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1. 05:22 AM - Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: Gas Strut Bracket (Jesse Saint)
3. 05:40 AM - Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
4. 06:30 AM - Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS (Tim Olson)
5. 07:40 AM - RV-10 MT Propeller group buy (LessDragProd@AOL.COM)
6. 08:08 AM - Re: RV-10 MT Propeller group buy (Wayne Edgerton)
7. 09:38 AM - Re: RV-10 MT Propeller group buy (Jerry Grimmonpre)
8. 02:22 PM - Re: Gas Strut Bracket (Phil Hall)
9. 03:20 PM - Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS (Droopy Erickson)
10. 06:45 PM - Re: Gas Strut Bracket (DejaVu)
11. 07:00 PM - Re: Gas Strut Bracket (DejaVu)
12. 07:06 PM - Re: Gas Strut Bracket (DejaVu)
13. 08:22 PM - 4 Days Missing (BBreckenridge@att.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
Tim,
Thanks for sharing your research on the panel info. I've been doing research
also and it helps a lot to see what others have found out.
In reference to the Tru Trak autopilot. I talked in length to the people at
Tru Trak while at Sun-N-Fun about the Digiflight and Sorcerer. I don't
believe that the yaw damper feature would be necessary with a 10, nor did
they. And the yaw damper is an additional option on the Sorcerer. One plane
where the yaw damper is badly needed is the V Tailed Bonanza. When you set
in the back seat of one of those in wind it tends to sway back and forth and
you usually need a yaw damper or airsick bags for the back seats passengers,
one of the two :>}
I may not have understood correctly what the people from Tru Trak told me,
but as I understood Digiflight will not intercept the ILS and follow the
glideslope. GRT, I talked to them a bunch also, was adding the feature to
their unit to be able to capture the ILS information and control the
Digiflight and thus allow an ILS to be flown, but not necessarily legal. I
thought I understood that the Chelton isn't be able to do this. GRT I think
I understood was also going to add the ability to control altitude pre
select using the Digiflight
I'm also going with Chelton, I believe, and because of that am thinking of
the Sorcerer. The Sorcerer will also allow the altitude pre select feature.
Tim are you saying that the Chelton controls the Digiflight for ILS
approaches and altitude pre select? The people at Chelton I thought told me
there unit didn't do that? I really like the altitude pre select function.
It unloads a critical feature when you get into the really heavy IFR when
ascending or descending to assigned altitudes.
I have to be careful here your starting to convince me I need the 3rd
Chelton screen, scary :>} I also want to make it so the person riding right
seat can participate in the flight, such as my wife or my pilot friends.
This will allow them to not feel so isolated from the flight and also can be
a second pair of hands and eyes.
Wayne E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Droopy,
>
> I'll address these as best I can.
>
> GPS: You have my understanding down precisely. I'm not an expert in the
> TSO legality area, but from what I've been told, the equipment will be
> legal to fly GPS and other approaches....just not WAAS. I will do my
> best to find out the true, 100% answer, with something leagalese to
> back it up with next week when I can talk to Direct To Avionics. I'll
> try to pull some real sold info out of them so we can bury this topic.
>
> Autopilots. Yes, you have the theory right. The TruTrak is a great
> stand-alone way to still keep yourself alive, and when you couple
> the Digiflight with the Chelton (or GRT), you can then fly the ILS,
> because the Nav signal goes into the GRT/Chelton and then the
> GRT/Chelton runs the autopilot down the approach. If you don't
> get a GRT or Chelton though, you're right, you'll want the Sorcerer...
> which is why I initially went that route. I know at least one other
> list member was talked OUT of the sorcerer by TruTrak in favor of
> the DigiFlight for just this reason, so I have no reason to doubt it.
> I don't know what to say bout the yaw damper...never used one. Don't
> know how nice it would be...or necessary.
>
> EIS: I also think Rob has a fantastic EIS. Everything about it is
> spectacular. The only issue (right now) is that it doesn't integrate into
> the Chelton if you have it. I don't think you'd lose any EIS
> functionality by having the AFS2500....you would be losing out on
> some additional Chelton functionality though....(or GRT if you went
> that way). The thing is, that 3rd screen, if you put it over on
> the right side, isn't JUST an EIS anymore at that point. It's also
> a separate HSI, or Attitude display, or Map, or weather screen, or
> any of those cool things, for your co-pilot to use. I often fly
> with my Father, and we trade flying sometimes. I know I'll likely
> not let him fly left seat in my plane....too hard to trust someone
> else... :) but, having the 3rd screen will allow him to have all
> the info he wants. My wife is also very interested in obtaining
> some proficiency in running the maps and stuff. With this in mind,
> I view that 3rd screen as being NOT an EIS for quite a bit of time.
> I want an attitude, and Map or HSI up most of the time on the
> left 2 screens. The right one, well, that will depend on the
> situation.....in many cases it might just be an EIS.
>
> I feel I need to apologise to the list for taking up so much bandwidth
> on this panel topic...but I think there's a LOT of info out there that
> is just not known. And, I think people assume these panels are EXTREME
> in cost...so they try to piece together lots of things they want. Some
> of the hardest info to come by is good, accurate info on how things
> integrate. I've been making this panel my life until I get every
> concept pinned down...and I just want to pass along the things I'm
> finding out. Hopefully, we can all learn about EVERYONE's system, not
> just the Chelton or GRT. I'm not at all a BMA fan anymore, despite
> their beautiful Sport screen, but, as we move forward, they will
> improve their integration too...so hopefully we can keep some good info
> on true capabilities, and keep it current.
>
> From what I've learned recently though, as I HAD to dig the info up
> so I could pin down my choices and actually put money into things,
> there are really 2 very nice routes to go. The GRT, and the Chelton.
> Both will expand your capabilities immensely, and let you have
> functions and features not possible in many other combos....and they
> enhance the TruTrak as mentioned above...all while saving money.
> The Chelton just adds a pile of higher quality and more features on
> to the GRT. It's a system for either budget.
>
>
> Very soon, I'll just sit down and start adding to my panel page. I'll
> list known functionalities, with references if possible. That way there
> will be a good reference out there without me taking up your bandwidth.
> Maybe this weekend I'll get some time, but I'll need to get some
> answers yet next week.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
>
> Droopy Erickson wrote:
>> Tim,
>> Couple of questions about your panel and the ongoing discussions. First
>> off, beautiful panel, similiar in lines to where I'm headed (a couple
>> years after you...). GPS: You mentioned earlier (I'm to lazy to cut and
>> paste from the previous messages) that you couple legally fly enroute and
>> terminal approaches with the Chelton system, just not WAAS approaches.
>> To do that, you have to meet the TSO standards for enroute and terminal
>> GPS. Looking through the Chelton literature, it looks like a TSOd GPS
>> receiver was only an option on the Pro system. Is this what you're
>> getting, or do you know something I don't?
>> Autopilots: I love the Trutrack autopilots. I'm going with a Dynon as
>> my backup gauges vice the round dials (with an appropriate electrical
>> system to eliminate single point failures, etc). I feel the autopilot
>> gives me a third "backup" to at least get the plane top-side up. The
>> only reason I'm personnaly leaning towards the Sorcerer vice the
>> Digiflight is ILS capability. The Digiflight does not track ILS
>> approaches. My question, however, is whether you've been told the
>> Chelton will take the ILS signals, do it's thing to them, then drive the
>> Digiflight appropriately? (I guess the other reason for the Sorcerer
>> might be the Yaw damper. We'll have to ask Randy as things progress how
>> much, if any tail wag this thing has...)
>> EIS: I really want Rob's AFS2500. Not only do I thing the engine
>> display rocks, but I also really like the ability to put checklist pages
>> into it. Could you elaborate a little on what Chelton functionality we
>> lose if we go with a Chelton 2 screen (the two on the left side of your
>> panel) and a 2500 for the engine stuff?
>> Thanks for the great webpage and the wealth of great info you've
>> collected!!
>> John
>> #40208 Smelly fuel tanks
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Gas Strut Bracket |
I don't know what revision of the plans you have, but the piece you make to
help position the strut bracket on the door is supposed to be just under 8",
not just under 9". We just discovered that yesterday. If your plans say
8+", take off one inch.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Subject: RV10-List: Gas Strut Bracket
My gas strut bracket does not sit very nicely against the cabin top. The
instructions say that it should be positioned inboard/outboard for "best
fit". Well, my best fit would cause the strut attach point to be either too
high and too far outboard where the bracket at the other end would protrude
into the window about 1/4"; or it would be too low where a good portion of
the cabin top flange at the entry way would have to be trimmed. The latter
matches the drawings best.
Anyone had an easier fit than this?
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS |
Regarding a third screen so the right seat passenger has something to look at:
this plane is not that big! It shouldn't be a problem for a right-seater to
see any EFIS/MFD things in the center or even left side. Maybe sub-optimal for
IFR flying if they need look across, but how many right-seaters will be doing
that?
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Wayne Edgerton
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
Tim,
Thanks for sharing your research on the panel info. I've been doing research
also and it helps a lot to see what others have found out.
In reference to the Tru Trak autopilot. I talked in length to the people at
Tru Trak while at Sun-N-Fun about the Digiflight and Sorcerer. I don't
believe that the yaw damper feature would be necessary with a 10, nor did
they. And the yaw damper is an additional option on the Sorcerer. One plane
where the yaw damper is badly needed is the V Tailed Bonanza. When you set
in the back seat of one of those in wind it tends to sway back and forth and
you usually need a yaw damper or airsick bags for the back seats passengers,
one of the two :>}
I may not have understood correctly what the people from Tru Trak told me,
but as I understood Digiflight will not intercept the ILS and follow the
glideslope. GRT, I talked to them a bunch also, was adding the feature to
their unit to be able to capture the ILS information and control the
Digiflight and thus allow an ILS to be flown, but not necessarily legal. I
thought I understood that the Chelton isn't be able to do this. GRT I think
I understood was also going to add the ability to control altitude pre
select using the Digiflight
I'm also going with Chelton, I believe, and because of that am thinking of
the Sorcerer. The Sorcerer will also allow the altitude pre select feature.
Tim are you saying that the Chelton controls the Digiflight for ILS
approaches and altitude pre select? The people at Chelton I thought told me
there unit didn't do that? I really like the altitude pre select function.
It unloads a critical feature when you get into the really heavy IFR when
ascending or descending to assigned altitudes.
I have to be careful here your starting to convince me I need the 3rd
Chelton screen, scary :>} I also want to make it so the person riding right
seat can participate in the flight, such as my wife or my pilot friends.
This will allow them to not feel so isolated from the flight and also can be
a second pair of hands and eyes.
Wayne E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Droopy,
>
> I'll address these as best I can.
>
> GPS: You have my understanding down precisely. I'm not an expert in the
> TSO legality area, but from what I've been told, the equipment will be
> legal to fly GPS and other approaches....just not WAAS. I will do my
> best to find out the true, 100% answer, with something leagalese to
> back it up with next week when I can talk to Direct To Avionics. I'll
> try to pull some real sold info out of them so we can bury this topic.
>
> Autopilots. Yes, you have the theory right. The TruTrak is a great
> stand-alone way to still keep yourself alive, and when you couple
> the Digiflight with the Chelton (or GRT), you can then fly the ILS,
> because the Nav signal goes into the GRT/Chelton and then the
> GRT/Chelton runs the autopilot down the approach. If you don't
> get a GRT or Chelton though, you're right, you'll want the Sorcerer...
> which is why I initially went that route. I know at least one other
> list member was talked OUT of the sorcerer by TruTrak in favor of
> the DigiFlight for just this reason, so I have no reason to doubt it.
> I don't know what to say bout the yaw damper...never used one. Don't
> know how nice it would be...or necessary.
>
> EIS: I also think Rob has a fantastic EIS. Everything about it is
> spectacular. The only issue (right now) is that it doesn't integrate into
> the Chelton if you have it. I don't think you'd lose any EIS
> functionality by having the AFS2500....you would be losing out on
> some additional Chelton functionality though....(or GRT if you went
> that way). The thing is, that 3rd screen, if you put it over on
> the right side, isn't JUST an EIS anymore at that point. It's also
> a separate HSI, or Attitude display, or Map, or weather screen, or
> any of those cool things, for your co-pilot to use. I often fly
> with my Father, and we trade flying sometimes. I know I'll likely
> not let him fly left seat in my plane....too hard to trust someone
> else... :) but, having the 3rd screen will allow him to have all
> the info he wants. My wife is also very interested in obtaining
> some proficiency in running the maps and stuff. With this in mind,
> I view that 3rd screen as being NOT an EIS for quite a bit of time.
> I want an attitude, and Map or HSI up most of the time on the
> left 2 screens. The right one, well, that will depend on the
> situation.....in many cases it might just be an EIS.
>
> I feel I need to apologise to the list for taking up so much bandwidth
> on this panel topic...but I think there's a LOT of info out there that
> is just not known. And, I think people assume these panels are EXTREME
> in cost...so they try to piece together lots of things they want. Some
> of the hardest info to come by is good, accurate info on how things
> integrate. I've been making this panel my life until I get every
> concept pinned down...and I just want to pass along the things I'm
> finding out. Hopefully, we can all learn about EVERYONE's system, not
> just the Chelton or GRT. I'm not at all a BMA fan anymore, despite
> their beautiful Sport screen, but, as we move forward, they will
> improve their integration too...so hopefully we can keep some good info
> on true capabilities, and keep it current.
>
> From what I've learned recently though, as I HAD to dig the info up
> so I could pin down my choices and actually put money into things,
> there are really 2 very nice routes to go. The GRT, and the Chelton.
> Both will expand your capabilities immensely, and let you have
> functions and features not possible in many other combos....and they
> enhance the TruTrak as mentioned above...all while saving money.
> The Chelton just adds a pile of higher quality and more features on
> to the GRT. It's a system for either budget.
>
>
> Very soon, I'll just sit down and start adding to my panel page. I'll
> list known functionalities, with references if possible. That way there
> will be a good reference out there without me taking up your bandwidth.
> Maybe this weekend I'll get some time, but I'll need to get some
> answers yet next week.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
>
> Droopy Erickson wrote:
>> Tim,
>> Couple of questions about your panel and the ongoing discussions. First
>> off, beautiful panel, similiar in lines to where I'm headed (a couple
>> years after you...). GPS: You mentioned earlier (I'm to lazy to cut and
>> paste from the previous messages) that you couple legally fly enroute and
>> terminal approaches with the Chelton system, just not WAAS approaches.
>> To do that, you have to meet the TSO standards for enroute and terminal
>> GPS. Looking through the Chelton literature, it looks like a TSOd GPS
>> receiver was only an option on the Pro system. Is this what you're
>> getting, or do you know something I don't?
>> Autopilots: I love the Trutrack autopilots. I'm going with a Dynon as
>> my backup gauges vice the round dials (with an appropriate electrical
>> system to eliminate single point failures, etc). I feel the autopilot
>> gives me a third "backup" to at least get the plane top-side up. The
>> only reason I'm personnaly leaning towards the Sorcerer vice the
>> Digiflight is ILS capability. The Digiflight does not track ILS
>> approaches. My question, however, is whether you've been told the
>> Chelton will take the ILS signals, do it's thing to them, then drive the
>> Digiflight appropriately? (I guess the other reason for the Sorcerer
>> might be the Yaw damper. We'll have to ask Randy as things progress how
>> much, if any tail wag this thing has...)
>> EIS: I really want Rob's AFS2500. Not only do I thing the engine
>> display rocks, but I also really like the ability to put checklist pages
>> into it. Could you elaborate a little on what Chelton functionality we
>> lose if we go with a Chelton 2 screen (the two on the left side of your
>> panel) and a 2500 for the engine stuff?
>> Thanks for the great webpage and the wealth of great info you've
>> collected!!
>> John
>> #40208 Smelly fuel tanks
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wayne,
From the conflicting info we're getting, I'm thinking it best if I
verify these features...with comments from multiple sources, and ensure
that we have a 100% sure answer to them all. I'll do this after the
holiday and report back.
As for the Non-TSO issue regarding flying an approach with a chelton...
we're in experimentals, so perhaps many of the things that would be
true in a Cessna do not apply...but an airline pilot pal of mine came
over last night and asked me this.... "Do you need to use a TSO'd radio
to enter class B airspace?" Of course not...you could use a handheld
to go pretty much anywhere you wanted, right?. So, I will try to find
out how much TSO staus matters to our situation. I currently am
not highly knowledgeable about this, just passing on what vendors
are saying. I do seem to remember in the past though reading many
things about TSO status and that most of this stuff just doesn't apply
in the homebuilt arena. If so, how could those with Dynon's, GRT's,
BMA's, or most of the equipment use that equipment for IFR use? None
of that stuff has any certifications. Yeah, your Nav/Com does, but
if your primary instruments don't, then what good is that? At least
the Chelton Sport system is running the same software as a real-live
approved system that goes into certified aircraft...so if anything
has a chance of being aproved, that would be one. I'll find out
more though to cut down on the speculation.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
> Tim,
>
> Thanks for sharing your research on the panel info. I've been doing
> research also and it helps a lot to see what others have found out.
>
> In reference to the Tru Trak autopilot. I talked in length to the people
> at Tru Trak while at Sun-N-Fun about the Digiflight and Sorcerer. I
> don't believe that the yaw damper feature would be necessary with a 10,
> nor did they. And the yaw damper is an additional option on the
> Sorcerer. One plane where the yaw damper is badly needed is the V Tailed
> Bonanza. When you set in the back seat of one of those in wind it tends
> to sway back and forth and you usually need a yaw damper or airsick bags
> for the back seats passengers, one of the two :>}
>
> I may not have understood correctly what the people from Tru Trak told
> me, but as I understood Digiflight will not intercept the ILS and follow
> the glideslope. GRT, I talked to them a bunch also, was adding the
> feature to their unit to be able to capture the ILS information and
> control the Digiflight and thus allow an ILS to be flown, but not
> necessarily legal. I thought I understood that the Chelton isn't be able
> to do this. GRT I think I understood was also going to add the ability
> to control altitude pre select using the Digiflight
>
> I'm also going with Chelton, I believe, and because of that am thinking
> of the Sorcerer. The Sorcerer will also allow the altitude pre select
> feature. Tim are you saying that the Chelton controls the Digiflight for
> ILS approaches and altitude pre select? The people at Chelton I thought
> told me there unit didn't do that? I really like the altitude pre select
> function. It unloads a critical feature when you get into the really
> heavy IFR when ascending or descending to assigned altitudes.
>
> I have to be careful here your starting to convince me I need the 3rd
> Chelton screen, scary :>} I also want to make it so the person riding
> right seat can participate in the flight, such as my wife or my pilot
> friends. This will allow them to not feel so isolated from the flight
> and also can be a second pair of hands and eyes.
>
> Wayne E
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Droopy,
>>
>> I'll address these as best I can.
>>
>> GPS: You have my understanding down precisely. I'm not an expert in the
>> TSO legality area, but from what I've been told, the equipment will be
>> legal to fly GPS and other approaches....just not WAAS. I will do my
>> best to find out the true, 100% answer, with something leagalese to
>> back it up with next week when I can talk to Direct To Avionics. I'll
>> try to pull some real sold info out of them so we can bury this topic.
>>
>> Autopilots. Yes, you have the theory right. The TruTrak is a great
>> stand-alone way to still keep yourself alive, and when you couple
>> the Digiflight with the Chelton (or GRT), you can then fly the ILS,
>> because the Nav signal goes into the GRT/Chelton and then the
>> GRT/Chelton runs the autopilot down the approach. If you don't
>> get a GRT or Chelton though, you're right, you'll want the Sorcerer...
>> which is why I initially went that route. I know at least one other
>> list member was talked OUT of the sorcerer by TruTrak in favor of
>> the DigiFlight for just this reason, so I have no reason to doubt it.
>> I don't know what to say bout the yaw damper...never used one. Don't
>> know how nice it would be...or necessary.
>>
>> EIS: I also think Rob has a fantastic EIS. Everything about it is
>> spectacular. The only issue (right now) is that it doesn't integrate
>> into the Chelton if you have it. I don't think you'd lose any EIS
>> functionality by having the AFS2500....you would be losing out on
>> some additional Chelton functionality though....(or GRT if you went
>> that way). The thing is, that 3rd screen, if you put it over on
>> the right side, isn't JUST an EIS anymore at that point. It's also
>> a separate HSI, or Attitude display, or Map, or weather screen, or
>> any of those cool things, for your co-pilot to use. I often fly
>> with my Father, and we trade flying sometimes. I know I'll likely
>> not let him fly left seat in my plane....too hard to trust someone
>> else... :) but, having the 3rd screen will allow him to have all
>> the info he wants. My wife is also very interested in obtaining
>> some proficiency in running the maps and stuff. With this in mind,
>> I view that 3rd screen as being NOT an EIS for quite a bit of time.
>> I want an attitude, and Map or HSI up most of the time on the
>> left 2 screens. The right one, well, that will depend on the
>> situation.....in many cases it might just be an EIS.
>>
>> I feel I need to apologise to the list for taking up so much bandwidth
>> on this panel topic...but I think there's a LOT of info out there that
>> is just not known. And, I think people assume these panels are EXTREME
>> in cost...so they try to piece together lots of things they want. Some
>> of the hardest info to come by is good, accurate info on how things
>> integrate. I've been making this panel my life until I get every
>> concept pinned down...and I just want to pass along the things I'm
>> finding out. Hopefully, we can all learn about EVERYONE's system, not
>> just the Chelton or GRT. I'm not at all a BMA fan anymore, despite
>> their beautiful Sport screen, but, as we move forward, they will
>> improve their integration too...so hopefully we can keep some good info
>> on true capabilities, and keep it current.
>>
>> From what I've learned recently though, as I HAD to dig the info up
>> so I could pin down my choices and actually put money into things,
>> there are really 2 very nice routes to go. The GRT, and the Chelton.
>> Both will expand your capabilities immensely, and let you have
>> functions and features not possible in many other combos....and they
>> enhance the TruTrak as mentioned above...all while saving money.
>> The Chelton just adds a pile of higher quality and more features on
>> to the GRT. It's a system for either budget.
>>
>>
>> Very soon, I'll just sit down and start adding to my panel page. I'll
>> list known functionalities, with references if possible. That way there
>> will be a good reference out there without me taking up your bandwidth.
>> Maybe this weekend I'll get some time, but I'll need to get some
>> answers yet next week.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>
>>
>> Droopy Erickson wrote:
>>
>>> Tim,
>>> Couple of questions about your panel and the ongoing discussions.
>>> First off, beautiful panel, similiar in lines to where I'm headed (a
>>> couple years after you...). GPS: You mentioned earlier (I'm to lazy
>>> to cut and paste from the previous messages) that you couple legally
>>> fly enroute and terminal approaches with the Chelton system, just not
>>> WAAS approaches. To do that, you have to meet the TSO standards for
>>> enroute and terminal GPS. Looking through the Chelton literature, it
>>> looks like a TSOd GPS receiver was only an option on the Pro system.
>>> Is this what you're getting, or do you know something I don't?
>>> Autopilots: I love the Trutrack autopilots. I'm going with a Dynon
>>> as my backup gauges vice the round dials (with an appropriate
>>> electrical system to eliminate single point failures, etc). I feel
>>> the autopilot gives me a third "backup" to at least get the plane
>>> top-side up. The only reason I'm personnaly leaning towards the
>>> Sorcerer vice the Digiflight is ILS capability. The Digiflight does
>>> not track ILS approaches. My question, however, is whether you've
>>> been told the Chelton will take the ILS signals, do it's thing to
>>> them, then drive the Digiflight appropriately? (I guess the other
>>> reason for the Sorcerer might be the Yaw damper. We'll have to ask
>>> Randy as things progress how much, if any tail wag this thing has...)
>>> EIS: I really want Rob's AFS2500. Not only do I thing the engine
>>> display rocks, but I also really like the ability to put checklist
>>> pages into it. Could you elaborate a little on what Chelton
>>> functionality we lose if we go with a Chelton 2 screen (the two on
>>> the left side of your panel) and a 2500 for the engine stuff?
>>> Thanks for the great webpage and the wealth of great info you've
>>> collected!!
>>> John
>>> #40208 Smelly fuel tanks
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| Subject: | RV-10 MT Propeller group buy |
Hi All,
If you would like to be included in the present RV-10 MT Propeller group
buy, please let email me directly. _lessdragprod@aol.com_
(mailto:lessdragprod@aol.com)
This is for the 3 blade MTV-12-B/193-53 propeller and spinner assembly.
Delivery would be around mid-August.
Typically, the blades are painted dull gray with gloss white tips. The
spinner is painted white.
The most common delivery choice has been assembled to the closest
international airport.
If you are not ready to buy your MT Propeller at this time, I would
appreciate an estimate of when you feel you will be ready to buy, so I can plan
for
the next group buy. This will help the other propeller customers determine if
they can wait for the next group buy.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 MT Propeller group buy |
Hi Jim,
As I discussed with you on the phone I've had several things that has set back
my building. An accident with my hand that shut me down for 3 months and our daughter
who's in England sickness. I'm leaving for England on 6/3 for a minimum
stay of a month maybe longer. Based on our daughters condition I may spend quite
some time in England over the next 6 months.
That long story is to say I may not be ready for another 12 to 14 months. Once
I'm back to building I plan to spent 5 to 6 days a weeks working on it, but I'm
not an accomplished mechanic so I have to go forward with caution.
Wayne Edgerton
----- Original Message -----
From: LessDragProd@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller group buy
Hi All,
If you would like to be included in the present RV-10 MT Propeller group buy,
please let email me directly. lessdragprod@aol.com
This is for the 3 blade MTV-12-B/193-53 propeller and spinner assembly.
Delivery would be around mid-August.
Typically, the blades are painted dull gray with gloss white tips. The spinner
is painted white.
The most common delivery choice has been assembled to the closest international
airport.
If you are not ready to buy your MT Propeller at this time, I would appreciate
an estimate of when you feel you will be ready to buy, so I can plan for the
next group buy. This will help the other propeller customers determine if they
can wait for the next group buy.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 MT Propeller group buy |
Hi Jim ...
Would you ever consider sponsoring a group buy effort for Whirlwind composite three
blade for the Lyc 320/360 RV builders?
Thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre
RV7A shop building
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 MT Propeller group buy
Hi All,
If you would like to be included in the present RV-10 MT Propeller group buy,
please let email me directly. lessdragprod@aol.com
This is for the 3 blade MTV-12-B/193-53 propeller and spinner assembly.
Delivery would be around mid-August.
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Strut Bracket |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Hall <phil@asibuildings.com>
Anh,
Since you have the doors done can you (or anyone) set me straight on the outer
door shell dimensions in figure 1, page 45-02. I am totally confused (easy to
do). I would like to keep going and not have to wait till Tuesday.
Phil
40122
928-636-1492
At 12:48 AM 5/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
> My gas strut bracket does not sit very nicely against the cabin top. The
> instructions say that it should be positioned inboard/outboard for "best
> fit". Well, my best fit would cause the strut attach point to be either too
> high and too far outboard where the bracket at the other end would protrude
> into the window about 1/4" or it would be too low where a good portion of
> the cabin top flange at the entry way would have to be trimmed. The latter
> matches the drawings best.
>
> Anyone had an easier fit than this?
>
> Anh
> #141
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| Subject: | Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Droopy Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
OK, I decided instead of just asking everyone, I'd do my own research
and add to this forum... :) As far as TSO's. With an experimental
category aircraft, you are not required to install TSO'd equipment (with
some notable exceptions. A TSO'd transponder comes to mind). Afterall,
it is an "experimental" aircraft. However, to operate in certain phases
of flight, you are required to have TSO'd equipment. This is the case
for GPS enroute, terminal, and WAAS IFR operations. For advisory
guidance (read, not mandatory but you better be ready to defend yourself
if something bad happens) read AC 90-94. For mandatory guidance look in
chapter 1 of the AIM. Here's a link to the appropriate stuff.
http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap1/aim0101.html#1-1-19 Here's the
applicable quote for Non-WAAS GPS IFR operations that drives us to a
minimum of TSO C129a standards.
"1. Authorization to conduct any GPS operation under IFR requires that:
(a) GPS navigation equipment used must be approved in accordance with
the requirements specified in Technical Standard Order (TSO) TSO-C129,
or equivalent, and the installation must be done in accordance with
Advisory Circular AC 20-138, Airworthiness Approval of Global
Positioning System (GPS) Navigation Equipment for Use as a VFR and IFR
Supplemental Navigation System, or Advisory Circular
AC 20-130A, Airworthiness Approval of Navigation or Flight Management
Systems Integrating Multiple Navigation Sensors, or equivalent.
Equipment approved in accordance with
TSO-C115a does not meet the requirements of TSO-C129. Visual flight
rules (VFR) and hand-held GPS systems are not authorized for IFR
navigation, instrument approaches, or as a principal instrument flight
reference. During IFR operations they may be considered only an aid to
situational awareness.
(b) Aircraft using GPS navigation equipment under IFR must be equipped
with an approved and operational alternate means of navigation
appropriate to the flight. Active monitoring of alternative navigation
equipment is not required if the GPS receiver uses RAIM for integrity
monitoring. Active monitoring of an alternate means of navigation is
required when the RAIM capability of the GPS equipment is lost. "
For WAAS operations, look in
http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap1/aim0101.html#1-1-20 and here's the
appropriate quote driving us to TSO C145a (or TSO C146a for standalone
(handheld?) equipment) standards.
"c. General Requirements
1. WAAS avionics must be certified in accordance with Technical Standard
Order (TSO) TSO-C145A, Airborne Navigation Sensors Using the (GPS)
Augmented by the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS); or
TSO-146A, Stand-Alone Airborne Navigation Equipment Using the Global
Positioning System (GPS) Augmented by the Wide Area Augmentation System
(WAAS), and installed in accordance with Advisory Circular
(AC) 20-130A, Airworthiness Approval of Navigation or Flight Management
Systems Integrating Multiple Navigation Sensors, or AC 20-138A,
Airworthiness Approval of Global Positioning System (GPS) Navigation
Equipment for Use as a VFR and IFR Navigation System. "
Anyway, I would be very curious to find out if the Chelton system meets
TSO C129a or whether we need to have a IFR GPS to supplement it.
As far as autopilots being "certified" to fly approaches, etc. I can
find no regulatory material requiring any certification (even in
standard categories) for an autopilot to fly an approach until you get
into some of the special ILS CATs. Basically, you are the pilot flying
the approach and are responsible for ensure that whatever equipment you
are using to actuate the flight controls (stick, autopilot, etc) is
putting the aircraft where it needs to be in regards to the navigational
guidance for that approach.
Hope this actually helps instead of just muddying the waters more. I
just don't want to build a gorgeous panel and then find out that it's
not quite good enough. I don't the FAA will buy the argument that some
manufacturer "told me it was ok..." :)
Take care,
John
#40208 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wayne,
From the conflicting info we're getting, I'm thinking it best if I
verify these features...with comments from multiple sources, and ensure
that we have a 100% sure answer to them all. I'll do this after the
holiday and report back.
As for the Non-TSO issue regarding flying an approach with a chelton...
we're in experimentals, so perhaps many of the things that would be true
in a Cessna do not apply...but an airline pilot pal of mine came over
last night and asked me this.... "Do you need to use a TSO'd radio
to enter class B airspace?" Of course not...you could use a handheld
to go pretty much anywhere you wanted, right?. So, I will try to find
out how much TSO staus matters to our situation. I currently am
not highly knowledgeable about this, just passing on what vendors are
saying. I do seem to remember in the past though reading many things
about TSO status and that most of this stuff just doesn't apply in the
homebuilt arena. If so, how could those with Dynon's, GRT's, BMA's, or
most of the equipment use that equipment for IFR use? None of that
stuff has any certifications. Yeah, your Nav/Com does, but if your
primary instruments don't, then what good is that? At least the Chelton
Sport system is running the same software as a real-live approved system
that goes into certified aircraft...so if anything has a chance of being
aproved, that would be one. I'll find out more though to cut down on
the speculation.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Wayne Edgerton"
> --> <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>
> Tim,
>
> Thanks for sharing your research on the panel info. I've been doing
> research also and it helps a lot to see what others have found out.
>
> In reference to the Tru Trak autopilot. I talked in length to the
> people at Tru Trak while at Sun-N-Fun about the Digiflight and
> Sorcerer. I don't believe that the yaw damper feature would be
> necessary with a 10, nor did they. And the yaw damper is an additional
> option on the Sorcerer. One plane where the yaw damper is badly needed
> is the V Tailed Bonanza. When you set in the back seat of one of those
> in wind it tends to sway back and forth and you usually need a yaw
> damper or airsick bags for the back seats passengers, one of the two
> :>}
>
> I may not have understood correctly what the people from Tru Trak told
> me, but as I understood Digiflight will not intercept the ILS and
> follow the glideslope. GRT, I talked to them a bunch also, was adding
> the feature to their unit to be able to capture the ILS information
> and control the Digiflight and thus allow an ILS to be flown, but not
> necessarily legal. I thought I understood that the Chelton isn't be
> able to do this. GRT I think I understood was also going to add the
> ability to control altitude pre select using the Digiflight
>
> I'm also going with Chelton, I believe, and because of that am
> thinking of the Sorcerer. The Sorcerer will also allow the altitude
> pre select feature. Tim are you saying that the Chelton controls the
> Digiflight for ILS approaches and altitude pre select? The people at
> Chelton I thought told me there unit didn't do that? I really like the
> altitude pre select function. It unloads a critical feature when you
> get into the really heavy IFR when ascending or descending to assigned
altitudes.
>
> I have to be careful here your starting to convince me I need the 3rd
> Chelton screen, scary :>} I also want to make it so the person riding
> right seat can participate in the flight, such as my wife or my pilot
> friends. This will allow them to not feel so isolated from the flight
> and also can be a second pair of hands and eyes.
>
> Wayne E
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Panels, Autopilots, and GPS
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Droopy,
>>
>> I'll address these as best I can.
>>
>> GPS: You have my understanding down precisely. I'm not an expert in
>> the TSO legality area, but from what I've been told, the equipment
>> will be legal to fly GPS and other approaches....just not WAAS. I
>> will do my best to find out the true, 100% answer, with something
>> leagalese to back it up with next week when I can talk to Direct To
>> Avionics. I'll try to pull some real sold info out of them so we can
bury this topic.
>>
>> Autopilots. Yes, you have the theory right. The TruTrak is a great
>> stand-alone way to still keep yourself alive, and when you couple the
>> Digiflight with the Chelton (or GRT), you can then fly the ILS,
>> because the Nav signal goes into the GRT/Chelton and then the
>> GRT/Chelton runs the autopilot down the approach. If you don't
>> get a GRT or Chelton though, you're right, you'll want the
Sorcerer...
>> which is why I initially went that route. I know at least one other
>> list member was talked OUT of the sorcerer by TruTrak in favor of the
>> DigiFlight for just this reason, so I have no reason to doubt it.
>> I don't know what to say bout the yaw damper...never used one. Don't
>> know how nice it would be...or necessary.
>>
>> EIS: I also think Rob has a fantastic EIS. Everything about it is
>> spectacular. The only issue (right now) is that it doesn't integrate
>> into the Chelton if you have it. I don't think you'd lose any EIS
>> functionality by having the AFS2500....you would be losing out on
>> some additional Chelton functionality though....(or GRT if you went
>> that way). The thing is, that 3rd screen, if you put it over on
>> the right side, isn't JUST an EIS anymore at that point. It's also a
>> separate HSI, or Attitude display, or Map, or weather screen, or any
>> of those cool things, for your co-pilot to use. I often fly with my
>> Father, and we trade flying sometimes. I know I'll likely not let
>> him fly left seat in my plane....too hard to trust someone else... :)
>> but, having the 3rd screen will allow him to have all
>> the info he wants. My wife is also very interested in obtaining
>> some proficiency in running the maps and stuff. With this in mind, I
>> view that 3rd screen as being NOT an EIS for quite a bit of time.
>> I want an attitude, and Map or HSI up most of the time on the left 2
>> screens. The right one, well, that will depend on the
>> situation.....in many cases it might just be an EIS.
>>
>> I feel I need to apologise to the list for taking up so much
>> bandwidth on this panel topic...but I think there's a LOT of info out
>> there that is just not known. And, I think people assume these
>> panels are EXTREME in cost...so they try to piece together lots of
>> things they want. Some of the hardest info to come by is good,
>> accurate info on how things integrate. I've been making this panel
>> my life until I get every concept pinned down...and I just want to
>> pass along the things I'm finding out. Hopefully, we can all learn
>> about EVERYONE's system, not just the Chelton or GRT. I'm not at all
>> a BMA fan anymore, despite their beautiful Sport screen, but, as we
>> move forward, they will improve their integration too...so hopefully
>> we can keep some good info on true capabilities, and keep it current.
>>
>> From what I've learned recently though, as I HAD to dig the info up
>> so I could pin down my choices and actually put money into things,
>> there are really 2 very nice routes to go. The GRT, and the Chelton.
>> Both will expand your capabilities immensely, and let you have
>> functions and features not possible in many other combos....and they
>> enhance the TruTrak as mentioned above...all while saving money.
>> The Chelton just adds a pile of higher quality and more features on
>> to the GRT. It's a system for either budget.
>>
>>
>> Very soon, I'll just sit down and start adding to my panel page.
>> I'll list known functionalities, with references if possible. That
>> way there will be a good reference out there without me taking up
your bandwidth.
>> Maybe this weekend I'll get some time, but I'll need to get some
>> answers yet next week.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>>
>>
>> Droopy Erickson wrote:
>>
>>> Tim,
>>> Couple of questions about your panel and the ongoing discussions.
>>> First off, beautiful panel, similiar in lines to where I'm headed (a
>>> couple years after you...). GPS: You mentioned earlier (I'm to lazy
>>> to cut and paste from the previous messages) that you couple legally
>>> fly enroute and terminal approaches with the Chelton system, just
>>> not WAAS approaches. To do that, you have to meet the TSO standards
>>> for enroute and terminal GPS. Looking through the Chelton
>>> literature, it looks like a TSOd GPS receiver was only an option on
the Pro system.
>>> Is this what you're getting, or do you know something I don't?
>>> Autopilots: I love the Trutrack autopilots. I'm going with a
>>> Dynon as my backup gauges vice the round dials (with an appropriate
>>> electrical system to eliminate single point failures, etc). I feel
>>> the autopilot gives me a third "backup" to at least get the plane
>>> top-side up. The only reason I'm personnaly leaning towards the
>>> Sorcerer vice the Digiflight is ILS capability. The Digiflight does
>>> not track ILS approaches. My question, however, is whether you've
>>> been told the Chelton will take the ILS signals, do it's thing to
>>> them, then drive the Digiflight appropriately? (I guess the other
>>> reason for the Sorcerer might be the Yaw damper. We'll have to ask
>>> Randy as things progress how much, if any tail wag this thing
>>> has...)
>>> EIS: I really want Rob's AFS2500. Not only do I thing the engine
>>> display rocks, but I also really like the ability to put checklist
>>> pages into it. Could you elaborate a little on what Chelton
>>> functionality we lose if we go with a Chelton 2 screen (the two on
>>> the left side of your panel) and a 2500 for the engine stuff?
>>> Thanks for the great webpage and the wealth of great info you've
>>> collected!!
>>> John
>>> #40208 Smelly fuel tanks
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Strut Bracket |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@mail.ameritel.net>
Phil,
The perimeter of the window is roughly trimmed at 13/4" fromm edge of the
plexi. This is the further line that you draw from the edge of the plexi.
The inner/outer shells when bonded are held together (still in the window
area) by clecos. You place the clecos at 11/4" from the edge of the plexi,
or 1/2" from the first line drawn. When the shells are cured you final trim
all of the window area, including the first two lines drawn, except for 3/4"
left. This is the 3rd line drawn. The perimeter of the door itself is
trimmed using the scribe line but trust that line totally. Hope that helps.
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Hall" <phil@asibuildings.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas Strut Bracket
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Hall <phil@asibuildings.com>
>
> Anh,
>
> Since you have the doors done can you (or anyone) set me straight on the
outer
> door shell dimensions in figure 1, page 45-02. I am totally confused
(easy to
> do). I would like to keep going and not have to wait till Tuesday.
>
> Phil
> 40122
> 928-636-1492
>
> At 12:48 AM 5/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > My gas strut bracket does not sit very nicely against the cabin top.
The
> > instructions say that it should be positioned inboard/outboard for "best
> > fit". Well, my best fit would cause the strut attach point to be either
too
> > high and too far outboard where the bracket at the other end would
protrude
> > into the window about 1/4" or it would be too low where a good portion
of
> > the cabin top flange at the entry way would have to be trimmed. The
latter
> > matches the drawings best.
> >
> > Anyone had an easier fit than this?
> >
> > Anh
> > #141
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Strut Bracket |
Jesse,
I have downloaded the correct revision from Van's website. The problem was that
step 1 said to match-drill the holes to mount the bracket to the cabin top.
Step 2 said to make the 77/8" guide to position the other bracket on the door.
By then it was too late. On the second door I taped one bracket to the door
first, then used the guide to position the other bracket on the cabin top.
Worked out much better. Basically reversing steps 1 and 2. I also looked at
the video that I took of 410RV at SNF. It has a notch about 1/4" into the "gutter"
of the cabin top that the bracket sits in. I didn't notch mine initially
and sure enough my bracket stuck out 1/4" too far.
Anh
#141
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Gas Strut Bracket
I don't know what revision of the plans you have, but the piece you make to help
position the strut bracket on the door is supposed to be just under 8", not
just under 9". We just discovered that yesterday. If your plans say 8+", take
off one inch.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:49 AM
To: RV10
Subject: RV10-List: Gas Strut Bracket
My gas strut bracket does not sit very nicely against the cabin top. The instructions
say that it should be positioned inboard/outboard for "best fit". Well,
my best fit would cause the strut attach point to be either too high and
too far outboard where the bracket at the other end would protrude into the window
about 1/4"; or it would be too low where a good portion of the cabin top
flange at the entry way would have to be trimmed. The latter matches the drawings
best.
Anyone had an easier fit than this?
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Strut Bracket |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@mail.ameritel.net>
Sorry, too quick on the fingers. I meant don't trust the scribe line.Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "DejaVu" <wvu@mail.ameritel.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas Strut Bracket
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@mail.ameritel.net>
>
> Phil,
> The perimeter of the window is roughly trimmed at 13/4" fromm edge of the
> plexi. This is the further line that you draw from the edge of the plexi.
> The inner/outer shells when bonded are held together (still in the window
> area) by clecos. You place the clecos at 11/4" from the edge of the
plexi,
> or 1/2" from the first line drawn. When the shells are cured you final
trim
> all of the window area, including the first two lines drawn, except for
3/4"
> left. This is the 3rd line drawn. The perimeter of the door itself is
> trimmed using the scribe line but trust that line totally. Hope that
helps.
> Anh
> #141
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Hall" <phil@asibuildings.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas Strut Bracket
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Hall <phil@asibuildings.com>
> >
> > Anh,
> >
> > Since you have the doors done can you (or anyone) set me straight on the
> outer
> > door shell dimensions in figure 1, page 45-02. I am totally confused
> (easy to
> > do). I would like to keep going and not have to wait till Tuesday.
> >
> > Phil
> > 40122
> > 928-636-1492
> >
> > At 12:48 AM 5/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> > >
> > > My gas strut bracket does not sit very nicely against the cabin top.
> The
> > > instructions say that it should be positioned inboard/outboard for
"best
> > > fit". Well, my best fit would cause the strut attach point to be
either
> too
> > > high and too far outboard where the bracket at the other end would
> protrude
> > > into the window about 1/4" or it would be too low where a good
portion
> of
> > > the cabin top flange at the entry way would have to be trimmed. The
> latter
> > > matches the drawings best.
> > >
> > > Anyone had an easier fit than this?
> > >
> > > Anh
> > > #141
> >
> >
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--> RV10-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
Maybe it's just a glitch in my region of space warp, but we seem to be missing
May 18, 19, 20 & 21 in the archives. Ok, who's got 'em? Matt? Mr. Dralle?
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