---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/18/05: 48 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:51 AM - Re: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) 2. 07:38 AM - My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw) 3. 08:28 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (brian bollaert) 4. 08:45 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 5. 08:59 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (RobHickman@aol.com) 6. 08:59 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 7. 09:12 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw) 8. 09:13 AM - Found some good Conduit for running to tailcone (Tim Olson) 9. 09:14 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto) 10. 09:18 AM - Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Tim Olson) 11. 09:23 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (brian bollaert) 12. 09:25 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (Randy DeBauw) 13. 09:48 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (RobHickman@aol.com) 14. 09:48 AM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 15. 09:51 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr)) 16. 09:55 AM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 17. 09:57 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw) 18. 10:41 AM - Re: Strontium Chromate (Dave & Brenda Emond) 19. 10:57 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (JOHN STARN) 20. 11:01 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 21. 11:04 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto) 22. 11:05 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (John Jessen) 23. 11:05 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Tim Olson) 24. 11:05 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw) 25. 11:38 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (John Jessen) 26. 11:40 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) 27. 11:46 AM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Mark Ritter) 28. 11:47 AM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Dave & Brenda Emond) 29. 11:53 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (JOHN STARN) 30. 11:59 AM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (JOHN STARN) 31. 12:01 PM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (brian bollaert) 32. 01:00 PM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (linn walters) 33. 01:02 PM - Re: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 34. 03:08 PM - RV-10 Wiring kit from Van's (Strickland, L Jearl) 35. 03:59 PM - Re: My Checklist for the first flight. (Randy DeBauw) 36. 04:01 PM - Check list updated (Randy DeBauw) 37. 04:21 PM - Re: Check list updated (John Jessen) 38. 04:53 PM - flap specs (Robert St.Denis) 39. 06:43 PM - Re: Check list updated (Mark Grieve) 40. 07:08 PM - Defroster, construction sequence (Sheldon Olesen) 41. 07:33 PM - Almost done question (Jim Combs) 42. 07:37 PM - Re: Check list updated (Chris) 43. 08:39 PM - FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System? (DejaVu) 44. 08:50 PM - Re: rattle can primer (Dj Merrill) 45. 08:54 PM - Re: Check list updated (Mani Ravee) 46. 10:17 PM - Re: Check list updated (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Jessen) 47. 10:21 PM - Re: FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System? (Randy DeBauw) 48. 10:24 PM - Re: Check list updated (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mani Ravee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" Yes, it does have passenger isolate. It also has two music inputs. Thank You Ray Doerr -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Subject: RE: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." I think they also can put a power Jack there, so that would be good for a portable DVD/?? Also can someone verify for me that a GMA 340 intercom has passenger isolate? IE the two in back can be isolated from the two in front? If they can not, can anyone recommend an intercom/audio panel that will? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens If you're going with the Aerocraft panel, is a good place for the rear mic jacks on the back face of the center console? -Sean #40303 Tim Olson wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > See now that's the kind of help I needed! :) Thanks Dan, > I would have forgotten about static lines. I'll have to > look closely at the headset jack plan...maybe that bar behind the > rear seats wouldn't be a bad place, or many other various locations. > I defnitely plan to have some sort of video screens on the front > seatbacks, but I think it'll be driven by a portable unit...probably > not a portable DVD player, but a hard drive based system. I currently > carry a tablet PC and plug it into the car stereo. Works well, > but I'd like more of a "monitor" type screen. > > Also good suggestions from Dan C. in the other post. > > > Tim > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." >> >> >> Are the static lines already run? How and where are you putting your >> rear Headsets, and if you plan on a DVD player and displays for the >> seats? And power leads for them. Dan >> 40269 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:04 PM >> To: RV10 >> Subject: RV10-List: Soundproofing foam - and Stinky Stuff >> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson >> >> Wow, I just got my soundproofing foam and 2 cans of Sticky Stuff today. >> It definitely does look like good stuff to put under the floor. So >> far I got a 4'x4' square of 3 thicknesses....3/4", 1/2", and 3/8". >> Going thinner the further rearward I go. >> >> That stuff though...the soundproofing, man it stinks. I laid it out >> in the garage and it got to my throat worse than MEK, Toluene, >> and even paint and primer. Does it eventually get better, or do I have >> to get it sealed up quickly? >> >> One misc. question... >> >> I'm about to close up the floors under the baggage area, and before I >> do, I'm running conduit like Randy did on this page: >> http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/wire_routing/index.html >> >> Can anyone think of any reason why 2 tubes of 3/4" conduit wouldn't >> be enough for all the wires that will run to the tail? The wires >> I currently think will be there are: >> >> Main battery cable (1) >> Strobe power supply wires (if mounting in tailcone) >> Stobe wires going up to wings >> Tail light wire >> Elt control wires >> Autopilot servo wiring for pitch servo >> Trim wiring??? >> >> >> Anything I'm not thinking of? >> >> Tim > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:16 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. From: "Randy DeBauw" I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you have and suggestions. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:13 AM PST US From: "brian bollaert" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" Morning Tim: Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that were called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you have the nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold the brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side line i changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more connection under left & right seat however there was much less bending of the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a pic. Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc , still figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only 1 conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How about your panel ? Brian Bollaert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage... > Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor panels... > some got them, some didn't. > > Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge things > under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side. > K1000-3. > > Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2. > > I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing > 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that > people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these > nutplates. > > Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to > verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things > out at the last minute. > > Tim > -- > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > Current project: Fuselage > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I'd be interested in the different fuel line routing - was the motivation simply to reduce the number of bends? Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian bollaert Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" Morning Tim: Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that were called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you have the nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold the brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side line i changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more connection under left & right seat however there was much less bending of the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a pic. Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc , still figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only 1 conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How about your panel ? Brian Bollaert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage... > Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor panels... > some got them, some didn't. > > Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge things > under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side. > K1000-3. > > Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2. > > I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing > 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that > people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these > nutplates. > > Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to > verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things > out at the last minute. > > Tim > -- > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > Current project: Fuselage > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:30 AM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Randy, 1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight. 2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number of hours. Here is what I would do: 1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft - 5,000 ft 2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport. 3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare person in the other plane can have a copy of your check list and can keep notes for later review. You do not need the distraction of another plane too close so make sure the other plane stays out of the way most of the time. The other plane can also look for leaks, smoke, .... 4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so I would not be to concerned about writing everything down. 5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I would fly it for 45 mins to 1 hour. 6. Download the flight data after the first flight. If you need some help give me a call.. Rob Hickman ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I have a question on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not have it on, is thee a reason? Anything to prevent fuel starvation close to the ground. Several of the people I have flown RV's with always turn the pump on for takeoff and landing. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you have and suggestions. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:13 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. From: "Randy DeBauw" That sounds close to my thoughts except for the other plane. I like the idea. Are you willing to do that??? Please? The leaning is for future use not this flight. Full rich is the order of the day. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Randy, 1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight. 2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number of hours. Here is what I would do: 1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft - 5,000 ft 2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport. 3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare person in the other plane can have a copy of your check list and can keep notes for later review. You do not need the distraction of another plane too close so make sure the other plane stays out of the way most of the time. The other plane can also look for leaks, smoke, .... 4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so I would not be to concerned about writing everything down. 5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I would fly it for 45 mins to 1 hour. 6. Download the flight data after the first flight. If you need some help give me a call.. Rob Hickman ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:59 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Found some good Conduit for running to tailcone --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I've been wanting to get my conduit for my wire run to the tailcone from the mid-fuse. Today I had a brilliant idea. I knew at work we had InnerDuct for running fiberoptic cables for the network. Randy said his .600" I.D./.700 O.D. tubing was pretty tight, and bigger or dual per side would be better. At work, they had some scrap InnerDuct with 1.05" I.D. and it was nice and soft and plenum rated/UL listed stuff. Should be well over double the volume through which to pull the wires. I thought I'd post the info on the product here for the archives. Here's a link: http://www.carlon.com/Brochures/2F50-Plenum.pdf Here's what's printed on it: 1" Carlon Pelnum-Gard CF4X 9P1222996B (UL) "optical fiber/communication raceway" "Plenum" There are many part numbers on this page for ordering different sized rolls. It's not a low-quantity item, so you'd probably want to scrounge some from someone who works at some big company who has fiberoptic networking in their building. (Very common) I'd assume ours is something like: CF4X1C-500. It even comes with a 900lb rated pull string! From this page, it looks like about .50cents/ft if you had to buy it, but ours was actually a small amount of scrap left over from a recent networking project. http://www.fourpts.com/gsa4.html This page shows a little better photo: http://www.ezalarms.com/ezStore123/DTProductZoom.asp?productID=10029 I'll post some photos soon once I drill out my holes and run the stuff. It's very nice, because the stuff from the home store (Menards..around here) is very stiff and hard plastic even though it's corrugated. I'm sure the Blue stuff I had bought would actually be able to be cracked under certain situations. This stuff is softer, very much like Van's conduit and being corrugated, it's nice and flexible. Very light weight too. Just wanted to post that find to give any conduit-seekers another thing to think about. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel pump except for starting. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I have a question on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not have it on, is thee a reason? Anything to prevent fuel starvation close to the ground. Several of the people I have flown RV's with always turn the pump on for takeoff and landing. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you have and suggestions. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:04 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to if they learned what to do about this: My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where the steps attach. Here's a photo: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs, and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way through and across. Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it, and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do we have to cut it to the proper length? Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:07 AM PST US From: "brian bollaert" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" Hello Bob: Absolutley it was !, after ruining 12 feet or so of 3/8 /tube ! the more you bend it the weaker it gets & and it is really (for me anyway ) difficult to get those bends right , i will post a pic this afternoon . Brian Bollaert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" > > I'd be interested in the different fuel line routing - was the > motivation simply to reduce the number of bends? > > Bob #40105 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian > bollaert > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" > > > Morning Tim: > > Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that were > called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you have > the > nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold the > brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side line > i > changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more > connection under left & right seat however there was much less bending > of > the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a pic. > > Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc , > still > figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only 1 > conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How > about > your panel ? > > Brian Bollaert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" > To: "RV10" > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:01 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > > > Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage... > > Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor > panels... > > some got them, some didn't. > > > > Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge > things > > under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side. > > K1000-3. > > > > Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2. > > > > I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing > > 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that > > people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these > > nutplates. > > > > Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to > > verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things > > out at the last minute. > > > > Tim > > -- > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > > Current project: Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits From: "Randy DeBauw" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" Brian you and I were on the same track. I put an additional connection just outside the center ribs under each seat. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of brian bollaert Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" Hello Bob: Absolutley it was !, after ruining 12 feet or so of 3/8 /tube ! the more you bend it the weaker it gets & and it is really (for me anyway ) difficult to get those bends right , i will post a pic this afternoon . Brian Bollaert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" > > I'd be interested in the different fuel line routing - was the > motivation simply to reduce the number of bends? > > Bob #40105 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian > bollaert > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" > > > Morning Tim: > > Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that were > called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you have > the > nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold the > brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side line > i > changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more > connection under left & right seat however there was much less bending > of > the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a pic. > > Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc , > still > figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only 1 > conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How > about > your panel ? > > Brian Bollaert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" > To: "RV10" > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:01 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > > > Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage... > > Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor > panels... > > some got them, some didn't. > > > > Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge > things > > under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side. > > K1000-3. > > > > Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2. > > > > I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing > > 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that > > people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these > > nutplates. > > > > Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to > > verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things > > out at the last minute. > > > > Tim > > -- > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > > Current project: Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:29 AM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. The fuel system on the Continental is totally different from the IO-540. In my RV-4 I always use the boost pump for take off and landing. If you lose the mechanical pump on takeoff will the engine continue to run without the boost pump? I would also think that the probability of a pump failure is higher on a new engine pump then on one that has 100 hours on it? Why not use the boost pump on takeoff? Rob Hickman ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Tim, The pipe doesn't exist on the SB. The pipe portion of the step goes through the skin and weldment and then ends just after going through the nylon block. There's a single bolt that is match drilled through a hole in the weldment that holds it in place. The steps that I got were a single piece for each side and the pipe section was about 12" long (part that goes into the fuselage). The pipe section was a very snug fit in the weldment - no way you could install with anything else there. I suspect that the long pipe in yours if for shipping unless there was a change to the design of the steps. I've a picture that I'll send offline that shows mine. Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to if they learned what to do about this: My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where the steps attach. Here's a photo: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs, and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way through and across. Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it, and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do we have to cut it to the proper length? Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. From: "Napoli, Nikolaos (Contr)" That looks like a good list. Good luck to you. Niko do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you have and suggestions. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Thanks, I'm just about to tackle that. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian bollaert Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" Hello Bob: Absolutley it was !, after ruining 12 feet or so of 3/8 /tube ! the more you bend it the weaker it gets & and it is really (for me anyway ) difficult to get those bends right , i will post a pic this afternoon . Brian Bollaert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" > > I'd be interested in the different fuel line routing - was the > motivation simply to reduce the number of bends? > > Bob #40105 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian > bollaert > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" > > > Morning Tim: > > Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that were > called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you have > the > nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold the > brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side line > i > changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one more > connection under left & right seat however there was much less bending > of > the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a pic. > > Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc , > still > figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is only 1 > conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in .How > about > your panel ? > > Brian Bollaert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" > To: "RV10" > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:01 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits > > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > > > Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage... > > Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor > panels... > > some got them, some didn't. > > > > Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge > things > > under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per side. > > K1000-3. > > > > Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of 2. > > > > I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was missing > > 4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible that > > people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these > > nutplates. > > > > Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to > > verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things > > out at the last minute. > > > > Tim > > -- > > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > > Current project: Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- 5/17/2005 > > > > > > > -- > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. From: "Randy DeBauw" I will see what happens when I run the engine next time. You are correct that the fuel systems are different. I will call Tom and see what the normal is for the IO 540. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. The fuel system on the Continental is totally different from the IO-540. In my RV-4 I always use the boost pump for take off and landing. If you lose the mechanical pump on takeoff will the engine continue to run without the boost pump? I would also think that the probability of a pump failure is higher on a new engine pump then on one that has 100 hours on it? Why not use the boost pump on takeoff? Rob Hickman ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:16 AM PST US From: "Dave & Brenda Emond" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Strontium Chromate I have a QB kit, that comes primed withwhat I believe is a Sherwin Williams primer. Can anybody advise whether I can touch up with a Strontium Chromate primer. What are the rest of you QB builders doing. Dave Emond 40159 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:40 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. My Checklist for the first flight.Sounds like something is wrong within the fuel system of 220RV. What happens if the engine driven pump fails in flight and turning on the electric one kills the engine ??? No bypass for excess electric fuel pump pressure ?? Is 220RV carb or Injected ?? IF carb, it sounds like the excess pressure is overriding the float cutoff (or thru primer system) & flooding the engine. IF FI, check for internal leak(s) in the "spider". (That has to be done at a "Repair Station" and costs LOTS of money. BUT worth every penny.) KABONG Do Not Archive N561FS IO-540 250HP HRII From: Randy DeBauw To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel pump except for starting. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:13 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Or is it the combination of engine driven pump and electric pump is flooding the engine? TDT Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Sounds like something is wrong within the fuel system of 220RV. What happens if the engine driven pump fails in flight and turning on the electric one kills the engine ??? No bypass for excess electric fuel pump pressure ?? Is 220RV carb or Injected ?? IF carb, it sounds like the excess pressure is overriding the float cutoff (or thru primer system) & flooding the engine. IF FI, check for internal leak(s) in the "spider". (That has to be done at a "Repair Station" and costs LOTS of money. BUT worth every penny.) KABONG Do Not Archive N561FS IO-540 250HP HRII From: Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel pump except for starting. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I need to check that out next time I fire it up. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Or is it the combination of engine driven pump and electric pump is flooding the engine? TDT Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Sounds like something is wrong within the fuel system of 220RV. What happens if the engine driven pump fails in flight and turning on the electric one kills the engine ??? No bypass for excess electric fuel pump pressure ?? Is 220RV carb or Injected ?? IF carb, it sounds like the excess pressure is overriding the float cutoff (or thru primer system) & flooding the engine. IF FI, check for internal leak(s) in the "spider". (That has to be done at a "Repair Station" and costs LOTS of money. BUT worth every penny.) KABONG Do Not Archive N561FS IO-540 250HP HRII From: Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel pump except for starting. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:19 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. You have your boost pump turned on for take off, but there is nothing beyond that saying to turn it off for cruise. You also leave out turning it on prior to landing. If an IO engine, and I have only flown the 540 in Cessnas, so the tank feed situation is obviously different, but you might not want the boost pump on too long. What do they do for the company -10? I know for the Piper's I've flown the pump is turned on just before take off, but off after you've established a good climb. John Jessen Do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you have and suggestions. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:26 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson The Beech Sierra is the same way...no fuel pump on except for starting and emergencies...you'll flood the engine kill it if you turn it on in the air. Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 Current project: Fuselage DO NOT ARCHIVE Randy DeBauw wrote: > That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the > fuel pump on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies > if you use the fuel pump except for starting. Randy > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Lloyd, > Daniel R. > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. > > I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I > have a question on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not > have it on, is thee a reason? Anything to prevent fuel starvation > close to the ground. Several of the people I have flown RV's with > always turn the pump on for takeoff and landing. > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy > DeBauw > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:37 AM > *To:* Rv10-List (E-mail) > *Subject:* RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. > > I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me > know if you have and suggestions. Randy <> > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. From: "Randy DeBauw" It must be all KABONGed up. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Sounds like something is wrong within the fuel system of 220RV. What happens if the engine driven pump fails in flight and turning on the electric one kills the engine ??? No bypass for excess electric fuel pump pressure ?? Is 220RV carb or Injected ?? IF carb, it sounds like the excess pressure is overriding the float cutoff (or thru primer system) & flooding the engine. IF FI, check for internal leak(s) in the "spider". (That has to be done at a "Repair Station" and costs LOTS of money. BUT worth every penny.) KABONG Do Not Archive N561FS IO-540 250HP HRII From: Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel pump except for starting. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:41 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Is it just me? I seem to be getting various posts in odd order. This one below came in to my box after it was already answered. John Jessen Do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RobHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Randy, 1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight. 2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number of hours. Here is what I would do: 1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft - 5,000 ft 2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport. 3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare person in the other plane can have a copy of your check list and can keep notes for later review. You do not need the distraction of another plane too close so make sure the other plane stays out of the way most of the time. The other plane can also look for leaks, smoke, .... 4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so I would not be to concerned about writing everything down. 5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I would fly it for 45 mins to 1 hour. 6. Download the flight data after the first flight. If you need some help give me a call.. Rob Hickman ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Ah....Jeopardy order Kent 40338 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server.at.matronics.com@matronix.rv10.at.4sythe. com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Is it just me? I seem to be getting various posts in odd order. This one below came in to my box after it was already answered. John Jessen Do not archive =09 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RobHickman@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Randy, 1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight. 2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number of hours. Here is what I would do: 1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft - 5,000 ft 2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport. 3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare person in the other plane can have a copy of your check list and can keep notes for later review. You do not need the distraction of another plane too close so make sure the other plane stays out of the way most of the time. The other plane can also look for leaks, smoke, .... 4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so I would not be to concerned about writing everything down. 5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I would fly it for 45 mins to 1 hour. 6. Download the flight data after the first flight. If you need some help give me a call.. Rob Hickman ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:15 AM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list --- MIME Errors --- A message with no text/plain section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using plaintext formatting. NOTE! This error can also occur when the poster of the message has a specific type of computer virus. This virus WAS NOT forwarded on to the List. The poster should be informed of the potential problem with their system as soon as possible. --- MIME Errors --- ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:55 AM PST US From: "Dave & Brenda Emond" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond" This pipe is only for shipping purposes, however my steps don't line up with the nylon blocks. I still need to investigate further, possible that these blocks need to be re- orientated to get the alignment right. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Subject: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to > if they learned what to do about this: > > My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running > all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where > the steps attach. Here's a photo: > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html > > In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs, > and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the > next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the > nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way > through and across. > > Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it, > and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do > we have to cut it to the proper length? > > Tim > > -- > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > Current project: Fuselage > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:19 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. My Checklist for the first flight.Do you have a fuel injection pump (25-30 psi) in a carbureted system (4-6 psi)? kabong ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy DeBauw To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel pump except for starting. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I have a question on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not have it on, is thee a reason? Anything to prevent fuel starvation close to the ground. Several of the people I have flown RV's with always turn the pump on for takeoff and landing. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:37 AM To: Rv10-List (E-mail) Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you have and suggestions. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:08 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. My Checklist for the first flight.If it was KABONGed, it would run perfect & run forever. "If life give you nothing but lemons, make lemonade." KABONG 8*) ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy DeBauw To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. It must be all KABONGed up. Randy ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:21 PM PST US From: "brian bollaert" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert" Tim: just remove it , its for shipping best i could figure , then just put the step legs in . brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Subject: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to > if they learned what to do about this: > > My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running > all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where > the steps attach. Here's a photo: > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html > > In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs, > and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the > next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the > nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way > through and across. > > Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it, > and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do > we have to cut it to the proper length? > > Tim > > -- > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > Current project: Fuselage > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:57 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. RobHickman@aol.com wrote: > Randy, > > 1. You do not want to lean the engine on the first flight. Yes you do, if you're breaking in a new engine ..... especially on 100 Lotsa Lead > 2. You need to run the engine pretty hard for the first number of hours. True! Run the crap out of it until the oil consumption goes somewhat flat. You want the cylinder pressures as high as you can get them to seat the rings. I run mogas and still lean on the ground, in climb, cruise, and descent. Do not worry about harming your engine. The periods of non-use will cause more damage than stressing the engine. Do, however, pay close attention to CHTs and EGTs and keep them under control. > Here is what I would do: > > 1. Take off and circle the airport while climbing to 3,000 ft - 5,000 > ft > > 2. If you have some wind stay up wind of the airport. > > 3. Have another plane follow you with 2 people. The spare person in > the other plane can have a copy of your check list and can keep notes > for later review. You do not need the distraction of another plane > too close so make sure the other plane stays out of the way most of > the time. The other plane can also look for leaks, smoke, .... > > 4. Your engine monitor will record all the flight parameters so I > would not be to concerned about writing everything down. > > 5. I would keep the power up and if everything looks good I would fly > it for 45 mins to 1 hour. > > 6. Download the flight data after the first flight. > > If you need some help give me a call.. > > Rob Hickman All good suggestions. My first flight (in an S-1 Pitts) lasted an hour ..... probably because I was scared to come down since I'd heard nothing but horror stories about how a Pitts wants to groundloop. :-P My only addition to the 6 items (you didn't include any airwork ..... that I saw) would be to fly the whole envelope from slow speed and stalls to high speed handling. Leave accelerated stalls for some other time. Also run the trim from one extreme to the other is slow/fast flight. Oh yeah, enjoy the flight. It appears that it'll be a non-event!!! Linn > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" The blocks actually have a slight angle on one face and are therefore directional. I would think that a pipe through both blocks and weldments would guarantee alignment, but it's possible I suppose that the blocks got rotated before bolting in. Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave & Brenda Emond Subject: Re: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond" This pipe is only for shipping purposes, however my steps don't line up with the nylon blocks. I still need to investigate further, possible that these blocks need to be re- orientated to get the alignment right. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Subject: RV10-List: Big pipe through QB Fuselage step area > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Would like to hear from another QB Fuselage RV-10 builder as to > if they learned what to do about this: > > My QB fuse was shipped with a big, long green metal pipe running > all the way through the fuselage from one side to the other, where > the steps attach. Here's a photo: > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050508/RV200505070010.html > > In the plans, they show the nylon block on one of the outer ribs, > and then a piece of tubing about 12" long to a nylon block on the > next rib inward under the baggage floor. You can see that the > nylon block is on mine too, but my pipe just goes all the way > through and across. > > Is that bar just for shipping, and we're supposed to remove it, > and just install the steps, or is that a plans change, or do > we have to cut it to the proper length? > > Tim > > -- > Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170 > Current project: Fuselage > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:13 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Wiring kit from Van's From: "Strickland, L Jearl" Greetings... Does anyone have any input on the wiring kit that Van's offers for $560? thanks....Jearl Strickland # 214 "fuselage" ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:25 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. From: "Randy DeBauw" IO 540. I will be amending my Checklist. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. Do you have a fuel injection pump (25-30 psi) in a carbureted system (4-6 psi)? kabong ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy DeBauw Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. That comes from the transition training in 410RV. We didn't use the fuel pump on it. Any thoughts Rob? By the way on 220RV the engine dies if you use the fuel pump except for starting. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I am modeling my check off list like the Cherokee's. One thing I have a question on is fuel pump for take off. I notice you do not have it on, is thee a reason? Anything to prevent fuel starvation close to the ground. Several of the people I have flown RV's with always turn the pump on for takeoff and landing. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RV10-List: My Checklist for the first flight. I am sending and copy of my checklist for the first flight. Let me know if you have and suggestions. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated From: "Randy DeBauw" Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op Limitations in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight. Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a lot. Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I have changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:48 PM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated What's the first flight equivalent of wishing an actor well on opening night? Instead of "break a leg" I guess, "bend a prop" ? Anyway, best of luck! John Do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op Limitations in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight. Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a lot. Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I have changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:27 PM PST US From: "Robert St.Denis" Subject: RV10-List: flap specs --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert St.Denis" I'm curious if anyone has the specs with regards to the flaps deflection span (single flap) area (single flap) tnx a bunch guys ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:41 PM PST US From: Mark Grieve Subject: Re: RV10-List: Check list updated In my family, the send off for driving home home is not "be safe" or anything like that. We say "Drive fast!" So, how about "Fly fast!" mg John Jessen wrote: > What's the first flight equivalent of wishing an actor well on opening > night? Instead of "break a leg" I guess, "bend a prop" ? > > Anyway, best of luck! > > John > > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:25 PM PST US From: Sheldon Olesen Subject: RV10-List: Defroster, construction sequence --> RV10-List message posted by: Sheldon Olesen Has anyone got a good solution for windshield defroster. This probably not a high priority for you guys down south but in northwestern WI it is. I've been thinking some kind of flapper valve off the heat duct by the rudder pedals and a hose going up to the wind shield with a diffuser penetrating the fuse skin. I really hate the idea of making a hole in the skin. I haven't checked with Van's to find out if the hole is OK. Are there any better ideas? One other question for the guy who are nearly finished. Is there a construction sequence with regard to wiring, painting, engine install, upholstery, etc that worked well for you? By that I mean, the most efficient with the least amount of assembly and disassembly possible. In hind sight what would you change? Sheldon Olesen #40080 Cabin cover ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:40 PM PST US From: "Jim Combs" Subject: RV10-List: Almost done question --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" There was a short list of people that were getting "finished" a while back. Does anyone know the mix of QB vs SB in that list. Just curious. I was wondering how the QB group is faring, as to getting almost done. Since there was a delay in QB shipping getting underway. Clearly the SB builders had a little bit of a head start. Thanks, Jim C #40192 (Uloaded the Fuse kit yesterday! - What a BOX!) ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:59 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Check list updated Check list updatedHow about don't forget the parachute! And have fun! Chris Lucas #40072 wings wings wings ----- Original Message ----- From: John Jessen To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated What's the first flight equivalent of wishing an actor well on opening night? Instead of "break a leg" I guess, "bend a prop" ? Anyway, best of luck! John Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:01 PM To: Rv10-List (E-mail) Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op Limitations in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight. Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a lot. Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I have changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:29 PM PST US From: "DejaVu" Subject: RV10-List: FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System? I inventoried my FWF kit today and my Vetterman Exhaust System (IO540) does not look like what the intructions or Randy's pictures show. I have 2 separate heat shrouds each with a tail pipe at one end and a 3-to-1 at the other. Of course there are 2 flanges on the side of each shroud for in/out scat tubes. These shrouds appear to have been made to run longitudinally alongside the induction system. The intructions show one big shroud positioned laterally aft of the induction system with only one tail pipe. I haven't trial fitted them on the engine yet because without an achilles tendon on one leg does not allow me to do much. I also have taken a lot of pain killer which makes me woozie but I'm sure I don't have the right exhaust system. Anh #141 (Finish kit on standby) ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:55 PM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV10-List: rattle can primer --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill > Sherwin Williams 988 is very good stuff for a "rattle can". Special nozzle > that sprays very well. > If you go to any NAPA auto store, they carry Dupli-Color DAP 1690 > Self-Etching Primer for $5.95. It is great stuff and I use if for small > parts when I do not want to mix up the two part stuff. Thanks all for the advice on where to find the primer. I went to a local Sherwin Williams outlet store in Chapel Hill after work tonight, and was told they do not carry it at that location. I went to Autozone, and found the empty shelf with the label for the Dupli-Color 1690. I went to Walmart and found nothing... *grin* So, I ordered 4 cans of SW 988 from their web store. Should hopefully be here soon. Now I guess I have to learn the best technique for using a spray can - haven't used one in years. Pointy end of the can goes away from you - okay, got it! :-) Thanks again, -Dj ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:05 PM PST US From: "Mani Ravee" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated Randy, it is one of those moments in life. Just like the day we all solo'ed. Proud were we, eh? Not a thing in the mortal world could touch us. We were "pilots". We could take off, do the pattern and land. Oh, what a beautiful thing! Nothing else mattered. I have to leave @ 4AM to fly (commercial) to San Diego for our annual Chest Physician's Conference. I will be the only one presenting a paper from my Alma Mator: Indiana University/Purdue University. Will be away for a whole week. Trust me when I tell you this. I just returned from a combat zone after facing a LOT of action. Prepare for all. And leave nothing to chance. If chance were to happen, you are in control. I know you are there. Good luck to you, my friend. Part of my conscious mind will be with you. I am taking my laptop and will be following. Mani _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op Limitations in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight. Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a lot. Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I have changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated Thanks.. I think. Randy ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Jessen Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated What's the first flight equivalent of wishing an actor well on opening night? Instead of "break a leg" I guess, "bend a prop" ? Anyway, best of luck! John Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:01 PM To: Rv10-List (E-mail) Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated =09 =09 Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op Limitations in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight. Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a lot. Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I have changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments. Randy <> ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:27 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System? From: "Randy DeBauw" Anh, you got the Vetterman. I have the Aerospace something. Vetterman is what Doug Pederson has. I think 410RV has the Vetterman on it now. Randy ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of DejaVu Subject: RV10-List: FWF Kit - Wrong Exhaust System? I inventoried my FWF kit today and my Vetterman Exhaust System (IO540) does not look like what the intructions or Randy's pictures show. I have 2 separate heat shrouds each with a tail pipe at one end and a 3-to-1 at the other. Of course there are 2 flanges on the side of each shroud for in/out scat tubes. These shrouds appear to have been made to run longitudinally alongside the induction system. The intructions show one big shroud positioned laterally aft of the induction system with only one tail pipe. I haven't trial fitted them on the engine yet because without an achilles tendon on one leg does not allow me to do much. I also have taken a lot of pain killer which makes me woozie but I'm sure I don't have the right exhaust system. Anh #141 (Finish kit on standby) ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:04 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated Thank you for the kind words. I will be keeping everyone up to date. Randy ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mani Ravee Subject: RE: RV10-List: Check list updated Randy, it is one of those moments in life. Just like the day we all solo'ed. Proud were we, eh? Not a thing in the mortal world could touch us. We were "pilots". We could take off, do the pattern and land. Oh, what a beautiful thing! Nothing else mattered. I have to leave @ 4AM to fly (commercial) to San Diego for our annual Chest Physician's Conference. I will be the only one presenting a paper from my Alma Mator: Indiana University/Purdue University. Will be away for a whole week. Trust me when I tell you this. I just returned from a combat zone after facing a LOT of action. Prepare for all. And leave nothing to chance. If chance were to happen, you are in control. I know you are there. Good luck to you, my friend. Part of my conscious mind will be with you. I am taking my laptop and will be following. Mani ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Subject: RV10-List: Check list updated Well I now have a plane not a project. Airworthiness Certificate and Op Limitations in hand. Friday is still looking OK for first flight. Here is what my FAA inspector does with the injected Lycoming he flies a lot. Boost pump just before take-off. He turns it off during climb out. I have changed my checklist so show the same. I will fly the first few hours without leaning. Help in cooling during break-in. Thanks for all of the comments. Randy <>