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1. 02:27 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Mani Ravee)
2. 07:20 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Dan Checkoway)
4. 08:24 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Dan Checkoway)
5. 09:37 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Scott Schmidt)
6. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Fairing (Tim Olson)
7. 09:51 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Tim Olson)
8. 10:09 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Sean Stephens)
9. 10:54 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
10. 11:12 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Tim Olson)
11. 11:40 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Dan Checkoway)
12. 12:02 PM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
13. 12:13 PM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Sean Stephens)
14. 12:13 PM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Tim Olson)
15. 12:48 PM - Randy's inspection (Randy DeBauw)
16. 01:30 PM - Re: Randy's inspection (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
17. 01:31 PM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (Scott Schmidt)
18. 02:23 PM - Re: Randy's inspection (Mark Chamberlain)
19. 02:54 PM - Re: Randy's inspection (Scott Schmidt)
20. 04:45 PM - Re: Randy's inspection (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
21. 04:50 PM - Re: Randy's inspection (Randy DeBauw)
22. 04:55 PM - Re: Randy's inspection (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
23. 05:53 PM - Re: Michigan builders? (jdalton77)
24. 07:48 PM - Re: First flight profile (Chris)
25. 10:03 PM - Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
Dan, wlcome to the _10 world. Before I started my project, you and your outstanding
website were a very valuable source of information and inspiration. Are you
going to add a chapter there about why a 10 now. :)
Anyway glad that you are in the camp.
Mani Ravee, MD
#40339, KUMP
(I was at Emery's too)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
> What's a 2-seater? :)
It's that blur doing barrel rolls around you...ooops.
Hey, on the rudder fairings, do yourself a favor and epoxy/flox them on
instead of riveting. Looks much smoother, no need to fill pop rivet holes,
etc. I didn't know diddly about West System or composites when I installed
my rudder cable fairings on my -7. Wish I had just waited.
In fact, next time I'll just make 'em out of fiberglass, come to think of
it. Maybe one of these days I'll make a mold off the ones on my -7 and will
sell lightweight fiberglass ones for less than even Spruce. Hm....any
takers?
)_( Dan
RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your
rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the
seats? And power leads for them.
Dan
40269
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today.
It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
Going thinner the further rearward I go.
That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have
to get it sealed up quickly?
One misc. question...
I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
I currently think will be there are:
Main battery cable (1)
Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
Stobe wires going up to wings
Tail light wire
Elt control wires
Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
Trim wiring???
Anything I'm not thinking of?
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Do you plan on a -10 site? If so, I might just suspend building until you
> get ahead and then follow your lead :-).
I'm not planning on putting my builder's log online this time. It takes far
too much time away from building. Looks like there are already several
decent RV-10 builder sites out there.
I'm building an RV-10 emp/tail kit which once completed will be up for sale.
If anybody is interested, contact me off-list (dan@rvproject.com).
After that's done I will eventually build an RV-10 start to finish and put
that up for sale. I'm not interested in flying the -10, but I do enjoy
building.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Those adhesive tie wrap mounts will eventually lose their "stick" and will
come off...I also noticed you didn't rough up the alclad where you stuck 'em
on. Hey, I did the same thing. A few hundred hours later, some had fallen
off. My 2 cents -- just use a gob of RTV or epoxy every so many inches to
hold your conduit in place and keep it from chafing against aluminum.
If something is allowed to flex at all, it will either eventually start
rubbing something or it will break.
For wiring, keep in mind stuff like remote external compass units, remote
sensors of various types for EFISs. Autopilot elevator servo wiring,
elevator trim servo wiring, etc.
Multiple paths for wiring is usually a good thing.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today.
> It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
> far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
> Going thinner the further rearward I go.
>
> That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
> in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
> and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have
> to get it sealed up quickly?
>
> One misc. question...
>
> I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
> do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
>
> Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
> be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
> I currently think will be there are:
>
> Main battery cable (1)
> Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
> Stobe wires going up to wings
> Tail light wire
> Elt control wires
> Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
> Trim wiring???
>
>
> Anything I'm not thinking of?
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
My soundproofing didn't stink.
I'm sure it will go away over time. This is now how I rank the worst
smells of the project so far.
1. LaPuente Mexican Food (OK, it doesn't really count)
2. The glue that holds the windows in. WOW, this stuff is horrible.
3. Pro-Seal
4. The smell of burning fiberglass (cutting the top)
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today.
It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
Going thinner the further rearward I go.
That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have
to get it sealed up quickly?
One misc. question...
I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
I currently think will be there are:
Main battery cable (1)
Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
Stobe wires going up to wings
Tail light wire
Elt control wires
Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
Trim wiring???
Anything I'm not thinking of?
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Fairing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
"not interested in flying the -10" !!!! That's blasphemy in these
here parts. ;) <just kidding, of course>
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Dan Checkoway wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>>Do you plan on a -10 site? If so, I might just suspend building until you
>>get ahead and then follow your lead :-).
>
>
> I'm not planning on putting my builder's log online this time. It takes far
> too much time away from building. Looks like there are already several
> decent RV-10 builder sites out there.
>
> I'm building an RV-10 emp/tail kit which once completed will be up for sale.
> If anybody is interested, contact me off-list (dan@rvproject.com).
>
> After that's done I will eventually build an RV-10 start to finish and put
> that up for sale. I'm not interested in flying the -10, but I do enjoy
> building.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-10 emp/tail kit on the way
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
See now that's the kind of help I needed! :) Thanks Dan,
I would have forgotten about static lines. I'll have to
look closely at the headset jack plan...maybe that bar behind the
rear seats wouldn't be a bad place, or many other various locations.
I defnitely plan to have some sort of video screens on the front
seatbacks, but I think it'll be driven by a portable unit...probably
not a portable DVD player, but a hard drive based system. I currently
carry a tablet PC and plug it into the car stereo. Works well,
but I'd like more of a "monitor" type screen.
Also good suggestions from Dan C. in the other post.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your
> rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the
> seats? And power leads for them.
> Dan
> 40269
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:04 PM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today.
> It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
> far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
> Going thinner the further rearward I go.
>
> That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
> in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
> and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have
> to get it sealed up quickly?
>
> One misc. question...
>
> I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
> do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
>
> Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
> be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
> I currently think will be there are:
>
> Main battery cable (1)
> Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
> Stobe wires going up to wings
> Tail light wire
> Elt control wires
> Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
> Trim wiring???
>
>
> Anything I'm not thinking of?
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
If you're going with the Aerocraft panel, is a good place for the rear
mic jacks on the back face of the center console?
-Sean #40303
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> See now that's the kind of help I needed! :) Thanks Dan,
> I would have forgotten about static lines. I'll have to
> look closely at the headset jack plan...maybe that bar behind the
> rear seats wouldn't be a bad place, or many other various locations.
> I defnitely plan to have some sort of video screens on the front
> seatbacks, but I think it'll be driven by a portable unit...probably
> not a portable DVD player, but a hard drive based system. I currently
> carry a tablet PC and plug it into the car stereo. Works well,
> but I'd like more of a "monitor" type screen.
>
> Also good suggestions from Dan C. in the other post.
>
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>
>> Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your
>> rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the
>> seats? And power leads for them. Dan
>> 40269
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:04 PM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today.
>> It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
>> far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
>> Going thinner the further rearward I go.
>>
>> That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
>> in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
>> and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have
>> to get it sealed up quickly?
>>
>> One misc. question...
>>
>> I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
>> do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
>>
>> Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
>> be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
>> I currently think will be there are:
>>
>> Main battery cable (1)
>> Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
>> Stobe wires going up to wings
>> Tail light wire
>> Elt control wires
>> Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
>> Trim wiring???
>>
>>
>> Anything I'm not thinking of?
>>
>> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
I think they also can put a power Jack there, so that would be good for
a portable DVD/?? Also can someone verify for me that a GMA 340 intercom
has passenger isolate? IE the two in back can be isolated from the two
in front? If they can not, can anyone recommend an intercom/audio panel
that will?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
If you're going with the Aerocraft panel, is a good place for the rear
mic jacks on the back face of the center console?
-Sean #40303
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> See now that's the kind of help I needed! :) Thanks Dan,
> I would have forgotten about static lines. I'll have to
> look closely at the headset jack plan...maybe that bar behind the
> rear seats wouldn't be a bad place, or many other various locations.
> I defnitely plan to have some sort of video screens on the front
> seatbacks, but I think it'll be driven by a portable unit...probably
> not a portable DVD player, but a hard drive based system. I currently
> carry a tablet PC and plug it into the car stereo. Works well,
> but I'd like more of a "monitor" type screen.
>
> Also good suggestions from Dan C. in the other post.
>
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>
>> Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your
>> rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the
>> seats? And power leads for them. Dan
>> 40269
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:04 PM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff
today.
>> It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
>> far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
>> Going thinner the further rearward I go.
>>
>> That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
>> in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
>> and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I
have
>> to get it sealed up quickly?
>>
>> One misc. question...
>>
>> I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
>> do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
>>
>> Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
>> be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
>> I currently think will be there are:
>>
>> Main battery cable (1)
>> Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
>> Stobe wires going up to wings
>> Tail light wire
>> Elt control wires
>> Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
>> Trim wiring???
>>
>>
>> Anything I'm not thinking of?
>>
>> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That would be a great place, but it's getting a little busy back there.
I'm adding a lighter socket, and music input jack. Then, since I'll
have a 6 place intercom, I'm adding one headset jack to that panel.
I'll have a total of 5 wired headset jacks. The 3rd in the rear will
be used for video camera use. I'll also wire a microphone jack next
to it, so it will be an optional place for a passenger to plug in.
Then, in addition I have ANR headsets and everywhere that I put a
headset jack will require 3 holes...one for the power plug. So
I figured I't put it this way:
Left Side: 3 holes for headset
Middle: 3 holes for headset, Lighter socket, music input
Right Side: 3 holes for headset
That's a little much to put all on that center console.
I'll look at it closer as I get more finished on the fuselage.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> If you're going with the Aerocraft panel, is a good place for the rear
> mic jacks on the back face of the center console?
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> See now that's the kind of help I needed! :) Thanks Dan,
>> I would have forgotten about static lines. I'll have to
>> look closely at the headset jack plan...maybe that bar behind the
>> rear seats wouldn't be a bad place, or many other various locations.
>> I defnitely plan to have some sort of video screens on the front
>> seatbacks, but I think it'll be driven by a portable unit...probably
>> not a portable DVD player, but a hard drive based system. I currently
>> carry a tablet PC and plug it into the car stereo. Works well,
>> but I'd like more of a "monitor" type screen.
>>
>> Also good suggestions from Dan C. in the other post.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>>
>>> Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your
>>> rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the
>>> seats? And power leads for them. Dan
>>> 40269
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:04 PM
>>> To: RV10
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today.
>>> It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
>>> far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
>>> Going thinner the further rearward I go.
>>>
>>> That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
>>> in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
>>> and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have
>>> to get it sealed up quickly?
>>>
>>> One misc. question...
>>>
>>> I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
>>> do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
>>> http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
>>>
>>> Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
>>> be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
>>> I currently think will be there are:
>>>
>>> Main battery cable (1)
>>> Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
>>> Stobe wires going up to wings
>>> Tail light wire
>>> Elt control wires
>>> Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
>>> Trim wiring???
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything I'm not thinking of?
>>>
>>> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> I think they also can put a power Jack there, so that would be good for
> a portable DVD/?? Also can someone verify for me that a GMA 340 intercom
> has passenger isolate? IE the two in back can be isolated from the two
> in front? If they can not, can anyone recommend an intercom/audio panel
> that will?
Yep. It has two isolate modes...PILOT & CREW. It also has two separate
music/entertainment inputs. One for all occupants (minus isolate), and one
for just passengers.
At the risk of being a broken record about this -- if you use a GMA-340, be
sure to connect the jumper which enables the optional 20dB boost of the
music input (see the install manual). Makes all the difference in the
world.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
PS Engineering 7000
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
I think they also can put a power Jack there, so that would be good for
a portable DVD/?? Also can someone verify for me that a GMA 340 intercom
has passenger isolate? IE the two in back can be isolated from the two
in front? If they can not, can anyone recommend an intercom/audio panel
that will?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
If you're going with the Aerocraft panel, is a good place for the rear
mic jacks on the back face of the center console?
-Sean #40303
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> See now that's the kind of help I needed! :) Thanks Dan,
> I would have forgotten about static lines. I'll have to
> look closely at the headset jack plan...maybe that bar behind the
> rear seats wouldn't be a bad place, or many other various locations.
> I defnitely plan to have some sort of video screens on the front
> seatbacks, but I think it'll be driven by a portable unit...probably
> not a portable DVD player, but a hard drive based system. I currently
> carry a tablet PC and plug it into the car stereo. Works well,
> but I'd like more of a "monitor" type screen.
>
> Also good suggestions from Dan C. in the other post.
>
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>
>> Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your
>> rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the
>> seats? And power leads for them. Dan
>> 40269
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:04 PM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff
today.
>> It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
>> far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
>> Going thinner the further rearward I go.
>>
>> That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
>> in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
>> and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I
have
>> to get it sealed up quickly?
>>
>> One misc. question...
>>
>> I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
>> do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
>>
>> Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
>> be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
>> I currently think will be there are:
>>
>> Main battery cable (1)
>> Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
>> Stobe wires going up to wings
>> Tail light wire
>> Elt control wires
>> Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
>> Trim wiring???
>>
>>
>> Anything I'm not thinking of?
>>
>> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
It's gonna be good having Dan around more often. I can tell already. :)
-Sean #40303
do not archive
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>
>
>>I think they also can put a power Jack there, so that would be good for
>>a portable DVD/?? Also can someone verify for me that a GMA 340 intercom
>>has passenger isolate? IE the two in back can be isolated from the two
>>in front? If they can not, can anyone recommend an intercom/audio panel
>>that will?
>>
>>
>
>Yep. It has two isolate modes...PILOT & CREW. It also has two separate
>music/entertainment inputs. One for all occupants (minus isolate), and one
>for just passengers.
>
>At the risk of being a broken record about this -- if you use a GMA-340, be
>sure to connect the jumper which enables the optional 20dB boost of the
>music input (see the install manual). Makes all the difference in the
>world.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I can't verify the GMA340 right now, but you really want
"pilot isolate" and "Crew isolate". That gives you single-pilot
isolation with all other seats talking, and front seat isolate
with rear seats still talking. My current bird has these features
and with kids, I consider it a priceless feature.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> I think they also can put a power Jack there, so that would be good for
> a portable DVD/?? Also can someone verify for me that a GMA 340 intercom
> has passenger isolate? IE the two in back can be isolated from the two
> in front? If they can not, can anyone recommend an intercom/audio panel
> that will?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:06 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> If you're going with the Aerocraft panel, is a good place for the rear
> mic jacks on the back face of the center console?
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>>See now that's the kind of help I needed! :) Thanks Dan,
>>I would have forgotten about static lines. I'll have to
>>look closely at the headset jack plan...maybe that bar behind the
>>rear seats wouldn't be a bad place, or many other various locations.
>>I defnitely plan to have some sort of video screens on the front
>>seatbacks, but I think it'll be driven by a portable unit...probably
>>not a portable DVD player, but a hard drive based system. I currently
>>carry a tablet PC and plug it into the car stereo. Works well,
>>but I'd like more of a "monitor" type screen.
>>
>>Also good suggestions from Dan C. in the other post.
>>
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>>><LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>>
>>>Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your
>>>rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the
>>>seats? And power leads for them. Dan
>>>40269
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:04 PM
>>>To: RV10
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>>Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff
>
> today.
>
>>>It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
>>>far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
>>>Going thinner the further rearward I go.
>>>
>>>That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
>>>in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
>>>and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I
>
> have
>
>>>to get it sealed up quickly?
>>>
>>>One misc. question...
>>>
>>>I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
>>>do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
>>>http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
>>>
>>>Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
>>>be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
>>>I currently think will be there are:
>>>
>>>Main battery cable (1)
>>>Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
>>>Stobe wires going up to wings
>>>Tail light wire
>>>Elt control wires
>>>Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
>>>Trim wiring???
>>>
>>>
>>>Anything I'm not thinking of?
>>>
>>>Tim
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| Subject: | Randy's inspection |
Well everything was good except 4 items. All were fixed last night and have rescheduled
the inspector to look at the completed items tomorrow. Because of bad
weather it looks good for Friday for first flight. I will use the time to finish
some details that didn't need to be done right away. I am planning on taking
photos of the few items that were needing attention. Randy
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| Subject: | Randy's inspection |
Can you list them for us?
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: Randy's inspection
Well everything was good except 4 items. All were fixed last night and
have rescheduled the inspector to look at the completed items tomorrow.
Because of bad weather it looks good for Friday for first flight. I will
use the time to finish some details that didn't need to be done right
away. I am planning on taking photos of the few items that were needing
attention. Randy
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| Subject: | Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I would recommend looking at the PS Engineering. Everyone I have talked
with highly recommends it mainly for auto-squelching feature. It
apparently works perfect.
I am planning on using the 8000 model.
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I can't verify the GMA340 right now, but you really want
"pilot isolate" and "Crew isolate". That gives you single-pilot
isolation with all other seats talking, and front seat isolate
with rear seats still talking. My current bird has these features
and with kids, I consider it a priceless feature.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> I think they also can put a power Jack there, so that would be good
for
> a portable DVD/?? Also can someone verify for me that a GMA 340
intercom
> has passenger isolate? IE the two in back can be isolated from the two
> in front? If they can not, can anyone recommend an intercom/audio
panel
> that will?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean
Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:06 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> If you're going with the Aerocraft panel, is a good place for the rear
> mic jacks on the back face of the center console?
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>>See now that's the kind of help I needed! :) Thanks Dan,
>>I would have forgotten about static lines. I'll have to
>>look closely at the headset jack plan...maybe that bar behind the
>>rear seats wouldn't be a bad place, or many other various locations.
>>I defnitely plan to have some sort of video screens on the front
>>seatbacks, but I think it'll be driven by a portable unit...probably
>>not a portable DVD player, but a hard drive based system. I currently
>>carry a tablet PC and plug it into the car stereo. Works well,
>>but I'd like more of a "monitor" type screen.
>>
>>Also good suggestions from Dan C. in the other post.
>>
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>>><LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>>
>>>Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your
>>>rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the
>>>seats? And power leads for them. Dan
>>>40269
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:04 PM
>>>To: RV10
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>>Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff
>
> today.
>
>>>It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
>>>far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
>>>Going thinner the further rearward I go.
>>>
>>>That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
>>>in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
>>>and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I
>
> have
>
>>>to get it sealed up quickly?
>>>
>>>One misc. question...
>>>
>>>I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
>>>do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
>>>http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
>>>
>>>Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
>>>be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
>>>I currently think will be there are:
>>>
>>>Main battery cable (1)
>>>Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
>>>Stobe wires going up to wings
>>>Tail light wire
>>>Elt control wires
>>>Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
>>>Trim wiring???
>>>
>>>
>>>Anything I'm not thinking of?
>>>
>>>Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Randy's inspection |
Good luck Randy. Be safe! I think the fly-by's have just about been covered!! Mark.(40016)
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| Subject: | Randy's inspection |
But we haven't seen an inverted fly-by with a ribbon cut yet Randy!
(Do not archive)
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Chamberlain
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Randy's inspection
Good luck Randy. Be safe! I think the fly-by's have just about been
covered!! Mark.(40016)
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| Subject: | Randy's inspection |
You bet. I know about most of them but was not able to get parts to fix them on
Sat or Sun.
First was no boots on the master contactor and positive battery post.
Second, no boot on the LH mag P lead. Rh not a problem because it is facing down
and nothing could sit on it and ground it out.
Third, some of you my have received the wrong width spacer for the wheel pants
mounting bracket. They were .100 to thick. I was going to change them when I
installed the wheel pants but one bolt ended up too short. We were able to get
to the one bolt head to hold it and change out to the thinner spacer with out
removing the wheels.
Forth, I was brain dead. No nut plates on the emp. to attach the fairing. I drilled
them last week and forgot to nut plate them this weekend. We were checking
the whole plane and just forgot.
All fixed with most of the interior installed. The complete interior will be in
tonight except the bulkhead (inspector needs to see the new boots on the battery
and master contactor). Randy
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Randy's inspection
Can you list them for us?
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: Randy's inspection
Well everything was good except 4 items. All were fixed last night and have rescheduled
the inspector to look at the completed items tomorrow. Because of bad
weather it looks good for Friday for first flight. I will use the time to finish
some details that didn't need to be done right away. I am planning on taking
photos of the few items that were needing attention. Randy
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| Subject: | Randy's inspection |
Thanks Mark. We have an air show at the Hillsboro airport every year. Last year
we had several fly-by's approved by the FAA. I will do mine then in front of
30,000 people. MUCH MORE EXPOSURE!!.. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Chamberlain
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Randy's inspection
Good luck Randy. Be safe! I think the fly-by's have just about been covered!! Mark.(40016)
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| Subject: | Randy's inspection |
And I hope you won't. That would mean something went wrong and I went through
some construction caution tape. Randy
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Randy's inspection
But we haven't seen an inverted fly-by with a ribbon cut yet Randy!
(Do not archive)
Scott Schmidt
Cell: 801-319-3094
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Chamberlain
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Randy's inspection
Good luck Randy. Be safe! I think the fly-by's have just about been covered!! Mark.(40016)
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| Subject: | Michigan builders? |
Mike,
I'm in Waterford (KPTK) and would love to see your project sometime. I
fly into Jackson to that nice diner on the field sometimes...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N213RV@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Michigan builders?
Yep, just east of Jackson @ 26W. We are building two here at home....
Mike Kraus
N223RV - RV-4 Flying
N213RV - RV-10 - Working on wings......
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| Subject: | Re: First flight profile |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris" <toaster73@earthlink.net>
Has any engine maker offered an engine "pre-broke-in"? Or if you opt for an
engine with some time you don't have to worry about break-in on the first
flights etc.
-Chris L
#40072
wings wings wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV10-List: First flight profile
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Tim Olson raises excellent questions regarding what to do on the first
> flight. The question of needing to run a new engine at 75% or so and
> also wanting to feel out a new airplane can definetly be in conflict.
>
> I would think ground running should be minimized with only enough to verfy
> engine systems are all OK and a short run to full power to verify that
> full power can be reached.
>
> High speed taxi and short lift-offs over the runway are difficult to do
> and as Van recommends probably not a good thing.
>
> On the first flight in my 4 the take-off was more of a challenge than the
> landing. I was just not ready for the rate of acceleration even having
> flown large high performance aircraft. In deference to the new engine and
> the power to wieght ratios of Van's airplanes I would recommend applying
> power slowly. On both the first flight of my own aircraft and another 4
> we made an initial climb at 110 KIAS or so to 4000 AGL, reduced power to
> maintain 120-130 and circled the airport with gentle turns in both
> directions. After 10-15 minutes gradual speed reductions were made down
> to expected approach speed of around 60 KIAS to verify controlability and
> no abnormal characteristics. This was followed by the landing. A
> qualified chase airplane is a plus as long as he does present a
> distraction to the test pilot.
>
> Finally, a first flight test plan should be written, memorized, and
> followed including emergency procedures. It may sound, silly but one of
> the best techniques is to "chair fly" the flight profile and emergency
> procedures in the airplane several times before the actual flight. Making
> engine noises and simulated radio calls is optional. If something unusual
> happens on the first flight you'll be glad you did the practice. It
> probably goes without saying but on the first flight the only thing tested
> should be the airframe and engine, leave investigation of any of the other
> systems like autopilots and avionics testing until later flights. With
> all of the RVs flying today it is easy to get some time in a right seat or
> better with a qualified instructor.
>
> Stepping off soap box. Congratulations to John N and good luck to all
> the new test pilots.
>
> Dick Sipp
> RV10 40065
> RV4 N250DS 660 hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage...
Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor panels...
some got them, some didn't.
Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge things
under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side.
K1000-3.
Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2.
I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing
4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that
people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these
nutplates.
Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to
verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things
out at the last minute.
Tim
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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