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1. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Randy #006 - 2nd Flying RV-10 (James Hein)
2. 12:10 PM - Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself (Tim Olson)
3. 12:48 PM - Re: Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself (John Jessen)
4. 01:12 PM - Re: Randy's First Flight Story (Jim Combs)
5. 06:47 PM - Re: Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself ()
6. 07:20 PM - Randys 1st flight (brian bollaert)
7. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Randy #006 - 2nd Flying RV-10 (Randy DeBauw)
8. 07:44 PM - Re: Weather watch for first flight. (Randy DeBauw)
9. 07:47 PM - Re: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits + Conduit Photos (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Lloyd, Daniel R.)
10. 08:03 PM - hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (James Ochs)
11. 08:50 PM - Second part of the story. (Randy DeBauw)
12. 08:52 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (Randy DeBauw)
13. 09:07 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (James Ochs)
14. 09:11 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (Shawn Moon)
15. 09:22 PM - Re: Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself (Shawn Moon)
16. 09:22 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (Tim Olson)
17. 09:23 PM - Re: Second part of the story. (Tim Olson)
18. 09:29 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (Sean Blair)
19. 09:32 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (James Ochs)
20. 09:46 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (Sean Blair)
21. 09:51 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (Shawn Moon)
22. 09:53 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (Shawn Moon)
23. 09:58 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (Dan Checkoway)
24. 10:42 PM - Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? (James Ochs)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
When you have the video completed, I'd like to get a high quality copy
(mpeg-2). I can volunteer an FTP site I control for distributing the
video to others if needed.
Why do I want a high quality copy? To put on DVD to show friends,
family, coworkers, etc. Oh, and to inspire me when I get stuck!
Congrats Randy!
-Jim 40384... Just FINISHED the vertical stabilizer (26 hours)! Woohoo!
On to the rudder!
BBreckenridge@att.net wrote:
> <The absolute kick in the pants was asking Randy to pull up at VANS
> when he got back from his hour and a half run dodging the cells. Dick
> was coming out of the building to jump in the RV-9 and head home. He
> did a big U turn back into the building and out came the entire staff
> to give Randy and his family kudos they so richly deserve for
> completing the entire aircraft and making sure every single system
> worked.>
> NOW that's what I wanted to hear!! We were a relatively small group
> for such a big event (well, to us anyway!). He deserved the cheering
> and congrats. Heckofa nice guy. Ok, now I feel better - time to go
> see what's on my camera & video stuff.
>
> Bruce
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Randy had me post this for him. Here are the details of his first
flight!!
------
Well are you ready for the story? My day started about 4:30 am. I was
up now and can't sleep. I started for the airport at 5:50. When I got
there I made one last look over the plane to see if anything had been
missed. The plane looks ready. Tim James the owner/ builder of the
Glastar you can see in some of my photos had written down his
recommondations for the first flight. I read through them and wrote down
approach speeds and power setting for break-in on a sticky note and
placed it in on the panel. Tim had received speeds from Van and Ken
Kruger on Thursday and also called Norm at Premier Aircraft the(engine
builder) to confirm the power settings. Back to the day.
Tim showed up at 7:00 and after doing a little mixture adjusting on a
friends plane we pulled his Glastar out to go and "take a look". As we
were about to take off but we had to wait for Van to land on his way to
work in the RV9. We took a look around and the ceiling was 4000 ft or
so. We are a go for first flight.
We rolled N610RV out and I said the good-by's and received the good
lucks and got in and waited for Tim and Rob Hickman to get settled into
Rob's RV4. Rob offered to act as a chase plane on Thursday night so he
and Tim could check for oil leaks or other problems. What a great help
Rob was in the last day's before my flight and now the day of. He also
had the digital video camera that Tim will use during the flight. Yes we
have inflight video. You will see it soon. Back to the flight.
I sarted up and taxied out to the north end of Aurora airport and was
noticing very low temps on cyl #6. As I went throught the pre flight
checkliist and mag check the # 6 cyl was dead, no egt temp to speek of.
I decided we needed to check it out so back to the hanger we went.
We pulled the top cowl and did a leak down on # 6 cyl and all was well
with compression as expected. Our first thought was that the plugs were
oil fouled.. By this time it is 8:30 and the mechanics from the local
aviation shop come down to see what is happening. We tell them we think
it is oil fowled plugs and they confirmed they see that very often in
rebuilt engines. There advice is "get in it and go". "You can't burn
the excess oil off it until you get some load and heat buildup in the
cyl". By then we had got ahold of Norm and he confirmed that with the
preserative oils that were put into the cyl's for storage and new rings
that the I needed to "get in it and Go". So we pulled the lower cowl and
cleaned the plugs with brake cleaner and reinstalled them. By this time
the sky's have opended up and it is raining hard. We had time. We
cowled up the plane and waited. The rain only lasted an hour or so. Tim
went back up in the Glastar to see what was headed our way. Looked good.
We saddled up and started off.
To save ground running time I did most of my checks on the taxi. All
cyl looked good now, good EGT's. I stopped long enough to do a prop
check and we were off. I rolled the power in over a long period of time
just keep and ear and an eye on everything. The take-off roll was much
longer then normal and just what I wanted.
LIFT OFF. What a feeling! You cannot describe it.... 1 year and 8
months and it is the air painted and looking good.
I was a little late on retracting the flaps (a lot going through my
head). Flaps up and I climbed out at about 90 kts. Just a note here on
gauges. It dawned on me after the first flight that I never looked at
the Dynon for anything but pitch. I didn't even know if the airspeed
and altitude were working on the Dynon. I flew strickly by the steam
gauges because they were right where I expected them to be and they told
what I wanted to know. Interesting. Anyway back to the climb out. I
continued as far south of the runway as I wanted and headed on a
crosswind leg. First turn felt exactly like 410RV. I continued
clinbing turns until we made 4000 ft. and level off. High power setting
for break-in was 26 man pressure and 2400 rpm. for the first 3 hours.
We were not going to fly that long on the first flight. We few going to
play it by ear. After 10 minutes or so Rob was asking for temps and
pressures. I relayed them and he confirmed we were in the green. I will
say the ACS2500 kept telling me to check fuel flow. As it turned out I
hadn't set the flight fuel at the same reading as ground fuel. Rob knew
what was causing it and said we will program it on the ground. Back to
the flight.
The plane flies exactly like the factory plane. I would encourage
everyone to spend the money and fly some transition training in the 10.
I was much less apprehensive as soon as I made the first turn, I know
this feel, this response, no problem.
After about 30 min some more showers were headed our way. Rob suggested
we head down and wait them out. We had thunder showers all day high
winds just before and during then good weather in between. I didn't
want to make the first landing in high winds so down we went. I left in
the high power all the way to the upwind leg of the landing. Landing
was uneventful as you can see on the video's. I taxied up to the video
crew and shook some hands and got a kiss or two Then taxied to the
hanger were we pulled the top cowl again for a look. Dry clean and
ready to go but I was starving.
By this time it was 11:00 and I had to make some calls and calls and
calls. Rob had to get some work done and Bruce wanted to go back and
get the video on the net. We went to lunch and talked about things.
I am going back out to the hanger now to fly some more. I will write
about the second flight and anything new tonight. I have 3.12 hours on
the plane now so you can see that there is more to talk about.
Randy #006 N610RV
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| Subject: | Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Yezzzzzz!!!!!!!
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: RV10-List: Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Randy had me post this for him. Here are the details of his first flight!!
------
Well are you ready for the story? My day started about 4:30 am. I was up
now and can't sleep. I started for the airport at 5:50. When I got there I
made one last look over the plane to see if anything had been missed. The
plane looks ready. Tim James the owner/ builder of the Glastar you can see
in some of my photos had written down his recommondations for the first
flight. I read through them and wrote down approach speeds and power setting
for break-in on a sticky note and placed it in on the panel. Tim had
received speeds from Van and Ken Kruger on Thursday and also called Norm at
Premier Aircraft the(engine
builder) to confirm the power settings. Back to the day.
Tim showed up at 7:00 and after doing a little mixture adjusting on
a friends plane we pulled his Glastar out to go and "take a look". As we
were about to take off but we had to wait for Van to land on his way to work
in the RV9. We took a look around and the ceiling was 4000 ft or so. We
are a go for first flight.
We rolled N610RV out and I said the good-by's and received the good
lucks and got in and waited for Tim and Rob Hickman to get settled into
Rob's RV4. Rob offered to act as a chase plane on Thursday night so he and
Tim could check for oil leaks or other problems. What a great help Rob was
in the last day's before my flight and now the day of. He also had the
digital video camera that Tim will use during the flight. Yes we have
inflight video. You will see it soon. Back to the flight.
I sarted up and taxied out to the north end of Aurora airport and
was noticing very low temps on cyl #6. As I went throught the pre flight
checkliist and mag check the # 6 cyl was dead, no egt temp to speek of.
I decided we needed to check it out so back to the hanger we went.
We pulled the top cowl and did a leak down on # 6 cyl and all was
well with compression as expected. Our first thought was that the plugs were
oil fouled.. By this time it is 8:30 and the mechanics from the local
aviation shop come down to see what is happening. We tell them we think it
is oil fowled plugs and they confirmed they see that very often in rebuilt
engines. There advice is "get in it and go". "You can't burn the excess
oil off it until you get some load and heat buildup in the cyl". By then we
had got ahold of Norm and he confirmed that with the preserative oils that
were put into the cyl's for storage and new rings that the I needed to "get
in it and Go". So we pulled the lower cowl and cleaned the plugs with brake
cleaner and reinstalled them. By this time
the sky's have opended up and it is raining hard. We had time. We
cowled up the plane and waited. The rain only lasted an hour or so. Tim went
back up in the Glastar to see what was headed our way. Looked good.
We saddled up and started off.
To save ground running time I did most of my checks on the taxi.
All cyl looked good now, good EGT's. I stopped long enough to do a prop
check and we were off. I rolled the power in over a long period of time
just keep and ear and an eye on everything. The take-off roll was much
longer then normal and just what I wanted.
LIFT OFF. What a feeling! You cannot describe it.... 1 year and
8
months and it is the air painted and looking good.
I was a little late on retracting the flaps (a lot going through my
head). Flaps up and I climbed out at about 90 kts. Just a note here on
gauges. It dawned on me after the first flight that I never looked at the
Dynon for anything but pitch. I didn't even know if the airspeed and
altitude were working on the Dynon. I flew strickly by the steam gauges
because they were right where I expected them to be and they told what I
wanted to know. Interesting. Anyway back to the climb out. I continued as
far south of the runway as I wanted and headed on a crosswind leg. First
turn felt exactly like 410RV. I continued clinbing turns until we made 4000
ft. and level off. High power setting for break-in was 26 man pressure and
2400 rpm. for the first 3 hours.
We were not going to fly that long on the first flight. We few going to
play it by ear. After 10 minutes or so Rob was asking for temps and
pressures. I relayed them and he confirmed we were in the green. I will say
the ACS2500 kept telling me to check fuel flow. As it turned out I hadn't
set the flight fuel at the same reading as ground fuel. Rob knew what was
causing it and said we will program it on the ground. Back to the flight.
The plane flies exactly like the factory plane. I would encourage
everyone to spend the money and fly some transition training in the 10.
I was much less apprehensive as soon as I made the first turn, I know this
feel, this response, no problem.
After about 30 min some more showers were headed our way. Rob suggested we
head down and wait them out. We had thunder showers all day high winds just
before and during then good weather in between. I didn't want to make the
first landing in high winds so down we went. I left in the high power all
the way to the upwind leg of the landing. Landing was uneventful as you can
see on the video's. I taxied up to the video crew and shook some hands and
got a kiss or two Then taxied to the hanger were we pulled the top cowl
again for a look. Dry clean and ready to go but I was starving.
By this time it was 11:00 and I had to make some calls and calls and calls.
Rob had to get some work done and Bruce wanted to go back and get the video
on the net. We went to lunch and talked about things.
I am going back out to the hanger now to fly some more. I will write about
the second flight and anything new tonight. I have 3.12 hours on the plane
now so you can see that there is more to talk about.
Randy #006 N610RV
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| Subject: | Randy's First Flight Story |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Randy
Congratulations!
Looks like you have a great support staff as well!
Jim C
#40192 - Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Super job....I had butterflys just reading it. Congrats Randy, and thanks
for including all of us in your experience.
Rick S.
40185
Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Randy had me post this for him. Here are the details of his first
> flight!!
>
> ------
>
> Well are you ready for the story? My day started about 4:30 am. I was up
> now and can't sleep. I started for the airport at 5:50. When I got there I
> made one last look over the plane to see if anything had been missed. The
> plane looks ready. Tim James the owner/ builder of the Glastar you can
> see in some of my photos had written down his recommondations for the
> first flight. I read through them and wrote down approach speeds and power
> setting for break-in on a sticky note and placed it in on the panel. Tim
> had received speeds from Van and Ken Kruger on Thursday and also called
> Norm at Premier Aircraft the(engine builder) to confirm the power
> settings. Back to the day.
> Tim showed up at 7:00 and after doing a little mixture adjusting on a
> friends plane we pulled his Glastar out to go and "take a look". As we
> were about to take off but we had to wait for Van to land on his way to
> work in the RV9. We took a look around and the ceiling was 4000 ft or so.
> We are a go for first flight.
> We rolled N610RV out and I said the good-by's and received the good lucks
> and got in and waited for Tim and Rob Hickman to get settled into Rob's
> RV4. Rob offered to act as a chase plane on Thursday night so he and Tim
> could check for oil leaks or other problems. What a great help Rob was in
> the last day's before my flight and now the day of. He also had the
> digital video camera that Tim will use during the flight. Yes we have
> inflight video. You will see it soon. Back to the flight.
> I sarted up and taxied out to the north end of Aurora airport and was
> noticing very low temps on cyl #6. As I went throught the pre flight
> checkliist and mag check the # 6 cyl was dead, no egt temp to speek of. I
> decided we needed to check it out so back to the hanger we went.
> We pulled the top cowl and did a leak down on # 6 cyl and all was well
> with compression as expected. Our first thought was that the plugs were
> oil fouled.. By this time it is 8:30 and the mechanics from the local
> aviation shop come down to see what is happening. We tell them we think it
> is oil fowled plugs and they confirmed they see that very often in rebuilt
> engines. There advice is "get in it and go". "You can't burn the excess
> oil off it until you get some load and heat buildup in the cyl". By then
> we had got ahold of Norm and he confirmed that with the preserative oils
> that were put into the cyl's for storage and new rings that the I needed
> to "get in it and Go". So we pulled the lower cowl and cleaned the plugs
> with brake cleaner and reinstalled them. By this time the sky's have
> opended up and it is raining hard. We had time. We cowled up the plane
> and waited. The rain only lasted an hour or so. Tim went back up in the
> Glastar to see what was headed our way. Looked good. We saddled up and
> started off.
> To save ground running time I did most of my checks on the taxi. All cyl
> looked good now, good EGT's. I stopped long enough to do a prop check and
> we were off. I rolled the power in over a long period of time just keep
> and ear and an eye on everything. The take-off roll was much longer then
> normal and just what I wanted.
> LIFT OFF. What a feeling! You cannot describe it.... 1 year and 8
> months and it is the air painted and looking good.
> I was a little late on retracting the flaps (a lot going through my head).
> Flaps up and I climbed out at about 90 kts. Just a note here on gauges. It
> dawned on me after the first flight that I never looked at the Dynon for
> anything but pitch. I didn't even know if the airspeed and altitude were
> working on the Dynon. I flew strickly by the steam gauges because they
> were right where I expected them to be and they told what I wanted to
> know. Interesting. Anyway back to the climb out. I continued as far
> south of the runway as I wanted and headed on a crosswind leg. First turn
> felt exactly like 410RV. I continued clinbing turns until we made 4000
> ft. and level off. High power setting for break-in was 26 man pressure
> and 2400 rpm. for the first 3 hours. We were not going to fly that long on
> the first flight. We few going to play it by ear. After 10 minutes or so
> Rob was asking for temps and pressures. I relayed them and he confirmed
> we were in the green. I will say the ACS2500 kept telling me to check fuel
> flow. As it turned out I hadn't set the flight fuel at the same reading
> as ground fuel. Rob knew what was causing it and said we will program it
> on the ground. Back to the flight.
> The plane flies exactly like the factory plane. I would encourage
> everyone to spend the money and fly some transition training in the 10. I
> was much less apprehensive as soon as I made the first turn, I know this
> feel, this response, no problem.
> After about 30 min some more showers were headed our way. Rob suggested we
> head down and wait them out. We had thunder showers all day high winds
> just before and during then good weather in between. I didn't want to
> make the first landing in high winds so down we went. I left in the high
> power all the way to the upwind leg of the landing. Landing was
> uneventful as you can see on the video's. I taxied up to the video crew
> and shook some hands and got a kiss or two Then taxied to the hanger were
> we pulled the top cowl again for a look. Dry clean and ready to go but I
> was starving.
> By this time it was 11:00 and I had to make some calls and calls and
> calls. Rob had to get some work done and Bruce wanted to go back and get
> the video on the net. We went to lunch and talked about things.
>
> I am going back out to the hanger now to fly some more. I will write
> about the second flight and anything new tonight. I have 3.12 hours on
> the plane now so you can see that there is more to talk about.
>
> Randy #006 N610RV
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Randys 1st flight |
Congratulations Randy on the first flight of N610RV .
Can't wait for that day for us.
Brian Bollaert
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| Subject: | Re: Randy #006 - 2nd Flying RV-10 |
You bet! I will get copy's from everyone that took video and make it available.
Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of James Hein
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Randy #006 - 2nd Flying RV-10
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
When you have the video completed, I'd like to get a high quality copy
(mpeg-2). I can volunteer an FTP site I control for distributing the
video to others if needed.
Why do I want a high quality copy? To put on DVD to show friends,
family, coworkers, etc. Oh, and to inspire me when I get stuck!
Congrats Randy!
-Jim 40384... Just FINISHED the vertical stabilizer (26 hours)! Woohoo!
On to the rudder!
BBreckenridge@att.net wrote:
> <The absolute kick in the pants was asking Randy to pull up at VANS
> when he got back from his hour and a half run dodging the cells. Dick
> was coming out of the building to jump in the RV-9 and head home. He
> did a big U turn back into the building and out came the entire staff
> to give Randy and his family kudos they so richly deserve for
> completing the entire aircraft and making sure every single system
> worked.>
> NOW that's what I wanted to hear!! We were a relatively small group
> for such a big event (well, to us anyway!). He deserved the cheering
> and congrats. Heckofa nice guy. Ok, now I feel better - time to go
> see what's on my camera & video stuff.
>
> Bruce
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Weather watch for first flight. |
Never hear that one. I will first try the tripod method. After all this is an RV10
the smoothest airplane in the air. Well sort of. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weather watch for first flight.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)" <BSchroeder@uta.cog.ut.us>
Randy,
This might sound surprising, but you can put a beach ball in the
back seat and tie down the camera on top of it. If you tie it down
correctly, the beach ball is big enough, and it is pointed just right,
you should get some great shots that should be vibration free. It's
cheap and affective. Good luck.
Bob schroeder
Wings 40254
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Randy@abros.com
Clerk)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weather watch for first flight.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
If it is raining first thing in the morning as predicted then I may have
time. That would be cool. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weather watch for first flight.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Randy,
Any possibility of mounting a camera in the back seats looking over your
shoulder (middle of the cabin). Tape the 'First Flight' from inside
the cockpit?
I would suggest some sort of mount that can be seat belted in.
Connect the audio up to the intercom? Would be good documentation and
give the rest of us following your lead somehting to really drool over!
Jim Combs
#40192
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| Subject: | Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits + Conduit Photos |
The handle is the pointer in the factory setup. Randy
________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits + Conduit Photos
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Scotchbrite of the pointer, and use the handle to point to left or
right?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits +
Conduit Photos
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
But, Brian, That valve has the handle forward, but the pointer
end of the valve facing aft, doesn't it?? I think that's why
Randy had that comment....the pointy tip usually goes towards
the front, and at the 10 o'clock position is left, and the
2 o'clock is right......in yours, it's 8 o'clock left, and
4 o'clock right, isn't it?
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
brian bollaert wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
<bbollaert@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Randy :
>
> We put air pressur on the fuel valve to determine which valve was
which ,
> as in the pic left is left , right is right , i had the same concern
.
> I have a feeling you will be flying sat . weather is nasty !
>
> Brian B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:01 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits +
Conduit
> Photos
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>>
>>The only problem I see is that now the selector is backwards. When
>
> pointing to the left it will be the right tank. Randy
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:54 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits +
>>Conduit Photos
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>>I have now posted Brian's Fuel line photos so you can see them.
>>Brian, if something isn't right, just let me know.
>>
>>http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/BrianBollaert/fuel_lines/index.html
>>
>>At the same time, I updated my site to show the Inner Duct conduit
>>that I got yesterday. Last night I installed it and I think it's
>>going to be fantastic for running the wires to the tailcone.
>>Here are some photos:
>>
>>http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050517/index.html
>>
>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
>>>Brian,
>>>
>>>Were you able to post the pic? If so, where?
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Bob #40105
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
>>>bollaert
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:21 AM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
>>><bbollaert@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>Hello Bob:
>>>
>>>Absolutley it was !, after ruining 12 feet or so of 3/8 /tube ! the
more
>>>you
>>>bend it the weaker it gets & and it is really (for me anyway )
difficult
>>>to
>>>get those bends right , i will post a pic this afternoon .
>>>
>>>Brian Bollaert
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:45 AM
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
>>>
>>><bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>>>
>>>>I'd be interested in the different fuel line routing - was the
>>>>motivation simply to reduce the number of bends?
>>>>
>>>>Bob #40105
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian
>>>>bollaert
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:26 AM
>>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "brian bollaert"
>>>><bbollaert@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>>Morning Tim:
>>>>
>>>>Mine was exactly the same situation (except i had no nutplates that
>>>
>>>were
>>>
>>>
>>>>called out ) they are no fun putting in . Also check to see if you
>>>
>>>have
>>>
>>>
>>>>the
>>>>nutes boltes washers that are used to secure the brackets that hold
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>brake & fuel lines in place under the seats (i had none). as a side
>>>
>>>line
>>>
>>>
>>>>i
>>>>changed the routing of the fuel lines in the tunnel , i have one
more
>>>>connection under left & right seat however there was much less
>>>
>>>bending
>>>
>>>
>>>>of
>>>>the line to do it this way .if you are interested i can send you a
>>>
>>>pic.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tim i am probably going with duel cheltons , the 2.5 in airspeed etc
,
>>>>still
>>>>figuring out what i need in ariels & where to put them , there is
only
>>>
>>>1
>>>
>>>
>>>>conduit in the qb wing so i have to be careful how much i put in
.How
>>>>about
>>>>your panel ?
>>>>
>>>>Brian Bollaert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:01 PM
>>>>Subject: RV10-List: Minor Missing parts in QB Fuselage Kits
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>Here's one to check if you have the QB fuselage...
>>>>>Mine, by the way, was one of them shipped without front floor
>>>>
>>>>panels...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>some got them, some didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Under the most forward leg of each gear attach bracket (the huge
>>>>
>>>>things
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>under the 2 front seats), you drill and install 2 nutplates per
>>>
>>>side.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>K1000-3.
>>>>>
>>>>>Looking for them in inventory finds that Bag 1455 has a quantity of
>>>
>>>2.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I'm not sure if there are 2 required somewhere else, and I was
>>>
>>>missing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>4, or if they accidently just shorted me 2. It's also possible
that
>>>>>people who got their front floor panels didn't get shorted these
>>>>>nutplates.
>>>>>
>>>>>Either way though, it's a very minor part that you might want to
>>>>>verify you have enough of. I always hate finding these things
>>>>>out at the last minute.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tim
>>>>>--
>>>>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>>>>Current project: Fuselage
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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| Subject: | hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? |
Hi all,
I'm working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid rivet
in the last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the
bottom rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in the
plans to use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest bucking
bar won't get in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and forget
getting a squeezer in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind
rivet in there on both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
Thanks,
James
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| Subject: | Second part of the story. |
Well so there we were all full from lunch and these very black clouds coming from
the SW were heading our way. We pulled Tim's Glastar in the hanger with N610RV.
Then put Rob plane away in a RV9 friends hanger. We waited out the weather
trying to watch the in flight video on the big screen but were not set up
with cables to do it. Mean time the weather was clearing and it was time for
trip two.
We rolled out the plane and fired it up. The plan was to run at least 2 hours
at high power settings again. I headed out and climbed to 4000 ft. above the
airport again. Around and around and around, first left had turns then RH. All
the time I kept my eye on some more thunder showers heading to the airport.
Well I asked Tim about the wind and he said it was ok but that I should venture
out to and airport 8 miles or so east and orbit there some more. We are really
running good now and a little change of view was in order. Well after another
45 min. or so my home airport was reporting 16 kt winds and 3/4 mile visibility
and it was heading my way...
There was some clear area to the south well with in my 50 mile radius of the airport.
So I headed south over farm land with lots of areas to land if there was
a problem. I got a bump or two and tightened the belt to keep from hitting
my head but I had already gone through the worst of it and I was coming around
the back side of the cell. The runway was wet but light winds. I stayed up
another 15 min or so and came down. I was a little fast but it saved me a long
taxi down to the south end were Van's Factory is. Most of them knew I was
coming but Van didn't get the message. He was taxiing out in the 9 when he saw
me and did a u-turn and climbed out. As he came over he said "that looks like
an RV Grin." It looks nice he said in Van's usual thoughtful manner. I shook
his hand and thanked him for such a wonderful kit. Then several of the guy's
came out to look it over and see the Lancair Panel. They seemed to all like
the panel and console. They are always looking at how there kits are completed.
It started to rain again and that caused everyone to scatter and was my
queue to head for the barn. Total time on airframe 3.17 hours.
Day 2. Great day to do some more testing. I started with some fuel. This full
power thing is expensive. I used 100.00 worth of fuel yesterday and today may
be close to the same. I was at the fuel dock and here comes 410RV out on the
taxi way. It took off but I couldn't see who was flying. On Saturday it had
to be one of those Van guy's. About 5 min later it landed while I was taxing
out for take off. There we were 2 RV10's 1 factory 1 customer taking off 1
2. Now that is a first I guarantee. Well they came up along side of me and
Ken Scott, the famous Rob Hickman and Jeff the real Hickman RV10 builder was
in the back seat. The were getting some numbers for programming the RV10 ACS2500
engine monitor. I worked the engine over for 45 min or so and made my way
to Albany, Oregon airport. They have a convention center on the field and have
a fly in this weekend. I am set up on final and this is not a real long strip,
not short but not long. I felt I was too fast and felt a go-around was in
order. This is only my 3rd landing mind you. Well as it worked out it was very
timely. Scott Rison the GM of Van's was at the show with the RV9A and saw
my go-around. He thought it was just a take-off. Well he elbowed his wife and
told her " there is an RV10 and it isn't ours." Scotts wife was the one who
took my money for the kit at Oshkosh 2 year ago. Oh the go around. The second
attempt was good and I spent a some time talking to several people I know that
were at the show. After an hour and a half it was time to go. I fired it up
and headed for home. I was spending some time checking things out on the way
back and did some slow flight when it started to rain again. I decided the weather
surely will be better tomorrow and I can spend several hours in the air.
As it was looking the rain wasn't going to go away soon. So I made my 4th
landing in N610RV and they all have been very respectable so far and I hope to
keep it that way. Thanks to everyone for the kind words the last few hours.
What a ride. total time 5 hours. Randy
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| Subject: | hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? |
That is what you do James. In fact you have to pop one side in and then work the
other side in by squeezing it a little at a time. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of James Ochs
Subject: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
Hi all,
I'm working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid rivet in
the last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the bottom
rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in the plans to
use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest bucking bar won't
get in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and forget getting a squeezer
in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind rivet in there
on both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
Thanks,
James
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| Subject: | hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Hrm just to be clear you are saying to use a blind rivet on both sides?
Sorry, just want to be sure I have it right ;)
Thanks,
James
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Subject: RE: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
That is what you do James. In fact you have to pop one side in and then
work the other side in by squeezing it a little at a time. Randy
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of James Ochs
Subject: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
Hi all,
Im working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid rivet
in the last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the
bottom rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in the
plans to use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest bucking
bar wont get in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and forget
getting a squeezer in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind
rivet in there on both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
Thanks,
James
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| Subject: | Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? |
LOL!!! We are at the exact same spot and I just came in to ask the exact same
question. I figure that a no-hole yoke might do it, but unfortunately I don't
have one yet. Any ideas that doesn't involve a no-hole?
--Shawn
40366
James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> wrote:
Hi all,
Im working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid rivet in the
last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the bottom
rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in the plans to
use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest bucking bar wont get
in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and forget getting a squeezer
in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind rivet in there on
both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
Thanks,
James
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| Subject: | Re: Randy's First Flight Story - By Randy Himself |
Congrats Randy!!
--Shawn
40366
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
Randy had me post this for him. Here are the details of his first
flight!!
------
Well are you ready for the story? My day started about 4:30 am. I was
up now and can't sleep. I started for the airport at 5:50. When I got
there I made one last look over the plane to see if anything had been
missed. The plane looks ready. Tim James the owner/ builder of the
Glastar you can see in some of my photos had written down his
recommondations for the first flight. I read through them and wrote down
approach speeds and power setting for break-in on a sticky note and
placed it in on the panel. Tim had received speeds from Van and Ken
Kruger on Thursday and also called Norm at Premier Aircraft the(engine
builder) to confirm the power settings. Back to the day.
Tim showed up at 7:00 and after doing a little mixture adjusting on a
friends plane we pulled his Glastar out to go and "take a look". As we
were about to take off but we had to wait for Van to land on his way to
work in the RV9. We took a look around and the ceiling was 4000 ft or
so. We are a go for first flight.
We rolled N610RV out and I said the good-by's and received the good
lucks and got in and waited for Tim and Rob Hickman to get settled into
Rob's RV4. Rob offered to act as a chase plane on Thursday night so he
and Tim could check for oil leaks or other problems. What a great help
Rob was in the last day's before my flight and now the day of. He also
had the digital video camera that Tim will use during the flight. Yes we
have inflight video. You will see it soon. Back to the flight.
I sarted up and taxied out to the north end of Aurora airport and was
noticing very low temps on cyl #6. As I went throught the pre flight
checkliist and mag check the # 6 cyl was dead, no egt temp to speek of.
I decided we needed to check it out so back to the hanger we went.
We pulled the top cowl and did a leak down on # 6 cyl and all was well
with compression as expected. Our first thought was that the plugs were
oil fouled.. By this time it is 8:30 and the mechanics from the local
aviation shop come down to see what is happening. We tell them we think
it is oil fowled plugs and they confirmed they see that very often in
rebuilt engines. There advice is "get in it and go". "You can't burn
the excess oil off it until you get some load and heat buildup in the
cyl". By then we had got ahold of Norm and he confirmed that with the
preserative oils that were put into the cyl's for storage and new rings
that the I needed to "get in it and Go". So we pulled the lower cowl and
cleaned the plugs with brake cleaner and reinstalled them. By this time
the sky's have opended up and it is raining hard. We had time. We
cowled up the plane and waited. The rain only lasted an hour or so. Tim
went back up in the Glastar to see what was headed our way. Looked good.
We saddled up and started off.
To save ground running time I did most of my checks on the taxi. All
cyl looked good now, good EGT's. I stopped long enough to do a prop
check and we were off. I rolled the power in over a long period of time
just keep and ear and an eye on everything. The take-off roll was much
longer then normal and just what I wanted.
LIFT OFF. What a feeling! You cannot describe it.... 1 year and 8
months and it is the air painted and looking good.
I was a little late on retracting the flaps (a lot going through my
head). Flaps up and I climbed out at about 90 kts. Just a note here on
gauges. It dawned on me after the first flight that I never looked at
the Dynon for anything but pitch. I didn't even know if the airspeed
and altitude were working on the Dynon. I flew strickly by the steam
gauges because they were right where I expected them to be and they told
what I wanted to know. Interesting. Anyway back to the climb out. I
continued as far south of the runway as I wanted and headed on a
crosswind leg. First turn felt exactly like 410RV. I continued
clinbing turns until we made 4000 ft. and level off. High power setting
for break-in was 26 man pressure and 2400 rpm. for the first 3 hours.
We were not going to fly that long on the first flight. We few going to
play it by ear. After 10 minutes or so Rob was asking for temps and
pressures. I relayed them and he confirmed we were in the green. I will
say the ACS2500 kept telling me to check fuel flow. As it turned out I
hadn't set the flight fuel at the same reading as ground fuel. Rob knew
what was causing it and said we will program it on the ground. Back to
the flight.
The plane flies exactly like the factory plane. I would encourage
everyone to spend the money and fly some transition training in the 10.
I was much less apprehensive as soon as I made the first turn, I know
this feel, this response, no problem.
After about 30 min some more showers were headed our way. Rob suggested
we head down and wait them out. We had thunder showers all day high
winds just before and during then good weather in between. I didn't
want to make the first landing in high winds so down we went. I left in
the high power all the way to the upwind leg of the landing. Landing
was uneventful as you can see on the video's. I taxied up to the video
crew and shook some hands and got a kiss or two Then taxied to the
hanger were we pulled the top cowl again for a look. Dry clean and
ready to go but I was starving.
By this time it was 11:00 and I had to make some calls and calls and
calls. Rob had to get some work done and Bruce wanted to go back and
get the video on the net. We went to lunch and talked about things.
I am going back out to the hanger now to fly some more. I will write
about the second flight and anything new tonight. I have 3.12 hours on
the plane now so you can see that there is more to talk about.
Randy #006 N610RV
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| Subject: | Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yeah, that's what he's saying. You can use those blind rivets
in plenty of places when you find one that you know is gonna
cause you headaches.
Tim
James Ochs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hrm just to be clear you are saying to use a blind rivet on both sides?
>
> Sorry, just want to be sure I have it right ;)
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
> ________________________________________
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
>
> That is what you do James. In fact you have to pop one side in and then
> work the other side in by squeezing it a little at a time. Randy
>
> ________________________________________
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of James Ochs
> Sent: Sat 5/21/2005 8:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
> Hi all,
>
> Im working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid rivet
> in the last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the
> bottom rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in the
> plans to use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest bucking
> bar wont get in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and forget
> getting a squeezer in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind
> rivet in there on both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Second part of the story. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Keep her in the air, Randy!! 5 hours already, that's GREAT! You'll
have it flown off in a week if you try hard enough. I guess we
can pretty much guarantee that we'll have you at OSH this year!
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Current project: Fuselage
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> Well so there we were all full from lunch and these very black clouds
> coming from the SW were heading our way. We pulled Tim's Glastar in the
> hanger with N610RV. Then put Rob plane away in a RV9 friends hanger.
> We waited out the weather trying to watch the in flight video on the big
> screen but were not set up with cables to do it. Mean time the weather
> was clearing and it was time for trip two.
> We rolled out the plane and fired it up. The plan was to run at least 2
> hours at high power settings again. I headed out and climbed to
> 4000 ft. above the airport again. Around and around and around, first
> left had turns then RH. All the time I kept my eye on some more
> thunder showers heading to the airport. Well I asked Tim about the wind
> and he said it was ok but that I should venture out to and airport 8
> miles or so east and orbit there some more. We are really running good
> now and a little change of view was in order. Well after another 45
> min. or so my home airport was reporting 16 kt winds and 3/4 mile
> visibility and it was heading my way...
> There was some clear area to the south well with in my 50 mile radius of
> the airport. So I headed south over farm land with lots of areas to
> land if there was a problem. I got a bump or two and tightened the belt
> to keep from hitting my head but I had already gone through the worst of
> it and I was coming around the back side of the cell. The runway was
> wet but light winds. I stayed up another 15 min or so and came down. I
> was a little fast but it saved me a long taxi down to the south end were
> Van's Factory is. Most of them knew I was coming but Van didn't get the
> message. He was taxiing out in the 9 when he saw me and did a u-turn
> and climbed out. As he came over he said "that looks like an RV
> Grin." It looks nice he said in Van's usual thoughtful manner. I shook
> his hand and thanked him for such a wonderful kit. Then several of the
> guy's came out to look it over and see the Lancair Panel. They seemed
> to all like the panel and console. They are always looking at how there
> kits are completed. It started to rain again and that caused everyone
> to scatter and was my queue to head for the barn. Total time on
> airframe 3.17 hours.
>
>
> Day 2. Great day to do some more testing. I started with some fuel.
> This full power thing is expensive. I used 100.00 worth of fuel
> yesterday and today may be close to the same. I was at the fuel dock
> and here comes 410RV out on the taxi way. It took off but I couldn't
> see who was flying. On Saturday it had to be one of those Van guy's.
> About 5 min later it landed while I was taxing out for take off. There
> we were 2 RV10's 1 factory 1 customer taking off 1 2. Now that is a
> first I guarantee. Well they came up along side of me and Ken Scott,
> the famous Rob Hickman and Jeff the real Hickman RV10 builder was in the
> back seat. The were getting some numbers for programming the
> RV10 ACS2500 engine monitor. I worked the engine over for 45 min or so
> and made my way to Albany, Oregon airport. They have a convention center
> on the field and have a fly in this weekend. I am set up on final and
> this is not a real long strip, not short but not long. I felt I was too
> fast and felt a go-around was in order. This is only my 3rd landing
> mind you. Well as it worked out it was very timely. Scott Rison the
> GM of Van's was at the show with the RV9A and saw my go-around. He
> thought it was just a take-off. Well he elbowed his wife and told her "
> there is an RV10 and it isn't ours." Scotts wife was the one who took my
> money for the kit at Oshkosh 2 year ago. Oh the go around. The second
> attempt was good and I spent a some time talking to several people I
> know that were at the show. After an hour and a half it was time to
> go. I fired it up and headed for home. I was spending some time
> checking things out on the way back and did some slow flight when it
> started to rain again. I decided the weather surely will be better
> tomorrow and I can spend several hours in the air. As it was looking
> the rain wasn't going to go away soon. So I made my 4th landing in
> N610RV and they all have been very respectable so far and I hope to keep
> it that way. Thanks to everyone for the kind words the last few
> hours. What a ride. total time 5 hours. Randy
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If I remember correctly, you have to start to compress the rivet a little
then you will gain a little more space to finish it off. As Randy mentions,
you have to go through a process to get this rivet finished. I also read an
article about someone using the back rivet plate under that area of the
rudder and using a thin pry bar on top of the shop head. Hit the pry bar
with your gun near the rivet and it should do the trick.
Good luck,
Sean
#40225
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Moon
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
LOL!!! We are at the exact same spot and I just came in to ask the exact
same question. I figure that a no-hole yoke might do it, but unfortunately
I don't have one yet. Any ideas that doesn't involve a no-hole?
--Shawn
40366
James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> wrote:
Hi all,
I=12m working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid rivet
in the last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the
bottom rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in the
plans to use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest bucking
bar won=12t get in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and forget
getting a squeezer in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind
rivet in there on both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
Thanks,
James
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Cool, thanks guys ;)
Yey, I get to play with tank sealant tomorrow for the trailing edge :P
Thanks,
James
#40400
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yeah, that's what he's saying. You can use those blind rivets
in plenty of places when you find one that you know is gonna
cause you headaches.
Tim
James Ochs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hrm. just to be clear. you are saying to use a blind rivet on both sides?
>
> Sorry, just want to be sure I have it right ;)
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
> ________________________________________
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
>
> That is what you do James. In fact you have to pop one side in and then
> work the other side in by squeezing it a little at a time. Randy
>
> ________________________________________
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of James Ochs
> Sent: Sat 5/21/2005 8:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
> Hi all,
>
> I'm working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid
rivet
> in the last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the
> bottom rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in
the
> plans to use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest
bucking
> bar won't get in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and
forget
> getting a squeezer in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind
> rivet in there on both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Randy,
Now that the plane is flying, and the construction is all done, you might go
through withdrawal from not building anymore. Just an idea...I've got a
long way to go and would be happy to let you help!
All kidding aside, great job on your project and congratulations! It is a
real benefit to see all of this happen and we appreciate the extra effort of
sharing your experience with us.
Be safe,
Sean
#40225
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Thanks for the replys. I think I am going to go the pop rivet route.
--Shawn
40366
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If I remember correctly, you have to start to compress the rivet a little then
you will gain a little more space to finish it off. As Randy mentions, you have
to go through a process to get this rivet finished. I also read an article
about someone using the back rivet plate under that area of the rudder and using
a thin pry bar on top of the shop head. Hit the pry bar with your gun near
the rivet and it should do the trick.
Good luck,
Sean
#40225
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Moon
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
LOL!!! We are at the exact same spot and I just came in to ask the exact same
question. I figure that a no-hole yoke might do it, but unfortunately I don't
have one yet. Any ideas that doesn't involve a no-hole?
--Shawn
40366
James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> wrote:
Hi all,
Im working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid rivet in the
last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the bottom
rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in the plans to
use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest bucking bar wont get
in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and forget getting a squeezer
in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind rivet in there on
both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
Thanks,
James
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| Subject: | hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? |
I am soooo not looking forward to that, but I will also be doing that tomorrow.
--Shawn
40366
James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs"
Cool, thanks guys ;)
Yey, I get to play with tank sealant tomorrow for the trailing edge :P
Thanks,
James
#40400
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
Yeah, that's what he's saying. You can use those blind rivets
in plenty of places when you find one that you know is gonna
cause you headaches.
Tim
James Ochs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "James Ochs"
>
> Hrm. just to be clear. you are saying to use a blind rivet on both sides?
>
> Sorry, just want to be sure I have it right ;)
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
> ________________________________________
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
>
> That is what you do James. In fact you have to pop one side in and then
> work the other side in by squeezing it a little at a time. Randy
>
> ________________________________________
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of James Ochs
> Sent: Sat 5/21/2005 8:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
> Hi all,
>
> I'm working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid
rivet
> in the last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the
> bottom rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in
the
> plans to use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest
bucking
> bar won't get in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and
forget
> getting a squeezer in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind
> rivet in there on both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there? |
A chisel and a hammer. Old school, baby.
Put the chisel against the rivet shank, maybe shim it up a little, and whack on
it with the hammer. It'll make a shop head.
do not archive
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RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Moon
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
LOL!!! We are at the exact same spot and I just came in to ask the exact same
question. I figure that a no-hole yoke might do it, but unfortunately I don't
have one yet. Any ideas that doesn't involve a no-hole?
--Shawn
40366
James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid rivet
in the last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the bottom
rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in the plans
to use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest bucking bar won't
get in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and forget getting
a squeezer in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind rivet in there
on both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
Thanks,
James
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Now there's an idea ;) Worked like a charm. I used one of my mushroom sets
in the rivet gun on the chisel because I'm lazy that way ;) I bet I can get
a solid rivet in the other side that way too so that they are nice and
symmetrical (which one probably would never even know once it is painted!
Of course there was the fun bit where I picked up my tray of rivets, and
proceeded to toss them all over the shop because I didn't have a good grip.
Growl.
Thanks,
James
#40400
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
A chisel and a hammer. Old school, baby.
Put the chisel against the rivet shank, maybe shim it up a little, and whack
on it with the hammer. It'll make a shop head.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Moon <mailto:moons1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: hrm... how do you get a solid rivet in there?
LOL!!! We are at the exact same spot and I just came in to ask the exact
same question. I figure that a no-hole yoke might do it, but unfortunately
I don't have one yet. Any ideas that doesn't involve a no-hole?
--Shawn
40366
James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm working on the rudder and trying to figure out how to get a solid rivet
in the last hole (towards the trailing edge) on the right side skin on the
bottom rib (the one with the rudder control horn attached). It says in the
plans to use a blind rivet on the left side only. Even my thinnest bucking
bar won't get in there without pushing the rivet out of the hole, and forget
getting a squeezer in there. Is there any reason to not just pop a blind
rivet in there on both sides and appease my OCD desire for symmetry?
Thanks,
James
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