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1. 06:51 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
2. 07:38 AM - My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw)
3. 08:28 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (brian bollaert)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
5. 08:59 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (RobHickman@aol.com)
6. 08:59 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
7. 09:12 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw)
8. 09:13 AM - Found some good Conduit for running to tailcone (Tim Olson)
9. 09:14 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
10. 09:18 AM - Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Tim Olson)
11. 09:23 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (brian bollaert)
12. 09:25 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (Randy DeBauw)
13. 09:48 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (RobHickman@aol.com)
14. 09:48 AM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
15. 09:51 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr))
16. 09:55 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
17. 09:57 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw)
18. 10:41 AM - Re: Strontium Chromate (Dave & Brenda Emond)
19. 10:57 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (JOHN STARN)
20. 11:01 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
21. 11:04 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto)
22. 11:05 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (John Jessen)
23. 11:05 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Tim Olson)
24. 11:05 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw)
25. 11:38 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (John Jessen)
26. 11:40 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
27. 11:46 AM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Mark Ritter)
28. 11:47 AM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Dave & Brenda Emond)
29. 11:53 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (JOHN STARN)
30. 11:59 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (JOHN STARN)
31. 12:01 PM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (brian bollaert)
32. 01:00 PM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (linn walters)
33. 01:02 PM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
34. 03:08 PM - RV-10 Wiring kit from Van's (Strickland, L Jearl)
35. 03:59 PM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw)
36. 04:01 PM - Check list updated (Randy DeBauw)
37. 04:21 PM - Re: Check list updated (John Jessen)
38. 04:53 PM - flap specs (Robert St.Denis)
39. 06:43 PM - Re: Check list updated (Mark Grieve)
40. 07:08 PM - Defroster, construction sequence (Sheldon Olesen)
41. 07:33 PM - Almost done question (Jim Combs)
42. 07:37 PM - Re: Check list updated (Chris)
43. 08:39 PM - FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System? (DejaVu)
44. 08:50 PM - Re: rattle can primer (Dj Merrill)
45. 08:54 PM - Re: Check list updated (Mani Ravee)
46. 10:17 PM - Re: Check list updated (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Jessen)
47. 10:21 PM - Re: FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System? (Randy DeBauw)
48. 10:24 PM - Re: Check list updated (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mani Ravee)
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| Subject: | Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@mail.sprint.com>
Yes, it does have passenger isolate. It also has two music inputs.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
I think they also can put a power Jack there, so that would be good for
a portable DVD/?? Also can someone verify for me that a GMA 340 intercom
has passenger isolate? IE the two in back can be isolated from the two
in front? If they can not, can anyone recommend an intercom/audio panel
that will?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
If you're going with the Aerocraft panel, is a good place for the rear
mic jacks on the back face of the center console?
-Sean #40303
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> See now that's the kind of help I needed! :) Thanks Dan,
> I would have forgotten about static lines. I'll have to
> look closely at the headset jack plan...maybe that bar behind the
> rear seats wouldn't be a bad place, or many other various locations.
> I defnitely plan to have some sort of video screens on the front
> seatbacks, but I think it'll be driven by a portable unit...probably
> not a portable DVD player, but a hard drive based system. I currently
> carry a tablet PC and plug it into the car stereo. Works well,
> but I'd like more of a "monitor" type screen.
>
> Also good suggestions from Dan C. in the other post.
>
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>
>> Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your
>> rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the
>> seats? And power leads for them. Dan
>> 40269
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:04 PM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff
today.
>> It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So
>> far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8".
>> Going thinner the further rearward I go.
>>
>> That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out
>> in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene,
>> and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I
have
>> to get it sealed up quickly?
>>
>> One misc. question...
>>
>> I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I
>> do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page:
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html
>>
>> Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't
>> be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires
>> I currently think will be there are:
>>
>> Main battery cable (1)
>> Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone)
>> Stobe wires going up to wings
>> Tail light wire
>> Elt control wires
>> Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo
>> Trim wiring???
>>
>>
>> Anything I'm not thinking of?
>>
>> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you
have and suggestions. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Morning Tim:
Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that were
called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you have the
nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold the
brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side line i
changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more
connection under left & right seat however there was much less bending of
the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a pic.
Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc , still
figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only 1
conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How about
your panel ?
Brian Bollaert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage...
> Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor panels...
> some got them, some didn't.
>
> Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge things
> under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side.
> K1000-3.
>
> Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2.
>
> I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing
> 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that
> people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these
> nutplates.
>
> Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to
> verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things
> out at the last minute.
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I'd be interested in the different fuel line routing - was the
motivation simply to reduce the number of bends?
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
bollaert
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
<bbollaert@comcast.net>
Morning Tim:
Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that were
called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you have
the
nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold the
brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side line
i
changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more
connection under left & right seat however there was much less bending
of
the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a pic.
Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc ,
still
figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only 1
conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How
about
your panel ?
Brian Bollaert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage...
> Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor
panels...
> some got them, some didn't.
>
> Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge
things
> under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side.
> K1000-3.
>
> Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2.
>
> I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing
> 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that
> people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these
> nutplates.
>
> Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to
> verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things
> out at the last minute.
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My Checklist for the first flight. |
Randy,
1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight.
2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number of hours.
Here is what I would do:
1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft - 5,000 ft
2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport.
3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare person in the
other plane can have a copy of your check list and can keep notes for later
review. You do not need the distraction of another plane too close so make sure
the other plane stays out of the way most of the time. The other plane can
also look for leaks, smoke, ....
4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so I would not
be to concerned about writing everything down.
5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I would fly it for
45 mins to 1 hour.
6. Download the flight data after the first flight.
If you need some help give me a call..
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I have a
question on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not have it on,
is thee a reason? Anything to prevent fuel starvation close to the
ground. Several of the people I have flown RV's with always turn the
pump on for takeoff and landing.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know
if you have and suggestions. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
That sounds close to my thoughts except for the other plane. I like the idea. Are
you willing to do that??? Please?
The leaning is for future use not this flight. Full rich is the order of the day.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RobHickman@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
Randy,
1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight.
2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number of hours.
Here is what I would do:
1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft - 5,000 ft
2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport.
3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare person in the other
plane can have a copy of your check list and can keep notes for later review.
You do not need the distraction of another plane too close so make sure the
other plane stays out of the way most of the time. The other plane can also
look for leaks, smoke, ....
4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so I would not be
to concerned about writing everything down.
5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I would fly it for 45
mins to 1 hour.
6. Download the flight data after the first flight.
If you need some help give me a call..
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Found some good Conduit for running to tailcone |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I've been wanting to get my conduit for my wire run to the tailcone
from the mid-fuse. Today I had a brilliant idea. I knew at work
we had InnerDuct for running fiberoptic cables for the network.
Randy said his .600" I.D./.700 O.D. tubing was pretty tight, and
bigger or dual per side would be better. At work, they had some
scrap InnerDuct with 1.05" I.D. and it was nice and soft and
plenum rated/UL listed stuff. Should be well over double the
volume through which to pull the wires.
I thought I'd post the info on the product here for the archives.
Here's a link:
http://www.carlon.com/Brochures/2F50-Plenum.pdf
Here's what's printed on it:
1" Carlon Pelnum-Gard CF4X 9P1222996B (UL)
"optical fiber/communication raceway" "Plenum"
There are many part numbers on this page for ordering different
sized rolls. It's not a low-quantity item, so you'd probably want
to scrounge some from someone who works at some big company who
has fiberoptic networking in their building. (Very common)
I'd assume ours is something like: CF4X1C-500. It even
comes with a 900lb rated pull string!
From this page, it looks like about .50cents/ft if you had to buy
it, but ours was actually a small amount of scrap left over from
a recent networking project.
http://www.fourpts.com/gsa4.html
This page shows a little better photo:
http://www.ezalarms.com/ezStore123/DTProductZoom.asp?productID=10029
I'll post some photos soon once I drill out my holes and
run the stuff. It's very nice, because the stuff from
the home store (Menards..around here) is very stiff and hard plastic
even though it's corrugated. I'm sure the Blue stuff I had bought
would actually be able to be cracked under certain situations.
This stuff is softer, very much like Van's conduit and being
corrugated, it's nice and flexible. Very light weight too.
Just wanted to post that find to give any conduit-seekers another
thing to think about.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump
on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel
pump except for starting. Randy
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I have a question
on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not have it on, is thee a reason?
Anything to prevent fuel starvation close to the ground. Several of the people
I have flown RV's with always turn the pump on for takeoff and landing.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you
have and suggestions. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to
if they learned what to do about this:
My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running
all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where
the steps attach. Here's a photo:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html
In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs,
and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the
next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the
nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way
through and across.
Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it,
and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do
we have to cut it to the proper length?
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Hello Bob:
Absolutley it was !, after ruining 12 feet or so of 3/8 /tube ! the more you
bend it the weaker it gets & and it is really (for me anyway ) difficult to
get those bends right , i will post a pic this afternoon .
Brian Bollaert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I'd be interested in the different fuel line routing - was the
> motivation simply to reduce the number of bends?
>
> Bob #40105
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
> bollaert
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
> <bbollaert@comcast.net>
>
> Morning Tim:
>
> Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that were
> called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you have
> the
> nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold the
> brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side line
> i
> changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more
> connection under left & right seat however there was much less bending
> of
> the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a pic.
>
> Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc ,
> still
> figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only 1
> conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How
> about
> your panel ?
>
> Brian Bollaert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:01 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage...
> > Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor
> panels...
> > some got them, some didn't.
> >
> > Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge
> things
> > under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side.
> > K1000-3.
> >
> > Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2.
> >
> > I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing
> > 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that
> > people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these
> > nutplates.
> >
> > Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to
> > verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things
> > out at the last minute.
> >
> > Tim
> > --
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> > Current project: Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
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| Subject: | Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Brian you and I were on the same track. I put an additional connection just outside
the center ribs under each seat. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of brian bollaert
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Hello Bob:
Absolutley it was !, after ruining 12 feet or so of 3/8 /tube ! the more you
bend it the weaker it gets & and it is really (for me anyway ) difficult to
get those bends right , i will post a pic this afternoon .
Brian Bollaert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I'd be interested in the different fuel line routing - was the
> motivation simply to reduce the number of bends?
>
> Bob #40105
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
> bollaert
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
> <bbollaert@comcast.net>
>
> Morning Tim:
>
> Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that were
> called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you have
> the
> nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold the
> brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side line
> i
> changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more
> connection under left & right seat however there was much less bending
> of
> the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a pic.
>
> Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc ,
> still
> figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only 1
> conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How
> about
> your panel ?
>
> Brian Bollaert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:01 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage...
> > Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor
> panels...
> > some got them, some didn't.
> >
> > Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge
> things
> > under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side.
> > K1000-3.
> >
> > Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2.
> >
> > I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing
> > 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that
> > people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these
> > nutplates.
> >
> > Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to
> > verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things
> > out at the last minute.
> >
> > Tim
> > --
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> > Current project: Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
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| Subject: | Re: My Checklist for the first flight. |
The fuel system on the Continental is totally different from the IO-540. In
my RV-4 I always use the boost pump for take off and landing. If you lose
the mechanical pump on takeoff will the engine continue to run without the
boost pump? I would also think that the probability of a pump failure is higher
on a new engine pump then on one that has 100 hours on it?
Why not use the boost pump on takeoff?
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Tim,
The pipe doesn't exist on the SB. The pipe portion of the step goes
through the skin and weldment and then ends just after going through the
nylon block. There's a single bolt that is match drilled through a hole
in the weldment that holds it in place. The steps that I got were a
single piece for each side and the pipe section was about 12" long (part
that goes into the fuselage). The pipe section was a very snug fit in
the weldment - no way you could install with anything else there. I
suspect that the long pipe in yours if for shipping unless there was a
change to the design of the steps.
I've a picture that I'll send offline that shows mine.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to
if they learned what to do about this:
My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running
all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where
the steps attach. Here's a photo:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html
In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs,
and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the
next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the
nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way
through and across.
Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it,
and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do
we have to cut it to the proper length?
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
That looks like a good list.
Good luck to you.
Niko
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you
have and suggestions. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Thanks, I'm just about to tackle that.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
bollaert
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
<bbollaert@comcast.net>
Hello Bob:
Absolutley it was !, after ruining 12 feet or so of 3/8 /tube ! the more
you
bend it the weaker it gets & and it is really (for me anyway ) difficult
to
get those bends right , i will post a pic this afternoon .
Brian Bollaert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I'd be interested in the different fuel line routing - was the
> motivation simply to reduce the number of bends?
>
> Bob #40105
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
> bollaert
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
> <bbollaert@comcast.net>
>
> Morning Tim:
>
> Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that
were
> called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you
have
> the
> nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold
the
> brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side
line
> i
> changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more
> connection under left & right seat however there was much less
bending
> of
> the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a
pic.
>
> Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc ,
> still
> figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only
1
> conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How
> about
> your panel ?
>
> Brian Bollaert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:01 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage...
> > Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor
> panels...
> > some got them, some didn't.
> >
> > Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge
> things
> > under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per
side.
> > K1000-3.
> >
> > Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of
2.
> >
> > I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was
missing
> > 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that
> > people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these
> > nutplates.
> >
> > Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to
> > verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things
> > out at the last minute.
> >
> > Tim
> > --
> > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> > Current project: Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
5/17/2005
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
I will see what happens when I run the engine next time. You are correct that
the fuel systems are different. I will call Tom and see what the normal is for
the IO 540. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RobHickman@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
The fuel system on the Continental is totally different from the IO-540. In my
RV-4 I always use the boost pump for take off and landing. If you lose the mechanical
pump on takeoff will the engine continue to run without the boost pump?
I would also think that the probability of a pump failure is higher on a
new engine pump then on one that has 100 hours on it?
Why not use the boost pump on takeoff?
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Re: Strontium Chromate |
I have a QB kit, that comes primed withwhat I believe is a Sherwin Williams primer.
Can anybody advise whether I can touch up with a Strontium Chromate primer.
What are the rest of you QB builders doing.
Dave Emond
40159
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| Subject: | Re: My Checklist for the first flight. |
My Checklist for the first flight.Sounds like something is wrong within the fuel
system of 220RV. What happens if the engine driven pump fails in flight and
turning on the electric one kills the engine ??? No bypass for excess electric
fuel pump pressure ?? Is 220RV carb or Injected ?? IF carb, it sounds like
the excess pressure is overriding the float cutoff (or thru primer system) &
flooding the engine. IF FI, check for internal leak(s) in the "spider". (That
has to be done at a "Repair Station" and costs LOTS of money. BUT worth every
penny.) KABONG Do Not Archive N561FS IO-540 250HP HRII
From: Randy DeBauw
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump
on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the
fuel pump except for starting. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
Or is it the combination of engine driven pump and electric pump is flooding the
engine?
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
Sounds like something is wrong within the fuel system of 220RV. What happens if
the engine driven pump fails in flight and turning on the electric one kills
the engine ??? No bypass for excess electric fuel pump pressure ?? Is 220RV
carb or Injected ?? IF carb, it sounds like the excess pressure is overriding
the float cutoff (or thru primer system) & flooding the engine. IF FI, check
for internal leak(s) in the "spider". (That has to be done at a "Repair Station"
and costs LOTS of money. BUT worth every penny.) KABONG Do Not Archive
N561FS IO-540 250HP HRII
From: Randy <mailto:Randy@abros.com> DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump
on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel
pump except for starting. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
I need to check that out next time I fire it up. Randy
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
Or is it the combination of engine driven pump and electric pump is flooding the
engine?
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
Sounds like something is wrong within the fuel system of 220RV. What happens if
the engine driven pump fails in flight and turning on the electric one kills
the engine ??? No bypass for excess electric fuel pump pressure ?? Is 220RV
carb or Injected ?? IF carb, it sounds like the excess pressure is overriding
the float cutoff (or thru primer system) & flooding the engine. IF FI, check
for internal leak(s) in the "spider". (That has to be done at a "Repair Station"
and costs LOTS of money. BUT worth every penny.) KABONG Do Not Archive
N561FS IO-540 250HP HRII
From: Randy DeBauw <mailto:Randy@abros.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump
on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel
pump except for starting. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
You have your boost pump turned on for take off, but there is nothing beyond
that saying to turn it off for cruise. You also leave out turning it on
prior to landing. If an IO engine, and I have only flown the 540 in
Cessnas, so the tank feed situation is obviously different, but you might
not want the boost pump on too long. What do they do for the company -10?
I know for the Piper's I've flown the pump is turned on just before take
off, but off after you've established a good climb.
John Jessen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if
you have and suggestions. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | Re: My Checklist for the first flight. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
The Beech Sierra is the same way...no fuel pump on except for
starting and emergencies...you'll flood the engine kill
it if you turn it on in the air.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
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Randy DeBauw wrote:
> That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the
> fuel pump on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies
> if you use the fuel pump except for starting. Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Lloyd,
> Daniel R.
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
>
> I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I
> have a question on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not
> have it on, is thee a reason? Anything to prevent fuel starvation
> close to the ground. Several of the people I have flown RV's with
> always turn the pump on for takeoff and landing.
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy
> DeBauw
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:37 AM
> *To:* Rv10-List (E-mail)
> *Subject:* RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
>
> I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me
> know if you have and suggestions. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
>
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
It must be all KABONGed up. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
Sounds like something is wrong within the fuel system of 220RV. What happens if
the engine driven pump fails in flight and turning on the electric one kills
the engine ??? No bypass for excess electric fuel pump pressure ?? Is 220RV
carb or Injected ?? IF carb, it sounds like the excess pressure is overriding
the float cutoff (or thru primer system) & flooding the engine. IF FI, check
for internal leak(s) in the "spider". (That has to be done at a "Repair Station"
and costs LOTS of money. BUT worth every penny.) KABONG Do Not Archive
N561FS IO-540 250HP HRII
From: Randy <mailto:Randy@abros.com> DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump
on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel
pump except for starting. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
Is it just me? I seem to be getting various posts in odd order. This one
below came in to my box after it was already answered.
John Jessen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RobHickman@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
Randy,
1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight.
2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number of hours.
Here is what I would do:
1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft - 5,000 ft
2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport.
3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare person in the
other plane can have a copy of your check list and can keep notes for later
review. You do not need the distraction of another plane too close so make
sure the other plane stays out of the way most of the time. The other
plane can also look for leaks, smoke, ....
4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so I would not
be to concerned about writing everything down.
5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I would fly it
for 45 mins to 1 hour.
6. Download the flight data after the first flight.
If you need some help give me a call..
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
Ah....Jeopardy order
Kent
40338
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe.
com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
Is it just me? I seem to be getting various posts in odd order. This
one below came in to my box after it was already answered.
John Jessen
Do not archive
=09
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
Randy,
1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight.
2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number
of hours.
Here is what I would do:
1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft -
5,000 ft
2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport.
3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare
person in the other plane can have a copy of your check list and can
keep notes for later review. You do not need the distraction of another
plane too close so make sure the other plane stays out of the way most
of the time. The other plane can also look for leaks, smoke, ....
4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so
I would not be to concerned about writing everything down.
5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I
would fly it for 45 mins to 1 hour.
6. Download the flight data after the first flight.
If you need some help give me a call..
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond" <d_emond@mweb.co.za>
This pipe is only for shipping purposes, however my steps don't line up with
the nylon blocks. I still need to investigate further, possible that these
blocks need to be re- orientated to get the alignment right.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to
> if they learned what to do about this:
>
> My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running
> all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where
> the steps attach. Here's a photo:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html
>
> In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs,
> and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the
> next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the
> nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way
> through and across.
>
> Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it,
> and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do
> we have to cut it to the proper length?
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My Checklist for the first flight. |
My Checklist for the first flight.Do you have a fuel injection pump (25-30 psi)
in a carbureted system (4-6 psi)?
kabong
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy DeBauw
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump
on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the
fuel pump except for starting. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I have a question
on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not have it on, is thee a
reason? Anything to prevent fuel starvation close to the ground. Several of the
people I have flown RV's with always turn the pump on for takeoff and landing.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:37 AM
To: Rv10-List (E-mail)
Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if
you have and suggestions. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | Re: My Checklist for the first flight. |
My Checklist for the first flight.If it was KABONGed, it would run perfect & run
forever.
"If life give you nothing but lemons, make lemonade."
KABONG 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy DeBauw
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
It must be all KABONGed up. Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" <bbollaert@comcast.net>
Tim:
just remove it , its for shipping best i could figure , then just put the
step legs in .
brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to
> if they learned what to do about this:
>
> My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running
> all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where
> the steps attach. Here's a photo:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html
>
> In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs,
> and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the
> next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the
> nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way
> through and across.
>
> Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it,
> and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do
> we have to cut it to the proper length?
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My Checklist for the first flight. |
RobHickman@aol.com wrote:
> Randy,
>
> 1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight.
Yes you do, if you're breaking in a new engine ..... especially on 100
Lotsa Lead
> 2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number of hours.
True! Run the crap out of it until the oil consumption goes somewhat
flat. You want the cylinder pressures as high as you can get them to
seat the rings. I run mogas and still lean on the ground, in climb,
cruise, and descent. Do not worry about harming your engine. The
periods of non-use will cause more damage than stressing the engine.
Do, however, pay close attention to CHTs and EGTs and keep them under
control.
> Here is what I would do:
>
> 1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft - 5,000
> ft
>
> 2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport.
>
> 3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare person in
> the other plane can have a copy of your check list and can keep notes
> for later review. You do not need the distraction of another plane
> too close so make sure the other plane stays out of the way most of
> the time. The other plane can also look for leaks, smoke, ....
>
> 4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so I
> would not be to concerned about writing everything down.
>
> 5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I would fly
> it for 45 mins to 1 hour.
>
> 6. Download the flight data after the first flight.
>
> If you need some help give me a call..
>
> Rob Hickman
All good suggestions. My first flight (in an S-1 Pitts) lasted an hour
..... probably because I was scared to come down since I'd heard nothing
but horror stories about how a Pitts wants to groundloop. :-P
My only addition to the 6 items (you didn't include any airwork .....
that I saw) would be to fly the whole envelope from slow speed and
stalls to high speed handling. Leave accelerated stalls for some other
time. Also run the trim from one extreme to the other is slow/fast flight.
Oh yeah, enjoy the flight. It appears that it'll be a non-event!!!
Linn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
The blocks actually have a slight angle on one face and are therefore
directional. I would think that a pipe through both blocks and
weldments would guarantee alignment, but it's possible I suppose that
the blocks got rotated before bolting in.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave & Brenda
Emond
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond"
<d_emond@mweb.co.za>
This pipe is only for shipping purposes, however my steps don't line up
with
the nylon blocks. I still need to investigate further, possible that
these
blocks need to be re- orientated to get the alignment right.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to
> if they learned what to do about this:
>
> My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running
> all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where
> the steps attach. Here's a photo:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html
>
> In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs,
> and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the
> next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the
> nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way
> through and across.
>
> Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it,
> and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do
> we have to cut it to the proper length?
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
> Current project: Fuselage
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Wiring kit from Van's |
Greetings...
Does anyone have any input on the wiring kit that Van's offers for $560?
thanks....Jearl Strickland # 214 "fuselage"
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| Subject: | My Checklist for the first flight. |
IO 540. I will be amending my Checklist. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
Do you have a fuel injection pump (25-30 psi) in a carbureted system (4-6 psi)?
kabong
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy DeBauw <mailto:Randy@abros.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump
on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel
pump except for starting. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I have a question
on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not have it on, is thee a reason?
Anything to prevent fuel starvation close to the ground. Several of the people
I have flown RV's with always turn the pump on for takeoff and landing.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight.
I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you
have and suggestions. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | Check list updated |
Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op Limitations
in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight.
Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a lot.
Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I have changed
my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without leaning.
Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments. Randy
<<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | Check list updated |
What's the first flight equivalent of wishing an actor well on opening
night? Instead of "break a leg" I guess, "bend a prop" ?
Anyway, best of luck!
John
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_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated
Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op
Limitations in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight.
Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a
lot. Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I
have changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours
without leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the
comments. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert St.Denis" <rob@iahu.ca>
I'm curious if anyone has the specs with regards to the flaps
deflection
span (single flap)
area (single flap)
tnx a bunch guys
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| Subject: | Re: Check list updated |
In my family, the send off for driving home home is not "be safe" or
anything like that. We say "Drive fast!"
So, how about "Fly fast!"
mg
John Jessen wrote:
> What's the first flight equivalent of wishing an actor well on opening
> night? Instead of "break a leg" I guess, "bend a prop" ?
>
> Anyway, best of luck!
>
> John
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Defroster, construction sequence |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sheldon Olesen <saolesen@sirentel.net>
Has anyone got a good solution for windshield defroster. This
probably not a high priority for you guys down south but in
northwestern WI it is.
I've been thinking some kind of flapper valve off the heat duct by the
rudder pedals and a hose going up to the wind shield with a diffuser
penetrating the fuse skin. I really hate the idea of making a hole in
the skin. I haven't checked with Van's to find out if the hole is OK.
Are there any better ideas?
One other question for the guy who are nearly finished. Is there a
construction sequence with regard to wiring, painting, engine install,
upholstery, etc that worked well for you? By that I mean, the most
efficient with the least amount of assembly and disassembly possible.
In hind sight what would you change?
Sheldon Olesen
#40080 Cabin cover
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| Subject: | Almost done question |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
There was a short list of people that were getting "finished" a while back. Does
anyone know the mix of QB vs SB in that list.
Just curious.
I was wondering how the QB group is faring, as to getting almost done. Since there
was a delay in QB shipping getting underway. Clearly the SB builders had
a little bit of a head start.
Thanks, Jim C
#40192 (Uloaded the Fuse kit yesterday! - What a BOX!)
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| Subject: | Re: Check list updated |
Check list updatedHow about don't forget the parachute! And have fun!
Chris Lucas
#40072
wings wings wings
----- Original Message -----
From: John Jessen
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated
What's the first flight equivalent of wishing an actor well on opening night?
Instead of "break a leg" I guess, "bend a prop" ?
Anyway, best of luck!
John
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:01 PM
To: Rv10-List (E-mail)
Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated
Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op Limitations
in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight.
Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a lot.
Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I have
changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without
leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments.
Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System? |
I inventoried my FWF kit today and my Vetterman Exhaust System (IO540) does not
look like what the intructions or Randy's pictures show. I have 2 separate heat
shrouds each with a tail pipe at one end and a 3-to-1 at the other. Of course
there are 2 flanges on the side of each shroud for in/out scat tubes. These
shrouds appear to have been made to run longitudinally alongside the induction
system. The intructions show one big shroud positioned laterally aft of
the induction system with only one tail pipe. I haven't trial fitted them on
the engine yet because without an achilles tendon on one leg does not allow me
to do much. I also have taken a lot of pain killer which makes me woozie but
I'm sure I don't have the right exhaust system.
Anh
#141
(Finish kit on standby)
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| Subject: | Re: rattle can primer |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
> Sherwin Williams 988 is very good stuff for a "rattle can". Special nozzle
> that sprays very well.
> If you go to any NAPA auto store, they carry Dupli-Color DAP 1690 >
Self-Etching Primer for $5.95. It is great stuff and I use if for small
> parts when I do not want to mix up the two part stuff.
Thanks all for the advice on where to find the primer.
I went to a local Sherwin Williams outlet store in Chapel Hill after
work tonight, and was told they do not carry it at that location.
I went to Autozone, and found the empty shelf with the label
for the Dupli-Color 1690. I went to Walmart and found
nothing... *grin*
So, I ordered 4 cans of SW 988 from their web store.
Should hopefully be here soon. Now I guess I have to learn
the best technique for using a spray can - haven't used
one in years. Pointy end of the can goes away from
you - okay, got it! :-)
Thanks again,
-Dj
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| Subject: | Check list updated |
Randy, it is one of those moments in life. Just like the day we all solo'ed.
Proud were we, eh? Not a thing in the mortal world could touch us. We were
"pilots". We could take off, do the pattern and land. Oh, what a beautiful
thing! Nothing else mattered.
I have to leave @ 4AM to fly (commercial) to San Diego for our annual Chest
Physician's Conference. I will be the only one presenting a paper from my
Alma Mator: Indiana University/Purdue University. Will be away for a whole
week.
Trust me when I tell you this. I just returned from a combat zone after
facing a LOT of action.
Prepare for all. And leave nothing to chance. If chance were to happen, you
are in control.
I know you are there. Good luck to you, my friend. Part of my conscious mind
will be with you.
I am taking my laptop and will be following.
Mani
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated
Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op
Limitations in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight.
Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a
lot. Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I
have changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours
without leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the
comments. Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | Check list updated |
Thanks.. I think. Randy
________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated
What's the first flight equivalent of wishing an actor well on opening night?
Instead of "break a leg" I guess, "bend a prop" ?
Anyway, best of luck!
John
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:01 PM
To: Rv10-List (E-mail)
Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated
=09
=09
Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op
Limitations in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight.
Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies
a lot. Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I
have changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without
leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments.
Randy <<N610RV Checklists.doc>>
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| Subject: | FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System? |
Anh, you got the Vetterman. I have the Aerospace something. Vetterman is what
Doug Pederson has. I think 410RV has the Vetterman on it now. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of DejaVu
Subject: RV10-List: FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System?
I inventoried my FWF kit today and my Vetterman Exhaust System (IO540) does not
look like what the intructions or Randy's pictures show. I have 2 separate heat
shrouds each with a tail pipe at one end and a 3-to-1 at the other. Of course
there are 2 flanges on the side of each shroud for in/out scat tubes. These
shrouds appear to have been made to run longitudinally alongside the induction
system. The intructions show one big shroud positioned laterally aft of
the induction system with only one tail pipe. I haven't trial fitted them on
the engine yet because without an achilles tendon on one leg does not allow me
to do much. I also have taken a lot of pain killer which makes me woozie but
I'm sure I don't have the right exhaust system.
Anh
#141
(Finish kit on standby)
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| Subject: | Check list updated |
Thank you for the kind words. I will be keeping everyone up to date. Randy
________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated
Randy, it is one of those moments in life. Just like the day we all solo'ed. Proud
were we, eh? Not a thing in the mortal world could touch us. We were "pilots".
We could take off, do the pattern and land. Oh, what a beautiful thing! Nothing
else mattered.
I have to leave @ 4AM to fly (commercial) to San Diego for our annual Chest Physician's
Conference. I will be the only one presenting a paper from my Alma Mator:
Indiana University/Purdue University. Will be away for a whole week.
Trust me when I tell you this. I just returned from a combat zone after facing
a LOT of action.
Prepare for all. And leave nothing to chance. If chance were to happen, you are
in control.
I know you are there. Good luck to you, my friend. Part of my conscious mind will
be with you.
I am taking my laptop and will be following.
Mani
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated
Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op Limitations
in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight.
Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a lot.
Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I have changed
my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without leaning.
Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments. Randy
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