searching and found this: > http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm > > Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an > electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used > though. > > Kent > 40338 > Elevators > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! From: "John W. Cox" --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Kent, the moving orifice might prove a tough target in light turbulence ;) I'll bet you meant near the stick and with a stationary mount. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick.. :-) Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:45 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks From: "Randy DeBauw" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" Tim, The company that rebuilt my engine recommends only flying it for 30 min or so and then bring it down, uncowl it and inspect for leaks. Recowl it and continue on using 2 over square as the breakin prceedure for approx. 3 hours total. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Tough to say exactly what type of tanks they could be...but you notice he filled them from way out by the tips. Pretty cool having 120 gallons available. Personally, I'd love to see 90, but even 60 will more than take care of my kids comfort range. One other very cool thing about his flight and video... Did anyone else stopwatch his takeoff time and notice the incredible climb rate?? I think it was under 10 seconds from throttle to air. Fantastic! The landing was also very nice and short with what seemed to be a really short rollout. The guy must have spent some time in the RV-10, or at least similar flying planes or RV's, 'cuz he did a good job with flying this one. I do have a question for the group though... This flight was 20 minutes long. I'm not sure which way to think on this. Do you make that first flight with the fresh engine a flight that is good for the engine....like a 1-2 hour break-in, while keeping the speed up so it cools well? Or, do you do what he did and do a short flight and then come back and make sure everything is fine and nothings leaking...even though that might not be best for the engine. At first I wondered if he may have had problems, but I'm betting he was just wanting to verify there were no oil leaks. I'm mixed about what to do myself. When I do the first flight, I plan to have people on the ground to record it, and I also plan to have a chase plane fly along...both to get pictures, and to watch for anything out of the ordinary. I had thought that maybe my first flight would be a good 1+ hours long....feeling it out before trying to land it, and giving some break-in time. Any comments as to what the real suggested method is? I've not read much on this yet. At least we'll have some good experience to learn from, with a good handful of planes about to be completed. This is going to be a very cool OSH year! Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 DO NOT ARCHIVE matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com > > I did a little searching and found this: > http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm > > Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an > electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used > though. > > Kent > 40338 > Elevators > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! From: "John W. Cox" --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Kent, the moving orifice might prove a tough target in light turbulence ;) I'll bet you meant near the stick, not on it. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick.. :-) Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" I think I'd need a lavatory holding tank, then, too . . . TDT 40025 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I also noticed the title on the video pointing out the long range tanks. I would be VERY interested in getting more details regarding this. Anyone have any details on what John Nys did? I'd love to be able to make my Cincinnati to Houston trips in one shot. Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators (Wings to arrive next week...yipee) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein Did anyone else notice the "Extended rangs tanks.. Total 120 Gallons" ? Is that a misprint, or is there really 120 gal. capacity? And perhaps more importantly, How did he do it? I plan on doing alot of long distance flying and could use extra fuel.. -Jim 40384 Mark Ritter wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" > > Congratulations John on being the first customer built RV-10 in the > air. Great video--really inspired me to go whack more fiberglass > (nasty stuff) on the cabin top. There are 400+ right behind you--some > closer than others. > > Mark > > > >From: "James Ochs" > >Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:56 -0700 > > > >--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" > > > >Looks like someone got a -10 in the air today for those of you who > haven't > >seen this.... > > > >James > >#40400 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer > >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:23 PM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" > > > >Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10. > > > > >From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups > >------- insert -------- > >From: Kevin Osborn > >Date: Sat May 14, 2005 6:37 pm > >Subject: History kosborn_2000 > > > > > >Hi all, > > > >I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for > >the RV world. > > > >Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10 > >flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK. > > > >The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew > >today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He > >would be the first. > > > >I got some great video. If someone has someplace to > >post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:38 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Me thinks that we take the "RV" label to seriously sometimes. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive > --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com > > I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick.. > :-) > > > Kent Forsythe > 40338 > Elevators > > Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com John, (I'll apologize to the group in advance) You just have to watch out for the 10's that you see continually climbing, diving, climbing, diving. Talk about the RV Grin... :-) Kent 40338 Elevators Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Kent, the moving orifice might prove a tough target in light turbulence ;) I'll bet you meant near the stick and with a stationary mount. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick.. :-) Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:31 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" I was walking around a C-172 doing preflight when those static tests were being done. Pretty impressive, and totally blew away my preflight. Had to start over. Congratulations, John. Those low passes on the video were very impressive. It certainly shows a measure of confidence you have in the plane to do that one your first flight. I only hope mine is built as well. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats Congratulations John. I am very glad your first flight went well. We should see several first flights coming up in the next few months. This is a very fun time. Well we almost made the first flight. Taking the extra step of painting before my first flight was apparently to much of a handy cap. I am having the condition inspection today with the first flight scheduled for Wednesday depending on weather. We fired up N610RV and taxied around some to seat the brakes. Then we went into full throttle runups to set the static prop pitch. That was an exciting time. I will be posting some photos from Sat. on Tim site soon. I want to take several photos of the complete plane in detail before I start to assemble it for the first flight. That way everyone can see what passed inspection and what did not. Helping to make every RV10 as safe as possible with be in everyone's interest. Randy --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" That is the coolest thing I have seen in awhile. I can not even imagine what it would be like when it comes my time. I am so glad to see that the take off and the landing were uneventful and both pilot and plane are safe. Sure Tim, I would almost give an arm and a leg to hear what his words were after he landed. And Randy, we are eagerly waiting for yours. Please be very careful. Mani Ravee, MD Indianapolis, KUMP #40339. N528AR -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Video of the first RV-10 Flying - Congrats --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I just saw the video of John Nyes flying the first flight in a Customer built RV-10. The video is at: http://www.vansairforce.com/video/RV10_JohnNyes.wmv It's very cool that he got his flight in, complete with a High Speed pass....you gotta love those. I can't wait to hear his review some day as to how it all flew and felt. John deserves a lot of credit for being able to get his plane flying in such a short timespan. I don't know his builder number, but it must be a very low one. I gotta feel for Randy and Doug P. I know they were both scrambling to be the first, but, John made the flight and he deserves the congrats from us all. Randy, if it makes you feel any better, you will still be the first RV-10 flying "finished", as you'll probably be the first one flying your RV-10 complete with it's full interior, and painted airframe. ;) What a nice benefit of the day and age we live in that we can also view the video of the first flight, the same day or day after it happens. As more of you finish your planes, feel free to send me your videos and I'll get them posted for others to see. Congrats John, many happy flights to you! My turn's a while away yet. Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage Do Not Archive ==================================== ==================================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Hey, this is a family list here! Funny though . . . ; ) TDT DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com John, (I'll apologize to the group in advance) You just have to watch out for the 10's that you see continually climbing, diving, climbing, diving. Talk about the RV Grin... :-) Kent 40338 Elevators Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Kent, the moving orifice might prove a tough target in light turbulence ;) I'll bet you meant near the stick and with a stationary mount. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com I'm building a urinal into the aft side of the pilots control stick.. :-) Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:50 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" Stephen Saint with #241 Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Subject: RV10-List: Congratulations to John Nys and the Year of the RV --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Congratulations are indeed in order for the accomplishments of John Nys and his N3146S taking to the sky on Saturday, May 14th, 2005. Spring Fever is certainly in the air. Curiosity also abounds on his preliminary W&B numbers and design features of those 120 gallon capacity fuel tanks. Wonder if he was able to stay with the unmodified Vans spars. On a final note, the radar screen shows nine N numbers pre-registered to other builders 'bucking' in the wings in short succession. If any are inadvertently missed, please surface so we can all share in the final excitement. Ed McGinty with #004 Randy DeBauw with #006 Doug Peterson with #009 Jay Brinkmeyer with #011 George Chaudoin with #040 Alexander Marshall with #110 John Stewart with #108 Rob Kermanj with #163 and of course Vic Syracuse with #229 2005, the year of the RV-10 John Cox - KUAO ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:23 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" I saw pictures of a guy who built a single tank the entire leading edge of his -9. One filler cap, no extra pump or wiring, one tank to seal (although bigger). That would be my bet. This guy had to bend his own leading edge for the tank skin, but having it in one piece would be stronger than hanging two separate tanks on the spar. I didn't work much on the wings, so how the screw holes to mount a tank like this interfere with the rivet holes in the spar? We are probably going to put a tank in the luggage compartment or in the back seat (removeable of course) to hold 11-15 gallons. SafeAir has tanks for $2,300 (set of 2) that hold a total of 15 gallons. I think I would rather spend a couple of hundred on a tank for a Luscombe or something that will fit right into the baggage floor and run a pipe from there. I can't wait to hear details on how he actually did the 120 gallons. He's going to have to be pretty careful on W&B when he fills the tanks, but it would be nice to be able to make it from OK to anywhere else in the continental US on one tank. Yes, a pilot's range extender would be a must (or a box of "depends"). Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: One option for 15 gallon extension to RV-10 tanks --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Oh, I missed the line in my last post...I'm wondering if being 120 gallons, the tanks aren't basically just another set of fuel tanks, identical to the first set, that are added on just outboard of the originals. This would seem to be the easiest way to add 60 extra gallons. Then the only modification would be to add the extra small wing leading edge section to fill in the remaining wing. I can't imaging those tubular SafeAir tanks in the lightening holes would have anywhere near 30 gallons of capacity...and, if you measure it out, our original fuel tanks are ALMOST as long as the outboard leading edge is...just enough room there to put a small space, with fuel line and connectors to join the tanks, and then put another tank on, and maybe another small leading edge section. That would be my bet. Tim Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 do not archive matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com > > I did a little searching and found this: > http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_top.htm > > Looks like extended tanks that go into the wing lightning holes and an > electric transfer pump. Doesn't sound like this is what John Nys used > though. > > Kent > 40338 > Elevators > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:05 AM PST US From: William Curtis Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce: $10 for 3! William Curtis #40237 - wings ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Those fairings are in the Avery Tools web site, it's just not the best web site to find stuff on . . . TDT DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William Curtis Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce: $10 for 3! William Curtis #40237 - wings ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:21 AM PST US From: LarryRosen@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing Are the ones from Aircraft Spurce metal or plastic? Larry -------------- Original message -------------- Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce: $10 for 3! William Curtis #40237 - wings Are the ones from Aircraft Spurce metal or plastic? Larry -------------- Original message -------------- Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce: $10 for 3! William Curtis #40237 - wings ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:25 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: RV-List: 1st customer RV-10 flys! --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >--> >John, > >(I'll apologize to the group in advance) > >You just have to watch out for the 10's that you see continually >climbing, diving, climbing, diving. Talk about the RV Grin... :-) > Runaway trim? I don't get it. ;) Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:57 PM PST US From: William Curtis Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are labled Avery and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10, while Avery gives you 2 for $10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I purchase and post when I get a chance. > Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce: > > > $10 for 3! > William Curtis #40237 - wings ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:35 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with three? 2, 4, or 6, maybe, but three? -Sean DO NOT ARCHIVE William Curtis wrote: > To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are > labled Avery and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10, > while Avery gives you 2 for $10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I > purchase and post when I get a chance. > > > Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce: > > > > > > $10 for 3! > > > William Curtis > #40237 - wings ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:35 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Dimple Question From: matronix.rv10@4sythe.com A little dimple help requested, The elevators have an access plate where the trim cables come out. This is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the elevator. I dimpled with a 1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the dimple, it seems to stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated the dimple size needed here. Does anyone remember what they used? Should I just keep going up until I like the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:28 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dimple Question If I remember right, I dimpled it for a number 6 or 8 screw? Rene' N423CF 40322 Started Wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RV10-List: Dimple Question A little dimple help requested, The elevators have an access plate where the trim cables come out. This is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the elevator. I dimpled with a 1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the dimple, it seems to stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated the dimple size needed here. Does anyone remember what they used? Should I just keep going up until I like the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:31 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Personally, I would screw one of the three up! ;) Do not archive Michael Sausen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with three? 2, 4, or 6, maybe, but three? -Sean DO NOT ARCHIVE William Curtis wrote: > To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are > labled Avery and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10, > while Avery gives you 2 for $10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I > purchase and post when I get a chance. > > > Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce: > > > > > > $10 for 3! > > > William Curtis > #40237 - wings ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:54 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dimple Question From: "Bobby J. Hughes" Kent, Get a Avery Tool catalog. It has a list of what size dimple dies and counter sink bits you need for each type of screw. Bobby Hughes 40116 Fus ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dimple Question If I remember right, I dimpled it for a number 6 or 8 screw? Rene' N423CF 40322 Started Wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of matronix.rv10@4sythe.com Subject: RV10-List: Dimple Question A little dimple help requested, The elevators have an access plate where the trim cables come out. This is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the elevator. I dimpled with a 1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the dimple, it seems to stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated the dimple size needed here. Does anyone remember what they used? Should I just keep going up until I like the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Kent Forsythe 40338 Elevators ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:28 PM PST US From: William Curtis Subject: RV10-List: RE: Dimple Question I'm sure you will get many replies on this, but for the Trim Tab cover screw holes you need to use a #6 screw dimple die. The 1/8" (#30) dimple die won't do. >The elevators have an access plate where the trim cables come out. >This is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the elevator. I >dimpled with a 1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the >dimple, it seems to stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated >the dimple size needed here. Does anyone remember what they used? >Should I just keep going up until I like the fit? Thoughts? > Thanks in advance. > > >Kent Forsythe > William ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing From: "Greg Young" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Greg Young" They were originally made for the 2 seaters which use 2 for the rudder cables and 1 for the trim. Didn't you learn that in Van's History 101? ;-) Regards, Greg Young - Houston (DWH) RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with > three? 2, 4, or 6, maybe, but three? > > -Sean > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:59 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens What's a 2-seater? :) -Sean do not archive Greg Young wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Greg Young" > >They were originally made for the 2 seaters which use 2 for the rudder >cables and 1 for the trim. Didn't you learn that in Van's History 101? >;-) > >Regards, >Greg Young - Houston (DWH) >RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix >Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A > > > >>--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens >> >>The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with >>three? 2, 4, or 6, maybe, but three? >> >>-Sean >> >>DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing From: "Scott Schmidt" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" I used 4 of them. Here is a picture of how I used them. http://freedomflyers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62 Scott Schmidt Cell: 801-319-3094 sschmidt@ussynthetic.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with three? 2, 4, or 6, maybe, but three? -Sean DO NOT ARCHIVE William Curtis wrote: > To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are > labled Avery and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10, > while Avery gives you 2 for $10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I > purchase and post when I get a chance. > > > Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce: > > > > > > $10 for 3! > > > William Curtis > #40237 - wings ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:36 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing From: "Greg Young" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Greg Young" They're the sporty ones doing barrel rolls around you:) You should show some respect... The 2 seaters built the infrastructure that allows you to bask in your matched-hole, comic book manual, snap-together nirvana8 0 Greg (suffering just a bit of PP-envy) > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > What's a 2-seater? :) > > -Sean > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:53 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Whatever... Guess you can't say anything nowadays without someone getting their feelings hurt. Or feeling as if they've been "disrespected". :( -Sean ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:34 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > What's a 2-seater? :) It's that blur doing barrel rolls around you...ooops. Hey, on the rudder fairings, do yourself a favor and epoxy/flox them on instead of riveting. Looks much smoother, no need to fill pop rivet holes, etc. I didn't know diddly about West System or composites when I installed my rudder cable fairings on my -7. Wish I had just waited. In fact, next time I'll just make 'em out of fiberglass, come to think of it. Maybe one of these days I'll make a mold off the ones on my -7 and will sell lightweight fiberglass ones for less than even Spruce. Hm....any takers? )_( Dan RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:01 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Already got that comment... :) Thanks for the tip. I'm not up to speed on molding fiberglass yet, but I did use your suggested method of doing the seams. It worked great. Thanks for all the info your site provides. Sean #400303 (Waiting for wing kit to arrive) Dan Checkoway wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > >>What's a 2-seater? :) >> >> > >It's that blur doing barrel rolls around you...ooops. > >Hey, on the rudder fairings, do yourself a favor and epoxy/flox them on >instead of riveting. Looks much smoother, no need to fill pop rivet holes, >etc. I didn't know diddly about West System or composites when I installed >my rudder cable fairings on my -7. Wish I had just waited. > >In fact, next time I'll just make 'em out of fiberglass, come to think of >it. Maybe one of these days I'll make a mold off the ones on my -7 and will >sell lightweight fiberglass ones for less than even Spruce. Hm....any >takers? > >)_( Dan >RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way >RV-7 N714D >http://www.rvproject.com > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:43 PM PST US From: "McGANN, Ron" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: "McGANN, Ron" Hey Dan, Do you plan on a -10 site? If so, I might just suspend building until you get ahead and then follow your lead :-). Ron '187 Wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > What's a 2-seater? :) It's that blur doing barrel rolls around you...ooops. Hey, on the rudder fairings, do yourself a favor and epoxy/flox them on instead of riveting. Looks much smoother, no need to fill pop rivet holes, etc. I didn't know diddly about West System or composites when I installed my rudder cable fairings on my -7. Wish I had just waited. In fact, next time I'll just make 'em out of fiberglass, come to think of it. Maybe one of these days I'll make a mold off the ones on my -7 and will sell lightweight fiberglass ones for less than even Spruce. Hm....any takers? )_( Dan RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:57 PM PST US From: N213RV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Michigan builders? Yep, just east of Jackson @ 26W. We are building two here at home.... Mike Kraus N223RV - RV-4 Flying N213RV - RV-10 - Working on wings...... ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:07 PM PST US s=test1; d=earthlink.net; b=t4L44qilAssoFlXKobJ0EYcHN3hy1/kbsJ2M+hQuowMDoSLiQ8Nl3Lyy4K/0jQe/; From: "Richard Sipp" Subject: RV10-List: First flight profile --> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" Tim Olson raises excellent questions regarding what to do on the first flight. The question of needing to run a new engine at 75% or so and also wanting to feel out a new airplane can definetly be in conflict. I would think ground running should be minimized with only enough to verfy engine systems are all OK and a short run to full power to verify that full power can be reached. High speed taxi and short lift-offs over the runway are difficult to do and as Van recommends probably not a good thing. On the first flight in my 4 the take-off was more of a challenge than the landing. I was just not ready for the rate of acceleration even having flown large high performance aircraft. In deference to the new engine and the power to wieght ratios of Van's airplanes I would recommend applying power slowly. On both the first flight of my own aircraft and another 4 we made an initial climb at 110 KIAS or so to 4000 AGL, reduced power to maintain 120-130 and circled the airport with gentle turns in both directions. After 10-15 minutes gradual speed reductions were made down to expected approach speed of around 60 KIAS to verify controlability and no abnormal characteristics. This was followed by the landing. A qualified chase airplane is a plus as long as he does present a distraction to the test pilot. Finally, a first flight test plan should be written, memorized, and followed including emergency procedures. It may sound, silly but one of the best techniques is to "chair fly" the flight profile and emergency procedures in the airplane several times before the actual flight. Making engine noises and simulated radio calls is optional. If something unusual happens on the first flight you'll be glad you did the practice. It probably goes without saying but on the first flight the only thing tested should be the airframe and engine, leave investigation of any of the other systems like autopilots and avionics testing until later flights. With all of the RVs flying today it is easy to get some time in a right seat or better with a qualified instructor. Stepping off soap box. Congratulations to John N and good luck to all the new test pilots. Dick Sipp RV10 40065 RV4 N250DS 660 hours ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:37 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today. It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8". Going thinner the further rearward I go. That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene, and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have to get it sealed up quickly? One misc. question... I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page: http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires I currently think will be there are: Main battery cable (1) Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone) Stobe wires going up to wings Tail light wire Elt control wires Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo Trim wiring??? Anything I'm not thinking of? Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:55 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AcXJAUmtwTTuDIgp2TOglTff/YjFa0qW9dCFoDCiZlfg890+hFu/coLbOotc5DN/m8W/WmgKlWUoBVvwgSeJoqkiYYnhHjfFaGjAcbhr+mzyhoiXGayrccnwF5dGWduOOHvgsvdJZMWIKoviLEWYZiadNZM4Ddm7hV+YcvUHLTo= ; From: jerry petersen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimple Question --> RV10-List message posted by: jerry petersen The dies I use I have labeled as #21's. --- matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > A little dimple help requested, > > > > The elevators have an access plate where the trim > cables come out. This > is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the > elevator. I dimpled with a > 1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the > dimple, it seems to > stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated the > dimple size needed > here. Does anyone remember what they used? Should > I just keep going up > until I like the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in > advance. > > > > > > Kent Forsythe > > 40338 > > Elevators > > > > > > __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:37 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" I like to keep strobe power supply wires in their own run if possible. The battery wire in its own run is also good. I may be going overkill here, but might as well do three. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today. It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8". Going thinner the further rearward I go. That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene, and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have to get it sealed up quickly? One misc. question... I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page: http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires I currently think will be there are: Main battery cable (1) Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone) Stobe wires going up to wings Tail light wire Elt control wires Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo Trim wiring??? Anything I'm not thinking of? Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:16 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dimple Question --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" Buy a set of the dimple dies that are made for screws. Aircraft Spruce sells a set with I believe number 6, 8, and 10 screw sizes. Give it a try and you will really like the results a lot better. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jerry petersen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dimple Question --> RV10-List message posted by: jerry petersen The dies I use I have labeled as #21's. --- matronix.rv10@4sythe.com wrote: > A little dimple help requested, > > > The elevators have an access plate where the trim > cables come out. This > is dimpled and screwed into nutplates in the > elevator. I dimpled with a > 1/8 die set but when I lay the flush screw in the > dimple, it seems to > stick up some. I couldn't find where it stated the > dimple size needed > here. Does anyone remember what they used? Should > I just keep going up > until I like the fit? Thoughts? Thanks in > advance. > > > Kent Forsythe > > 40338 > > Elevators > > __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:55 PM PST US d="scan'208"; a="930295345:sNHT19274232" From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" It's because they automatically assume you'll screw one of them up, and from a business standpoint, it's a way to get more of your money! As an aside, before you spend the money take a look at a lot of the old timers RV rudder cable fairings. With a pair of hand seamers, a few minutes and a couple scraps of .020" or something like that, you'll find you can whip them suckers out (after screwing up a coupls) in no time flat. A quick hint, make a few out of paper/cardboard first, then go to the metal. Even though the "store bought ones" work very well, they take all the fun out of it.....it's kind of nice to say "I made those things". After all, with these "new fangled" pre-punched kits, how much stuff do you get to fabricate anyway! Just my worthless 2 cents as usual! Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens The even more funny part is what the heck would you do with three? 2, 4, or 6, maybe, but three? -Sean DO NOT ARCHIVE William Curtis wrote: > To further clarify, these are all metal cable fairings. They are > labled Avery and ironically, Aircraft Spruce gives you 3 for $10, > while Avery gives you 2 for $10. I'll take some pictures of the ones I > purchase and post when I get a chance. > > > Rudder Cable Fairing are also available from Aircraft Spruce: > > > > > > $10 for 3! > > > William Curtis > #40237 - wings ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:36 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing From: "Droopy Erickson" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Droopy Erickson" Dan! Coming over to the 4-seat world! Can't wait to see this website... As far as this fiberg.. Fibergl. Composit. I can't even say it, but this talk has got to stop. Preaching anything but dimpling and riveting just ain't allowed here... :) John #40208 Wings (and dreaming of a -8 to do rolls around my -10 with...) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > What's a 2-seater? :) It's that blur doing barrel rolls around you...ooops. Hey, on the rudder fairings, do yourself a favor and epoxy/flox them on instead of riveting. Looks much smoother, no need to fill pop rivet holes, etc. I didn't know diddly about West System or composites when I installed my rudder cable fairings on my -7. Wish I had just waited. In fact, next time I'll just make 'em out of fiberglass, come to think of it. Maybe one of these days I'll make a mold off the ones on my -7 and will sell lightweight fiberglass ones for less than even Spruce. Hm....any takers? )_( Dan RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com